Etinosa1234:


What are u saying

Even most igbos know all of them don’t originate from the same ancestor

Suddenly u are now denying ur hero

I just remembered


Isn’t there a place called onitsha ado ?

Etinosa1234:


What are u saying

Even most igbos know all of them don’t originate from the same ancestor

Suddenly u are now denying ur hero

I just remembered


Isn’t there a place called onitsha ado ?

macof:


Common sense should have also told you that since Oranmiyan was the first person known as Ọba in Benin, and the nobles of his kingdom Ife held the title "Oba" eg. Oba Idio, Oba Iwinrin, Oba Ejio etc before he was even born, this word must be a Yoruba word

macof:

LOL. Same way Oba ewuare, esigie, orogbua or whatever his name is are all fairytales
The story of your orogbua founding a coastal community in Lagos is a fairly tale

Just as no King of Benin was known as oba before ovonramwen

I should have known this is another Gregyboy account. One guy 4 accounts active on the same thread

Edeyoung:


So the Europeans who wrote about oroogbua saw fairytales too lol all yorubas have gone mad

Edeyoung:


So the Europeans who wrote about oroogbua saw fairytales too lol all yorubas have gone mad

bandit90002:

macof is a real embarrassment, I remember he used to claim he were a history student.
Which means he was either telling lies, either he was a very bad history student, either his professors are charlattans.
Anyway, the last person who should be seeking credentials in history is macof, he is a total fraud.

macof:

Provide one source that mentions ewuare, esigie, orogbua or any of your so called warrior Kings during their so called reign

Lmao everything European that wrote essentially you believe you have no history without Europeans
What a muck

Edeyoung:



And if you make provide it ,I bet you would pay me 10k since you believe they didn’t

Are you ready to pay it

I will drop my account details

Afonja

macof:

Provide one source that mentions ewuare, esigie, orogbua or any of your so called warrior Kings during their so called reign

Lmao everything European that wrote essentially you believe you have no history without Europeans
What a muck

macof:

Provide one source that mentions ewuare, esigie, orogbua or any of your so called warrior Kings during their so called reign

Lmao everything European that wrote essentially you believe you have no history without Europeans
What a muck

Edeyoung:



Very funny guy ,the European wrote points down which can guide us to the truth against the yorubas because if you use local intellect they will call it unfair

bandit90002:

wow, how can you be so illogical and casual with it ?
The people of the region didn't have a written language !
we are talking about eye-witness accounts here !
Our own eye-witnesses couldn't write ! The fact the litterate eye-witnesses were europeans is irrelevent. What matters is that they were eye-witnesses and that we are reading their accounts ! A real history student would know this.

macof:


Please don't give me this bullshit outcry

When I speak of traditions that Nupe, Yoruba and Edoid groups (not just Bini) have of Oranmiyan, you ask for European texts otherwise he doesn't exist

Listen anything with you from now should be supported with European texts
Your Ewuare, ozolua, eweka, Ewedo, etc are all myths

Therefore the current king of benin is ewuare I not ewuare II.. European texts don't mention ewuare I
Your entire oba dynasty didn't start with eweka but with ovonramwen
Unless you can provide texts that show ovonramwen succeeding his father who also held the title oba
You will provide European texts of Bini ever incorporating the delta-igbos, towns and cities in Ondo state into the so called Benin empire
Or where Europeans ever called Benin an empire

You have a lot of work cut out for you

@RedboneSmith, @TAO11 @Newton85, @scholes0

Edeyoung:



Very funny guy ,the European wrote points down which can guide us to the truth against the yorubas because if you use local intellect they will call it unfair

macof:
Listen anything with you from now should be supported with European texts
Your Ewuare, ozolua, eweka, Ewedo, etc are all myths

Therefore the current king of benin is ewuare I not ewuare II.. European texts don't mention ewuare I
Your entire oba dynasty didn't start with eweka but with ovonramwen
Unless you can provide texts that show ovonramwen succeeding his father who also held the title oba
You will provide European texts of Bini ever incorporating the delta-igbos, towns and cities in Ondo state into the so called Benin empire
Or where Europeans ever called Benin an empire

You have a lot of work cut out for you

TAO11:
Salves? You mean just as Aje from Ibadan ventured into Benin Kingdom and went on slave raiding for the Europeans?

Yes, this is according to the testimony from Benin Kingdom itself — not from the Yorubas.
——————
The sadder consequence of the event (which is a huge disgrace on you all) was that your slave daddies never seem to ever return home from slavery — They continued as slaves ad-infintum.

TAO11:
@bandit900003,
Yes you’re right Benin had bronzes that were taken from it against its as a punishment for Benin’s atrocities — these Bronzes are therefore scattered in Museum around the world generating income for the higher power. If you find any Ife bronze outside the shores of Nigeria, it is there because we willingly let go of it

Now, back to the subject: The indigenous Bini word which represents the English word “king” is not “oba”.

“Oba” by all indication is a loanword into the Benin lexicon from the Yoruba language.

This explains why it has a relatable and relevant literal meaning in the Yoruba language — “the overlord”.

Afam4eva, macof, RedboneSmith, gomojam

Edeyoung:
Samuel was banned the pE guy was banned too
And we are all Benin’s


Does this bann mean tao12 has been saying rubbish


Samuel post your screenshot of your banned


Peguy was banned for helping smuk drop the screenshot that mention the king of Benin as oba 1863 he was banned for dropping his evidence


Lol,yorubas can’t even get hold of their cowardice for a debate

macof:


The first Ọmọnọba or Oba of Benin referred to in a document with the word "oba" is Ovonramwen and only in retrospect as this was after he had been deposed. Documents I have only date to 1906
If he can provide a document from an earlier date showing any Ọmọnọba before ovonramwen called "ọba" it would be very impressive but I doubt such document exist.

samuk:
Below is what this Yoruba student of history claimed earlier in the thread. Hopefully he has saw the 1863 document that referenced Oba Adolo (Oba Ovonramwen's father).

samuk:
Below is what this Yoruba student of history claimed earlier in the thread. Hopefully he has saw the 1863 document that referenced Oba Adolo (Oba Ovonramwen's father).

Edeyoung:



You self you be winch, youre the man of the match in this thread bro

Even with their bannee

TAO12 is going to dig for more with her smelling pussy