jesusjnr2020:
John 1:1-3 (KJV)

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
The same was in the beginning with God.
All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.


That meeting in the beginning was a meeting of the highest order of heaven. It involved the Three in one Person.

The Father, the Word (which later became flesh in Jesus) and the Spirit.

The Word and Spirit belongs to the Father and They were both instrumental in the Work He did in the beginning. The Word came out of His Mouth, and the Spirit performed the Word.

So when God said let Us make man in our Own image, the "Us" referred to Word and the Spirit which He used to make the things He made in the beginning.

He also used "let Us" in the Instance of the tower of babel, where the one language of the world was divided. It involved the same Word and the Spirit which He used to make things in the beginning, hence after the same Word was made flesh, and was multiplied after His death, and the Spirit of God performed the Word that had multiplied, they were able to speak in the one language that was divided because of the tower of Babel when God used the term, "let Us" as He did in the beginning.

God doesn't consult with the angels concerning any plans He has, He just makes decisions and gives them instructions to carry out. The angels weren't involved in the making of things in the beginning so God couldn't have been talking to them but those involved which was His Word and His Spirit.

God bless.

this summarise every thing nothing to add.

divinemichael:
I ask this question, because of the teachings of certain sects and religious groups, such as Islam who claims Christ was just a prophet, the Jehovah witness who claim Christ is angel michael, and some other groups who try to discredit and deny the divinity and preexistence of Christ.

I presume God's statement (come lets make man in our own image) in the book of "Genesis" was directed to Christ and possibly the holy spirit which is a proof for the doctrine of trinity...

Anyway if there's a contrary probative opinion with cogent evidences, am ready to learn and be corrected.

Hehehehehehe. You really believe those idiotic stories in the Bible?

divinemichael:
I ask this question, because of the teachings of certain sects and religious groups, such as Islam who claims Christ was just a prophet, the Jehovah witness who claim Christ is angel michael, and some other groups who try to discredit and deny the divinity and preexistence of Christ.

Jehovah's witnesses are not among those who discredit or deny the preexistence of Jesus. Get your information right.

Yes, Jesus was present when this statement was made by God because the Bible refers to him as God's "master worker" and "through him other things were made"

No, this does not in any way support trinity or whatever because common sense should have told you that since Jesus and other spirit sons were existing before man was created, God was simply calling upon his son Jesus or speaking to the entire angelic sons when he said "come let us.." meaning he wasn't talking to himself. Infact this disproves trinity cos God wouldn't be talking to himself saying "come let us" since trinity teaches that Jesus is still God. THIS IS NOT A HARD GRAMMAR TO UNDERSTAND.

MrPRevailer:

Jesus is God

indeed

femi4:
While on Earth, He displayed both attributes of Man and God. He was both according to John 1:14

The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

I told you of the vision Stephen saw of God even in heaven now, where Jesus, a different entity, sat by God (not in God)
It was the fulfilment of the Bible where it said; Jehovah said to my Lord (kjv translated this rather confusingly by saying my LORD {in capitals} said to my Lord...), sit down at my right hand side untill I make your enemies your footstool.

Blabbermouth:

Okay.

You started with I presume... , then you went on to say ...is a proof...
How is your presumption a proof? Uhn?

God willing, we are all open to learn and be corrected.
Word and spirit of God, are they A distinct [I mean, independent] entity from God?
If not, then why is God calling a part of him to come together and make men?

This question needs to be attended to

This leads to the Trinitarian controversy

Jjuuddee:
]Bros, Genesis 1:27 "God created man in his own image,in the image of God He created him male and female" (Compare Matthew 19:4).

Bros, according to Genesis 1:27, quoted by Jesus Christ (Matthew 19:4), God is "He"/ His".

Bros , "He" (God) is how many spirits?
Is "His"/He" a reference to 3 (Triune)?

God, Yahweh "created the Universe THROUGH His Son" and "all the angels shouted for joy."

Yahweh created Man and the Universe THROUGH His Son, Jesus Christ in presence of heavenly angels.

"Let us make man" is a direct speech to all sons (angels) of God.
(Worthy of note: In the spirit realm, Jesus calls himself "Son", Paul calls him "Son" ,Rev 1:5-6. 3:5,12,21. Hebrew 1:1-2. Galatians 4:4)

Hebrews 1:1-2 and Job 38:4-7 throws away Trinitarian FRAUD of Genesis 1:26 into the dustbin.


I think you are wrong when you say God referred to "us"as his sons.we are told that only humans are the only creature that he made in his image and likeness.so I think he was referring to Jesus.

You find it hard to perceptively segregate the human-divine cojoined nature of Christ.

Some nigerians and their brainwashed religion......instead make una channel una energy toward something more productive......na that story book called bible matter una dey carry for head like gala......

enilove:



God was actually speaking to Jesus Christ.

Rubbish European version, who told them? Then why don’t the Jews believe in Yeshua if he was there at the genesis?

Janosky:
Bros, Genesis 1:27 "God created man in his own image,in the image of God He created him male and female" (Compare Matthew 19:4).

Bros, according to Genesis 1:27, quoted by Jesus Christ (Matthew 19:4), God is "He"/ His".

Bros , "He" (God) is how many spirits?
Is "His"/He" a reference to 3 (Triune)?

God, Yahweh "created the Universe THROUGH His Son" and "all the angels shouted for joy."

Yahweh created Man and the Universe THROUGH His Son, Jesus Christ in presence of heavenly angels.

"Let us make man" is a direct speech to all sons (angels) of God.
(Worthy of note: In the spirit realm, Jesus calls himself "Son", Paul calls him "Son" ,Rev 1:5-6. 3:5,12,21. Hebrew 1:1-2. Galatians 4:4)

Hebrews 1:1-2 and Job 38:4-7 throws away Trinitarian FRAUD of Genesis 1:26 into the dustbin.

I just read the whole of Hebrews 1 (NIV) and I think this thread should be closed.

freshboi88:


Where did proverbs 8 tell us Jesus was a chief worker?....

Proverbs 8:30..
But do well to read down from previous lines

Yoighaman:


I just read the whole of Hebrews 1 (NIV) and I think this thread should be closed.

Why? The Bible can be interpreted in many versions by whoever is purporting to comprehend, your assertion doesn’t make it fact.

divinemichael:
I ask this question, because of the teachings of certain sects and religious groups, such as Islam who claims Christ was just a prophet, the Jehovah witness who claim Christ is angel michael, and some other groups who try to discredit and deny the divinity and preexistence of Christ.

I presume God's statement (come lets make man in our own image) in the book of "Genesis" was directed to Christ and possibly the holy spirit which is a proof for the doctrine of trinity...

Anyway if there's a contrary probative opinion with cogent evidences, am ready to learn and be corrected.

Me!!

jmichael259:


Proverbs 8:30..
But do well to read down from previous lines

All these New Testament stories that were written at least 2 thousand years after the supposed event? Heavy manipulation occurred, they should produce the original parts of the Bible written in Hebrew for us to Judge, Let the Pope & Vatican not tell us anything.

If Jesus or the Word was God, then Jesus was not created he is eternal Just like the father.

Micah 5:2: “But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of you shall come forth to Me the One to be Ruler in Israel, whose goings forth are from of old, from everlasting.” Here we find a prophecy of Jesus Christ with the description that He has been from everlasting (literally, “from the days of eternity”).

thinkmoney:

You got that Bible verse completely right, but it goes beyond me many at times how you people manage to ignore even the Bible u quote.
The Bible made it clear that several people and angels even devil were referred to as gods. God means sombody Devine and/or powerful. The verse 9 of the Hebrew you quoted like John, mentioned 2 (not even 3) gods...it then however and rather gloriously said THEREFORE GOD, YOUR GOD AS ANOINTED (which means appointed/mandated/honor) YOU...
See the almighty God, the supreme, anoited this mighty god Jesus.
Like Jehovah God was a God to the mighty god Jesus, he is to us the one and only Almighty God. The absolute, the God we alone together with other lesser powerful beings (gods) including Jesus worship. No other God can be worshiped though there are countless others.
That's why Exodus said Jehovah YOUR GOD oh Israel is one Jehovah.

That same Hebrew chapter 1 clearly stated that Almighty GOD called none but Jesus Christ 'GOD'. My brother, on what basis should we argue further? Remember, it was written in quotes to buttress the fact that Almighty GOD is speaking.
We are not the author. We met the holy book and believe. So it is an undermine to our integrity to argue the obvious written and established facts.
Meanwhile, I acknowledge your contributions because it really shaped our learning and knowledge.

when it is said that Jesus is the first born of creation, it is used to show his preeminence or that he is over all creation.

Jiokejohn:

That same Hebrew chapter 1 clearly stated that Almighty GOD called none but Jesus Christ 'GOD'. My brother, on what basis should we argue further? Remember, it was written in quotes to buttress the fact that Almighty GOD is speaking.
We are not the author. We met the holy book and believe. So it is an undermine to our integrity to argue the obvious written and established facts.
Meanwhile, I acknowledge your contributions because it really shaped our learning and knowledge.

Which facts, Book written by Oyibos? Study to find yourself approved.

Janosky:


Job 38
Darby Translation
38 And Jehovah answered Job out of the whirlwind and said,

2 Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?

3 Gird up now thy loins like a man; and I will demand of thee, and inform thou me.

4 Where wast thou when I founded the earth? Declare, if thou hast understanding.

5 Who set the measures thereof—if thou knowest? or who stretched a line upon it?

6 Whereupon were the foundations thereof sunken? or who laid its corner-stone,

7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?


Job38:1,4-7, Bros who were there when Jehovah created the Universe ?

Who shouted for joy after creation?
Who were the "us" @ Genesis 1:26?
Sons of God, those spirits who shouted for joy.
Hebrews1:2 God created the Universe THROUGH His Son.

Amos 3:7 (Compare Genesis 1:26)
Surely the Lord Yahweh will do nothing, unless he reveals his secret to his servants the prophets.
Genesis 1:26, He , Yahweh revealed His plans to His Son. (Hebrews1:2)

Bros, cleanse yourself from that junk Pastorpreneurs have been spoon feeding you for ages

I still don't get your argument. so what you're saying is God created the word through Jesus Christ ? because I think that is saw thing

Janosky:


Job 38
Darby Translation
38 And Jehovah answered Job out of the whirlwind and said,

2 Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?

3 Gird up now thy loins like a man; and I will demand of thee, and inform thou me.

4 Where wast thou when I founded the earth? Declare, if thou hast understanding.

5 Who set the measures thereof—if thou knowest? or who stretched a line upon it?

6 Whereupon were the foundations thereof sunken? or who laid its corner-stone,

7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?


Job38:1,4-7, Bros who were there when Jehovah created the Universe ?

Who shouted for joy after creation?
Who were the "us" @ Genesis 1:26?
Sons of God, those spirits who shouted for joy.
Hebrews1:2 God created the Universe THROUGH His Son.

Amos 3:7 (Compare Genesis 1:26)
Surely the Lord Yahweh will do nothing, unless he reveals his secret to his servants the prophets.
Genesis 1:26, He , Yahweh revealed His plans to His Son. (Hebrews1:2)

Bros, cleanse yourself from that junk Pastorpreneurs have been spoon feeding you for ages

I still don't get your argument. so what you're saying is God created the word through Jesus Christ ? because I think that is same thing majority here are saying.

Did you read other parts of your Bible or just the one someone points to you to keep you in doctrinal chains?

NigeriaEngineer:


In the beginning the Word already existed. The Word was with God, and the Word was God. He existed in the beginning with God. God created everything through him, and nothing was created except through him.
John 1:1‭-‬3 NLT
https://bible.com/bible/116/jhn.1.1-3.NLT

Almighty God is without a beginning (Ps.90:2)

divinemichael:
I ask this question, because of the teachings of certain sects and religious groups, such as Islam who claims Christ was just a prophet, the Jehovah witness who claim Christ is angel michael, and some other groups who try to discredit and deny the divinity and preexistence of Christ.

[size=15pt] I presume [/size] God's statement (come lets make man in our own image) in the book of "Genesis" was directed to Christ and possibly the holy spirit which is a proof for the doctrine of trinity...

Anyway if there's a contrary probative opinion with cogent evidences, am ready to learn and be corrected.

I ask this question, because of the teachings of certain sects and religious groups, such as Islam who claims Christ was just a prophet,

No body can tell you more about yourselves. Muslims are ignorant of the bible same way Christians are ignorant of the quaran. So Islam practitioners cannot tell you more about your God.

[size=15pt] I presume [/size] God's statement (come lets make man in our own image) in the book of "Genesis" was directed to Christ and possibly the holy spirit which is a proof for the doctrine of trinity...

Why are you Presuming when the Bible is there at your disposal for learning ?. Lets see what 2 Timothy 3:16 says about the word of God (The Bible):

2 Timothy 3:16
All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness,

[size=15pt] Now to the main question; Who Was God Referring To, When He Said Come Let's Make Man In Our Own Image? [/size]

I will keep explanation short because of my current schedule, but if you need further clarification you can quote me or send me PM

First, the bible did not say it was Jesus and the only spirit...that's just what you presume.

Lets quickly take a look at the scriptures this question is about in Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:26

Genesis 1:1
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

Genesis 1:26
Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals,[a] and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”


NOW, this beginning the bible talks about is the beginning of Earth, Heaven and [/b] Earth Inhabitants (read Genesis 1:2-26) [/b]. So it is not the beginning of God and other spirit beings. The passage was more about how we (Humans) came to be in this world.

[size=15pt] So who are this "us" God was talking to ? [/size]

God was talking to other Spirit Beings who were also at beginning . Lets look at Jesus conversation with the Jews in John 8:44
John 8:44
You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Here Jesus confirmed that even the devil himself was at the beginning. This does not mean that he was part of the "us" the bible talked about but proved that there were spirit beings at the beginning.

Jesus himself was in the beginning with God. John 1:1-3 . There are more scriptures that gave hints to this..you can look at the bible book of ISIAH which talk about the Messiah (Jesus) even before he was born.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE TIME FOR NOW. YOUR QUESTIONS REGARDING THE BIBLE ARE ALWAYS WELCOME

SeriouslySense:
when it is said that Jesus is the first born of creation, it is used to show his preeminence or that he is over all creation.

All these New Testament stories written by Godless Romans?

AustineJohn908:
I still don't get your argument. so what you're saying is God created the word through Jesus Christ ? because I think that is same thing majority here are saying.

Statements like this is what makes muslims claim Christians don’t understand what they are practicing, just following the Godless European version of a so called divinity that cannot be proven. Yeshua a man born of a woman created the universe that was in existence millions of years before him, & millions of years after? The Bible tells us that God is not a Man.

korede2016:
I concur. Jesus is the word of God that became flesh so relatively.. Jesus is the same thing as God.. It's just God manifesting himself in different forms.

God did not manifest himself to be his son and neither is Jesus the same with his father and God because Jesus was CREATED. Col.1:15,16; Rev 3:14

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1101989304
Click link �to read more

USE YOUR BIBLE AND HISTORY TEXTS TO CROSS CHECK. DON'T BE HELLBENT ON DEFENDING WHAT YOUR CHURCH HAS BEEN TEACHING. YOUR DENOMINATION IS NOT YOUR SALVATION.

Gabbriell:


No body can tell you more about yourselves. Muslims are ignorant of the bible same way Christians are ignorant of the quaran. So Islam practitioners cannot tell you more about your God.

[size=15pt] I presume [/size] God's statement (come lets make man in our own image) in the book of "Genesis" was directed to Christ and possibly the holy spirit which is a proof for the doctrine of trinity...

Why are you Presuming when the Bible is there at your disposal for learning ?. Lets see what 2 Timothy 3:16 says about the word of God (The Bible):

2 Timothy 3:16
All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness,

[size=15pt] Now to the main question; Who Was God Referring To, When He Said Come Let's Make Man In Our Own Image? [/size]

I will keep explanation short because of my current schedule, but if you need further clarification you can quote me or send me PM

First, the bible did not say it was Jesus and the only spirit...that's just what you presume.

Lets quickly take a look at the scriptures this question is about in Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:26

Genesis 1:1
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

Genesis 1:26
Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals,[a] and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”


NOW, this beginning the bible talks about is the beginning of Earth, Heaven and [/b] Earth Inhabitants (read Genesis 1:2-26) [/b]. So it is not the beginning of God and other spirit beings. The passage was more about how we (Humans) came to be in this world.

[size=15pt] So who are this "us" God was talking to ? [/size]

God was talking to other Spirit Beings who were also at beginning . Lets look at Jesus conversation with the Jews in John 8:44
John 8:44
You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Here Jesus confirmed that even the devil himself was at the beginning. This does not mean that he was part of the "us" the bible talked about but proved that there were spirit beings at the beginning.

Jesus himself was in the beginning with God. John 1:1-3 . There are more scriptures that gave hints to this..you can look at the bible book of ISIAH which talk about the Messiah (Jesus) even before he was born.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE TIME FOR NOW. YOUR QUESTIONS REGARDING THE BIBLE ARE ALWAYS WELCOME

All I hearsay, so Jesus Christ came before Papa Abraham? Where was Jesus mentioned in Isaiah? It is an assumption, they might as well have been talking of Elijah?

blacknp:
All these New Testament stories that were written at least 2 thousand years after the supposed event? Heavy manipulation occurred, they should produce the original parts of the Bible written in Hebrew for us to Judge, Let the Pope & Vatican not tell us anything.

New testament? 2000 years after what? Go back to your history or archeology classes. Btw that's off topic.

Janosky:


Job 38:4-7, Yahweh spoke to Job, says your claim GIBBERISH.

Yahweh created the Universe THROUGH His Son Jesus Christ, in the presence of angels.

Genesis 1:26 , Yahweh spoke to His Son, Jesus.
Not to man made dogheads.
When you listen to Junk too often, when Bible speaks, you reject the truth

Dis una matter sef..........


God Said Come Lets make man in our own Image...

He was speaking to Jesus Christ...But the Angels were also there even Lucciffer......

Na wetin para Lufficer be dat say God no talk to him directly but instead HE talked to Jesus...