Poch:
Sorry to intrude, but this argument is a no-brainer and uncalled for.

This is one of those rare situations where you are both right!

It is tougher to earn and save in the UK for low income earners...whose equivalent would thrive extremely well in Nigeria...no doubt.
However, there are socio-economic and security perks that could also influence a choice of abode.

It finally boils down to individual situations and choices...and will be very wrong to try impose your personal situations/experiences as a standard that must be seen as right/true and followed.

Truly, you are both right... but should also try be discerning and empathize regarding other people's opinions.
There is no standard to this thing!

My 2 cents.

TheGuyFromHR:


I disagree.
Low-income earners are worse off in Nigeria and cannot in any way be said to "thrive" there.
At least here they can - if they manage it - get Universal Credit, 400 quid a month is basically a drop in the bucket in most cases, but its better than nothing. There is a social security net, however threadbare it might seem in comparison to what obtains in most of western Europe.

And they have the solace of being able to fall back on govt-funded healthcare and 12 years of [variable quality] education, whether they have paid into the system or not.

The average person living on a minimum wage or less in Nigeria gets nothing from the government and we know what the quality of government funded healthcare and education is across much of Nigeria, with variations.

Mamatukwas:


Mogbe!! So even signed service is not enough deterrent! Tufia! Shame won’t even allow me say all the money I’ve lost with them. These days I’m super careful sending anything with Royal Mail. Their own staff told me they have very high turnover. People come, work for 3 months, steal and go.

chrisj2:


I am sorry to bust this bubble about Royal Mail Signed for item: you post them at the post office, yes; they have a tracking number and are trackable... However, it is treated just like any other first class item except for the signature obtained when delivered.

So if your item goes missing after posting, there is no way of tracking it to anywhere or knowing where it is.

Royal Mail carry millions of items and it is natural that things will go missing for whatever reasons but you will find it is just a small percentage.

Never send item of value including your certificate, money, jewellery and so on by Signed For; it has to be sent by Special Delivery where it is trackable at every point of stop and compensation is much higher.

I am surprised that Justwise of all people will send a phone even if it secondhand iPhone by Signed For; he should have known better.
There is maximum compensation for Signed For item (maybe £50+). There is also a maximum for Special Delivery Item close to £2500 or so.

The Court action will not change the rules because the customer should know the rules before using the service. Pity!

Poch:
I thought it's been reduced to 10 days...
Hopefully this entire phase passes over quick.
Its really tiring...

Teepp10:
Good morning.
I'm getting confusing information online. Please are those on tier 2 visa allowed to have limited companies? Will it affect ILR application?

Teepp10:


Please any response on this

Poch:
Sorry to intrude, but this argument is a no-brainer and uncalled for.

This is one of those rare situations where you are both right!

It is tougher to earn and save in the UK for low income earners...whose equivalent would thrive extremely well in Nigeria...no doubt.
However, there are socio-economic and security perks that could also influence a choice of abode.

It finally boils down to individual situations and choices...and will be very wrong to try impose your personal situations/experiences as a standard that must be seen as right/true and followed.

Truly, you are both right... but should also try be discerning and empathize regarding other people's opinions.
There is no standard to this thing!

My 2 cents.

Bourne007:
A Tier 2 migrant can be self employed. As long as you run the business for no more than 20 hours per week and outside of your sponsored working hours. The role must be the similar to your sponsor unless the role is on the shortage occupation list.

icon8:


The bolded is not necessarily true though. Is it?

Teepp10:
Good morning.
I'm getting confusing information online. Please are those on tier 2 visa allowed to have limited companies? Will it affect ILR application?

Poch:
Hehehe... Ok let me explain what that statement infers:

Imagine someone earning £15k per annum here in the UK.
Thats less than £1k monthly... Or let's say £1k monthly. Yea?

The term equivalent in my statement 'losely' refers to someone earning an equivalent of £1k in naira.
So say, a 500k - 600k monthly earner in Nigeria...

The Nigerian earner can afford to save more, probably live more comfortably and even have enough to delve into business/income diversification options...more than his equivalent counterpart earning £1k monthly in the UK... That £1k fit no reach to pay house and council bills sef...

I know my analogy is kinda lose...and doesn't take into consideration many economic indices, yea...but vaguely speaking, the statement holds some water... Hopefully you get the point.

Aprokodaughter:



Hmmm...this is a new for me. I thought was only those on startup visa that can work.

Thought it was the other way round.

Aprokodaughter:



Hmmm...this is a new for me. I thought was only those on startup visa that can work.

Thought it was the other way round.

wallg123:
Good morning everyone of my NL family. ...I really appreciate you kind words and well wishes and I also hope for the best ...... Thank you

LagosismyHome:


A low income in UK would be like less that minimum wage so let say 15k pound .... to compare that with naija you have to use naija minimum wage which is 30k naira per month

Can a family of 4 survive with 30k naira a month in naija ? Not to talk of thrive ...

wallg123:
Would things ever get back to normal ?... I’m really feeling sad..... can’t even hug my daughter properly or kiss her goodnight as usual or even allow her give her baby brother kisses and cuddles, just because she came into contact with a child that’s tested positive for COVID-19 in her nursery school .....

I feel like I’m about having a mental breakdown but can’t allow my wife see me like this ....

If to say I dey smoke I for done go find better Egbo smoke

Poch:
Hehehe... Ok let me explain what that statement infers:

Imagine someone earning £15k per annum here in the UK.
Thats less than £1k monthly... Or let's say £1k monthly. Yea?

The term equivalent in my statement 'losely' refers to someone earning an equivalent of £1k in naira.
So say, a 500k - 600k monthly earner in Nigeria...

The Nigerian earner can afford to save more, probably live more comfortably and even have enough to delve into business/income diversification options...more than his equivalent counterpart earning £1k monthly in the UK... That £1k fit no reach to pay house and council bills sef...

I know my analogy is kinda lose...and doesn't take into consideration many economic indices, yea...but vaguely speaking, the statement holds some water... Hopefully you get the point.

LagosismyHome:


A low income in UK would be like less that minimum wage so let say 15k pound .... to compare that with naija you have to use naija minimum wage which is 30k naira per month

Can a family of 4 survive with 30k naira a month in naija ? Not to talk of thrive ...

Poch:
Hahahaha... Thats why I said 'loosely'.

Definitely, if N30k was equivalent to £15k, people struggling to come down to Europe/UK for no too plenty. You get...lol

Many people leave their 500k+ jobs in Nigeria to come settle for £15k jobs here... and just try adjust to the new realities...

On the other hand, someone earning 30k in Nigeria and comes here to secure a £15k job will probably say he's hit a jackpot!

That really is equivalence... In my opinion sha...

icon8:


This defies every logic and rational reasoning. How could you refer to someone earning 500-600k monthly in Nigeria as a low income earner, just by virtue of foreign exchange comparison?

FYI, that income bracket is top 5 percentile in Nigeria, and is only earned by mid to senior management staff, including senior medical doctors and professors. Whereas, the so-called equivalence of £1k is earned by some of the lowest earners in the UK.

Let’s be careful and guided in our comparison, please! At least, compare apples with apples, not apples with oranges.

I’ll help you with this. Compare the life of a medical doctor (or a professor) in Nigeria with that of their counterparts in the UK. No need to do any foreign exchange conversion, as that would be relative comparison rather than absolute. I’m happy to engage in that debate, not the one you put out up there.

LagosismyHome:


A low income in UK would be like less that minimum wage so let say 15k pound .... to compare that with naija you have to use naija minimum wage which is 30k naira per month

Can a family of 4 survive with 30k naira a month in naija ? Not to talk of thrive ...

Poch:
Bros, nobody dey debate with you. Must we always have arguements to have a winner or loser?
Its fine, you win...im sure someone out there who understands the point will find this discussion useful.
And for the records, I never mentioned that a 500k earning Nigerian is a low income earner... You probably need to read slowly and comprehend before engaging in debates...lol

icon8:


There’s a lot of reasons people emigrate, and economic reason is only one of them.

For purely economic reasons, no one will leave a 500k plus monthly salary job in Naija to settle for a £15k job (per annum) in the UK. I know that because I’ve been in that situation and I know the reality.

They could however take the £15k job as a stepping stone (a foot in the door) while working towards their dream role, but I repeat, if you’ve ever earned 500k monthly in Naija, a £15k job per annum would never seem like a jackpot to you. Door opener? Yes. But jackpot? Hell NO!

PS: I quite understand that people make sacrifices and take pay cuts to be with their family, move to saner climes, and all that. Those are other considerations outside of economics and are hardly relevant to this discourse.

DisGuy:



was about to point this out too...

Perhaps if people use Job roles rather than absolute number

So Sales Asistant in Naija Sales Assistant UK
or Systems manager vs Systems Manager or equiv

Poch:

You not supposed to be able to work 'outside your employed role...'

See image below as defined by a t2 permit.

icon8:


The essence of my post was never to win. How could I engage in a competition with an anonymous stranger? Who gives the medal and to whose benefit?

All I sought to do was set the records straight, in response to your comparison of a £1k earner in the UK with the equivalent 500-600k earner in Nigeria. Those were your words, not mine.

This is a public forum, widely accessed and relied upon by a lot of folks back home in making decisions. It’s in everyone’s interest to challenge misinformation and clarify misconceptions, lest we lead people astray.