Chukwuka16:


Three years ago, heck, infact early this year, I would have agreed with you that indeed the UK leaving the EU was going to be beneficial to employees and non-EU citizens. Today I know better.

When the UK resided within the EU, they needed to maintain a minimum standard of workers’ right and we had the European Court of Arbitration to arbitrate on issues relating to workers’ rights etc. That was a way through which workers in the UK could leverage equivalence among EU member states as an argument for improved wages. You saw a lot of such comparisons across UBI, wages, hours worked, job precarity etc. EU member states provided a basis for comparison. In fact, BoJo used to compare deaths in the UK with Italy, France and Spain and only stopped when the UK started blazing the trail.

With the introduction of the PBS, what we have is exploitation. We had it prior to Jan 1, 2021, but it’s going to be more pronounced going forward. Economics tells us that when supply exceeds demand, price will fall. That is what is going to happen from Jan 1, 2021. It isn’t just about uniform access but quality of wages.

Getting a job isn’t going to be the crux of the matter but remuneration and job security. There will be a lot of precarious jobs and different kinds of contracts to ensure that employers can extract maximum utility from them. The existing and about to be extinguished system of job recruitment made it a lot easier for job holders here in the UK to move around (despite the travails a Tier 2 visa causes).

You’ve got to look at this holistically to see the overall big picture. This is a return to pure capitalism in its entirety. With the EU, we had a mix of capitalism and socialism. With this, we are back to an economic system that favours only the employers.

Think of how much has been spent by the government and on whom – businesses. What have employees gotten aside furlough (reduced wages in some instances)? Businesses have gotten BBLS, CBILS, CLBILS, Future Funds, Grants, Contracts, etc.

I’m only concerned that years from now, folks don’t look back regretting what they thought was going to be a golden opportunity which only ended up causing them a lifetime of regrets/frustrations.

icon8:


See reasoning
If you really believe that, then you’re certainly suffering from inferiority complex of the first degree.
Do you also believe that EU citizens are and will always be better than you, simply because of your ethnic background?
Abeg, take your self-defeatening outlook outta here!

RalphJean:


This statement is CATEGORICALLY untrue.
There is ABSOLUTELY no evidence to back it up.

The Only 'evidence' is that it was happening by virtue of the UK being a member of the EU.
I can prove that I had previously been denied a job (which I was more than qualified for) because I hold a Nigerian Passport.
What no one can prove is that EU citizens will ALWAYS get preferential treatment post-Brexit.

LagosismyHome:


I believe if we are good and honest at what we do then time will help us change the narrative of preference.......

but if we come and focus on negative things such as how to cheat the system, and many other nonsense then hey........ The ball is in our hand.

Sadly there still some many bad eggs among the good eggs due to years of wrong orientation in naija. Even little thing such as student visa , I read some things our people do with agents and just smh, a lot lie when there even no reason for that

TheGuyFromHR:
It's a general fact that the difference between government policy and what actually happens in real life can sometimes be wide.

Take an excerpt from that policy statement: "We need to shift the focus of our economy away from a reliance on cheap labour from Europe and instead concentrate on investment in technology and automation. Employers will need to adjust[i][/i]."

Oyibo.

The UK still needs cheap labour. So cheap labour and expensive labour will still come, black, white or brown. And because it will still be easier for European cheap or expensive labour to access the UK than the black and brown versions of the labour, the playing field will ultimately still only be level in terms of Whitehall policy only.

Take for instance, mutual recognition of qualifications. Under the deal, this will no longer be automatic. Good news for non-EU in theory. In practice, if an employer has to choose between a Nigerian University of Ife degree or a German University of Dusseldorf degree post-full Brexit, we need no crystal ball to guess where the decision will fall most times.

icon8:

The bolded is ridiculous and ludicrous, for obvious reasons.
Anyways, I’m done here. We all are entitled to our opinions. Cheers

Ameey:
Good morning house. Please what type of mattress /bed is best to get here in UK? And please possibly refer me to where I can buy online as furniture shops aren't opened here due to tier 4 restrictions. I've tried searching for mattress but there are too many types and it gets me confused. Thanks.

wallg123:
Please you people should stop arguing up and down .... The UK wants her independence from EU and now she has it... Let’s enjoy the outcome or suffer the consequences...

Meanwhile nobody for this group fit invite person to come chop Christmas food?
Uno no dey try oh

Ameey:
Good morning house. Please what type of mattress /bed is best to get here in UK? And please possibly refer me to where I can buy online as furniture shops aren't opened here due to tier 4 restrictions. I've tried searching for mattress but there are too many types and it gets me confused. Thanks.

icon8:


Go chop Christmas food and catch corona lol
Aren’t you in tier 4?

TheGuyFromHR:


Narrow down the questions.
Start with:
1. the number of people the bed is to accommodate preferably.
2. How much space you have to play with.

Ameey:
Space isn't an issue. It's for 2 adults and a kid

icon8:


Listen, I’m not of the opinion that Brexit is a bed of roses. Neither have I attempted to paint it as such. I’ve only sought to highlight a few points I consider are its pros, from a non-EU immigrant point of view.
If it makes any difference, the post I quoted arrogantly declared “there are no advantages whatsoever”. Hence my attempt to repudiate that claim.
Finally, I voted Remain and I still believe that Brexit is a bad idea, but to claim it has no single benefit whatsoever is ridiculous, even if the cons far outweigh the pros.

wallg123:
Please you people should stop arguing up and down .... The UK wants her independence from EU and now she has it... Let’s enjoy the outcome or suffer the consequences...

Meanwhile nobody for this group fit invite person to come chop Christmas food?
Uno no dey try oh

Chukwuka16:


See, I get you. Weeks ago, I passionately wrote about the need not to discourage young folks back home from exploring or migrating to the UK through the study route – based on the new PSW visa scheme. I still hold this view for young folks but for others, I suggest caution.

However, we have to be objective here. Coming to the UK from next year for older folks needs strategy and tact on their part. You don’t want to get into a system at some certain age and just watch life roll by simply because you feel tied up – we have many immigrants in that trap and it’s only going to get worse. They have become locked-in to the system and have committed themselves to ‘gbese’ like mortgage and car finance that they have now become slaves to employment.

The majority of jobs that will open up will be low-level jobs. Highly specialised and managerial roles will still mostly remain with the whites then Asians (because they own a lot of businesses here in the UK). The majority of non-EU jobs will be middle-class roles. So much work and average remuneration.

I don’t hold fort for EU citizens, but I know that English Language will work against many of them.

Getting a job in the UK from Nigeria won’t be uhuru from next year. You have cost for visa fees and HIS surcharge now becoming too much. How much do you earn yearly that can support you and your family’s visa application fees and IHS for 5 years and then pay for ILR and then pay for passports? Next is living expenses and rent and sundry other charges – all on top of how much?

Spread the news about the PBS and let people know of the opportunities but also let them know that in the long run things may most likely not pan out well. As I write this, I just remember a discussion between me and my friend a year ago. We were returning from work when he jokingly told me that we were only 2 salaries away from being homeless. His argument was that in the event one’s salary was stopped for whatever reason, we could get away with the first month’s rent by arguing for grace/extension but by second month, we were sure going to be ejected. That was a sobering moment for me. Ask yourself truthfully if you can with your monthly expenses running your family comfortably save 6 months of your salary within a year (or 2 at most) as emergency spend in the event of an emergency (considering all the bills and sundry charges)?

icon8:

These are words on marble, and I’ve got nothing but respect for you.
With cautious optimism, having a solid plan, and of course God’s favour, I believe most will make a success of the opportunity. Nigeria is already hard for the common man, I trust they will survive here, if they keep their eyes on the ball.
Thanks for sharing. Cheers

TheGuyFromHR:

Good news for non-EU in theory. In practice, if an employer has to choose between a Nigerian University of Ife degree or a German University of Dusseldorf degree post-full Brexit all other things being equal, we need no crystal ball to guess where the decision will fall most times. When taking experience into consideration, whose will be given more weight most of the time, one wonders. That acquired in a Ghanaian company, or that acquired in say Sweden or France?

LagosismyHome:


In my experience UK is all about relevant work experience and not necessarily school expect few entry level jobs or graduate scheme jobs

Apart from that.... in reality hardly would you see anybody having to choose between Ife and Dusseldorf. It more about what do you bring to the Table and how you can sell that value

Chreze:
Hi Guys,

Anyone know any shop that sells laptops with possibly lesser price aside from the manufacturer site (hp, dell). I believe there are some shops with sales and all that. Any one to recommend to buy online. Store with good PCs and no some refurbished stuff. I want to order but dell is doing that their we will build for you, which is nothing less than 15days. Need something to study with while quarantining.

Also I want to know if there is anyone that does crypto here and does the person advice to use a Monzo account?

Thanks in advance.

icon8:

The bolded is ridiculous and ludicrous, for obvious reasons.
Anyways, I’m done here. We all are entitled to our opinions. Cheers

flinton:

I bought a laptop on Facebook marketplace, I negotiated online then met the seller for later part of the transaction
I have done transfers from crypto account to my monzo encountered no difficulties.

Aphrodite007:


The fact that you think the bolder is ridiculous worries me. Even me as an employer wouldn’t pick a Nigerian over a Brit, having experienced the two systems of education.. unless I want to pick based on sentiment.

Apologies to anyone offended but I’m being honest.

I saw computing in Nigeria and I saw computing in UK, and I saw the HUGE difference. The times I hired a Nigerian over a European was cos of “na we we” not cos they were better.

So if you think you’re now expect from preferential treatment, leeeemaaaaoooo!

Chreze:


Thanks for this. The Monzo was person to person I guess right, cos reading the Monzo rules they said they don’t accept any international payment. Sorry to border you on this.

For the laptop, I am new here and won’t want to start thru that root, guess it’s gonna take sometime. I just need like a laptop store where one get some discount and delivery within few days. Hp does 48hrs, while dell is 15days above because they make for you and deliver. Just somewhere with some discount to help man save a little.

Thanks bro

icon8:


Lol. I think you need to apologise to all the hardworking and skilled professionals who studied in Nigeria and are currently plying their trade everywhere around the world. A lot of them distinguished and very accomplished!

You just called all the Nigerian trained doctors on this thread quacks and mediocres compared to their European counterparts, as well as the IT practitioners, and other successful professionals in all walks of life, and the graduate students from Nigeria who finish top of their class all over the world. While I won’t hold court for anyone, I certainly do not agree with you that anyone, no matter where they were trained, is better than I am in my profession. Education is a continuum, and there is no barrier to learning in this day and age.

That said, you are entirely entitled to your valuation of yourself and your worth as a Nigerian, but sadly, I don’t, and will never, share in your view. I believe I am up there with the very best, and the opinion of a stranger on a faceless platform ain’t gonna change that!

Peace!

Aphrodite007:


Bring sentiments in all you want, that’s your business. I mentioned an apology to people when I made my statement, but now let me bring you to my level.

During my computing degree in Nigeria , I was taught pascal and VBasic, while my mates in England were learning python and c#. I have dreams of employing Nigerians based on skill not emotions, but that would be the curriculum starts teaching real stuff. I don’t know about the Med field but I know Nigerians are so smart that they can easily learn what’s needed in their field here and excel. But do they actually have the degree in comparison to e.g the Germans? You use your mouth and answer.

If you want to misconstrue my words without thinking deeply, that’s fine- I don’t roll with petty.

flinton:

UK O.Gs will suggest better on the laptop purchase issue
About monzo, I am sharing my experience, I have a binance account verified nd registered bk home, when I came here I attempted a withdrawal, it went through, since I hv been using it as a conduit

Chreze:


Thank you so much. This is the best way to get pounds, that rate from Naija is crazy. Thanks man. Much respect

Chreze:


Thanks for this. The Monzo was person to person I guess right, cos reading the Monzo rules they said they don’t accept any international payment. Sorry to border you on this.

For the laptop, I am new here and won’t want to start thru that root, guess it’s gonna take sometime. I just need like a laptop store where one get some discount and delivery within few days. Hp does 48hrs, while dell is 15days above because they make for you and deliver. Just somewhere with some discount to help man save a little.

Thanks bro