sesan85:


Dear annoying, stubborn, incorrigible midwit, your ill-educated "fictional Ife" cockamamie has been debunked by even your own Bini ancestors who call your Ife descended Oba "Abieyuwa N'ovbi Odua N'uhe" (The son of the wealthy Odua of Ife), appellations your dumb ass wasn't even aware of.
Secondly, can you show me any reputable "oral tradition" of Benin (whether local or foreign) which claims Oduduwa Olofin Adimula was some spurious Ekala-whatever, or Izoduwa, or Imadoduwa from Benin predating Erediauwa's 1970s-80s revisionist and ahistorical dross?

How come in the praise names of your Oba, Oduduwa's other name "Adimula" gets a mention (your Oba is also called "ovbi' Adimula" - son of Adimula), but no presence of Ekala-whatever? Again, how come there's an Ugie Odudua (a Bini festival in honour of Oduduwa) and no Ugie Ekala-whatever? Could it be that your Bini ancestors weren't aware that Oduduwa was Ekala-whatever? Unlike TAO11, I don't believe in showing civility to irredeemable knuckleheads who pompously disseminate ignorance and don't care about facts hence I avoid "debating" with colossal clowns like you. You call Ife "fictional Ife" but your own Bini ancestors venerate the same "fictional Ife"? The irony.

But Bros no vex... How u take know say dem dey call Benin Oba abieyuwa and ikeji and adimula...?

PORNeIlusHUBson:
One Day we go go the Oba palace to hear what he says

You don't have to go to oba Palace to hear what he said. The video of his coronation speech in which he talked about Benin/Ife relationship is on YouTube, you can go and watch it. The Ooni, Sultan, Emir of Kano and all important monarchs across Nigeria and beyond were in attendance.

samuk:


Point to the part you disagree with for me to provide you with evidence.

Well you can choose your own believe ," you have the right to believe what ever you want but to the outside world is different.. why you don't want to embrace the truth but lies because of ego Samuk you provide no evidence but distortion of history ..Discrediting Ile- ife civilization in your own little brain won't change the fact that ile-ife civilization sent shock waves around the world,, The pride of Afrocentrics , lot of books are written about Ile-ife civilization.. Ancient steps of people called Yorubas are visibly seen all around Africa as far as Sudan.. Do you know how many country in west Africa have Yoruba indigenous tribes ..Pertaining to Ibn battuta our ancient islamic scholars and travellers have documentation about it in ajami.. Do you even know Yoruba have Ajami script ..

Obalufon:
Well you can choose your own believe ," you have the right to believe what ever you want but to the outside world is different.. why you don't want to embrace the truth but lies because of ego Samuk you provide no evidence but distortion of history ..Discrediting Ile- ife civilization in your own little brain won't change the fact that ile-ife civilization sent shock waves around the world,, The pride of Afrocentrics , lot of books are written about Ile-ife civilization.. Ancient steps of people called Yorubas are visibly seen all around Africa as far as Sudan.. Do you know how many country in west Africa have Yoruba indigenous tribes ..Pertaining to Ibn battuta our ancient islamic scholars and travellers have documentation about it in ajami.. Do you even know Yoruba have Ajami script ..

The fact that numerous books links Oduduwa to Saudi Arabia or the middle east don't make the story to be true.

Oduduwa Mecca origin is just one of the numerous Yoruba lies written in books.

Yarriba or Yoruba was not a name synonymous with any Nigeria tribes until it was chosen from about a dozen returnee slaves tribes in Sierra Leone to represent all returnee slaves across Africa and the negro of south western Nigeria in 1808 by the white man.

Before 1808, the people of south western Nigeria were known by their various tribes names such as Egba, Oyo, Ijebu, Ekiti, etc. They all assumed Yoruba identity in 1808, not all the people calling themselves Yoruba today were originally included in this group. Ijebu is still struggling with the Yoruba identity.

The political Yoruba people were formed in 1808. Ife was also formed to unite all these formerly different tribes under one umbrella as people of one heritage. This is how the myths of Oduduwa, Oranmiyan and Ife started.

samuk:


An illiterate masks every word with insults to divert attention, this is the practice here on nairaland by the average Yoruba, this can only intimidate someone who have nothing to say. I just zigzag through your insults and see nothing tangible and sensible in your comments as usual.

Someone with sound education and with superior knowledge and information always relishes the opportunity to school the less informed or ignorance. The reason I am always reluctant to reply Yoruba insults most of the time is because, it distracts from the knowledge and education I am passing into your block heads.

Insults doesn't win you an argument and it doesn't distract me from bursting your lies.

In Benin oral tradition, the Benin prince Ekaladerhan assumed the name Izoduwa (I have chosen the part of wealth) which the Yoruba corrupted to Oduduwa. He chose this name because of the circumstances surrounding his escape from Benin to Ife, beside, it's customary for every Benin prince to choose a new name on assumption or when they become an Oba. Benin oral history says Ekaladerhan became oba with the new name Izoduwa AKA Oduduwa in Ife

Enough of the Oral history above because it's nothing but a fantastic myths to the average Benin person. Like every society, Benin also have her myths and this is one of them. Benin rather dwells on real history because Benin is full of history. Yoruba don't have history, so they relish myths and they try to present their myths as history to the less informed.

Even the Yoruba can't prove that Oduduwa wasn't a myth that came into Benin oral history in the 1800s. The reason the Yoruba is fixated with the Benin/Ife connection is without it Yoruba history is nothing.

Yoruba history that started in 1824 when the Europeans first visited Oyo needs Benin history desperately to backdate their history to the 1100s through the fabricated Benin/Ife relationship.

This was a grand conspiracy against the Igbos because it gives the Yoruba history an illegitimate legitimacy above Igbo history.

Yoruba people as we know them today began in 1808 through the amalgamation of freed and returnee slaves with the negro of south western Nigeria.

Sesan85 did you notice that I hardly have any room for insults during the course of this lecture? It's so because I have something to say and a superior knowledge and information than you.

The irrefutable facts.

1. As already stated, modern Yoruba was created in 1808 from descendants of freed slaves from all over Africa and south west Nigeria people.

2. Some of you here are parroting Ife as your new homes because you no longer know where you originally descended from in African because of the circumstance in which your ancestors found themselves in Nigeria amongst the south western people of Nigeria.

3. Most original people or owners of south western Nigeria don't subscribe to Ife or Ooni supremacy, this is still evidence today. After almost 100 years of the political creation of Ife as the cradle of Yoruba nation, the Ooni and Ife is still struggling to gain any recognition from the Oba of Lagos, Awujale of Ijebu, Olugbo, etc, the superiority of the last Ooni was never recognised by the Alaafin.

4. If Ife was genuinely the cradle of Yoruba civilisation and not a concocted and fabricated lie, there wouldn't have been supremacy tussle amongst south west monarchs.

5. The supremacy of the Benin monarch is not being questioned by any monarchy in the entire south south Nigeria because Benin is real while Ife is a fake political imitation.

6. All Oba of Lagos from present to previous sees the Oba of Benin as their royal father not the Ooni. They see themselves as Benin descendants not Ife.

7. You will hardly see real Ife here on nairaland debating what they know to be lies. Only the wannabe without historical roots are here parroting Ife fabrications and lies.

8. Yoruba can only try to sell theirs lies to those that don't know or have history. Benin itself is history others study and the average Benin person is very much at home with history and can't be intimidated and cowed by insults from nitwits without historical roots.

All Obas of Lagos since Ologun Kutere were/are descendants of Ijesha priest Alaagba, you ill-educated sub-slowpoke! No wonder your shallowitted ass didn't know "Abieyuwa N'ovbi Odua N'uhe" (The son of the wealthy Odua of Ife) was a praise name of your Oba. There's a supremacy battle between your Ife descended Oba and the Ogiame, you halfwit. The Ogiamiens don't acknowledge the Oba as king over them. They're still telling him to acknowledge the Ekiopagha treaty as a tenant from Ife. And there's no Yoruba sub-group that doesn't claim descent from Ife.

You have still not cited pre-Erediuwa sources - both local and Benin - that claim Oduduwa was some spurious Ekala-whatever. It appears your ancestors weren't aware of this Ekala-whatever-cum-Oduduwa hence they couldn't mention him in the praise names of your Oba. Let me make it clear again, I don't believe in showing civility to dedicated paranoid asshats, and I give no hoot about your feelings or dishing insults back to me.

PORNeIlusHUBson:


But Bros no vex... How u take know say dem dey call Benin Oba abieyuwa and ikeji and adimula...?

Dude go to bed if you can't go look up the praise names of your own Oba.

sesan85:


All Obas of Lagos since Ologun Kutere were/are descendants of Ijesha priest Alaagba, you ill-educated sub-slowpoke! No wonder your shallowitted ass didn't know "Abieyuwa N'ovbi Odua N'uhe" (The son of the wealthy Odua of Ife) was a praise name of your Oba. There's a supremacy battle between your Ife descended Oba and the Ogiame, you halfwit. The Ogiamiens don't acknowledge the Oba as king over them. They're still telling him to acknowledge the Ekiopagha treaty as a tenant from Ife. And there's no Yoruba sub-group that doesn't claim descent from Ife.

You have still not cited pre-Erediuwa sources - both local and Benin - that claim Oduduwa was some spurious Ekala-whatever. It appears your ancestors weren't aware of this Ekala-whatever-cum-Oduduwa hence they couldn't mention him in the praise names of your Oba. Let me make it clear again, I don't believe in showing civility to dedicated paranoid asshats, and I give no hoot about your feelings or dishing insults back to me.

Hear directly from the present Oba of Lagos on who the father of all Lagos monarchs is, You are a wannabe without historical roots.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvaiC_djW8o

See @samuk (aka. my salve) being a typical Benin man (i.e. lying upandan) while I’m away. Haha!

I’ve got a few more hours sleep to catch before I make you disappear as always. Lol!

Enjoy your lies while it lasts — that is while I’m away for a few hours.

But remember this — the more lies you peddle, the more your disgrace on my return.

So, help yourself with some moderation.

Cheers!

Cc: Balogunodua, babtoundey, Obalufon, sesan85, Ideadoctor.

TAO11:
See @samuk (aka. my salve) being a typical Benin man (i.e. lying upandan) while I’m away. Haha!

I’ve got a few more hours sleep to catch before I make you disappear as always. Lol!

Enjoy your lies while it lasts — that is while I’m away for a few hours.

But remember this — the more lies you peddle, the more your disgrace on my return.

So, help yourself with some moderation.

Cheers!

Cc: Balogunodua, babtoundey, Obalufon, sesan85, Ideadoctor.

He will Usainbolt out of this thread....

samuk:


Hear directly from the present Oba of Lagos on who the father of all Lagos monarchy is, You are a wannabe without historical roots.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvaiC_djW8o

Oduduwa Olofin Adimula, a Yoruba man, is the father of all Benin Obas via Oranmiyan. Alaagba, the Ijesha father of Ologun Kutere, is the father and ancestor of Obas of Lagos. You can't rewrite history. You're an ill-educated dunderhead who's ignorant of the praise names of your own Obas.

Obalufon:
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Now this is how the Ife, Oduduwa and Oranmiyan myths and fabrications started.

After the Yoruba identity was created to accommodate all returnee slaves in 1808, early Yoruba historians mostly with slave roots such as S. Johnson, Law and Ajayi Crowder used their western education to start writing history for the Yoruba people.

Ife was zeroed in as a common heritage land and the Oyo dialect was adopted, standardized and taught as the common language for all Yoruba people.

Oduduwa which was a mythical figure was elevated to an historical figure with middle eastern origin, but there was a problem because Saudi Arabia or Egypt didn't have records for such historical figure.

Then Benin came to the rescue. The deal with Benin at the end of Benin empire/kingdom in 1897 was for Benin to use her well established history to give the political Oduduwa and Ife historical legitimacy.

What Benin got from the arrangement. Oranmiyan was created as heir to Oduduwa, Oba of Benin was the first heir to Oranmiyan, the Alaafin was the second heir and the Ooni their chief priest or shrine keeper. By this political arraignment, the Oba of Benin takes preeminence as Oduduwa heir, he seats on top of all other Yoruba monarchs that traces their roots to Oduduwa and Ife.

The Ooni and Alaafin will always accord the Oba of Benin the utmost respect. The supremacy tussle between Yoruba monarchs doesn't extend to Benin. Only lesser wannabe Ife descendants obas would say anything that could be construed as disrespectful in public.

Ife in ancient times was nothing other than were people go and consult the Oracles.

The popular Benin/Ife story goes like this, the Benin invited Oduduwa to come back home after the last Ogiso Owodo died because Oduduwa was the banished heir to the Benin throne. Oduduwa refused to come back to Benin due to old age and instead sent a younger Oranmiyan. Oranmiyan spent three months and couldn't stay because some chiefs were hostile to him. Oranmiyan left behind Eweka in his mother's tommy and went and established Oyo and the Alaafin of Oyo became his second son.

By the above story, Yoruba were able to backdate their 1808 history to the 1100s through the already well established Benin historical dating system.

Forget the Ife, Nupe, Zimbabwe, Yufi ambiguity, Benin history since the 1400s is solid.

Europeans that first visited Benin in the 1400s keep updating Benin history from the 1400s to 1897 in their writings.

All Yoruba fabricators of Ife, Oduduwa and Oranmiyan needed to do was to shift Oranmiyan's arrival to Benin 300 years earlier than the Portuguese 1400s visit to Benin.

All these were fabricated in the 1800s, this is the reason the Benin/Ife relationship can't be historically backed earlier than 1800s. This relationship never existed.

Balogunodua:

He will Usainbolt out of this thread....

This is the official clown and praise singer of this village/land called Nairaland. Your clownish efforts are noticed. You are doing a great job in your clownish profession, keep it up.

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Balogunodua:

He will Usainbolt out of this thread....

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Balogunodua:


He will come back and tell you Adimula means Prince of Prince....

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samuk:


Hear directly from the present Oba of Lagos on who the father of all Lagos monarchy is, You are a wannabe without historical roots.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvaiC_djW8o

This man is already blind because of desecration of Oduduwa Lineage'' Aworis own Lagos .. ..Isale Eko is a small region of Lagos state...Palace got burnt ,almost got killed had to run out of the palace through the back fence

TAO11:
See @samuk (aka. my salve) being a typical Benin man (i.e. lying upandan) while I’m away. Haha!

I’ve got a few more hours sleep to catch before I make you disappear as always. Lol!

Enjoy your lies while it lasts — that is while I’m away for a few hours.

But remember this — the more lies you peddle, the more your disgrace on my return.

So, help yourself with some moderation.

Cheers!

Cc: Balogunodua, babtoundey, Obalufon, sesan85, Ideadoctor.

The enemy of Benin history never have time to sleep, they remain restless, that's why you have only few hours to sleep and rest. Benin history will continue to keep you busy.

samuk:


An illiterate masks every word with insults to divert attention, this is the practice here on nairaland by the average Yoruba, this can only intimidate someone who have nothing to say. I just zigzag through your insults and see nothing tangible and sensible in your comments as usual.

Someone with sound education and with superior knowledge and information always relishes the opportunity to school the less informed or ignorance. The reason I am always reluctant to reply Yoruba insults most of the time is because, it distracts from the knowledge and education I am passing into your block heads.

Insults doesn't win you an argument and it doesn't distract me from bursting your lies.

In Benin oral tradition, the Benin prince Ekaladerhan assumed the name Izoduwa (I have chosen the part of wealth) which the Yoruba corrupted to Oduduwa. He chose this name because of the circumstances surrounding his escape from Benin to Ife, beside, it's customary for every Benin prince to choose a new name on assumption or when they become an Oba. Benin oral history says Ekaladerhan became oba with the new name Izoduwa AKA Oduduwa in Ife

Enough of the Oral history above because it's nothing but a fantastic myths to the average Benin person. Like every society, Benin also have her myths and this is one of them. Benin rather dwells on real history because Benin is full of history. Yoruba don't have history, so they relish myths and they try to present their myths as history to the less informed.

Even the Yoruba can't prove that Oduduwa wasn't a myth that came into Benin oral history in the 1800s. The reason the Yoruba is fixated with the Benin/Ife connection is without it Yoruba history is nothing.

Yoruba history that started in 1824 when the Europeans first visited Oyo needs Benin history desperately to backdate their history to the 1100s through the fabricated Benin/Ife relationship.

This was a grand conspiracy against the Igbos because it gives the Yoruba history an illegitimate legitimacy above Igbo history.

Yoruba people as we know them today began in 1808 through the amalgamation of freed and returnee slaves with the negro of south western Nigeria.

Sesan85 did you notice that I hardly have any room for insults during the course of this lecture? It's so because I have something to say and a superior knowledge and information than you.

The irrefutable facts.

1. As already stated, modern Yoruba was created in 1808 from descendants of freed slaves from all over Africa and south west Nigeria people.

2. Some of you here are parroting Ife as your new homes because you no longer know where you originally descended from in African because of the circumstance in which your ancestors found themselves in Nigeria amongst the south western people of Nigeria.

3. Most original people or owners of south western Nigeria don't subscribe to Ife or Ooni supremacy, this is still evidence today. After almost 100 years of the political creation of Ife as the cradle of Yoruba nation, the Ooni and Ife is still struggling to gain any recognition from the Oba of Lagos, Awujale of Ijebu, Olugbo, etc, the superiority of the last Ooni was never recognised by the Alaafin.

4. If Ife was genuinely the cradle of Yoruba civilisation and not a concocted and fabricated lie, there wouldn't have been supremacy tussle amongst south west monarchs.

5. The supremacy of the Benin monarch is not being questioned by any monarchy in the entire south south Nigeria because Benin is real while Ife is a fake political imitation.

6. All Oba of Lagos from present to previous sees the Oba of Benin as their royal father not the Ooni. They see themselves as Benin descendants not Ife.

7. You will hardly see real Ife here on nairaland debating what they know to be lies. Only the wannabe without historical roots are here parroting Ife fabrications and lies.

8. Yoruba can only try to sell theirs lies to those that don't know or have history. Benin itself is history others study and the average Benin person is very much at home with history and can't be intimidated and cowed by insults from nitwits without historical roots.

Now I can see how foolish deluded mind like yours can be... My God shocked after your ancestors where squashed in the mud by TAO on this threads....

https://www.nairaland.com/6234931/why-ikwerres-not-igbo-logic/15#96513655


https://www.nairaland.com/6234931/why-ikwerres-not-igbo-logic/25#96567759

You still have the balls to repreat same lies that leads your ancestors to been squashed.... undecided you kept repeating same questions that have been refuted thousand times on this forum cheesy any reasonable mind that visit this threads I posted will see the truth and realize how dull and deluded you are...you just couldn't take the shame given to you by TAO....

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Balogunodua:

Now I can see how foolish deluded mind like yours can be... My God shocked after your ancestors where squashed in the mud by TAO on this threads....

https://www.nairaland.com/6234931/why-ikwerres-not-igbo-logic/15#96513655


https://www.nairaland.com/6234931/why-ikwerres-not-igbo-logic/25#96567759

You still have the balls to repreat same lies that leads your ancestors to been squashed.... undecided you kept repeating same questions that have been refuted thousand times on this forum cheesy any reasonable mind that visit this threads I posted will see the truth and realize how dull and deluded you are...you just couldn't take the shame given to you by TAO....

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samuk:


This is the official clown and praise singer of this village/land called Nairaland. Your clownish efforts are noticed. You are doing a great job in your clownish profession, keep it up.

She disgraced you over and over again on this thread...even with the so called screenshot you posted you kept repeating same questions that got your ancestors disgraced....

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Balogunodua:

She disgraced you over and over again on this thread...even with the so called screenshot you posted you kept repeating same questions that got your ancestors disgraced....

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samuk:


The enemy of Benin history never have time to sleep, they remain restless, that's why you have only few hours to sleep and rest. Benin history will continue to keep you busy.

Kikikiki... we all know those having sleepless night due to the beating they received from Tao...

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Balogunodua:

Kikikiki... we all know those having sleepless night due to the beating they received from Tao...

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The coward Edo canceller is here...

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Balogunodua:
The coward Edo canceller is here...

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samuk:


Now this is how the Ife, Oduduwa and Oranmiyan myths and fabrications started.

After the Yoruba identity was created to accommodate all returnee slaves in 1808, early Yoruba historians mostly with slave roots such as S. Johnson, Law and Ajayi Crowder used their western education to start writing history for the Yoruba people.

Ife was zeroed in as a common heritage land and the Oyo dialect was adopted, standardized and taught as the common language for all Yoruba people.

Oduduwa which was a mythical figure was elevated to an historical figure with middle eastern origin, but there was a problem because Saudi Arabia or Egypt didn't have records for such historical figure.

Then Benin came to the rescue. The deal with Benin at the end of Benin empire/kingdom in 1897 was for Benin to use her well established history to give the political Oduduwa and Ife historical legitimacy.

What Benin got from the arrangement. Oranmiyan was created as heir to Oduduwa, Oba of Benin was the first heir to Oranmiyan, the Alaafin was the second heir and the Ooni their chief priest or shrine keeper.

Ife in ancient times was nothing other than were people go and consult the Oracles.

The popular Benin/Ife story goes like this, the Benin invited Oduduwa to come back home after the last Ogiso Owodo died because Oduduwa was the banished heir to the Benin throne. Oduduwa refused to come back to Benin due to old age and instead sent a younger Oranmiyan. Oranmiyan spent three months and couldn't stay because some chiefs were hostile to him. Oranmiyan left behind Eweka in his mother's tommy and went and established Oyo and the Alaafin of Oyo became his second son.

By the above story, Yoruba were able to backdate their 1808 history to the 1100s through the already well established Benin historical dating system.

Europeans that first visited Benin in the 1400s keep updating Benin history from the 1400s to 1897 in their writings.

All Yoruba fabricators of Ife, Oduduwa and Oranmiyan needed to do was to shift Oranmiyan's arrival to Benin 300 years earlier than the Portuguese 1400s visit to Benin.

All these were fabricated in the 1800s, this is the reason the Benin/Ife relationship can't be historically backed earlier than 1800s. This relationship never existed.

Those lies have been debunked over and over again on this threads down here...

https://www.nairaland.com/6234931/why-ikwerres-not-igbo-logic/15#96513655


https://www.nairaland.com/6234931/why-ikwerres-not-igbo-logic/25#96567759

You were disgraced and your ancestors got squashed in the mud....

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Balogunodua:

Those lies have been debunked over and over again on this threads down here...

https://www.nairaland.com/6234931/why-ikwerres-not-igbo-logic/15#96513655


https://www.nairaland.com/6234931/why-ikwerres-not-igbo-logic/25#96567759

You were disgraced and your ancestors got squashed in the mud....

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sesan85:
Dude go to bed if you can't go look up the praise names of your own Oba.

Bro calm down... I'm not here to argue with u... I just wanted to set some things straight... After this post, I don't think I'll say anything more as I'm busy...

The fact that some praise name was posted on the internet doesn't mean that its official and its what the chiefs use consistently.. Let's get deeper into it

Firstly, I was surprised to see that u know the praise name of the oba of Benin even though u haven't personally been to the palace , associated with any of the palace chiefs or understand Benin language but the praise names of the Yoruba Obas are relatively unknown to average person. Well it could be due to the fact that the Benin own was posted online by someone knowledgeable in Benin customs and traditions...

Secondly praise names are dynamic not static, unofficial not official. It could change anytime depending on the person saying it. The way u praise ur Ooni can be different from the way another Yoruba will praise the Ooni so I don't see the fuss abt the praise name being an attribute of the oba originating from ife...

Also the inclusion of ikeji orisha and the other that doesn't have meaning in Benin language is also a clear proof that the originator of it is someone grounded in Benin and Yoruba languages... Someone born and bred in Benin will never think of a word called ikeji as it would seem jargons..not to think of using it to praise the Oba .. that would mean his head would be on a platter quickly

Now to the praise names, i think the first place u saw the praise names was when maco.f created a thread for it around August this year. The website he most likely got it from was this website below

https://igbodefender.com/2019/07/04/21-praise-names-of-the-oba-of-benin-that-would-make-you-want-to-become-a-king/

And the website source in turn was from a nairalander here
https://www.nairaland.com/5281210/oba-ewuare-edo-chiefs-visit#79933371

Now this poster before making this post had made mockery of the Oba here
https://www.nairaland.com/5281210/oba-ewuare-edo-chiefs-visit#79933305


So it can be obvious that the original poster was mischievous and decided to add Yoruba words to suit his narratives... A clear look at the guys post history shows that he is a Yoruba Muslim(or at least he was called) and not a Benin person... The poster wasnt even a palace chief so how did u then assume that the praises was official when praises for a person is dynamic

Let me point one loophole in his praise name,
The poster said Ovbi' Umogun Oza. Now there is no info out that the Oba's late mother Princess Egheniuwe Akenzua was from Oza. This is highly false.
Samuk, does this even mean "the child whose mother is from Oza".. I'm not that fluent in Benin that's why I'm asking...

Modified: I've checked the meaning of umogun and it is used to refer to the royal family.. if u watched videos of where the Oba is being hailed, some people say Umogun gha t'okpere which means Long Live the royal family.. ..... . Also the real way to say "the child whose mother is from Oza" is most likely ovbi Iye Oza and not the false narrative that u are pushing here

This further cast doubts on the authenticity of the praise name and its source

Lastly I have a video of a man praising the Oba of Benin and I never heard the praise names that u have been pushing here like everyone in Benin uses it

Now having said this, let me quickly say some things abt Oduduwa story... Samuel Johnson who is one of the first Yoruba historians to write abt Oduduwa mentioned that he was a mythical figure...
Egharevba didn't explicitly say that Oduduwa was from Ife.
Then Erediauwa gave his account of his own origin that Ekaladerhan is Oduduwa in the 1970s...
Then as at 2010 one historian claimed that Oduduwa was from Ife.
This more recent claim would seem like an attempt to remove the mystery of Oduduwa origin...

Well to each his own, Benin believe Oduduwa came from Benin while Ife believe otherwise ... To each their own

I'm busy now Sha... I've said my own
Gregyboy
Etinosa1234
Edeyoung

Nairaland is the only place where I see Benin's claiming supremacy,sometimes I read some absurd histories that were composed by some insecure Benin patriots to make their tribe relevant and supreme. I don't mind people being patriotic about their tribe and ethnicity, but in the process of being patriotic don't hate, don't lie,don't distort and don't ever try to overlook those who are above you. It is very rare to see Yoruba omoluabis opening spiteful trends because omoluabis knows that they are great,their glory and influence shines over the world, they don't proclaim themselves but people proclaim them.
Their culture is unique through out the whole of Africa, they are the only African tribe with a well refined religion that rival other religions,their culture and language is cherished in it simplicity, a language that is loaded with mysteries and wisdom.
They are peaceful but wise,nobody hate Yorubas except the Enviers and the cheaters. Yoruba are gentle but not stupid, fulanis underestimated them at Oshogbo and they were massacred, igbos stepped their boundary at ore and they heard it, the Nupes sacked Oyo when luck was with them, but Abiodun revenge and pushed them across the Niger, Hausas messed with yorubas and killed Abiola, not only that the army supported them and commit evil against yorubas,but the yorubas threw down the garment of gentility and took on their monster side,Hausa payed with their lives in Lagos. Yorubas are never afraid of been dominated, because they can never be dominated.These small Benin boys should be warned so that they would not bring troubles to their parents at home, violence and war starts from hateful comments like these,and i pray there won't be war,especially between yorubas and Edo,because if there is,Edo would never be the same again,what befell ijaye may befall them

Ideadoctor:
[s]Nairaland is the only place where I see Benin's claiming supremacy,sometimes I read some absurd histories that were composed by some insecure Benin patriots to make their tribe relevant and supreme. I don't mind people being patriotic about their tribe and ethnicity, but in the process of being patriotic don't hate, don't lie,don't distort and don't ever try to overlook those who are above you. It is very rare to see Yoruba omoluabis opening spiteful trends because omoluabis knows that they are great,their glory and influence shines over the world, they don't proclaim themselves but people proclaim them.
Their culture is unique through out the whole of Africa, they are the only African tribe with a well refined religion that rival other religions,their culture and language is cherished in it simplicity, a language that is loaded with mysteries and wisdom.
They are peaceful but wise,nobody hate Yorubas except the Enviers and the cheaters. Yoruba are gentle but not stupid, fulanis underestimated them at Oshogbo and they were massacred, igbos stepped their boundary at ore and they heard it, the Nupes sacked Oyo when luck was with them, but Abiodun revenge and pushed them across the Niger, Hausas messed with yorubas and killed Abiola, not only that the army supported them and commit evil against yorubas,but the yorubas threw down the garment of gentility and took on their monster side,Hausa payed with their lives in Lagos. Yorubas are never afraid of been dominated, because they can never be dominated.These small Benin boys should be warned so that they would not bring troubles to their parents at home, violence and war starts from hateful comments like these,and i pray there won't be war,especially between yorubas and Edo,because if there is,Edo would never be the same again,what befell ijaye may befall them[/s]

Another day, another time for u to spew trash...

U have never seen Yoruba open spiteful trends... Pls is adeyinka grandson an Igbo man

If u think wars are won with population I'm sorry but u are in for a rude shock.....

Goan read how Finland defeated the mighty Soviet union during the 2nd world war..

Goan read how Israel alone, defeated an alliance of Egypt, Syria, Jordan and other Arab nations in the 6 days war in the late 1960s

Goan read abt Bastogne where an encircled American division(101st division) held out the superior German power till help came

Read bro... Read..... If u think wars are easy, then I'm pretty sure u are an illiterate...

Even in the Nigerian civil war, wasn't it a weak and inferior Biafran army that held out against the superior Nigerian firepower for 3 years?

In operation market garden in the 2nd world war, the allied forces underestimated the Germans and lost more than 50,000 of their men..

I can give u a lot of instances of this...

All this small ignorant Yoruba boys sef ...

Let the war come first... I'd make u die for ur Yoruba tribe at ibadan

Full Time Ozuo.. as if ur famed Oyo kingdom was Brought down by spirits

Etinosa1234:


Another day, another time for u to spew trash...

U have never seen Yoruba open spiteful trends... Pls is adeyinka grandson an Igbo man

If u think wars are won with population I'm sorry but u are in for a rude shock.....

Goan read how Finland defeated the mighty Soviet union during the 2nd world war..

Goan read how Israel alone, defeated an alliance of Egypt, Syria, Jordan and other Arab nations in the 6 days war in the late 1960s

Goan read abt Bastogne where an encircled American division(101st division) held out the superior German power till help came

Read bro... Read..... If u think wars are easy, then I'm pretty sure u are an illiterate...

Even in the Nigerian civil war, wasn't it a weak and inferior Biafran army that held out against the superior Nigerian firepower for 3 days?

In operation market garden in the 2nd world war, the allied forces underestimated the Germans and lost more than 50,000 of their men..

I can give u a lot of instances of this...

All this small ignorant Yoruba boys sef ...

Let the war come first... I'd make u die for ur Yoruba tribe at ibadan

Full Time Ozuo

just like you said, " let the war begin" a cow does not know what a knife is meant for, until it has been slaughtered ".

Ideadoctor:
just like you said, " let the war begin" a cow does not know what a knife is meant for, until it has been slaughtered ".

Before it begins, read ur books so that u won't be shocked by the turn of events

Etinosa1234:


Before it begins, read ur books so that u won't be shocked by the turn of events

okay