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| Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by AntiBalogunodua: 6:54pm On Dec 31, 2020 |
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| Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by AntiBalogunodua: 6:54pm On Dec 31, 2020 |
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| Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by AntiBalogunodua: 6:54pm On Dec 31, 2020 |
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| Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by EdoDefence: 7:03pm On Dec 31, 2020 |
Etinosa1234: Bro I have been watching you and I must say you are an epitome of wisdom. This self acclaimed majorities so much believe in numbers. Let me add to the list they should also read on how Gengis Khan turn China's greatest weapon (Population) into Thier nightmare. They should also read up on why US still defeats China in military terms 3 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by Etinosa1234: 7:13pm On Dec 31, 2020 |
EdoDefence: You won't blame him Sha... They think the whole world ends at Yoruba land... The way the guy types, u'll see that nairaland is his only source of info hence the reason for his ignorance 3 Likes |
| Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by Ideadoctor(m): 7:18pm On Dec 31, 2020 |
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| Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by AntiBalogunodua: 7:39pm On Dec 31, 2020 |
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| Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by EdoDefence: 8:09pm On Dec 31, 2020 |
Ideadoctor: Hear the wise sayings of my Ancestors: Aiguọbasimwen 2 Likes |
| Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by samuk: 9:13pm On Dec 31, 2020 |
Etinosa1234: You guys are even going too far to cite international examples. Below is what Benin did to his Yoruba people in the past, maybe he thinks the fighting gene was not passed down to this generation of Benin. Benin lordship over Yoruba Land. No part of Ekiti was spared the agony of imperialist invasions…The rampaging Benin armies sacked Ogotun, Aramoko, some subordinate communities of Ijero, Ado communities such as Are, Afao, Ugbo (now Ilu) Omoba and Agbado and settled a large percentage of the haul of captives therefrom in Ikere, their garrison post. Benin armies constantly waged wars of external aggressions on Ekitiland and other communities in different parts of old Ondo State in their quest for territorial expansion and control, among others. A good reference point is the Ado-Ikere relations that resulted to Benin pillage and attacks on Ado-Ekiti on several occasion. Olomola (1984:2-3) noted that Benin armies invaded parts of Ado kingdom a few times between 1500 and 1815.. Olomola further asserted that the Ewi actually devise a strategy of evacuating his capital city so that the Benin armies would not disturb the Ewi and the rest of his people in their new site. Odo which was, before the Benin invasion a town of considerable size, broke up as the people sought the safety of rocky and forest recesses and Uyin and Igede lost part of their population in their fight against Benin in 1815. The development of the Ado Kingdom was seriously affected by external invasion. These resulted in series of demographic upheavals with settlements constantly moved from one site to another. The most serious of these external invasions were by the "Edo" of Benin. They attacked and destroyed many settlements…in the Ado Kingdom… The Edos were invited by Ogoga, the third time the Edos were so invited to settle the quarrel between Ado and Ikere. The line of action they resolved to adopt was to bring all the villages under the ewi to Ikere, settle them there and in this way Ikere would be equal or even bigger than Ado. Ado would then be afraid of Ikere. The Benin soldiers came and sent words to the Ewi Aroloye… He refused to surrender. He did not in any way show that he was not ready for fight. Every town or village under him except Ijan were prepared to fight… Every town or village under him (Ewi) except Ijan were prepared to fight… The Benin soldiers stormed Igbara-Odo and Ilawe and took them. At this time, Ado town had been vacated. Aroloye took the people to a place called Oke Oko Axis between Ifaki and Iworoko. Most of the gods Ado worshipped on that side: Olua at Eyio, Obanifon at Esure and Are, Ogbese and Orisala at Iworoko. The soldiers pitched their camps near Uyin (Iyin)…Ogbesi Okun, the then Oluyin …was conquered and killed. They proceeded to Igede, Awo and Esure and took them. The inhabitants of Igede then uder Okiribiti were driven in a north-easternly direction to a place called Oke Asha…Edo troops then marched to Iworoko…The soldiers entered Are…The same fate befell Afao. They were all taken to Ikere. The soldiers moved to Igbemo …entered Igbo-Omoba (now Ilu-Omoba)…The soldiers left Aisegba for Agbado and without delay took it and evacuated the people. Agbado was the last place under the Ewi. With the conquest, of Agbado, the soldiers seemed to have finished their job…’ Ewi Idagunmodo (1696-1710), Ewi Okinbaloye Aritawekun (1710-1722), Ewi Amono Ola (1722-1762), Ewi Afunbiowo (1762-1781), Ewi Akulojuorun (1781-1808), Ewi Aroloye (1808-1836) who reigned at Ado but were attacked successively by Benin hordes…‘During the reign of Ewi Aroloye, Ado-Ewi’s kingdom witnessed massive dislocation across the terrain as town dwellers and villagers ran for safety in different directions. Many of the captives from Iworoko, Are, Afao, Ugboomoba (now Ilumoba) and Agbado were taken to Ukere by Benin invaders’." 3 Likes |
| Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by Ideadoctor(m): 9:16pm On Dec 31, 2020 |
EdoDefence:it is a fool that quote proverb with a language that is listener does not hear, it is like pouring expensive soup on the floor |
| Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by AntiBalogunodua: 9:17pm On Dec 31, 2020 |
[s] Ideadoctor:[/s] |
| Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by Ideadoctor(m): 9:31pm On Dec 31, 2020 |
The day you worms will physically claim Lagos not with mouth,that is when I will believe you are sons of warriors not slaves,but if you can't,you are slaves sons of slaves,you claim imperialism,I laugh, even slaves desires to be in the place of the master,look around fools,we ain't your mate,we lead,you follow, aju yin lo ni,ki she ni kekere,eyin alainiran 1 Like |
| Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by AntiBalogunodua: 9:35pm On Dec 31, 2020 |
[s] Ideadoctor:[/s] |
| Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by EdoDefence: 9:37pm On Dec 31, 2020 |
Ideadoctor: We haven't gone anywhere and you are already insulting. That is not a good way to begin |
| Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by EdoDefence: 9:38pm On Dec 31, 2020 |
Ideadoctor: You're really taking this far, you spill hatred for Benins. You should quit this insults. If you must show you hate us then do it like a man, gather an army and match for Benin. |
| Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by Nobody: 9:39pm On Dec 31, 2020 |
nocomment9999: 1 Like
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| Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by Nobody: 9:41pm On Dec 31, 2020 |
Guys, use the parts of the videos which are referenced. This guy has already done the job. I don't need to get myself tired. I can go back to writing my paper. Perharps it is time to make a topic on yoruba true history with references such as in the videos. Also add all the proofs I gave. The yoruba don't like history, they are interested in destroying history, not discovering it. True history puts them to shame, so they must destroy it and claim other people's history. You must show them their true history. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llporKrPsbU&t=1662s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2hU-ibkPfg Etinosa1234 AreaFada2 Samuk Valirex Davidnazee gregyboy |
| Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by Ideadoctor(m): 9:56pm On Dec 31, 2020 |
EdoDefence:i didn't insult you,I only answer you with proverb |
| Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by Nobody: 10:13pm On Dec 31, 2020 |
1) oduduwa never existed. he is the product of a fairytale made in the 1930's. |
| Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by Nobody: 10:20pm On Dec 31, 2020 |
PORNeIlusHUBson: You are half falling into his web of lies. the talk about "praise names" is incredibly ridiculous as you noted. Soon it will be about the "water name", the fairy name, the juju name, the spiderman name ... the entire talk makes no sense. even the expression "praise name" makes no sense. You have to understand this: the yoruba are defending and promoting a lie, you can not prove a lie in a consistent system. So the yoruba must bring arguments which are not logical: 1) fairytales 2) made up expresions like "praise name" (what is your king's praise name ?). 3) citing of texts which are unavailable for you to see and/or scrutinize. 4) claims of texts writtten in arabic stating such and such... ... 6) their arguments are never rational because you can't prove a lie in a consistent system, so you need to introduce absurdities in your logical system in order to prove a lie. Oba of Benin's praise name is: "the first ooni of ife was the last son of the first dog of the chief priest of Oba Adolo". My praise name: "the oni of ife is a dirty dog, priest of dogs" |
| Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by Nobody: 10:38pm On Dec 31, 2020 |
Proof theory would do a lot of good. I urge everybody to learn proof theory. |
| Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by Nobody: 10:46pm On Dec 31, 2020 |
My computer's praise name: " the ooni (the original spelling is oni, but ...) is a faggott, son of a faggott" |
| Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by Nobody: 10:47pm On Dec 31, 2020 |
Tarzan's praise name: "I dey bleep oni of ife" |
| Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by Nobody: 10:48pm On Dec 31, 2020 |
Spiderman's praise name: "oni of ife's papa and mama mouth na my toilet" |
| Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by Nobody: 10:56pm On Dec 31, 2020 |
Africa as witnessed by those who visited the region in the precolonial era: https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b530530714.r=Benin?rk=214593;2 https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595583b.r=Benin?rk=193134;0 No revisionist bullshit
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| Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by Nobody: 10:59pm On Dec 31, 2020 |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1_04eku2jQ yoruba simpleton: Edo Man, how do you praise the emperor Edo man: "Oba Ghatokpere". yoruba simpleton: But you must have an obscure praise name for your king which you yourself don't know, but I whom has never been to the capital of Benin empire and who confuses Benin empire with Benin city (which is the capital of Benin empire) and has no relative whom is a Benin duke, I know it better than you through my magical oduduwa powers ? Right ? |
| Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by PORNeIlusHUBson: 11:14pm On Dec 31, 2020 |
samuk: Source? |
| Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by samuk: 11:55pm On Dec 31, 2020 |
PORNeIlusHUBson: 2 Likes
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| Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by samuk: 11:55pm On Dec 31, 2020 |
PORNeIlusHUBson:. |
| Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by TAO11(f): 12:40am On Jan 01, 2021 |
samuk:First of all, there is no such thing as “Izoduwa”, “Idoduwa”, “Imadoduwa”, or “Omonoyan” in Benin oral tradition. These are only present in Benin forged stories which were invented in the 1970s. I would clarify. Historians, for example, name these forged stories [of “Izoduwa”, “Idoduwa”, “Imadoduwa”, or “Omonoyan”] as the Benin “deliberately unauthentic” stories. Do historians regard these stories as forgery simply because they woke up on the wrong side of the bed feeling that way? Obviously not.  These [“Izoduwa”, “Idoduwa”, “Imadoduwa”, or “Omonoyan”] stories are found to be forgeries for the simple reason that much earlier documented Benin tradition debunks these stories. For example, some eighty (80) years before these [“Izoduwa”, “Idoduwa”, “Imadoduwa”, or “Omonoyan”] stories were invented, Mr. Cyril Punch had documented the Benin tradition about Ekaladerhan. Mr Cyril Punch’s documentation of the tradition about Ekaladerhan around the year 1889 (and quoted in Roth 1903) shows categorically that Ekaladerhan has absolutely nothing to do with Ife. The beginning and ending of the Ekaladerhan episode from Mr Cyril Punch’s documentation as quoted in H. L. Roth, 1903, pp. 53-54. is as follows: Ekaladerhan fled Benin due to a grave scandal; he then founded the kingdom of Ughoton; he ultimately reached a mutual solemn compromise with Benin, namely that: His “independent sovereignty” is allowed at his new kingdom of Ughoton, but he was not to return to Benin again. Following this documentation of the Benin episode of Ekaladerhan (which shows both his independent sovereignty at Ughoton and his truce with Benin); Chief Egharevba also grew up to independently collect the same tradition about Ekaladerhan some fifty (50) years after Punch. It took another 80+ years after Punch for some Bini ‘miscreants’ (Omoregie 1970, Edebiri 1970, Akenzua 1971, and Iyare 1973) to to attempt a reversal of the already documented Benin episode of Ekaladerhan. The first of these Bini ‘miscreants’ equates Ekaladerhan as one and the same person with Oranmiyan. However, those who followed his lead thought it was better to equate him with Oduduwa instead. Not minding their revisions’ external contradictions with Egharevba’s older documentation (and with Punch’s much older documentation); these Bini ‘miscreants’ couldn’t name a single informant of their strange claims, neither could they cite a source of information. Having exposed the forgery of the [“Izoduwa”, “Idoduwa”, “Imadoduwa”, or “Omonoyan” stories; it is noteworthy to mention what the classical Benin oral tradition says about the person of Oduduwa himself prior to the 1970s Benin forgeries. The official Benin tradition collected by Chief Egharevba from Benin (particularly from Benin court) decades before the just debunked 1970s forgeries has it in summary as follows: Benin’s rulers, prior to the present dynasty, were known as the Ogiso. This earlier monarchy came to an end when its last ruler, Ogiso Owodo, was banished by the people for misrule and cruelty. His only heir to the throne, Ekaladerhan, who would have succeeded him had earlier fled a grave scandal to Ughoton where he lived and died having being under a solemn concession of never stepping foot in Benin again. The Binis then decided to set up a ‘republican form government’ with a native commoner Evian as the leader of the Binis. At his old age, Evian unilaterally names his son ‘Ogiamien’ (aka. ‘Ogiamwen’) to be his successor as the Benin leader after him. The Benin elders reacted to Evian’s unilateral decision and abuse of power by dispatching an embassy to Ife in the Yoruba country asking the Ooni to send one of his sons to Benin because as Chief Egharevba puts it: “Things were getting from bad to worse and the people saw that there was need for a capable ruler.” The Bini elders called upon Ife for “a capable ruler” as their last argument in their struggle against Evian and Ogiamien et al., and as a return to the beginnings in which the Ogiso foundation itself was set by Ife. Oranmiyan was eventually sent from Ife accompanied by several courtiers. He had a son, Eweka, born to him by the daughter of the Onogie of Ego. He stayed only a few years but requested that his baby son be installed as oba in his stead whenever the boy becomes grown enough. It is further said in this received traditions that there was no serious resistance throughout his stay (and during his son’s reign up to the third reign) since the Evian-Ogiamie faction still held sway in the city, while he (Oranmiyan) was based at Usama – the part of the city where his hosts (the Bini Elders) resided. It is received that real confrontation and resistance from the Evian-Ogiame faction began during the fourth reign when Ewedo decided to move the seat of his government from Usama to the site of the present palace. The Evian-Ogiamien faction was said in the received traditions to be defeated in the course of this struggle and Ewedo was able to consolidate his hold on the city and hence the throne. Refer to: J. Uwadiae Egharevba, A Short History of Benin, 1968, pp. 1-10. This is an English edition of the earlier Edo publication released in 1934. Enough of the Oral history above because it's nothing but a fantastic myths to the average Benin person. Like every society, Benin also have her myths and this is one of them.LOL! First of all, as I have demonstrated above, the “Izoduwa”, “Idoduwa”, “Imadoduwa”, or “Omonoyan” stories are forgeries NOT for the incoherent and meaningless reason you’ve mentioned here. No! They are forgeries for a separate reason – a coherent and meaningful reason. They are forgeries because the documented accounts from Benin which predates them by 80+ years exposes them to be so. Benin rather dwells on real history because Benin is full of history. Yoruba don't have history, so they relish myths and they try to present their myths as history to the less informed.You mean that Benin would rather dwell on its absolute absence of contemporaneous textual evidence to substantiate the existence of your fathers & heroes such as: Eweka 1, Ewedo, Oguola, Ewuare 1, Ezoti, Olua, Ozolua, Esigie, Orhogbua, Ehengbuda, and several others?? Wonderful!!  All that Benin history have as evidence to prove the existence of these personages are the multiple oral traditions which name these persons and claim that they existed. There is zero contemporaneous textual evidence to substantiate their existence. Now, do you still insist on the laughably ignorant and meaningless claim that oral traditional accounts are nOtHiNg bUt mYtHs?? Or have you made up your mind to continue to rELiSh mYtHs aS hIsTorY?? Lol! Cc: Ideadoctor, Obalufon, Newton85, Balogunodua, babtoundey, sesan85 7 Likes 4 Shares |
| Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by TAO11(f): 12:59am On Jan 01, 2021 |
samuk:I’m not sure why you need the Yorubas to prove or disprove a claim made by your own daddies. Listen lad, it was your Bini daddies who insisted adamantly to the Europeans that they had connections with Ife, with the Ooni, and with the Yoruba country in general. It wasn’t the other way around. Moreover, nowhere have I ever read that the Yorubas forced your daddies at gun point to narrate such account. So, you may choose to throw your Obas under the bus as usual. I really don't care. Call them sell outs and insecure for all I care. It wasn’t the Yorubas forcing them is the point. Yoruba history that started in 1824 when the Europeans first visited Oyo needs Benin history desperately to backdate their history to the 1100s through the fabricated Benin/Ife relationshipHELLO! I guess your confusion and insecurity hit an all-time high as you were typing this particular comment.  Lagos was documented by the Portuguese in the late 1400s; the Ijebus around the same period; the Itsekiris around the same period; the Oyos in the 1700s by the Governor of the Cape-Coast Castle. I guess in your warped brain these Yoruba subgroups are Bini people. Moreover, Ife was documented by name in Ibn Battuta’s Travels in the 1300s at a period when Benin, as expected, cannot possibly be noticed. This remains an eternal source of irreversible despair for you. Swallow it. Furthermore, Benin historical literature (writing) did not begin in the 1100 in case that’s what you’re fraudulently implying here. It didn’t begin until in the late 1400s — that is, right after Lagos had just featured in writing, and about the same time as when Ijebu-Ode and Itsekiri was featuring. In other words, more than a hundred years after Ife had already featured in writing in the 1300s. This was a grand conspiracy against the Igbos because it gives the Yoruba history an illegitimate legitimacy above Igbo history.Igbos?? Lies have failed you, hence your attempt at trying your hand on “public discord” – perhaps that may sell. Loser! Well, no matter the quantum of emotional blackmail and public discord you attempt, the irreversible damage has already been done and the truth has been unveiled. Both the Igbos and the Yorubas have repeatedly testified to identifying your Obas for who they are – Yoruba men from Ife. Yoruba people as we know them today began in 1808 through the amalgamation of freed and returnee slaves with the negro of south western Nigeria.Your comment here must be due to either of the following, or both: (A) You failed to receive the basic education required to recognize the significance of the word “returnee”. OR (B) You are perpetually but hurt that your Edo daddies and mommies who were sold by Ibadan raiders never regained their freedom. Moreover, returnees were resettled from the Americas back to their home regions -- specifically to the colonies of Sierra Leone and of Liberia. While many of them established their new homes in these colonies, a number of them decided to move back to their respective homelands in other parts of West Africa and Central Africa from where they had originally left. Having debunked your fiction, the following is a direct refutation of the 1808 date which you also wove into your fiction: Reference to the ethno-linguistic group of people called Yoruba appears in at least one of the early 1600s essays of the Timbuktu scholar, Ahmad Baba. The embedded screenshot below shows page 39 of the English translation of Ahmad Baba’s replies on slavery which he entitled “Mi‘rāj al-Su‘ūd”. www.nairaland.com/attachments/12916030_35bd589040034203aa5d7d687c1da64a_jpeg_jpeg5d6dcb71a92c88b75b7bd3b5b6f4593f www.nairaland.com/attachments/12916031_bce6e5f2e3254df19e5858797b6be638_jpeg_jpega9555b89c3b33922d09a96bffaab55da This specific translation shown here is by John Hunwick and Fatima Harrak for the Institute of African Studies Rabat, Morocco – this is part of the ongoing preservation effort for his corpus of old Arabic manuscripts. The link below shows more pages of this particular translation of his old Arabic essay from the University of Alberta, Canada. http://www.artsrn.ualberta.ca/amcdouga/Hist347/autumn%202012/additional%20readings/ahmad_baba.pdf Moreover, the embedded screenshot below shows the actual folio from where the translators have done their translation — showing the list of the ethno-linguistic groups, with Baba’s Arabic original of the name “Yoruba” particularly highlighted. www.nairaland.com/attachments/12924497_5f8c8fcd48c848d2b88df144cbb2812c_jpeg_jpegf6b00ae4ee5f6daa0c3a908bef599eb7 The link below goes to some more folios of this same manuscript where this particular folio is also present. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9b/The_Ladder_of_Ascent_in_Obtaining_the_Procurements_of_the_Sudan-_Ahmad_Baba_Answers_a_Moroccan’s_Questions_about_Slavery_WDL9661.pdf Ideadoctor, Obalufon, Newton85, Balogunodua, babtoundey, sesan85 10 Likes 4 Shares |
| Re: Oni Was A Chief Priest by Obalufon: 1:03am On Jan 01, 2021 |
[quote author=nocomment9999 post=97596950][/quote] you are just stupid with this picture that is not oni picture.Ibos with their dirty hairy ass 1 Like |
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