See as person Jus dey throw insult ... E nor surprise me Sha... Na Yoruba person... E go com from Ibadan... Na them Sabi insult without giving sensible points

I swear that ban sweet me die.......

Him body don calm down...

If anybody do anyhow ... Dem go ban am... Na me be The New mod here

PORNeIlusHUBson:


Its clear u don't even read at all... U just jump on the post and vomit like an imbe.cile

Now... I already said in my previous post that ikeji orisha is obviously a Yoruba name and the reason it was included in the post was because the author was Yoruba...

Now Benin don't even bear Ajayi or the along trash that u are posting here...

Like I said b4 Goan Play with sand...

This discussion is beyond ur mental capability... U have just been jumping from post to post and unable to construct a single point

Otenmwen Okpia we’khin

EdoDefence:


Lol if you know you're not afraid then no need for too much talk, just gather your army and come and take over the inconsequential minority

The inconsequential Edo minority has no use to me

[s]

Balogunodua:

The inconsequential Edo minority has no use to me

[/s]

Balogunodua:

The inconsequential Edo minority has no use to me

But your trolling says otherwise, you are always on Benin threads, which only means you wish to march on Benin but when you remember that Benin could put you lots shame and take over Ondo you result to trolling

PORNeIlusHUBson:


Here's my question..

are there indigenous Yoruba communities in Edo that segun comes from?

Now that u technically accept even tho u don't want to say it, are u then saying that when segun was writing the article that u are falsely tagging as the official praise, there is no probability for him to add the Yoruba words given the Fact that he could probably speak both Yoruba and Benin

Now ... U contradict ur self a lot..

U, The Ekaladerhan story is a lie because it came from an Edo website

Same u, the ikeji and the other stories are true because it came from the same website..m



When will u be sure of ur self

Yoruba pick and choose what they believe not the truth, even when the truth is right in their face, they will still find ways to say it's a lie. Didn't you see Tao saying that the publicly available channels TV interview of Oba of Lagos was doctored?

Most Nigeria now know Yoruba to be peddlers of false and fabricated history. Tao is too embarrassed these days to Cc her Igbo fans since I exposed her to be fraud?

PORNeIlusHUBson:


Lol... I ask again, .. are there indigenous Yoruba communities in Edo that segun comes from?

Samuk... Why this guy dey dodge simple question

The question may seem simple to clever and smart people but to average Yoruba, it's as difficult as rocket science and brain surgery. Let's see if any of them can answer the simple question.

Don't be surprised if Tao decided to flood the thread with irrelevant citations and references in trying to answer this simple question because that is her modus operandi.

samuk:


Yoruba pick and choose what they believe not the truth, even when the truth is right in their face, they will still find ways to say it's a lie. Didn't you see Tao saying that the publicly available channels TV interview of Oba of Lagos was doctored?

Most Nigeria now know Yoruba to be peddlers of false and fabricated history. Tao is too embarrassed these days to Cc her Igbo fans since I exposed her to be fraud?

I watched that video... In the original channels interview, the Oba clearly says he has Benin ancestry... She knows but didn't say and had to resort to what the Oba said after that ie Benin owns lagos...

Very classic case of choosing what and what not to choose.....

I was even shocked that the owner of the Edo site was a Yoruba person who happened to be Edo person by state creation...

They disregard Ekaladerhan story and accept Ikeja orisha... From the same site

samuk:


The question may seem simple to clever and smart people but to average Yoruba, it's as difficult as rocket science and brain surgery. Let's see if any of them can answer the simple question.

Don't be surprised if Tao decided to flood the thread with irrelevant citations and references in trying to answer this simple question because that is her modus operandi.

I'm even surprised there is no citation on the official praises of the oba... I think it's internet problem...

Otherwise she'd have quoted Bondarenko, Bradbury, Cyril Punch, Roupell. Egharevba etc...

It was shocking that her only source is the same edo site she has been claiming to be a lie for the past 20 months...
Now that I disproved her site using the wrong meaning of the word and multiple videos of where the Oba was praised, she resorted to clownery and her associate to insults..... I got one banned and the other left hallucinating thinking he found Gold on nairaland by discovering my other moniker...

Its not even 24hrs and 2021 is looking exciting

If u know that u are the one i made to hallucinate, mention me for recognition

Etinosa1234:


I'm even surprised there is no citation on the official praises of the oba... I think it's internet problem...

Otherwise she'd have quoted Bondarenko, Bradbury, Cyril Punch, Roupell. Egharevba etc...

It was shocking that her only source is the same edo site she has been claiming to be a lie for the past 20 months...
Now that I disproved her site using the wrong meaning of the word and multiple videos of where the Oba was praised, she resorted to clownery and her associate to insults..... I got one banned and the other left hallucinating thinking he found Gold on nairaland by discovering my other moniker...

Its not even 24hrs and 2021 is looking exciting

If u know that u are the one i made to hallucinate, mention me for recognition

I'm even surprised there is no citation on the official praises of the oba... I think it's internet problem...

PS:
(1a) I am glad that @Etinosa1234 (who is also insecure but more conscientious than @samuk can ever be) admits that there is an “original” Channels interview (the one I posted).

(1b) Etinosa thus agrees with my exposition that the short version posted by Saamu already has the Oba’s disclaimers edited out.

(1c) Also Saamu’s version is from a private YouTube account rather than from Channel TV’s YouTube account considering its Rubik’s cube logo instead of the Channels TV logo.

(1d) The disclaimers edited out by Saamu are where the Oba talked about his fallibility and where he stated categorically that Lagos does not belong to Benin kingdom.

(2) Yes, Oba Akiolu (just as every Eleko from Ado till present time) have Benin ancestry because Ashipa’s wife (from whom Ado was born) is a Bini woman — while Ashipa himself is a Yoruba man as the Lagos account has resoundingly affirmed.

(3) My specific refutation of the crux of the video however is based on the fact that the Lagos account (first published over 100 years ago earlier) categorically rebuts the popular later-day Egharevba claims which the Oba simply reiterated perhaps unknowingly.

See below for the details of my comment once more.

samuk:
••• 6. All Oba of Lagos from present to previous sees the Oba of Benin as their royal father not the Ooni. They see themselves as Benin descendants not Ife.

FALSE!

Regarding the part of Oba Akiolu’s interview (which the Binis have clung to as a source of hope, at the expense of his disclaimers); the statement here (on a closer and more careful consideration) does not actually say what it has been assumed all along to have said.

The Oba’s specific statement in question at timestamp 5:00 of the official video (or timestamp 0:12 of the Binis edited video) says and I quote here as follows:

“The first ‘Oba’ of Lagos is a male descendant of Oba of Benin”.

To examine this statement closely and strictly as you would want us to, this specific statement does not necessarily refer to Ashipa as it has been assumed all along. It could plausibly be in respect of Ado his son.

(1) It is not uncommon that both Ado and Ashipa are often equivocally at different times regarded as the first king — just as it is not uncommon with Oranmiyan and Eweka among the Binis.

At an instant in the traditional narratives, Oranmiyan and Ashipa are each simply regarded as progenitor and not Oba. In the same breath, at other instants in the traditional narratives, each is both progenitor as well as Oba.

(2) Furthermore, the phrase Oba Akiolu used, viz. “male descendant” actually has nothing to do with what we’ve assumed it to mean all along. The phrase is not the same thing as “patrilineal descendant”.

“Male descendant” simply recognizes the child to be a descended son from an ancestor — the ancestor being a Benin Oba in this case.

Nothing is said about the son’s mother or father. The descent from the Benin Oba could have been through his own mother or through his own father, in either case of which he is still a “male descendant” of the Benin Oba.

In the light of this closer examination and scrutiny, it becomes obvious that Oba Akiolu’s reference in his own specific statement here is to Ado the son of both Ashipa (the Yoruba progenitor of the Eleko dynasty) and his Bini queen.

Having exposed the foregoing, it now becomes more obvious why Oba Akiolu could have issued a disclaimer (at timestamp 5:45 of the official version of the interview — embedded below with Channels TV logo) declaring that Lagos does not belong to Benin Kingdom.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOsp9VLRFno

In order to hide this particular disclaimer issued by the Oba, the Binis went through the stress of downloading this original video from Channels TV's YouTube page and editing out the parts containing the disclaimer.

They then proceeded to upload their edited version to a private YouTube account from where they’ve copied the YouTube link and pasted to Nairaland to further promote their business of deception. Lol.

Notice the Channels TV logo on the official and original version from Channels TV YouTube page which I posted above.

Compare that to the Rubik's cube logo on their own edited version (from their private account) as shown below.

The Benin fraud didn’t begin today, and it’s probably not ending anytime soon.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvaiC_djW8o

————————
For references to the Lagos account, see the following:

(1) Rev. J. B. Wood, Historical Notices of Lagos, West Africa, 1878.

(2) Rev. J. B. Losi, History of Lagos, 1914.

(3) and Sir Alan Burns, History of Nigeria, 1929.

I have repeatedly posted a screenshot of the relevant page from Sir Alan Burns' work on the Lagos account which is said by Robert Smith to be based on the first two.

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samuk:
••• I will like to see the original 16th century Arabic text that states Yoruba. I can get it interpreted by the Arabs around me.

@samuk, I know this is simply one of your cheap pleadings with which you seek to save face and soak in disgrace whenever it becomes unbearable.

However, I decided (for the fun of it) to painstakingly read through some of the early 1600s manuscript folios of Ahmad Baba’s “Mi‘rāj al-Su‘ūd“ in order to identify and extract the actual folio in question for you.

By so doing, I will be giving you another fresh and golden opportunity to be creative with yet another special pleading. Let’s see what you come up with this time.

As such, find embedded below the actual folio from where the translators have done their translation — showing the list of the ethno-linguistic groups; with Ahmad Baba’s Arabic original of the name “Yoruba” particularly highlighted for you.
www.nairaland.com/attachments/12924497_5f8c8fcd48c848d2b88df144cbb2812c_jpeg_jpegf6b00ae4ee5f6daa0c3a908bef599eb7

The link below goes to some more folios of this same manuscript where this particular folio is also present.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9b/The_Ladder_of_Ascent_in_Obtaining_the_Procurements_of_the_Sudan-_Ahmad_Baba_Answers_a_Moroccan’s_Questions_about_Slavery_WDL9661.pdf

Compare and contrast with the earlier translation as embedded below:

http://www.artsrn.ualberta.ca/amcdouga/Hist347/autumn%202012/additional%20readings/ahmad_baba.pdf

www.nairaland.com/attachments/12916030_35bd589040034203aa5d7d687c1da64a_jpeg_jpeg5d6dcb71a92c88b75b7bd3b5b6f4593f
www.nairaland.com/attachments/12916031_bce6e5f2e3254df19e5858797b6be638_jpeg_jpega9555b89c3b33922d09a96bffaab55da

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TAO11:
PS:
(1a) I am glad that @Etinosa1234 (who is also insecure but more conscientious than @samuk can ever be) admits that there is an “original” Channels interview (the one I posted).

(1b) Etinosa thus agrees with my exposition that the short version posted by Saamu already has the Oba’s disclaimers edited out.

(1c) Also Saamu’s version is from a private YouTube account rather than from Channel TV’s YouTube account considering its Rubik’s cube logo instead of the Channels TV logo.

(1d) The disclaimers edited out by Saamu are where the Oba talked about his fallibility and where he stated categorically that Lagos does not belong to Benin kingdom.

(2) Yes, Oba Akiolu (just as every Eleko from Ado till present time) have Benin ancestry because Ashipa’s wife (from whom Ado was born) is a Bini woman — while Ashipa himself is a Yoruba man as the Lagos account has resoundingly affirmed.

(3) My specific refutation of the crux of the video however is based on the fact that the Lagos account which comes many decades earlier categorically rebuts the popular later-day Egharevba claims which the Oba unknowingly reiterated.

See below for the details of my comment once more.

FALSE!

The only Eleko who makes such obviously erroneous claim is Oba Akiolu -- in the 21st century.

To be fair to Oba Akiolu in his interview with Channels TV (which you've fraudulently edited out the beginning and ending parts); he admits categorically that he his not infallible — go to timestamp 0:44 of the unedited version below.

He also stated categorically in the unedited version that Lagos does not belong to Benin Kingdom — go to timestamp 5:45 of the unedited version below.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOsp9VLRFno

In order to hide these two disclaimers issued by Oba Akiolu, you went through the stress of downloading this video from Channels TV's YouTube page and then went on to edit out the parts which damages your moronic propaganda.

You then proceeded to upload your edited version to your personal YouTube account from where you've copied the YouTube link and pasted it to Nairaland to further promote your business of deception. Lol.

Notice the Channels TV logo on the official and original version from Channels TV YouTube page which I posted here.

Compare that to the Rubik's cube logo on your own edited video which you posted a page or two pages earlier — this easily gives you away as a fraud.

Having exposed your fraudulent editing, the account which Oba Akiolu narrates in the video is but a reiteration of the widely circulated and unfortunately popular erroneous claims made by Chief Egharevba in the 1950s.

Chief Egharevba put forward the strange claim that the Binis infiltrated Lagos by means of imperial conquest, and that Ashipa (the first Eleko) is a Benin man — son (or grandson) of the then Oba of Benin.

On the contrary, I have repeatedly cited colonial materials from the days of Oba Akiolu’s ancestors — decades before he or Egharevba was born.

The Lagos account (as historians call it) plainly refutes Egharevba’s claims about Lagos.

It states categorically that the Binis penetrated into Lagos peacefully, and that Ashipa was a Yoruba man — one of the Awori chiefs (of Ife royal descent) from Isheri.

For references to the Lagos account, see the following:

(1) Rev. J. B. Wood, Historical Notices of Lagos, West Africa, 1878.

(2) Rev. J. B. Losi, History of Lagos, 1914.

(3) and Sir Alan Burns, History of Nigeria, 1929.

I have repeatedly posted a screenshot of the relevant page from Sir Alan Burns' work on the Lagos account which is said by Robert Smith to be based on the first two.

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Tao, you never disappoint in your skewed selected references.

The Oba clearly stated that the first oba of Lagos was a Male descendant of the Oba of Benin and all Lagos chiefs at installation must show reverence and salutes the Oba of Benin. They also have a song they sing to remind themselves that their father is from Benin.

The Oba of Lagos was very specific when he said the first Oba of Lagos was a Male descendant of Oba Benin. If you are not hearing clearly, I am sure other Nigerians don't have ear problems, they can listen for themselves.

Your references are irrelevant because the people can hear directly from the Oba of Lagos himself.

Even the video you provide says the same thing as my at time stamp 5:00.

samuk:
[s]Tao, you never disappoint in your skewed selected references.

The Oba clearly stated that the first oba of Lagos was a Male descendant of the Oba of Benin and all Lagos chiefs at installation must show reverence and salutes the Oba of Benin. They also have a song they sing to remind themselves that their father is from Benin.

The Oba of Lagos was very specific when he said the first Oba of Lagos was a Male descendant of Oba Benin. If you are not hearing clearly, I am sure other Nigerians don't have ear problems, they can listen for themselves.

Your references are irrelevant because the people can hear directly from the Oba of Lagos himself.

Even the video you provide says the same thing as my at time stamp 5:00.[/s]

And where did I claim that some statements are absent in mine (the original) but are found in yours (the edited) ??

Nay! I simply exposed you that the Oba made certain statements in mine (the original version) which you have edited out from yours (the edited version). The direct opposite.

It is interesting that the parts you edited out shows him issuing disclaimers that ultimately damages your “Benin owns Lagos” propaganda.

The Oba stated clearly in a general sense (in the unedited version) that he is not infallible. He also stated that Lagos does not belong to Benin Kingdom.

Having done the exposition of your fraudulent attempt, I proceeded to refute a specific part of his interview — particularly where he says that:

"The first Oba of Lagos is a male descendant of the Oba of Benin".

I assumed (for the sake of my refutation) that what he meant here is that Ashipa (the first Eleko) is a Benin prince — son of the Benin king, or something to the same effect.

However, the statement here (on a closer and more careful consideration) does not actually say what it has been assumed all along to have said.

The Oba’s specific statement in question at timestamp 5:00 of the official video (or timestamp 0:12 of the Binis edited video) says and I quote here as follows:

“The first ‘Oba’ of Lagos is a male descendant of Oba of Benin”.

To examine this statement closely and strictly as you would want us to, this specific statement does not necessarily refer to Ashipa as it has been assumed all along. It could plausibly be in respect of Ado his son.

(1) It is not uncommon that both Ado and Ashipa are often equivocally at different times regarded as the first king — just as it is not uncommon with Oranmiyan and Eweka among the Binis.

At an instant in the traditional narratives, Oranmiyan and Ashipa are each simply regarded as progenitor and not Oba. In the same breath, at other instants in the traditional narratives, each is both progenitor as well as Oba.

(2) Furthermore, the phrase Oba Akiolu used, viz. “male descendant” actually has nothing to do with what we’ve assumed it to mean all along. The phrase is not the same thing as “patrilineal descendant”.

“Male descendant” simply recognizes the child to be a descended son from an ancestor — the ancestor being a Benin Oba in this case.

Nothing is said about the son’s mother or father. The descent from the Benin Oba could have been through his own mother or through his own father, in either case of which he is still a “male descendant” of the Benin Oba.

In the light of this closer examination and scrutiny, it becomes obvious that Oba Akiolu’s reference in his own specific statement here is to Ado the son of both Ashipa (the Yoruba progenitor of the Eleko dynasty) and his Bini queen.

Having exposed the foregoing, it now becomes more obvious why Oba Akiolu could have issued a disclaimer (at timestamp 5:45 of the official version of the interview — embedded below with Channels TV logo) declaring that Lagos does not belong to Benin Kingdom.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOsp9VLRFno

In order to hide this particular disclaimer issued by the Oba, the Binis went through the stress of downloading this original video from Channels TV's YouTube page and editing out the parts containing the disclaimer.

They then proceeded to upload their edited version to a private YouTube account from where they’ve copied the YouTube link and pasted to Nairaland to further promote their business of deception. Lol.

Notice the Channels TV logo on the official and original version from Channels TV YouTube page which I posted above.

Compare that to the Rubik's cube logo on their own edited version (from their private account) as shown below.

The Benin fraud didn’t begin today, and it’s probably not ending anytime soon.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvaiC_djW8o

————————
For references to the Lagos account, see the following:

(1) Rev. J. B. Wood, Historical Notices of Lagos, West Africa, 1878.

(2) Rev. J. B. Losi, History of Lagos, 1914.

(3) and Sir Alan Burns, History of Nigeria, 1929.

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TAO11:
And where did I say he didn't say that ??

Of all his claims, the specific one which is inaccurate is his statement that "The first Oba of Lagos is a male descendant of the Oba of Benin".

I made it clear that such claim was noting but a reiteration of the 1950s Benin account propagated and popularized by Chief Egharevba.

I debunked the statement with evidence by citing the Lagos account which has been in existence in the days of his ancestors decades before him or Chief Egharevba was conceived.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/12768161_03c5f455ca6c4a4983a0bf2594607f69_jpeg_jpegcd0c447085360c921debd85d0f8869cd

From this Lagos account attached above, it becomes clear that saluting the Oba of Benin at Enuwa on the ascension of a new Eleko is not out of place.

1. You disagree with Awujale of Ijebu version of his oral history that denies his Ife root.

2. You disagree with Oba of Lagos claim that the first Oba of Lagos is the Male descendant of Oba of Benin.

3. You disagree with Oba of Benin version of the oral history of Oduduwa that traces him to Benin.

4. You disagree with the past Ooni when he says Oduduwa climbed down from heaven with chains

5. You disagree with the current Ooni when he stated that Ooni become Egyptian God Osiris when they die.

6. You disagree with the version of Oduduwa history that traces his origin to Saudi Arabia.

7. You disagree with S. Johnson claim in his book that Ooni is the descendant of a shrine keeper.

Hope you can see a pattern in how you choose what you believe and what not to believe.

Yoruba history is full of various versions of the same myth, the confusion arises because of the lack of eyewitness historical evidence in Yoruba history/stories. Yoruba history is made up as you go. Even you can wake up one day and write your own versions as it suits your ego. This is why we argued that Yoruba don't have history but made up stories.

Yoruba have myths, tales by moonlight, folklore, folktales, stories and no history.

The Lagos history is exempted because it has a 1603 eyewitness European historical account which is older than all your recent fabricated references.

samuk:


1. You disagree with Awujale of Ijebu version of his oral history that denies his Ife root.

2. You disagree with Oba of Lagos claim that the first Oba of Lagos is the Male descendant of Oba of Benin.

3. You disagree with Oba of Benin version of the oral history of Oduduwa that traces him to Benin.

4. You disagree with the past Ooni when he says Oduduwa climbed down from heaven with chains

5. You disagree with the current Ooni when he stated that Ooni become Egyptian God Osiris when they die.

6. You disagree with the version of Oduduwa history that traces his origin to Saudi Arabia.

7. You disagree with S. Johnson claim in his book that Ooni is the descendant of a shrine keeper.

Hope you can see a pattern in how you choose what you believe and what not to believe.

Yoruba history is full of various versions of the same myth, the confusion arises because of the lack of eyewitness historical evidence in Yoruba history/stories. Yoruba history is made up as you go. Even you can wake up one day and write your own versions as it suits your ego. This is why we argued that Yoruba don't have history but made up stories.

Yoruba have myths, tales by moonlight, folklore, folktales, stories and no history.

The Lagos history is exempted because it has a 1603 eyewitness European historical account which is older than all your recent fabricated references.

It's in their blood

LMAO! The rate at which you’re running out of ideas lately is frighteningly alarming.

samuk:

1. You disagree with Awujale of Ijebu version of his oral history that denies his Ife root.

because his ancestors disagree with him.

[I have evidence]

2. You disagree with Oba of Lagos claim that the first Oba of Lagos is the Male descendant of Oba of Benin.

No I didn’t as I have come to find that he doesn’t support the Benin narrative.

[I have evidence]

3. You disagree with Oba of Benin version of the oral history of Oduduwa that traces him to Benin.

because both his ancestors and historians disagree with him.

[I have evidence]

4. You disagree with the past Ooni when he says Oduduwa climbed down from heaven with chains

I agree with them because this a religious narrative.

On the fact that human beings don’t literally pop out from the sky,

[I have evidence]

5. You disagree with the current Ooni when he stated that Ooni become Egyptian God Osiris when they die.

I agree with him to the extent of the Ife religious belief that all nations and persons descend from Ife.

For the existence of this Ife belief,

[I have evidence]

Just for information sake, Benin has an equivalent of such belief.

[I have evidence]

6. You disagree with the version of Oduduwa history that traces his origin to Saudi Arabia.

because historians have traced this narration to have originally emerged from Hausa-Fulanis, rather than Yorubas.

[I have evidence]

7. You disagree with S. Johnson claim in his book that Ooni is the descendant of a shrine keeper.

because historians (one of whom you indicated that you trust) have demonstrated that such statements are forged relatively recently for the purpose of political propaganda.

[I have evidence]

Hope you can see a pattern in how you choose what you believe and what not to believe

The pattern of sticking with reality, and leaving out what isn’t — using evidence as the guiding light.

Yes, I know this causes you so much grief and sorrow. Learn to live with it.

Yoruba history is full of various versions of the same story, the confusion arises because of the lack of eyewitness historical evidence in Yoruba history. Yoruba history is made up as you go. Even you can wake up one day and write your own versions as it suits your ego. This is why we argued that Yoruba don't have history but made up stories.

because virtually all histories (including those of Benin kingdom) have multiple versions of the same episode.

[I have evidence]

And that’s why we have historians to do their job. And they’ve been awesome!

The Lagos history is exempted because it has a European 1603 eyewitness historical accounts which is older than all your recent fabricated references.

And this 1603 report does NOT disagree with the Lagos account in the slightest detail.

It says nothing about the roots of the first Eleko [the Eleko dynasty is, in fact, yet to begin at the time].

It also says nothing about how the Bini immigrants came to originally settle-in into Lagos — by peaceful negotiation with the natives, or by warfare/conquest?

Nothing was said in the report about their coming.

[I have evidence]

On a low-key; I love this summary.

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EdoDefence posted=97620091:


But your trolling says otherwise, you are always on Benin threads, which only means you wish to march on Benin but when you remember that Benin could put you lots shame and take over Ondo you result to trolling

Me on Benin thread Your coward brothers keep creating threads about Yoruba to spread their lies..but guess what? they got disgraced and their ancestors were squashed in the mud like unwanted rotten oranges..

mushroom Edo State..I laugh in Congo your ancestors were disgraced over and over again and all you could come up with is Benin take over Ondo....ehehe...Benin that was overrun by biafrans in a day

Balogunodua:

Me on Benin thread Your coward brothers keep creating threads about Yoruba to spread their lies..but guess what? they got disgraced and their ancestors were squashed in the mud like unwanted rotten oranges..

mushroom Edo State..I laugh in Congo your ancestors were disgraced over and over again and all you could come up with is Benin take over Ondo....ehehe...Benin that was overrun by biafrans in a day

I laugh in Portuguese.. Edo clown... The Benin came to Lagos Island through the Portuguese

samuk:


Tao, you never disappoint in your skewed selected references.

The Oba clearly stated that the first oba of Lagos was a Male descendant of the Oba of Benin and all Lagos chiefs at installation must show reverence and salutes the Oba of Benin. They also have a song they sing to remind themselves that their father is from Benin.

The Oba of Lagos was very specific when he said the first Oba of Lagos was a Male descendant of Oba Benin. If you are not hearing clearly, I am sure other Nigerians don't have ear problems, they can listen for themselves.

Your references are irrelevant because the people can hear directly from the Oba of Lagos himself.

Even the video you provide says the same thing as my at time stamp 5:00.

Nor mind am

She thinks we didnt watch the video...

Lets use her logic...

Oba of Lagos said that the first oba is Benin ...

Whether Tao likes it or not, the Oba has said his roots already...

They should Goan settle their internal problem

work on the Lagos account which is said by Robert Smith to be based on the first two.

Cc: Obalufon, Ideadoctor, Balogunodua, babtoundey, sesan85[/quote] Today I must confess to you Tao11, I like you,walahi,your intelligence and scholarlistical tendencies are amazing, each time I come to comment on this trend and I see your write up,I will just smile and relax, Tao11 had tackle them,without even seeing you,your write up made fall for you,lest I get too naughty,let me stop here,in as much you are still on nairaland, my own comments would not be much,because you are reliable, especially now that school is resuming, unilorin no be joke

samuk:


1. You disagree with Awujale of Ijebu version of his oral history that denies his Ife root.

2. You disagree with Oba of Lagos claim that the first Oba of Lagos is the Male descendant of Oba of Benin.

3. You disagree with Oba of Benin version of the oral history of Oduduwa that traces him to Benin.

4. You disagree with the past Ooni when he says Oduduwa climbed down from heaven with chains

5. You disagree with the current Ooni when he stated that Ooni become Egyptian God Osiris when they die.

6. You disagree with the version of Oduduwa history that traces his origin to Saudi Arabia.

7. You disagree with S. Johnson claim in his book that Ooni is the descendant of a shrine keeper.

Hope you can see a pattern in how you choose what you believe and what not to believe.

Yoruba history is full of various versions of the same myth, the confusion arises because of the lack of eyewitness historical evidence in Yoruba history/stories. Yoruba history is made up as you go. Even you can wake up one day and write your own versions as it suits your ego. This is why we argued that Yoruba don't have history but made up stories.

Yoruba have myths, tales by moonlight, folklore, folktales, stories and no history.

The Lagos history is exempted because it has a 1603 eyewitness European historical account which is older than all your recent fabricated references.

E nor suppose surprise u... Someone that believes an edo site (that she has countless claimed to be a lie ) as against the numerous videos that disprove her...

Can anyone be more confusing as that?

samuk:



I'm even surprised there is no citation on the official praises of the oba... I think it's internet problem...

Bro let's bet money... Before 2moro morning, we'll see a reference to an 1842 work where a Benin chief praised the Oba as, ikeji orisha
...


We just have to be patient......

By 12 midnight the page go load... We just have to wait

Ideadoctor:
Today I must confess to you Tao11, I like you,walahi,your intelligence and scholarlistical tendencies are amazing, each time I come to comment on this trend and I see your write up,I will just smile and relax, Tao11 had tackle them,without even seeing you,your write up made fall for you,lest I get too naughty,let me stop here,in as much you are still on nairaland, my own comments would not be much,because you are reliable, especially now that school is resuming, unilorin no be joke

Thank you.

TAO11:
Thank you.

please just make sure you wipe those boys well,I like fierce women

Ideadoctor:
please just make sure you wipe those boys well,I like fierce women

Okay.

But please make sure to keep some of those materials (if not all) for your record.

You WILL need them. I know these people. You WILL need them.

NB: These are arguments that keeps the staunchest liars quiet.

Balogunodua:

Me on Benin thread Your coward brothers keep creating threads about Yoruba to spread their lies..but guess what? they got disgraced and their ancestors were squashed in the mud like unwanted rotten oranges..

mushroom Edo State..I laugh in Congo your ancestors were disgraced over and over again and all you could come up with is Benin take over Ondo....ehehe...Benin that was overrun by biafrans in a day

You know it's funny how when we go ballistic on your miserable Ancestors seun and the useless mods run to ban us but when it's the Yar!ba cone heads insult us it fine by the mods.
Am not surprised Nairaland was made by a Yar!ba so I understand why he sides his fellow cone heads

TAO11:
Okay.

But please make sure to keep some of those materials (if not all) for your record.

You WILL need them. I know these people. You WILL need them.

NB: These are arguments that keeps the staunchest liars quiet.

sure, I will do that

Tao is obviously not in the same league with these edo folks. Lmao

Tyrant28:
Tao is obviously not in the same league with these edo folks. Lmao

Flesh and blood did not reveal this to you. /s