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There was a time last year or the year before, when the presidency or some ministers were talking about bringing history back into school curiculum in nigeria. Soon after, some "monarchs" from the south-west jumped to the press and claimed that they should not teach history if the history is going to tell their children that they descended from slaves.

gregyboy:
The popular MelesZenawi has accepted fate, if MelesZenawi i know, would accept some fact on benin influence in some ibos,

Who are the new Inconsequential ibo peeps, just joining in, some are not even aware bini once had
History with igbos, even if history is taught in basic level, tribalism would not let them teach history as it is, they would rather teach them the civil war than their cultural history


So you see most are educationally messsd up already


I was debating with an igala peeps in the benin - igala war thread created 2yrs back, can you imagine igala people were Making comments that the history writing out on the thread was never with the benins but rather nupe,

Untill i had to take time and school them, that the nupe igala war happened after the benin igala war
These are the people who marvels at the two princess who sacrificed their life, for their existence but yet they cant even tell their history correctly


You see why the edo reorientation is endless

One of my happiest moments in debating edo history throughout mt time is that i finally found out the niche between the benin-ife relationship to be s liar which am still holding onto


The other debate am doing is to kill time, and am basically turning this my account to a benin research one, when am done i will abandon it for a fresh account and venture for general thread

nocomment9999:
There was a time last year or the year before, when the presidency or some ministers were talking about bringing history back into school curiculum in nigeria. Soon after, some "monarchs" from the south-west jumped to the press and claimed that they should not teach history if the history is going to tell their children that they descended from slaves.

Lol , they better start accepting their fate as slaves black Americans were once slaves too

TAO11:


www.nairaland.com/attachments/12959430_5d03fc059d6b4a128c56e7c7bbc29a28_jpeg_jpeg983a9e798585f976e623727f66ba6db1

Cc: IDENNAA, Obalatule, Ofunwa111, pazienza, Afam4eva, ariesbull, MelesZenawi

lol

TsaTrinity:
Really i finished 2011.
What year did you finish

2013, you should be in inframe set then, the guy who stabbed iymah inside the school hostel

Ofunwa111:
How can I believe he is Anioma ? He his clearly Oza Nagogo; slaves to the Benin Oba who is of Yoruba Ancestry.


Obi of Issele Uku - Language? Igbo, Names? Igbo, Praise names? Igbo.

Ooni of Ife - Language? Yoruba, Names? Yoruba, Praise names? Yoruba..

Oba of Benin- Language? Bini, Names? Bini, Praise names? Yoruba and Bini.


Find it Below.

[s]Ovbi’ Adimila
The son of Adimila

Ikeji Orisa
Second in command to the gods

Agbaghe, N’Ovbi Olokun
Olokun’s son, the cynosure of all mortals

Abieyuwa N’Ovbi Odua N’uhe
The son of the wealthy Odua of Uhe(Ife).[/s]


P.S

We have the pictures and details of the treaty just incase you want to deny.

Trash... I can post 5 videos for u where the Oba was praised and those useless word u mentioned wasn't called...
So u believe that a Benin person born and bred in Benin land will speak words that he doesn't understand to praise the oba?

Besides Whyy isn't the praise name of the Ooni and obi not recorded in one site?...

Stop regurgitating what u saw on a site

nocomment9999:
You did a lot of good works, we have both had arguments in the passed and we don't allways agree on how to approach things, but you have done a great work. Don't delete the account. Abandone it if you may, but if you delete it, a lot of the work would become harder for people to see.
Under hystoryworld account for example, I was basically schooling a lot of these lunatics as if they were toddlers (4 years ago). Since I deleted the account, it is hard to get to those comments.

Yea bro

IDENNAA:
They are desperate, grasping at straws because everything screams Igbo even the Edo wannabes. You need to understand that when people make these claims of being a warrior tribe and it so happens that closer observations reveal you were just a mushroom village with a head who took guns in exchange for slaves to terrorize your neighbors it could be very shameful and embarrassing. Bini people have no elegance , grace nor royal mannerisms.

Can you imagine your blindness on benin history
The Portuguese never sold guns to benin till the Benin-Portugal relationship ended late 16 to early 17 century when various European were aporoved to come trade in west africa removing Portuguese once had economic monopoly in west africa,
We already had an empire before the arrival of the Portuguese neither during their stay did they sell guns to us

Benins sold already made, clothes to Portuguese which they sold in Ghana, and dahomey, we sold oli, pepper, this was enough to make benin rich and not selling of slaves,

Yes we sold slaves to the Portuguese, neither did we capture those slaves with guns but local weapons by early 17 century benin began having guns from the dutch who were willing to sell to all africans who needed it,

Benin also ended slave trading 200 years earlier before it was worldwide abolish

gregyboy:
The popular MelesZenawi has accepted fate, if MelesZenawi i know, would accept some fact on benin influence in some ibos,

Who are the new Inconsequential ibo peeps, just joining in, some are not even aware bini once had
History with igbos, even if history is taught in basic level, tribalism would not let them teach history as it is, they would rather teach them the civil war than their cultural history


So you see most are educationally messsd up already


I was debating with an igala peeps in the benin - igala war thread created 2yrs back, can you imagine igala people were Making comments that the history writing out on the thread was never with the benins but rather nupe,

Untill i had to take time and school them, that the nupe igala war happened after the benin igala war
These are the people who marvels at the two princess who sacrificed their life, for their existence but yet they cant even tell their history correctly


You see why the edo reorientation is endless

One of my happiest moments in debating edo history throughout mt time is that i finally found out the niche between the benin-ife relationship to be s liar which am still holding onto


The other debate am doing is to kill time, and am basically turning this my account to a benin research one, when am done i will abandon it for a fresh account and venture for general thread

There is one idiot on the thread saying that Benin needs population. Benin that historically wanted vassals to keep their language but be under rulers, elite and nobility from Benin. Benin welcomed talented people but never ever wanted to dilute Beniness by just making every dick and harry Benin.

Benin only wanted very distinguished people through their talent, bravery at war or other extraordinary services to Benin were readily assimilated. Something also common to ancient empires, whether Egypt, Persian, Greek or Roman.

Infact Benin already practiced special skills migrant policy centuries ago that Australia, Canada now practice and UK about to introduce again now.
Benin always preferred a harmonious and cohesive Benin core of the empire while vassals should preferably stay in their land with a measure of autonomy.

Such autonomy allowed Igbo and Yoruba parts of the empire to buy and sell themselves into slavery while trade in slavery was long banned in Benin core of the empire. A fact documented by the French explorer and slave trader Monsieur Landophe when he visited Benin in 1700s.

Thank God the Europeans came and documented history when they came. If not there won't be records now.

Benin-Idah war of 1515 was well documented by a letter written in Benin by a Portuguese to Lisbon in 1516. It still exists till today.

AreaFada2:
••• Igbo and Yoruba parts of the empire to buy and sell themselves into slavery while trade in slavery was long banned in Benin core of the empire •••

Is this one okay??

Which empire ??

Which Yoruba part ??

Is your brain retarding at the speed of light or sound ??

Do you need me to remind you of how one single platoon of Ibadan army marched on your 2by2 kingdom raiding for slaves and displacing several Edo groups ??

Do yourself the good of putting your 2by2 kingdom where it belongs — Benin and its surrounding Edo villages.

Even Ishan does not acknowledge your Oba’s sovereignty.

One of your obas was slaughtered and be-headed by an Ishan army.

Put your tiny little kingdom in its tiny little place.

Cheers!

TAO11:
Is this one okay??

Which empire ??

Which Yoruba part ??

Is your brain retarding at the speed of light or sound ??

Do you need me to remind you of how one single platoon of Ibadan army marched on your 2by2 kingdom raiding for slaves and displacing several Edo groups ??

Do yourself the good of putting your 2by2 kingdom where it belongs — Benin and its surrounding Edo villages.

Even Ishan does not acknowledge your Oba’s sovereignty.

One of your obas was slaughtered and be-headed by an Ishan army.

Put your tiny little kingdom in its tiny little place.

Cheers!

Raided your people in the fringe of edo state



Eshan slaying our oba was that meant to be a troll, because esan are binis

You making such statements makes it look like esan are different people from benin



Am still waiting for my answers ooo


Afc ryder later works
Another picture depicting such markings in a benin man face...

Or else you're a fool

gregyboy:
Raided your people in the fringe of edo state



Eshan slaying our oba was that meant to be a troll, because esan are binis

You making such statements makes it look like esan are coward yorubas we sold as slaves



Am still waiting for my answers ooo


Afc ryder later works
Another picture depicting such markings in a benin man face...

Or else you're a fool

Obviously the person you responded is desperately seeking for attention.
The best reply to that mentally ill scam artist is indifference.

Oba of Benin in Esanland:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MqF5JhgX0g

Oba of Benin in Esanland:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSEOJZ3ixDY

gregyboy:
Raided your people in the fringe of edo state



Eshan slaying our oba was that meant to be a troll, because esan are binis

You making such statements makes it look like esan are coward yorubas we sold as slaves



Am still waiting for my answers ooo


Afc ryder later works
Another picture depicting such markings in a benin man face...

Or else you're a fool

She doesn't want to agree that Benin added parts of eastern Yoruba states to the kingdom...

She still doesn't believe the Deji osupa story of how Benin removed the king

And she's talking abt raids... .. even her Oyo Empire was constantly raided by Dahomey before they were decisively defeated in an all out war...

Nigeria sef gets raided by bandits and herdsmen but they are still standing and powerful than the bandits who do hit and run

Reality deniers will soon come and say these videos are my lies.

Etinosa1234:
She doesn't want to agree that Benin added parts of eastern Yoruba states to the kingdom...

She still doesn't believe the Deji osupa story of how Benin removed the king

And she's talking abt raids... .. even her Oyo Empire was constantly raided by Dahomey before they were decisively defeated in an all out war...

Nigeria sef gets raided by bandits and herdsmen but they are still standing and maintaining their authority

If she can lie for simple history, just imagine her lieing about paternity test of her children to her husband


She is just a bi-polar patient, dont take her serious, even her own people don't only do it in the open

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=welcE5SUPIQ

These are the Igbo people whom I respect. ipob is really rubbishing Igbo image and making everybody hate Igbo, it is a pity. But ipob can't fool me.

TAO11:
@pazienza, Obalatule, RedboneSmith, Ofunwa111, IDENNAA, Afam4eva, ariesbull:

You all should stop engaging this retrograde (nocomment9999) as Anioma, because he is not. He is a Bini — a slave of the Yoruba oba of Benin.

He only impersonates on this thread as Anioma in the hope of being able to tease the frontiers of his 2 by 2 Benin chiefdom.

He knows very well that the only feasible means of achieving such goals is through lies and more lies. Hence his full-blown commitment to lying hard.

He understands very well that to propagate the Benin chiefdom with truth is like imagining a married bachelor — an inherent contradiction; hence their resort to lies and more hard lies.

Here is his picture in the attachment below. Even with the face mask, one can tell that no Anioma person can be this ugly — with his bald head and monster face. Think Obaseki, think Oshiomole, et al.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/12958587_05a4dd6b366947de98df35eac159b438_jpeg_jpeg59d4a901c8cd4e36d0dc6e6b0da535df

Cheers!

Lmao. Just after I engaged him yesterday, I saw his picture where you had posted it on another thread. I was like Holly Molly, is this who I have been wasting my time engaging? This fugly old baldie?

Teenagers who keep parading themselves pretending to be professors.
While repeating fairytales and calling proofs "lie". Your parents failed you guys.

My worse students are way smarter than you and many of my students are older than you. I am educating you pro-bono, so start showing some gratitude.
In France of all places, the government pays me good money to educate the youth, while I dash education to you lots for free.

Etinosa1234:
Trash... I can post 5 videos for u where the Oba was praised and those useless word u mentioned wasn't called...
So u believe that a Benin person born and bred in Benin land will speak words that he doesn't understand to praise the oba?

Besides Whyy isn't the praise name of the Ooni and obi not recorded in one site?...

Stop regurgitating what u saw on a site

Post it na. Do you still need my permission ? lol. It doesn't change what we already know. There was Ekiokpagha Treaty, Yoruba was spoken in the palace, His praise names are in Yoruba and Benin Language.

Benin people told us not another tribe. We stick to this!!

nocomment9999:
Obviously the person you responded is desperately seeking for attention.
The best reply to that mentally ill scam artist is indifference.

Oba of Benin in Esanland:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MqF5JhgX0g

You are right, the best strategy is to simply ignore people like her because there is no basis to compare her people's history to Benin history. Absolutely no reason to engage people whose history started in 1824, the gap is too much, to engage is to attract unnecessary insults. Areafather referenced 1700s, if anyone of them must engage, they must also reference that period in time in their history, not jumping to late 18th century over a century from the period being reference to try and score cheap points.

Imagine me referencing 1515 in Benin history and one clever by half individual is saying her people did better things in 1930, 415 years later. It doesn't make sense. When discussing history, unfortunately, Benin has no playmates to discuss it with and anyone of them that dabble into any part of Benin history pre-1800s should be ignored.

If you must acknowledge them, let it be after 1800s because this is when most of their history began. If you engage them in anything earlier than 1800s, all you will get are insults on your history while they try to sell you fabrications as history.

The eyewitness historical accounts of Benin dates back to the 1400s, why theirs dates back to 1824. Always be conscious of this fact in order not to condescend or bring yourself too low.

I had my first students in 2013, some of you were either in primary school either in nursery.
Some of my students could lecture your teachers.

samuk:
You are right, the best strategy is to simply ignore people like her because there is no basis to compare her people's history to Benin history. Absolutely no reason to engage people whose history started in 1824, the gap is too much, to engage is to attract unnecessary insults. Areafather referenced 1700s, if anyone of them must engage, they must also reference that period in time in their history, not jumping to late 18th century over a century from the period being reference to try and score cheap points.

Imagine me referencing 1515 in Benin history and one clever by half individual is saying her people did better things in 1930, 415 years later. It doesn't make sense. When discussing history, unfortunately, Benin has no playmates to discuss it with and anyone of them that dabble into any part of Benin history pre-1800s should be ignored.

If you must acknowledge them, let it be after 1800s because this is when most of their history began. If you engage them in anything earlier than 1800s, all you will get are insults on your history while they try to sell you fabrications as history.

The eyewitness historical accounts of Benin dates back to the 1400s, why theirs dates back to 1824. Always be conscious of this fact in order not to condescend or bring yourself too low.

One time I was talking about precolonial palaces and that same fool brought out a house built in the 1930's in British fashion for that matter. I ended the conversation right there, talking to highly illogical people gives me headache.

One other time I was talking about artefacts and distinguishing dug up stuff whose owners are not certain with furniture stolen from the palace of Benin empire. The retarded one resorted to saying Oba Ovonramwen's furniture was actually dug up...you just can't invent this level of stupidity.

Many of my former students have masters degree, some are PhD students right now.
And this is happening in France, not in Nigeria in which education is easy ridiculous, fraudulent and inexistant.

Ofunwa111:
Post it na. Do you still need my permission ? lol. It doesn't change what we already know. There was Ekiokpagha Treaty, Yoruba was spoken in the palace, His praise names are in Yoruba and Benin Language.

Benin people told us not another tribe. We stick to this!!

Are you high if you want to troll, dont you know your boundary

Do you even know the meaning of the word Ekiokpagha, i guess no, yet you spill it out to troll


Can you prove the Ekiokpagha treaty have anything to do with the yoruba


Can you prove benin-ife had a relationship before the 19 century after the fall of the empire

You better no were your trolling boundary lies and learn to maintain it


Please lets be guided if you want to turn this thread to a completely trolling thread let me know, or stay clear from benin personal history you know nothing about

gregyboy:
Can you prove the Ekiokpagha treaty have anything to do with the yoruba ?

Don't mind them, our ancestors didn't do treaties in the first place, we had no alphabet. Treaties were introduced by Europeans along with the European alphabets and the treaties were done between Africans and Europeans, not between Africans and Africans.

Ofunwa111:
Post it na. Do you still need my permission ? lol. It doesn't change what we already know. There was Ekiokpagha Treaty, Yoruba was spoken in the palace, His praise names are in Yoruba and Benin Language.

Benin people told us not another tribe. We stick to this!!

Can you give what you don't have? Ask yourself this simple question, how come that the Yorubas that claimed that they gave Benin a powerful Oba, didn't have any themselves. For over 400 years, 1400s till the British came, the Yoruba didn't have any Oba that was as powerful or comparable to Oba of Benin.

The Ooni of today is a political creation. Show me how many battles outside his Yoruba enclaves the Ooni fault. How many other tribes did that one that call himself imperial majesty defeated in battles and brought under the political, cultural, economic and spiritual leadership of Ife.

I ask again, can you give what you don't have?


Yoruba were not the only ones that play active role in the Benin empire, people from all over Nigeria that had something to offer were welcomed.

People from Akure, Ijaw, Orhobo, Anioma, etc, have at various times rose to the very pinnacle of Benin nobility with only a breath away from being Oba.

The current Iyase of Benin is of Delta Orhobo origin, the grandfather of the current Edo state governor was also an Iyase, he was also from Delta Anioma province of the empire. The Yoruba are only trying to overemphasis their own roles in the empire.

You can't give what you yourself didn't have. The Oyo empire was an audio empire that paid tribute and relied on Benin for military protection until the British came and took over Nigeria.


Below is how the Alaafin of Oyo described the Oba of Benin in time past.

The Alaafin in 1911 seems to have provided his own idea of the power the kings of Benin had once held, from an African (Oyo Yoruba) perspective.

Anyway, the statement from Clapperton:

1. "In the evening we had a visit from the king (Alaafin of Oyo), to thank me for the presents I had given him, and again to assure me of being welcolme; said that he wanted nothing, unless it was something that would speedily cause the submission of the rebels. He said that he had sent to his friend the king of Benin for troops to assist him in the war."

- Hugh Clapperton, Journal of a Second Expedition Into the Interior of Africa, from the Bight of Benin to Soccatoo


2. "The kingdom of Benin was so powerful that the Alafin of Oyo, the head of the Yoruba people, told a British governor that even his predecessors had to pay tribute to its king." - Asibong Akpan Okon, The evolution of self-government of Nigeria (1955), p. 36

Asibong Okon was referring to this:

"This Kingdom of Benin was at one time so powerful that the Alafin of Oyo, the head of the Yoruba people, told me that even his predecessors had to pay tribute to its King." - United Empire, Volume 2 (1911), p. 620

https://books.google.com/books?newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&id=AE45AQAAMAAJ&dq=predecessors+pay+tribute

Ofunwa111:
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Post it na. Do you still need my permission ? lol. It doesn't change what we already know. There was Ekiokpagha Treaty, Yoruba was spoken in the palace, His praise names are in Yoruba and Benin Language.

Benin people told us not another tribe. We stick to this!![/s]

Trash.... U are basically ignorant... About the fraudulent treaty u keep talking abt ignorantly... I've dealt with it here... That's if u can read and understand

As it stands, unless proven otherwise, of all the Europeans who visited benin city, there is no account that makes mention of a superior king in benin kingdom apart from the Omo n’oba n’edo. This casts first doubt at the spurious claims made by a certain Richard Arisco Osemwingie who parades himself as the ogiamen.
When the Europeans first came to benin,they were brought to the oba of benin who was perceived by all as the king and the owner of all the land. They were NOT brought to the ogiamen who himself resides in benin kingdom. This squashes the weak claim that the ogiamen is the superior of the land. When an prominent or international person visits a place, their first visit is the ruler of the land visited. From Ewuare who was visited by the first Portuguese explorer Ruy Sequeira in 1472 to the Ralph Moor who led the benin invasion. They all noted the Oba of benin as the superior leader of the land. Not a fake person that claims to be collecting rent and was satisfied with it for 800+ years. An early European account that talks about how the oba of benin is powerful says

The oba is so powerful that he can amass up to 10,000 soldiers in a day…

This shows how powerful the oba was compared to a chief who is just trying to seek relevance today by claiming to have collected rent from the oba

Having debunked the first claim of the ogiamen being a superior to the oba of which he isn’t, we move to the next point to be broken
Now the first time the word ekiokpagha was heard was in Jacob Egharevba’s book titled “Short history of Benin” where he writes

^{The ogiamen was pursued and defeated at Ekiokpagha where he surrendered and made peace with the oba}

The build-up to this story was that prior to the coming of oranmiyan, Evian son of Eholo Nire was made an administrator of benin kingdom. When he got old, he tried to install his son Ogiamen Erebo as king. This angered the chiefs who went to ife to bring oranmiyan. Oranmiyan came and left his child eweka.
When Eweka came of age, he was made king by the uzama nihiron. This angered ogiamen who raised up an army to fight against the king. He lost, surrendered and made peace with the king. There is no other conflicting accounts other than the ones the liars are throwing around for the gullible ones like u to believe.
Point no 2; Debunked!!!!!!

Now we move to the next point.

In Benin, before the use of surnames in Africa, the benin had a way of tracing family lineage and origin. This was the use of family greeting .It was said to have been started by Ogiso Ogbomo
Every indigenous benin family have their own peculiar greeting. The ogiso descendants greet delaiso. The ogiamen greet laire (this shows they are descendants of eholo nire). The Iyase family greet lavbieze, The ero family greet lamosun, the Obas descendants greet lamogun and so on. So when u want to lie that the oba is surpressing the aborigines,u would have to tell us the difference between the aborigines and the foreigners in benin kingdom since u tend to believe in your stupidity cum ignorance.
Also, this family greeting have also come to point out that the Ogiamen is not a direct descendant of the Ogisos as opposed to what u believed mischievously.

Now having debunked another of ur weak claim as to who are the aborigines of benin, we move to the next lie

According to false claim by Richard the fake ogiamen, we get to the point where he said that the treaty put a demarcation on benin land at Ekiopagha while collecting rent from the leased land. The first question a sane mind will ask is

a) if the land sold was benin land, what was extent of the remaining land not sold thereby under ogiamen influence?

b)Are there any accounts oral or written abt the history of the ogiamen kingdom?

Sadly the answers to the question is simply weak, non-existent and false.
Presently, the ogiamen doesn’t have influence in their area in sakponba road talk less of the benin kingdom at large unlike the oba of benin… This trashes another weak claim that there was ever a demarcation at benin land

Now having said all this, how do they intend to sanction the oba for not obeying a false and non-existent treaty?..

Now abt the praise that u keep mentioning ignorantly even when Benin people don't know the meaning of the word

Compare this five videos and tell if any are a bit similar or have any Yoruba words that u understand?

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DEDPxi8EPvV0&ved=2ahUKEwjep7OMtvrtAhXNSBUIHZWGAdsQwqsBMAB6BAgBEAM&usg=AOvVaw3SKBK7fGiY2cFnYA9S85qk


https://www.facebook.com/Gmoneykey/videos/626204984511335/?app=fbl



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yz0Fxyfdllc




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeOh5UqcFgk

https://mobile.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1225908530887850&id=246224025522977

Praise names are dynamic... It changes depending on the person saying... You praise God in Igbo language... Would u then say God is an Igbo man...

The fact someone (a Yoruba man) took it upon himself to write some down doesn't mean it's the only ones...

And note... The author specifically didnt say it's the official one meaning its the one he uses to praise the Oba

Meanwhile ur Obi doesn't have his own written down, should we say he doesn't get praised at all?

Etinosa1234:
Trash.... U are basically ignorant... About the fraudulent treaty u keep talking abt ignorantly... I've dealt with it here... That's if u can read and understand


Now abt the praise that u keep mentioning ignorantly even when Benin people don't know the meaning of the word

Compare this five videos and tell if any are a bit similar or have any Yoruba words that u understand?

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DEDPxi8EPvV0&ved=2ahUKEwjep7OMtvrtAhXNSBUIHZWGAdsQwqsBMAB6BAgBEAM&usg=AOvVaw3SKBK7fGiY2cFnYA9S85qk


https://www.facebook.com/Gmoneykey/videos/626204984511335/?app=fbl



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yz0Fxyfdllc




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeOh5UqcFgk

https://mobile.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1225908530887850&id=246224025522977

Praise names are dynamic... It changes depending on the person saying... You praise God in Igbo language... Would u then say God is an Igbo man...

The fact someone (a Yoruba man) took it upon himself to write some down doesn't mean it's the only ones...

And note... The author specifically didnt say it's the official one meaning its the one he uses to praise the Oba

Meanwhile ur Obi doesn't have his own written down, should we say he doesn't get praised at all?

"Praise names" is a non existent rubbish, don't get distracted, soon it will be about "afternoon name". These guys are teenagers doing teenager scams, I see right through it and always find it ridiculous.

nocomment9999:
Don't mind them, our ancestors didn't do treaties in the first place, we had no alphabet. Treaties were introduced by Europeans along with the European alphabets and the treaties were done between Africans and Europeans, not between Africans and Africans.

Even at that they could be oral treaties

Like popular esan gbedo oral treaties

But the Ekiokpagha treaty is an indigenous benin civil war history, that was later twisted in the 90s to accompany the elements of yorubas, so the binis could fit in under the yoruba canopy

gregyboy:
Even at that they could be oral treaties

Like popular esan gbedo oral treaties

But the Ekiokpagha treaty is an indigenous benin civil war history, that was later twisted in the 90s to accompany the elements of yorubas, so the binis could fit in under the yoruba canopy

I don't think there is any such thing as oral treaty.
Treaties are a European product.
Any talk about African treaty between Africans in the precolonial era is fraud.

We need to move passed all these "oral" things which don't age well, are easily usurped and easily made up. Anybody can make up a story today and claim it is "oral tradition". We are beyond this.

Our history is studied through precolonial texts and precolonial maps and our artefacts, although with intelligence, not with fraudulent attempts to join made up stories to our artefacts as the yorubas did when claiming that Oba Ovonramwen's bronze of a man on horseback was depicting a man from Ife coming to teach bronze casting to Benin people...ludicrous.

To the yoruba revisionists and the ipob miscreants I feel sorry for you guys. I, a 33 year old man with an MSc in the hardest of sciences (maths) in the best country to study it (France) who had his first students in 2013, who has many former students with MSc from first world universities, I came to pour sand in your teenager scams.

I feel like an adult going to a toddler basketball game and stopping some toddler from dunking on their ridiculously low basket.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5W-ZIXmCV64


I feel pity for you guys.

Don't worry though, you can mock my hair as compensation. You have my blessing to do so.