Broussard is one of the few honest analysts remaining in the world. Asked if the Nets have a chance of winning the title with their big three and he gave an emphatic NO! But trust Skip. Lol. He kept whining about it even though he said just yesterday that he wouldn't trade the Nets bench prices for Harden. Lol. Shannon did him bad by bringing out a paper with the quote. You should have seen the look on Skip's face Uncle Shay was definitely made for Skip

etidy:
Make we leave matter for Matthias, this is a slam dunk win for the Brooklyn Nets.
There is a level of talent that makes chemistry issues less relevant

Bruh! Imagine not been able to double team KD or Harden wahala dy oh.

Harden and Cp3 took the warriors to 7 games, imagine what he would do with KD. Chai,
They definitely need to learn to play with each other and also get a serviceable wing + Center but the east is definitely in trouble.

I am kind of happy for the Nets sha, from been the laughingstock of the NBA without draft picks for many seasons to a Juggernaut within 7 years..

Their lack of size might be an issue but they can really bludgeon teams with their offense if they get their shit together and are ready to sacrifice. They can give all types of sound bites off the court but when they hit the floor it would be easy to see if they mean it or not

Can definitely see them adding a couple of role players to help them with their depth. But the key for me is Brooklyn did not lose anyone they absolutely couldn't afford to lose.

It's championship or bust IMO but they must not have the mentality that it would be handed to them. It won't

A40:
Their lack of size might be an issue but they can really bludgeon teams with their offense if they get their shit together and are ready to sacrifice. They can give all types of sound bites off the court but when they hit the floor it would be easy to see if they mean it or not

Can definitely see them adding a couple of role players to help them with their depth. But the key for me is Brooklyn did not lose anyone they absolutely couldn't afford to lose.

It's championship or bust IMO but they must not have the mentality that it would be handed to them. It won't

Hmmm, so in other words, you’re banking on them to win games by outshooting the opposing team?

You know that’s a trap right?

Can’t wait to see how it all unfolds

steady986:
Broussard is one of the few honest analysts remaining in the world. Asked if the Nets have a chance of winning the title with their big three and he gave an emphatic NO! But trust Skip. Lol. He kept whining about it even though he said just yesterday that he wouldn't trade the Nets bench prices for Harden. Lol. Shannon did him bad by bringing out a paper with the quote. You should have seen the look on Skip's face Uncle Shay was definitely made for Skip

That episode was pure comedy.

Especially when Chris finished talking and skip asked Shannon to speak, unc declined and mentions he wanted Chris to gloat some more.

After last year, Chris has learned not to bet against the King.

mattfeuter:


Hmmm, so in other words, you’re banking on them to win games by outshooting the opposing team?

You know that’s a trap right?

Can’t wait to see how it all unfolds

How big were Klay and Steph? Of course they can absolutely outshoot the other team. My worry is where their headspace is and how committed they are to each other and the sacrifices they would be willing to make.

mattfeuter:


Why do you hate it ?

Teams do whatever they like to a player.

The clippers gave Blake the Max and still Shipped him
Off to Detroit.

Off to Detroit with his money right? Isn’t that the purpose of the max? His salary, which he enjoyed throughout the duration of that contract. Did he get paid a cent lesser than the max money? The owners met their financial obligations to the players, how many of the superstars who have gotten max contracts have?

Many of you only choose to argue this topic from the perspective of the player. For once, argue from the perspective of the owners without any bias.

steady986:

It's unfortunate that he found himself in that situation again. I'm quite sure he okayed the move.

Why won't He ok the move? I mean let's be honest, it's a no brainer besides we currently don't know the situation with Kyrie.

mattfeuter:


That episode was pure comedy.

Especially when Chris finished talking and skip asked Shannon to speak, unc declined and mentions he wanted Chris to gloat some more.

After last year, Chris has learned not to bet against the King.

Lol.

Roland17:


Off to Detroit with his money right? Isn’t that the purpose of the max? His salary, which he enjoyed throughout the duration of that contract. Did he get paid a cent lesser than the max money? The owners met their financial obligations to the players, how many of the superstars who have gotten max contracts have?

Many of you only choose to argue this topic from the perspective of the player. For once, argue from the perspective of the owners without any bias.

- If Giannis leaves the bucks after 2 years, will he be paid a cent less than his Max money?

- Why should I argue from the perspective of the owners?

IT played his heart out in Boston, played through injury and even played after he lost his Sister, Yet when it was time to give him the max, he was termed “damaged Goods” and kept being passed around the league like a blunt.

Nobody is even willing to give him the vet minimum and you out there talking about being biased?

mattfeuter:


- If Giannis leaves the bucks after 2 years, will he be paid a cent less than his Max money?

- Why should I argue from the perspective of the owners?

IT played his heart out in Boston, played through injury and even played after he lost his Sister, Yet when it was time to give him the max, he was termed “damaged Goods” and kept being passed around the league like a blunt.

Nobody is even willing to give him the vet minimum and you out there talking about being biased?

You can’t give a fair position if you never consider the other perspective of the argument. It’s like the “Allegory of the Cave” by Plato, you are basically sitting, facing the wall shackled in chains. Do yourself a favor and consider the other positions whenever you are trying to make a case for your position because it helps with understanding perspectives.

Giannis will get every cent of that contract if he leaves the Bucks and forces a trade after 2 years, he can’t be traded in the first year. I have said this before and I will repeat it again, NBA players are only obligated to their money, not the team when they sign these contracts and that is why we have seen players like Kawhi/ AD/CP3/ and now Harden use it because they understand the concept.

The receiving team inherits the salary including the structure of the salary.. The sending team can send some cash considerations that is capped every year but the player being traded gets his money. Once his original contract expires, he becomes a free agent or he can choose to renegotiate his existing contract before free agency.

As for IT, I have argued and written several epistles about this topic on this thread. If I have time I may look for them and post. But I always say this, My Celtics have no problems being vilified and taking bullets for the NBA for a player no one was going to take a chance on until we stepped in. Where were you and others when Sacramento traded him to the Suns? Where were all of you when he was rotting in Phoenix with no game time until we got him?

Truth is, IT is under-seized for any team to build its franchise around long term. He punched way above his weight and is a worthy mentor that anything is possible in life if you put your heart to it. Sadly, his size also makes it difficult for him to recover from certain kinds of injuries, everyone knew that but somehow the Celtics are the only team that take the heat.

Do you even realize that hip injury was genetic and inevitable because of his size? Do you think the other NBA teams did not know about that? Or that was coming? Come off it bro.. there depths to this stuff.

Chuck always has something to say

Don't let the age fool you.

And now that a lot of the offensive load has been taken off him he can do some damage on the other end too.

steady986:
Broussard is one of the few honest analysts remaining in the world. Asked if the Nets have a chance of winning the title with their big three and he gave an emphatic NO! But trust Skip. Lol. He kept whining about it even though he said just yesterday that he wouldn't trade the Nets bench prices for Harden. Lol. Shannon did him bad by bringing out a paper with the quote. You should have seen the look on Skip's face Uncle Shay was definitely made for Skip

Broussard is honest because he is predicting Lakers to win? You do know that Broussard is mostly saying so because KD put him in his place in 2019?

Trey Young looks way off this season.

Android17:


Broussard is honest because he is predicting Lakers to win? You do know that Broussard is mostly saying so because KD put him in his place in 2019?

Predicting Lakers to win is being dishonest?
And which team did he predict last year initially before he changed his mind because he saw what was happening? Tell me if that's not honesty.

steady986:

Predicting Lakers to win a being dishonest?
And which team did he predict last year initially before he changed his mind because he saw what was happening? Tell me if that's not honesty.

You are not answering my question. I asked you if he is being honest because he predicted that the LAL will win even when you know that ever since KD called him out, he has voted and spoken against KD.

Android17:


You are not answering my question. I asked you if he is being honest because he predicted that the LAL will win even when you know that ever since KD called him out, he has voted and spoken against KD.

What are you even talking about? Do you listen to Chris Broussard at all? Brousdard has always spoken well of KD, both before and after that incident.

steady986:

No doubt the Nets have the best trio in the league, but the Lakers have the best duo and the best team.

This actually shows how great LeBron is and has been over the years.

Before Davis came to L.A, he wasn't amongst the Top-8 best players.

At most Number-10. Remember that during those many years/seasons we had Westbrook, Cousins, Butler, Kawhi, Steph, Bron, Paul George, Harden, Bron, Durant ahead of Davis.
I may not be accurate in my retrospective-ranking, but I'm sure I'm at least 80% accurate.

Then he comes to LA to team up with Bron and we say both are best Duo.

Meanwhile we have Paul George and Kawhi who were both inside Top 6 for like 3straight seasons, we are not calling them both Best Duo.

Then we have Harden&Kd, winners of 5 scoring Titles between them, we are yet to call them best Duo.

The point is that any Top-15 that teamed up with Bron would automatically make them both the BEST DUO, period.

nairamaniac:


This actually shows how great LeBron is and has been over the years.

Before Davis came to L.A, he wasn't amongst the Top-8 best players.

At most Number-10. Remember that during those many years/seasons we had Westbrook, Cousins, Butler, Kawhi, Steph, Bron, Paul George, Harden, Bron, Durant ahead of Davis.
I may not be accurate in my retrospective-ranking, but I'm sure I'm at least 80% accurate.

Then he comes to LA to team up with Bron and we say both are best Duo.

Meanwhile we have Paul George and Kawhi who were both inside Top 6 for like 3straight seasons, we are not calling them both Best Duo.

Then we have Harden&Kd, winners of 5 scoring Titles between them, we are yet to call them best Duo.

The point is that any Top-15 that teamed up with Bron would automatically make them both the BEST DUO, period.

I agree with all your points, but these guys I highlighted have never been better than AD in this league

mattfeuter:


- If Giannis leaves the bucks after 2 years, will he be paid a cent less than his Max money?

- Why should I argue from the perspective of the owners?

IT played his heart out in Boston, played through injury and even played after he lost his Sister, Yet when it was time to give him the max, he was termed “damaged Goods” and kept being passed around the league like a blunt.

Nobody is even willing to give him the vet minimum and you out there talking about being biased?

I feel for IT but for every IT there is a Chandler Parsons. Just saying

The league is littered with bad contracts and no one talks about that

Please someone beg Luka to stop shooting these 3's since he can't make them to save his life. This is getting embarrassing

A40:
I feel for IT but for every IT there is a Chandler Parsons. Just saying

The league is littered with bad contracts and no one talks about that

It goes Both ways but someone said we should see it from one angle.

If a team cuts a player, it’s doing what’s best for the franchise but when a player exercises power, people have things to say.

A40:
Please someone beg Luka to stop shooting these 3's since he can't make them to save his life. This is getting embarrassing

He is forcing it.. He has been told it is the next important step he needs to take and he is in a rush to add that skill, forgetting it takes time and more importantly off season training and technique.
He needs to focus on his FT if you ask me rather than 3’s.

Kind of reminds me of Giannis who instead of focusing on improving his FT% is out there jacking up 3’s in a bid to expand his game and become un-guardable. Ironically, because of the way he plays, he would always find himself at the free throw line during critical moments of a game and will flop..We have seen this over and over again.

For both players, improving their FT is more important than the 3’s they have been jacking, more so for Giannis because they would always find themselves at the FT line because of how they play.

Giannis-57% FT%
Doncic-74% FT%

mattfeuter:



It goes Both ways but someone said we should see it from one angle.

If a team cuts a player, it’s doing what’s best for the franchise but when a player exercises power, people have things to say.

That someone is me, mention me, I no dey bite, na debate we dey debate, you no kill pesin.

You have obviously construed or failed to properly comprehend my first paragraph. Go back to my first paragraph, read it again and compare it to what you have up there.

I will be waiting.. seriously!

Roland17:


That someone is me, mention me, I no dey bite, na debate we dey debate, you no kill pesin.

You have obviously construed or failed to properly comprehend my first paragraph. Go back to my first paragraph, read it again and compare it to what you have up there.

I will be waiting.. seriously!

You’re arguing from the owners perspective, I’m doing the same from the players point of view.

Isn’t that the argument?

mattfeuter:


You’re arguing from the owners perspective, I’m doing the same from the players point of view.

Isn’t that the argument?

I never stopped you from arguing from the players perspective. I only encouraged you to examine the other perspective of any debate without bias irrespective of your original position so that you can make a fair and balanced argument. You have not taken anytime to even consider the argument from the other side and that is why I likened it to Plato’s allegory of the cave where you chained to the legs facing the wall and watching shadows.

Before arguing from the owners perspective, bare in mind this is not the first time I am debating this issue on this thread, I examined it from the players perspective.

I reasoned how and why the players were doing this. They want to win titles because it is obviously not about the money. At the end of the day, it is the role players that will suffer most. The players who don’t see the court as often.. those are the ones who will continued to get waived and tossed around for almost nothing.

Roland17:


I never stopped you from arguing from the players perspective. I only encouraged you to examine the other perspective of any debate without bias irrespective of your original position so that you can make a fair and balanced argument. You have not taken anytime to even consider the argument from the other side and that is why I likened it to Plato’s allegory of the cave where you chained to the legs facing the wall and watching shadows.

Before arguing from the owners perspective, bare in mind this is not the first time I am debating this issue on this thread, I examined it from the players perspective.

I reasoned how and why the players were doing this. They want to win titles because it is obviously not about the money. At the end of the day, it is the role players that will suffer most. The players who don’t see the court as often.. those are the ones who will continued to get waived and tossed around for almost nothing.

For these issues, IMHO the major problem for players is media and fans narrative, because a great player who never wins a ring he is constantly ribbed and ridiculed especially if he remains in the spot light after retirement.
For the owners, they can easily solve most of their issues by making front office decisions based on competence instead of nepotism. when players keep seeing wrong moves and decisions as the order of the day, they will start worrying about the limited time period they have in building their legacy.
With the current culture most players will not accept wasting their primes on teams that are badly run, it is high time owners recognise that it is no longer the 80's or 90's and get with the program. With the amount of money in the game especially outside the court, players will always be attracted to a team where management has great leadership. at the same time bad management will continue to become more unattractive, the days where owners hire people because they know them and not because of their ability to do the job is simply over and ownership should get with the program.

PS: One aspect of great leadership is to ensure that a superstar is not over indulged even if it leads to a reset, getting it over with is better for the franchise in the long term

mattfeuter:



It goes Both ways but someone said we should see it from one angle.

If a team cuts a player, it’s doing what’s best for the franchise but when a player exercises power, people have things to say.

Lol in the NBA most contracts are guaranteed anyway

Khanben:



For these issues, IMHO the major problem for players is media and fans narrative, because a great player who never wins a ring he is constantly ribbed and ridiculed especially if he remains in the spot light after retirement.

I made this exact point in the page before this. You can't constantly throw the Ring argument in player's (Superstars most especially)faces and not expect them to take the bait it's not possible. I knew wahala don pass garri when Draymond I think it was trolled Barkley using the Rings argument. Even going further, you can see the confidence having rings breeds with regards to KD. See how He took His time and made sure He was thoroughly healed before coming back. Why rush when you have 2 rings in the bag He most probably thought.

nairamaniac:


This actually shows how great LeBron is and has been over the years.

Before Davis came to L.A, he wasn't amongst the Top-8 best players.

At most Number-10. Remember that during those many years/seasons we had Westbrook, Cousins, Butler, Kawhi, Steph, Bron, Paul George, Harden, Bron, Durant ahead of Davis.
I may not be accurate in my retrospective-ranking, but I'm sure I'm at least 80% accurate.

Then he comes to LA to team up with Bron and we say both are best Duo.

Meanwhile we have Paul George and Kawhi who were both inside Top 6 for like 3straight seasons, we are not calling them both Best Duo.

Then we have Harden&Kd, winners of 5 scoring Titles between them, we are yet to call them best Duo.

The point is that any Top-15 that teamed up with Bron would automatically make them both the BEST DUO, period.

I"ll have Butler,PG and Cousins over Davis said no one ever. Hell apart from maybe a couple of seasons, Davis has always been rated over Westbrook too. Heck even Giannis only nudged slightly ahead during His MVP seasons.

The reason why we are not having that discussion with Regards to the duo of Harden and KD is because Harden just recently signed. Once that duo gets sufficient game time, trust me it'll come up.

chic2pimp:


I"ll have Butler,PG and Cousins over Davis said no one ever. Hell apart from maybe a couple of seasons, Davis has always been rated over Westbrook too. Heck even Giannis only nudged slightly ahead during His MVP seasons.

The reason why we are not having that discussion with Regards to the duo of Harden and KD is because Harden just recently signed. Once that duo gets sufficient game time, trust me it'll come up.

Lool Man's snuck in Butler, PG and Cousins like we won't notice.

Roland17:


He is forcing it.. He has been told it is the next important step he needs to take and he is in a rush to add that skill, forgetting it takes time and more importantly off season training and technique.
He needs to focus on his FT if you ask me rather than 3’s.

Kind of reminds me of Giannis who instead of focusing on improving his FT% is out there jacking up 3’s in a bid to expand his game and become un-guardable. Ironically, because of the way he plays, he would always find himself at the free throw line during critical moments of a game and will flop..We have seen this over and over again.

For both players, improving their FT is more important than the 3’s they have been jacking, more so for Giannis because they would always find themselves at the FT line because of how they play.

Giannis-57% FT%
Doncic-74% FT%

He would be averaging 35 a night if he cut down his 3 attempts to no more than 4 a game. At this point he's a horrendous 3pt shooter doing Westbrook numbers and it's hurting his overall efficiency.

It's insane too that someone so ridiculously skilled is so mid at free throws. Maybe the basketball gods leveling the playing field