quickly:


tribal mark or tatto which is worst.

AFricans have always had body markings. my great grand mother had her name tattooed on her body and also some other things.

Tatto has been around fo long

I agree.

crackhaus:
The earlier that you lots get to understand that most Nigerians of southern origins, generally have deep-seated issues of inferiority complex, the faster you'll understand that the western system is NOT the problem at all.

The same way Nigerians migrate, live and raise kids in these countries, is the same way Asians and Middle-easterners do.
Yet for some reason, those races still breed kids that generally adhere to their ancestral lifestyles and overall behaviour in terms of attitude and disposition, despite living their entire lives in western societies.

The difference in the respective outcomes above, is all the answer that you seek.


***
And yup, I specifically alluded to Nigerians of southern origins in my first paragraph, on purpose.
There is something about children raised in Islam (the true tenets of Islam) that makes them remain very well-behaved regardless of where they spent their formative years (Africa or the West).




If anyone said this to me, I would ask him to first go to his Asian/Middle-eastern friends, then ask them what they are doing that makes their own kids respectful and organized.

Very correct especially inferiority complex of the South aka Yoruba, Igbos and South South.

Aboguede:
All this are baseless arguments


How can a devil make an angel?

The only thing that makes children misbehave are their parents!

How can idiots raise good children?

Ok... You don't think environmental factors matter?

descarado:

Oil dey your head
I wouldn't have explained this better.

Sometimes I'm in complete shock on how black man behaves out there. And u are so correct, the northerners dont have time with this nonsense.
The inferiority complex is too overwhelming. More than how an average income earner bows to somebody he assumes or see that's better than him. Or is it our ladies?

In Nigeria alone we are forming team foreign accent.
Gosh.
An Indian, Chinese etc is in far away America still cruising his accent while in naija, I want to speak English more than the queen.

Ogaa o.

Or translate beautiful native name to English.

Goodluck Jonathan when you are not a white man!

seyz91:
for bachelors like me on this forum, got an advice for you

nomatter what you do, make sure you give birth or raise your unborn kids in Western World

i repeat "make sure"

Sure! I was raised here. If I say I've got any issue with raising my kids here, that would mean I've got issues with myself.

crackhaus:

Amazing, isn't it?

You'll see a 10year old son/daughter of first generation Chinese, French, Japanese, Thai, or Indian immigrants, speaking their local dialect so fluently... While their 10yr old Nigerian counterparts can't make a complete sentence in Yoruba, Igbo, or Bini, without reverting to English.

And who is to blame for this?
The same immigrant parents who end up complaining of course. Most have the mentality that anything of Nigerian origin is below par and of no significance, so they end up raising children who have been stripped of all cultural, religious, and indigenous values.

The consequence of the above is that it leaves a vacuum in these children, and makes it easy for them to assimilate what we love to call "western" behaviour.

@bold: correct.

I have seen Yoruba name kids in a way that it is 'easy' for Westerners to pronounce.

As in!

crackhaus:

Absolutely not.

And it's not because I consider the African system of raising kids to be archaic (quite the opposite), but simply because I won't need to.


Honestly, I do not believe it does.

As a matter of fact and from personal experiences so far, the culture shock which most of these returned kids experience, usually pushes them to get involved in worse vices than they would have been involved in if left alone.

If such moves should be made at all, I'd rather it be when they are much younger (between age 4 – 13) and certainly not as teenagers.

Thanks for this.

descarado:

Oil dey your head
I wouldn't have explained this better.

Sometimes I'm in complete shock on how black man behaves out there. And u are so correct, the northerners dont have time with this nonsense.
The inferiority complex is too overwhelming. More than how an average income earner bows to somebody he assumes or see that's better than him. Or is it our ladies?

In Nigeria alone we are forming team foreign accent.
Gosh.
An Indian, Chinese etc is in far away America still cruising his accent while in naija, I want to speak English more than the queen.

Ogaa o.

What are you even saying? You think they are proud of that accent, Chinese people never use racial abuse on you na why you de talk rubbish.

crackhaus:

Amazing, isn't it?

You'll see a 10year old son/daughter of first generation Chinese, French, Japanese, Thai, or Indian immigrants, speaking their local dialect so fluently... While their 10yr old Nigerian counterparts can't make a complete sentence in Yoruba, Igbo, or Bini, without reverting to English.

And who is to blame for this?
The same immigrant parents who end up complaining of course. Most have the mentality that anything of Nigerian origin is below par and of no significance, so they end up raising children who have been stripped of all cultural, religious, and indigenous values.

The consequence of the above is that it leaves a vacuum in these children, and makes it easy for them to assimilate what we love to call "western" behaviour.

What is the lingua franca of these French Japanese and Chinese children, do you even know what a lingua franca is. I know woundedlamb as an open minded person, he doesn't need all these crappy opinions.

SatanicPriest:
not really africa but nigeria. i have been to ethopia and tanzania and for some reason my normal aggressive behavior was about coming out. the way they looked at me like a mad mad eh, no be person tell me to lock up my gra gra behaviour . naija just makes u aggressive . so its more of a Nigerian thing than an african thing. naija is useless.
worst part is that we see it as smartness

Hahahahahahahaha!

WoundedLamb:


Yes but not physical suffering. I don't know how carrying a bucket of water or reading with candles or fighting for a bus would help anyone in the American society.

Physical suffering plays some part in experience take it or leave it. Even in America there are ghettos. Also why do u think they have boot camps training Tune u up physically and mentally.

descarado:

Gbam!
I don talk tire.
Western culture no dey my house o.
I don't actually like their culture.
When in Nigeria I introduced my kids to Asian culture. Music, drama etc. West have better culture before but cancel culture has striped them of everything with their yeye feminism( the new religion).

Even prefer some Muslim countries not the radical ones.

Non-fanatic islamic countries/families is on point.

The calmness which is derived from their absolute belief and submission to Allah's will.

RisenPhoenix1:


From my experience, an African upbringing teaches children to feel respect for the community and develop better social values. It also teaches the kids to be resourceful, hardy and ambitious; with their parents' guidance of course. I, along with my brothers and sister were raised abroad, but we spent virtually all our holidays with our no-nonsense grandparents in Nigeria; which is what saved us somewhat. One of my cousins who was not so lucky was killed in a knife fight over drugs, and another was forced to enlist in the military by his father because of his thuggish behaviour. Other cousins have had their issues too.

Added to that is the fact that coloured children abroad tend to have even more issues with discipline than the whites. I would advise any responsible wife to stay back home with her kids and let their father go hustle abroad until he has enough startup money for a business of his choice. He can then come back, establish a business and retire early. It's good to have an occasional trip on holidays though, and I absolutely endorse their being permitted to go and study in a good university when they have already grown and are less influenced by their environment.

Thanks for this input. I kind feel Africans only respect people with they have to. They respect elders, bosses, parents, superiors, etc. They don't respect people they feel superior to either cause of age or social status. And that's cause respect to them is a function of fear. Again, they act in conformity to community expectations but that's more like societal cages to me. But that's just a personal opinion. Thanks again

CandidNotes:
Africa is better, BY FAR. In the West, you gain the whole world but you are 99% likely to lose your soul. In Africa you lose the world but keep your soul.

Hehehehehe!

bukatyne:



Non-fanatic islamic countries/families is on point.

The calmness which is derived from their absolute belief and submission to Allah's will.

There are no non fanatic Islamic countries.

theFilmtric:

Of course, yes
Why not?

theFilmtricsay

Then you should ensure that your kids speak it fluently as well regardless of where you live, that was the point of that comment.
It doesn't matter if it's Iceland you're raising them, or if Nigeria has 543 different languages.

WoundedLamb:


Hhmm... I don't really know why people tend to believe the US is irreligious. It's only a very small part of the population that identifies as atheist. The country is secular in the sense that religion isn't used as the basis for making laws. But the citizens have and maintain their respective religions.

Again, do you really think the parents need religion as a tool to make thier kids respectful? I personally don't think morality is primarily function of religion. But that's just a personal opinion. I don't think any people in the world are as polite as Canadians (sometimes, the over politeness could be sickening if not deceiving). But yet, they are North Americans.

So would you send your kids to Africa like my friend plans to do?

constomer care can be super polite and that doesn't mean that the handler is moral

Burruchaga71:
Africa is the best place to raise a child but not South Africa... My kids will relocate to Nigeria after their primary educations

Is SA nothing Africa?

theFilmtric:

its all the question of official language
Assuming Nigeria was a 2,3,4 language country
It would be the same
Nigeria is just too diverse
That causes us to lean too heavily on English
Those I cancelled have their language as their official language
While India has just 23 languages
Nigeria has 543 only 250 are recognized

theFilmtricsay

Northerners still manage to preserve their culture (good & bad) in this diverse Nigeria.

jaxxy:


Physical suffering plays some part in experience take it or leave it. Even in America there are ghettos. Also why do u think they have boot camps training Tune u up physically and mentally.

Physical exercise is good for the health. Stress is not. Experience is good. Suffering is not. People suffer cause they don't have any alternative and not because they need it. The only thing we need is what will equip us for the future where we live and how can using candles to read or fighting for danfo equip someone who lives in a country where there's no danfo? I never said there aren't ghettos here. That was never the bonne of contention. But thinking about it, even those in the grottos still use the available public transport system, etc. My point is that the "necessary suffering" mustn't be in Africa.

Nevertheless, it's just an opinion. Thanks for your input.

ABCthingx:
xactly. They are having this problem abroad too. They want to the do away with God (the originator of morality) and still have a moral, lawful society at the same time.

Tell me, how can that work?

People tend to forget that a lot of the laws in these countries were handpicked and fine-tuned from biblical laws.

Humans on our own, left to our own predilections, and without a higher authority to fear/succumb to, will actually behave like animals without restraint.

That's a fact.

WoundedLamb:


Yes but not physical suffering. I don't know how carrying a bucket of water or reading with candles or fighting for a bus would help anyone in the American society.

It helps in broadening your perspectives.

ABCthingx:
constomer care can be super polite and that doesn't mean that the handler is moral

True but I live here and I don't really need customer care to know how the people really are.

ABCthingx:
constomer care can be super polite and that doesn't mean that the handler is moral

Hahahaha... Okay, this was a good one.

crackhaus:

People tend to forget that a lot of the laws in these countries were handpicked and fine-tuned from biblical laws.

Humans on our own, left to our own predilections, and without a higher authority to fear/succumb to, will actually behave like animals without restraint.

That's a fact.

On point again!

WoundedLamb:


Thanks for this input. I kind feel Africans only respect people with they have to. They respect elders, bosses, parents, superiors, etc. They don't respect people they feel superior to either cause of age or social status. And that's cause respect to them is a function of fear. Again, they act in conformity to community expectations but that's more like societal cages to me. But that's just a personal opinion. Thanks again

What does an adult African man have to fear from his parents or elders? It's not about fear, but it's ingrained. For example, I could never consider abandoning my parents in a home for the elderly, and not because I'm afraid of them, or my community, but because I know inwardly that it's wrong. Western culture does not engender any attachment to parents or resect for elders, and in fact, provides children with an opportunity to be indisciplined.

Acting in community expectation can always be defined as being caged. But if it really was, then we should consider drug dealers, robbers, kidnappers and murderers as the more pragmatic individuals who have become independent of the 'societal cage'. Disrespect for parents and other elders may not be criminal, but it's morally wrong...which is why society condemns it, just as it condemns other anti social behaviour.

It depends. Some grew up in Naija and are doing boko haram, kidnapping, cult, run girls and so on. Some grew up oversea,and doing the samething.
The question should be What type of parent will you be?

No

bukatyne:

@bold: correct.

I have seen Yoruba name kids in a way that it is 'easy' for Westerners to pronounce.

As in!

I myself have experienced how hard they struggle to pronounce my surname, but I thoroughly enjoy watching/listening to them trying.

They must learn it by force, I nor dey change am.

WoundedLamb:


Ok... You don't think environmental factors matter?

I have read most of your comments on this topic and I am also in the western world too but like I said b4 a cow can not bear an elephant!

You give what u have. Environment is what u make of it., the entire world is the same.

Ciao