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|Re: Is Africa Really A Better Place to Raise A Child Than The Western World? by beyondPen(m): 10:35pm On Feb 22|
Take the family , culture and knowledge of self away, you destroy a race.
A will allow my kid/kids to know the shithole I came from. This is for them to appreciate life and the hustle.
God forbid I reside in the state and my children can't speak my dialect its a shame. (If its to pay a teacher to teach them no problem)
You see I grew up in the north but my dad made sure we school in the west. This made us big time.
Even not long ago Anthony Joshua brought his son to naija. Adesanya came back too. others.
some people think the whites don't know how to bring out that doggedness in a child: well, they do it through bootcamps, hiking and other means.
|Re: Is Africa Really A Better Place to Raise A Child Than The Western World? by Crypto4life: 10:35pm On Feb 22|
you are not only a wounded lamb, your brain too is wounded. you should know by now that Africans especially Nigerians don't know how to raise kids or families. the country is made up of the society and the society is made up of families. thus good parents+ good children=good society= good country. Ask yourself, is the country good?
|Re: Is Africa Really A Better Place to Raise A Child Than The Western World? by Tetehjewels: 10:45pm On Feb 22|
To each his own. Perhaps you have been profiled several times which is why you have this mindset possibly because you look like a scammer but for my travels I have never seen this perception because my mind isn't wired like yours where I have allowed myself to be brainwashed into accepting a label I am not.
On the contrary I am always out to prove MYSELF to the world and not have them tell me what or who they think I am and I sit there and swallow it.
You have lived in 3 countries while I have travelled to at least 11 by nature of my business and still our intelligence and hard-working nature is what I see being applauded and not what you have been fed with.
Scams are everywhere and worse still in the west where grifters hold sway.
I am a Nigerian and I am not a scammer. Nigerians are hardworking and intelligent and I suppose those Nigerians whom Joe Biden added to his cabinet should have been seen as being out to scam the US government since to you Nigerians are known for scamming.
|Re: Is Africa Really A Better Place to Raise A Child Than The Western World? by edoairways: 10:51pm On Feb 22|
ednut1:That is not true
|Re: Is Africa Really A Better Place to Raise A Child Than The Western World? by Jaqenhghar: 11:10pm On Feb 22|
lefulefu:I didnt hear. So sad. I only heard that she was dating a father of 6. And people here think this is normal. Too many twisted souls in that hellhole
|Re: Is Africa Really A Better Place to Raise A Child Than The Western World? by jaxxy(m): 11:20pm On Feb 22|
Ur mindset is just biased towards Africa. U look down on their struggles and admire the struggle in America which may even be worse and more dangerous if we go real enough. U look down on African struggling systems even more than a curious white man or westerner.
It’s quite sad u have no point beyond bias towards ur continent.
U think the billionaires in Beverly Hills all cane from comfortable backgrounds? Some where immigrants from worse places than Africa. Ask the Jewish Americans, some others came from worse poverty and systems Than Africa if u don’t know and it was that background that prepared them to succeed at all costs in a foreign land.
Don’t despise suffering or failure. Build positively from it.
Check out kids who had it all rosey with no adaptive training they are mostly dependent by nature.
|Re: Is Africa Really A Better Place to Raise A Child Than The Western World? by Draslo(m): 11:24pm On Feb 22|
WoundedLamb:Doesn't matter really. I went to secondary school with kids of politicians and billionares here in Nigeria. Majority of them travelled abroad very often but we're mostly raised here. A vast majority went abroad for tertiary studies. I am proud of many of them today. They're excellent in their fields and are very independent.
|Re: Is Africa Really A Better Place to Raise A Child Than The Western World? by WoundedLamb: 11:32pm On Feb 22|
I think you're discussing another topic; interesting but far from where we are. African struggles can never be undermined. And no country's struggles are superior to those of another country. Each country has it's own struggles. My point is, if a child is going to live in America, let the child face the American struggles. That way, the child will be better equipped for the American life. The same goes for Africa. I only have a problem with those who make it look like the African struggle is the standard struggle. They send the kid to Africa to learn skills that won't help him in America. While his mates are learning what they need to survive in the American society. To me, that's the real bias born out of sentiments and attachments. Yes, going home to learn the culture/language is good but not with the purpose of subjecting the kid to a hard life. Thanks.
|Re: Is Africa Really A Better Place to Raise A Child Than The Western World? by WoundedLamb: 11:34pm On Feb 22|
Yeah, I believe those kids (with the same parents) would have still turned out just fine regardless of the continent.
|Re: Is Africa Really A Better Place to Raise A Child Than The Western World? by Draslo(m): 11:41pm On Feb 22|
WoundedLamb:I guess you're right.
|Re: Is Africa Really A Better Place to Raise A Child Than The Western World? by etrange: 11:57pm On Feb 22|
Lol... by now, you should have known I'm not easily provoked so you can even go ahead and call me a scammer. Where I presently live, any black is just black, no difference, no sentiments. No special treatment for Nigerians against public opinion that we might be treated differently. So no, it's nothing personal.
But this doesn't really mean we both don't know that perception exists. Ask yourself these: why does WES insisted on getting our WAEC certificate before verifying our degree while other countries don't have to supply that? Why did PayPal block the country? Why does Sweeden accept Transcripts from students in some countries but insists it must come from the institutions on Nigeria? Why do remote recruiters shy away from engaging Nigerians? They've got the perception. I don't need to accept. I correct when I can but I don't pretend I don't it exists.
Or are you saying you're ignorant of the perception? Or just want to bury your head in the sand?
|Re: Is Africa Really A Better Place to Raise A Child Than The Western World? by jaxxy(m): 12:11am On Feb 23|
So what topic I’m a discussing about. All the billionaire immigrants who made America where do I think they got their struggling experience and adaption skills from? America or their previous country? Struggle is struggle and NON is useless to any environment. And to let u know American struggle is very limited, same as uk. Why do u think many Africans and NON Americans who struggled in their country come to America and do well? They mostly Excel why? because African struggle as much as u look down on it cannot be compare to American struggle. Whites in a America don’t struggle they are even lazy. The black American struggle is also limited and different and African Americans can even relate to it because of difference in backgrounds.
Even whites appreciate African struggles. They know it’s a preparatory ground for wonders. Ure here talking American struggles. U can not have same mentality as a black American because u have different histories. Their struggles streamlined, whites don’t have much struggles. Most are lazy.
|Re: Is Africa Really A Better Place to Raise A Child Than The Western World? by WoundedLamb: 12:25am On Feb 23|
You say struggle is struggle and at the same time, you try to make the African struggle seem superior while that of the US is limited. That's contradictory. Where did Bill Gates struggle? Where did Mark Zuckerberg struggle? Where did Jeff Bezos struggle? Where did Oprah Winfrey struggle? The struggles are different but each is suitable for its environment. American struggle could be limited for anyone that plans to live Africa but for a kid who plans to live in the US, struggling through the goods and bad of the American system equips him better. That's not even subject to debate.
|Re: Is Africa Really A Better Place to Raise A Child Than The Western World? by Nobody: 12:26am On Feb 23|
Jaqenhghar:the father of six said he was dating the girl and the mother of the girl is fully aware.such an old man .he said he always goes to the girl's family house to have sex with her and after d sex he will give money to the mother and daughter.the girl's mom was prostituting her.
|Re: Is Africa Really A Better Place to Raise A Child Than The Western World? by Nobody: 12:27am On Feb 23|
Jaqenhghar:anybody who defends such is mentally sick
|Re: Is Africa Really A Better Place to Raise A Child Than The Western World? by Nobody: 12:29am On Feb 23|
etrange:ok the white man scams but they make every effort to arrest those in their countries involved in scams while in nigerian society the scammers and other sort of criminality are celebrated .thats d difference.
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|Re: Is Africa Really A Better Place to Raise A Child Than The Western World? by Nobody: 12:33am On Feb 23|
Ugosample:search well ..anytime u see an adult beating a child like an animal 99 percent times such a child is not his/her child.all those adult moms u see beating their underage house helps such dat the underage househelp will have serious injuries and scars all over d body u think na love dem feel towards such children?
|Re: Is Africa Really A Better Place to Raise A Child Than The Western World? by Nobody: 12:42am On Feb 23|
Tetehjewels:first of all the parent should lead by example
When u tell a child not to smoke u don't just tell him such by issuing threats
What u do the s tell him why cigarette is not good for him and u also should stop smoking if u are a smokee so as to lead by example otherwise d child will ask u why are u smoking?
That's children for you
On the issue of flogging u start from a young age and waiting till he grows before u start parenting him.d way discipline is carried out sometimes in naija is too much .some adults will use wire and inflicting bodily injuries on the child as if d child na malu malu.dat one no be discipline.such will make d child even hardened.u can spank d child but also show d child love as well.if u are parent and ur pickin come with deep scars and wound and tell u say na im teacher inflict such wounds on him and u no take action omo such a person no deserve such a child.
|Re: Is Africa Really A Better Place to Raise A Child Than The Western World? by Nobody: 12:46am On Feb 23|
Tetehjewels:there were some frustrated teachers who inflicted bodily harm on some pupils in the name of discipline even as a little kid and there were some parents dat took action.its like u never see some teachers wey go inflict all their frustration on ur pickin
|Re: Is Africa Really A Better Place to Raise A Child Than The Western World? by Jaqenhghar: 12:48am On Feb 23|
lefulefu:That's sick. I feel sorry for the girl honestly. If babies could choose their parents.....
|Re: Is Africa Really A Better Place to Raise A Child Than The Western World? by Nobody: 12:50am On Feb 23|
Ugosample:talking of flogging ...someone sent me a video where s female lecturer was flogging some university students cos they came late to her class .she was telling full grown adults to knee down in front of the class then she will tell each one to stand up and turn their bum bum to her while she flogs d bum bum .nigeria is a very funny place .university of all places
|Re: Is Africa Really A Better Place to Raise A Child Than The Western World? by Franklydes(m): 12:52am On Feb 23|
WoundedLamb:No not that but its their homes and family then community then nation. as a people they have identified who they are, either Hispanic, Asian and all that but when it comes to Africa we don't know who we are and that's why we are always disrespected as a people. Think it tru, Ulus!
|Re: Is Africa Really A Better Place to Raise A Child Than The Western World? by jaxxy(m): 1:28am On Feb 23|
I never said superior bt rather different.. Check all those people’s childhood most if not all struggled. Jeff, Oprah, musk, Zuckerberg.. Now almost all of them have immigrants backgrounds and upbringing especially those who didn’t have to struggle cos their immigrants parents struggled b4 coming to America and transferred that mentality to them.
Zuckerberg and bill gates didn’t succeed by any American struggle. They were relatively rich and learnt from their parents and frnds.
Tell me what the core American struggle is about?? Running 3 jobs and doing stint jobs, a few go to college. Most black Americans excel through sports and music. Most are lazy and comfortable with handouts from government.
Why I said African struggle helps is because up till this day migrant Africans are still excelling and it is no coincidence. Their background struggles were from Africa or their core African training from their parents.
Jews and some Europeans have theirs also. I repeat most of the people who built America are immigrants families with mostly Non American struggle backgrounds. Go check!
|Re: Is Africa Really A Better Place to Raise A Child Than The Western World? by WoundedLamb: 2:23am On Feb 23|
You need to pick a position, man. You're not saying superior, yet you believe the American struggle is limited? You are not saying superior, yet you are undermining the American struggle as just running three jobs and all that? You don't need to use the word superior before it can be inferred that you believe the African struggle is more worthwhile.
It's funny cause to you, it's more about which of the struggles is more difficult but that's not criterium. The criterium is which struggle prepares one to survive in the environment where one intends to live. No amount of struggle you can ever have in Africa will prepare you to do construction work in the snow under -25°C. No amount of struggle in Nigeria prepares to you navigate a country where racial dichotomy is at its peak. American struggle isn't just about doing shifts and playing sports, especially for blacks. That's Hollywood bullshit.
I even wonder if you still remember what we are talking about. You are making this about the contribution of immigrants. We are not arguing about who built America. Apart from aboriginals (red Indians), virtually everybody in Canada/US has an immigrant background. Thier parents struggled, that's fine. It doesn't affect the fact they made it in US without having to go back to their parents home countries to suffer small and that's exactly my point. Bill Gates father weren't super rich. His parents were upper middle class just like my parents. He navigated the American system. Oprah Winfrey grew up in the ghetto at a time when blacks were almost nothing. She struggled and made it. Nobody's struggle should be undermined.
My parents struggled the African way, they excelled in Africa before coming here. I am in America, it's illogical for me to go and struggle the African way, and then come back to navigate the American system. Suffering on its own is not the real goal, doing what equips you to survive in your type of environment is the goal and there's no better place to prepare for the American life than in America itself.
|Re: Is Africa Really A Better Place to Raise A Child Than The Western World? by awulio(f): 5:10am On Feb 23|
Not in America. I live here and my cousins are currently in school here. The things the teachers teach them here is rubbish. Imagine a 5 year old telling their mother “no you can’t tell me what to do or force me to do what I don’t want” or a 12 year old telling an adult to shut up... American schools teach children to do what pleases them
|Re: Is Africa Really A Better Place to Raise A Child Than The Western World? by awulio(f): 5:13am On Feb 23|
America is not the best place to live dude. I know a girl right now that smokes, drinks and even stabbed her brother because the brother told her not to be shouting at the mother.....The mother can’t do anything to discipline the child. The girl has been going in and out of jail since she was 16.....American children are the most ill behaved kids here.....Plus the only reason that American children can invent stuff is because the government invests in the schools... but when it comes to book it’s Indians and Nigerians that are top.... out of 65 Black Harvard medical school students last year 44 were Nigerian.
|Re: Is Africa Really A Better Place to Raise A Child Than The Western World? by awulio(f): 5:20am On Feb 23|
I know a girl that was massively disrespectful, drinking and bringing men to the fathers house at 14....just 2 years in Nigerian boarding school, the girls head reformat and now she’s very respectful.....I believe Nigerian children abroad should Atleast spend 2 years in nigeria during secondary school, so that they will have sense.
|Re: Is Africa Really A Better Place to Raise A Child Than The Western World? by etrange: 5:45am On Feb 23|
I never said America was the best place to raise a kid. I said someone living in the western world does not need to send his teens to Nigeria. North America has both Canada's and the US. I only used the US as example but the western world goes beyond America. Yes, you know the story of a useless child but does that really summarise America? Do you have the slightest idea how many stories of people who have killed or maimed their loved ones we see on front page everyday? Have you suddenly forgotten the numerous stories of boys gang rapping younger girls we read everyday here? Does any of these stories summarise Nigeria? No, they don't cause many Nigerians are doing great. Likewise, these deviant kids you read about don't summarise the US cause many US kids are doing great. There'll always be the bad ones but a good number of Nigerian kids abroad are doing just fine.
I am not doubting the intelligence of Nigerians but that intelligence is useless if there's no sound education system to harness it. You said it yourself that the government invest much into education thus making them more inventive. Why then send the teen to Africa at the age when he needs that education the most? You don't need to go Africa to learn skills to survive in America. That's just my point.
|Re: Is Africa Really A Better Place to Raise A Child Than The Western World? by KingAzubuike(f): 6:52am On Feb 23|
awulio:Oga forget all these respect talks, it's all about culture. What's seen as normal here is seen as abnormal there and vice versa. Some of those things you tag as respect, if you go abroad , they'll see it as a weird nonsense. For example calling an elder one sir sounds weird to alot of them. If you kneel or bend to greet, they'll be like "wtf is this".
Go to Japan, it's disrespectful to eat in public transport or making loud conversations, here we see it as normal. It's also disrespectful to tip someone but here it's normal, it's not a disrespect. It depends on where you are. If you're in Rome, behave like a roman.
|Re: Is Africa Really A Better Place to Raise A Child Than The Western World? by Nobody: 6:58am On Feb 23|
It has changed a lot. But it's not only the Western world. Things have changed back home too. A visit to a strict disciplinarian for a couple of weeks a year might have been sufficient back then, but not any more;
That is too simplistic. Obviously you should know that it couldn't have been an isolated incident, and I was not using it as evidence of anything, merely as a basis for asking whether you or someone you know ever did the same.
Kids pick up more from their peers than from their parents. Having said that, there are some methods of discipline that can get you reported by nosey neighbours or teachers to CPS and have your kids taken away.
I relocated back before I got married; though I take my kids for occasional visits to their cousins; at least before covid. In the last period, we'd been exploring African travel though. Europe is becoming one vast uninspiring morass of concrete and glitz. Nothing more to learn there. I find Africa to be way more interesting. I'll probably send them back when they want to enroll in the university; or I might not. South Africa and even Nigeria have good schools as well.
|Re: Is Africa Really A Better Place to Raise A Child Than The Western World? by madridguy(m): 7:17am On Feb 23|
This is serious. You people have a lot of work to do then.
|Re: Is Africa Really A Better Place to Raise A Child Than The Western World? by jaxxy(m): 7:26am On Feb 23|
I think the problem of ur argument is U cannot understand what u have not experienced. Only the person that has gone through it can emphasize better about it’s great importance. If u’ve never walked the shoes to understand u will only argue based on what u brain can comprehend.
Nobody says u can’t succeed without experiencing African struggle bt Ure parents who now live in America bt struggled in Nigeria 1st might see not lack of struggle in the American System. Why it’s alot easier now even though many real Americans are still lazy.
Adaptation skills is what we are talking about if goes beyond snow, ure not an Eskimo leaving and working in Alaska.
Most migrants family did well in American because of the struggle they learnt from in their previous countries and did well In America without any American struggle.
My point is since real Americans are mostly lazy And American was built by migrants who had experiences from elsewhere it’s hard to define the American struggle clearly.
While no struggle is superior they are different. That difference counts for Smtn and it about weather issues. The Americans system is quite good so u don’t have to worry about a lot of things if Ure hardworking. In Africa hardworking or not h must feel the heat because the system is poor. U have to know what ure doing and be on ur toes here. Over there Ure relaxed.
Have u treck from skol home b4? Have struggled to get urself things because the system which shud provide it wouldn’t?? Have seen people around struggle to just eat 1 or 2 square meals?? No NGO or churches share food and clothes here every week or 2weeks. U don’t even have suffer Any if this to understand it our poor systems will train u to appreciate a far more better and robust system. U will appreciate the gaps and see even ideas u never imagined.
U will notice some things/privileges u take for granted In the American struggle/System. My point!
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