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Re: Is Africa Really A Better Place to Raise A Child Than The Western World? by beyondPen(m): 10:35pm On Feb 22
Take the family , culture and knowledge of self away, you destroy a race.

A will allow my kid/kids to know the shithole I came from. This is for them to appreciate life and the hustle.

God forbid I reside in the state and my children can't speak my dialect its a shame. (If its to pay a teacher to teach them no problem)

You see I grew up in the north but my dad made sure we school in the west. This made us big time.

Even not long ago Anthony Joshua brought his son to naija. Adesanya came back too. others.

some people think the whites don't know how to bring out that doggedness in a child: well, they do it through bootcamps, hiking and other means.
Re: Is Africa Really A Better Place to Raise A Child Than The Western World? by Crypto4life: 10:35pm On Feb 22
you are not only a wounded lamb, your brain too is wounded. you should know by now that Africans especially Nigerians don't know how to raise kids or families. the country is made up of the society and the society is made up of families. thus good parents+ good children=good society= good country. Ask yourself, is the country good?

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Re: Is Africa Really A Better Place to Raise A Child Than The Western World? by Tetehjewels: 10:45pm On Feb 22
etrange:


Nigerians are known for scamming. There's nothing you'd say out of sentiment that will change the fact that this is an existing perception. You can list the things Americans are known for, it's not in my position to call you a liar. But I've lived in 3 countries (excluding my home country, Nigeria) and I can tell that this is what Nigerians are known for. It's sad but it is what it is. Not everyone agrees Nigerians are scammers but we all know that's how Nigerians perceived.

Sorry but not sorry.

To each his own. Perhaps you have been profiled several times which is why you have this mindset possibly because you look like a scammer but for my travels I have never seen this perception because my mind isn't wired like yours where I have allowed myself to be brainwashed into accepting a label I am not.

On the contrary I am always out to prove MYSELF to the world and not have them tell me what or who they think I am and I sit there and swallow it.

You have lived in 3 countries while I have travelled to at least 11 by nature of my business and still our intelligence and hard-working nature is what I see being applauded and not what you have been fed with.


Scams are everywhere and worse still in the west where grifters hold sway.

I am a Nigerian and I am not a scammer. Nigerians are hardworking and intelligent and I suppose those Nigerians whom Joe Biden added to his cabinet should have been seen as being out to scam the US government since to you Nigerians are known for scamming.
Re: Is Africa Really A Better Place to Raise A Child Than The Western World? by edoairways: 10:51pm On Feb 22
ednut1:
Once my pikin is 5 years he is coming to Nigeria. The taste of suffering makes one appreciate opportunities. Many children here have no focus and easily turn to drugs and crime
That is not true

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Re: Is Africa Really A Better Place to Raise A Child Than The Western World? by Jaqenhghar: 11:10pm On Feb 22
lefulefu:
that girl with gun hope u heard her mom was even prostituting her cheesy
i swear ehn many nigerian families have gone to the dogs
if na place where things dey work dem don suppose arrest her mother since then send the girl to a rehabitation center.
I didnt hear. So sad. I only heard that she was dating a father of 6. And people here think this is normal. Too many twisted souls in that hellhole

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Re: Is Africa Really A Better Place to Raise A Child Than The Western World? by jaxxy(m): 11:20pm On Feb 22
WoundedLamb:


Don't get it twisted. I created this thread and my take has always been the same, you do not need to take your kid to Africa to suffer small. Every other thing I say, revolves around this.

Training inside forests and all that, are partly fun and partly for experience (an experience that could come handy given our immediate environment). It's tasky but it's a also a structured learning process. That's beautiful. But going to Africa to suffer and then learning how to survive in Africa while you'll end up living in America isn't ideal to me. Camping and coming back home afterwards is different from a baby carrying a bucket of water.

Ur mindset is just biased towards Africa. U look down on their struggles and admire the struggle in America which may even be worse and more dangerous if we go real enough. U look down on African struggling systems even more than a curious white man or westerner.

It’s quite sad u have no point beyond bias towards ur continent.

U think the billionaires in Beverly Hills all cane from comfortable backgrounds? Some where immigrants from worse places than Africa. Ask the Jewish Americans, some others came from worse poverty and systems Than Africa if u don’t know and it was that background that prepared them to succeed at all costs in a foreign land.

Don’t despise suffering or failure. Build positively from it.

Check out kids who had it all rosey with no adaptive training they are mostly dependent by nature.
Re: Is Africa Really A Better Place to Raise A Child Than The Western World? by Draslo(m): 11:24pm On Feb 22
WoundedLamb:
An African friend always argue that kids are better of raised in Africa. He said he'd send his two boys to Nigeria so they'd know what life is all about. I asked him "what life is all about", he said hardship, blackouts, etc. He said kids raised in the Americas aren't respectful and organized cause they didn't suffer. And that brings me to the topic of this thread. Is the Nigerian style of raising kids really the ideal model? I just want to share my opinion on the things my friend mentioned as reasons to send his boys to Africa: respectful and organized and the need to "suffer small" (his words).

Respectful: In the Nigerian society, elders don't usually explain to kids why they shouldn't do some things; they just authoritatively ask them not to do it and the kids better not ask why. Kids grow up respecting thier elders out of fear (and not admiration or love). The implication of this is that they do a lot things without their patents' knowledge, and they get used to this "hidden lifestyle" that makes it almost impossible for parents to truly know thier children. This in turn denies the parents the opportunity to identify and correct some unwanted behaviours as the kids always tell them just what they want to hear. And then it's only a matter of time before some of these kids outgrow the fear and reveal their true personalities (good luck with your mystery parcel at this point). Whereas in the Americas, kids are engaged and not commanded. You can easily tell the direction your child is headed.

Organized: He said kids raised in Africa are more organized and not crazy like their American counterparts who do all sorts of things like tattoos, plastic surgery, etc. Yes, Americans have a lot of deviants, but that's why new ideas/findings pop up everyday. I believe Africans force thier youngsters to fit into a predefined pattern of life and thereby reducing the chances of creativity. In Africa, you are supposed to go to school, get a job, get married and make children (and there are ages for all these). Then your children will do the same and the cycle continues. This "organised" pattern is the African dream; it is more important than any other dream or even the world itself, and any deviation is frowned upon. Africans think it's a crazy for a man to dedicate his life to studying mosquitoes even if that's his dream (yet Africans are the most affected by these killer insects), Africans think it's crazy for a woman to say she ain't getting married but would rather use her money to adopt and raise orphaned kids. A friend I was teaching software development had to quit cause "he didn't have time anymore". According to him, he had gotten to the age of marriage. And you wonder why nothing spectacular comes out of this continent? Alternative lifestyles might be scary but that's the wheel of progress.

"Suffer small": This one makes me laugh and I usually use it to tease my friend. Kids don't need to suffer small. Kids need the skills that would make them survive in their environment. If carrying water, fighting for a bus, using candles and going to the farm equip the child for the African life, great (just don't overdo it). But that's not necessarily a model. It's something they do out of necessity. A kid who is born in North America does not need to go to Africa to "suffer small". I don't even own a bucket as an adult and I'll probably never buy one. A kid born here needs DIY skills amongst others.

I don't have a problem with some people wanting their kids to go to Africa to learn thier culture but I don't subscribe to the idea that kids raised in Africa are better off. What do you think?
Doesn't matter really. I went to secondary school with kids of politicians and billionares here in Nigeria. Majority of them travelled abroad very often but we're mostly raised here. A vast majority went abroad for tertiary studies. I am proud of many of them today. They're excellent in their fields and are very independent.
Re: Is Africa Really A Better Place to Raise A Child Than The Western World? by WoundedLamb: 11:32pm On Feb 22
jaxxy:


Ur mindset is just biased towards Africa. U look down on their struggles and admire the struggle in America which may even be worse and more dangerous if we go real enough. U look down on African struggling systems even more than a curious white man or westerner.

It’s quite sad u have no point beyond bias towards ur continent.

U think the billionaires in Beverly Hills all cane from comfortable backgrounds? Some where immigrants from worse places than Africa. Ask the Jewish Americans, some others came from worse poverty and systems Than Africa if u don’t know and it was that background that prepared them to succeed at all costs in a foreign land.

Don’t despise suffering or failure. Build positively from it.

Check out kids who had it all rosey with no adaptive training they are mostly dependent by nature.

I think you're discussing another topic; interesting but far from where we are. African struggles can never be undermined. And no country's struggles are superior to those of another country. Each country has it's own struggles. My point is, if a child is going to live in America, let the child face the American struggles. That way, the child will be better equipped for the American life. The same goes for Africa. I only have a problem with those who make it look like the African struggle is the standard struggle. They send the kid to Africa to learn skills that won't help him in America. While his mates are learning what they need to survive in the American society. To me, that's the real bias born out of sentiments and attachments. Yes, going home to learn the culture/language is good but not with the purpose of subjecting the kid to a hard life. Thanks.

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Re: Is Africa Really A Better Place to Raise A Child Than The Western World? by WoundedLamb: 11:34pm On Feb 22
Draslo:

Doesn't matter really. I went to secondary school with kids of politicians and billionares here in Nigeria. Majority of them travelled abroad very often but we're mostly raised here. A vast majority went abroad for tertiary studies. I am proud of many of them today. They're excellent in their fields and are very independent.

Yeah, I believe those kids (with the same parents) would have still turned out just fine regardless of the continent.
Re: Is Africa Really A Better Place to Raise A Child Than The Western World? by Draslo(m): 11:41pm On Feb 22
WoundedLamb:


Yeah, I believe those kids (with the same parents) would have still turned out just fine regardless of the continent.
I guess you're right.

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Re: Is Africa Really A Better Place to Raise A Child Than The Western World? by etrange: 11:57pm On Feb 22
Tetehjewels:


To each his own. Perhaps you have been profiled several times which is why you have this mindset possibly because you look like a scammer but for my travels I have never seen this perception because my mind isn't wired like yours where I have allowed myself to be brainwashed into accepting a label I am not.

On the contrary I am always out to prove MYSELF to the world and not have them tell me what or who they think I am and I sit there and swallow it.

You have lived in 3 countries while I have travelled to at least 11 by nature of my business and still our intelligence and hard-working nature is what I see being applauded and not what you have been fed with.


Scams are everywhere and worse still in the west where grifters hold sway.

I am a Nigerian and I am not a scammer. Nigerians are hardworking and intelligent and I suppose those Nigerians whom Joe Biden added to his cabinet should have been seen as being out to scam the US government since to you Nigerians are known for scamming.

Lol... by now, you should have known I'm not easily provoked so you can even go ahead and call me a scammer. Where I presently live, any black is just black, no difference, no sentiments. No special treatment for Nigerians against public opinion that we might be treated differently. So no, it's nothing personal.

But this doesn't really mean we both don't know that perception exists. Ask yourself these: why does WES insisted on getting our WAEC certificate before verifying our degree while other countries don't have to supply that? Why did PayPal block the country? Why does Sweeden accept Transcripts from students in some countries but insists it must come from the institutions on Nigeria? Why do remote recruiters shy away from engaging Nigerians? They've got the perception. I don't need to accept. I correct when I can but I don't pretend I don't it exists.

Or are you saying you're ignorant of the perception? Or just want to bury your head in the sand?
Re: Is Africa Really A Better Place to Raise A Child Than The Western World? by jaxxy(m): 12:11am On Feb 23
WoundedLamb:


I think you're discussing another topic; interesting but far from where we are. African struggles can never be undermined. And no country's struggles are superior to those of another country. Each country has it's own struggles. My point is, if a child is going to live in America, let the child face the American struggles. That way, the child will be better equipped for the American life. The same goes for Africa. I only have a problem with those who make it look like the African struggle is the standard struggle. They send the kid to Africa to learn skills that won't help him in America. While his mates are learning what they need to survive in the American society. To me, that's the real bias born out of sentiments and attachments. Yes, going home to learn the culture/language is good but not with the purpose of subjecting the kid to a hard life. Thanks.

So what topic I’m a discussing about. All the billionaire immigrants who made America where do I think they got their struggling experience and adaption skills from? America or their previous country? Struggle is struggle and NON is useless to any environment. And to let u know American struggle is very limited, same as uk. Why do u think many Africans and NON Americans who struggled in their country come to America and do well? They mostly Excel why? because African struggle as much as u look down on it cannot be compare to American struggle. Whites in a America don’t struggle they are even lazy. The black American struggle is also limited and different and African Americans can even relate to it because of difference in backgrounds.

Even whites appreciate African struggles. They know it’s a preparatory ground for wonders. Ure here talking American struggles. U can not have same mentality as a black American because u have different histories. Their struggles streamlined, whites don’t have much struggles. Most are lazy.
Re: Is Africa Really A Better Place to Raise A Child Than The Western World? by WoundedLamb: 12:25am On Feb 23
jaxxy:


So what topic I’m a discussing about. All the billionaire immigrants who made America where do I think they got their struggling experience and adaption skills from? America or their previous country? Struggle is struggle and NON is useless to any environment. And to let u know American struggle is very limited, same as uk. Why do u think many Africans and NON Americans who struggled in their country come to America and do well? They mostly Excel why? because African struggle as much as u look down on it cannot be compare to American struggle. Whites in a America don’t struggle they are even lazy. The black American struggle is also limited and different and African Americans can even relate to it because of difference in backgrounds.

Even whites appreciate African struggles. They know it’s a preparatory ground for wonders. Ure here talking American struggles. U can not have same mentality as a black American because u have different histories. Their struggles streamlined, whites don’t have much struggles. Most are lazy.

You say struggle is struggle and at the same time, you try to make the African struggle seem superior while that of the US is limited. That's contradictory. Where did Bill Gates struggle? Where did Mark Zuckerberg struggle? Where did Jeff Bezos struggle? Where did Oprah Winfrey struggle? The struggles are different but each is suitable for its environment. American struggle could be limited for anyone that plans to live Africa but for a kid who plans to live in the US, struggling through the goods and bad of the American system equips him better. That's not even subject to debate.

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Re: Is Africa Really A Better Place to Raise A Child Than The Western World? by Nobody: 12:26am On Feb 23
Jaqenhghar:

I didnt hear. So sad. I only heard that she was dating a father of 6. And people here think this is normal. Too many twisted souls in that hellhole
the father of six said he was dating the girl and the mother of the girl is fully aware.such an old man grin.he said he always goes to the girl's family house to have sex with her and after d sex he will give money to the mother and daughter.the girl's mom was prostituting her.
Re: Is Africa Really A Better Place to Raise A Child Than The Western World? by Nobody: 12:27am On Feb 23
Jaqenhghar:

I di And people here think this
anybody who defends such is mentally sick
Re: Is Africa Really A Better Place to Raise A Child Than The Western World? by Nobody: 12:29am On Feb 23
etrange:


It's funny cause when you call them out, they'd say the whiteman is a greater scammer. First, the white man being a greater scammer doesn't justify anything. Second, our attitude, like the one you described, encourages scamming while the white man works hard to catch and deal with these miscreants. My people. cry
ok the white man scams but they make every effort to arrest those in their countries involved in scams while in nigerian society the scammers and other sort of criminality are celebrated cheesy.thats d difference.

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Re: Is Africa Really A Better Place to Raise A Child Than The Western World? by Nobody: 12:33am On Feb 23
Ugosample:


Beating kids like goats is the "typical" African way of correcting a child. I personally am not against spanking in totality, but the way black folks beat their kids like goat and animals...
No wonder many of them grow up to becoming hardened criminals and soulless people
search well cheesy..anytime u see an adult beating a child like an animal 99 percent times such a child is not his/her child.all those adult moms u see beating their underage house helps such dat the underage househelp will have serious injuries and scars all over d body u think na love dem feel towards such children?
Re: Is Africa Really A Better Place to Raise A Child Than The Western World? by Nobody: 12:42am On Feb 23
Tetehjewels:


Do you see how you twist words? I mentioned flogging and not corporal discipline. Which one is flogging to death?

Did we not all go to schools here? Did we not have teachers who used the cane to discipline us? Which one of us was flogged to death?

Stop twisting stuff to make it look terrible when you should be smarter.


In black America parents are now made to look like heroes because they used the strap on there kids simply because they now know that the constant sparing of the rod on their kids has made them turn out as bad eggs in the society.

They are doing it but over here we would rather follow the white American side who do not believe in such "NONSENSE" as they call it.


In America you can try scolding an older kid (i wish you luck with that) especially if he or she already missed out on the right upbringing. They are ready to stand up to you or even fight you in your own house because there are laws that seemingly protects them and they can easily claim abuse and get child protection services to deal with your sorry self.

To everything there is an Origin and for Africa, any Un-African traits you see today in us did not Originate from us. They were externally injected from the West. QED!
first of all the parent should lead by example
When u tell a child not to smoke u don't just tell him such by issuing threats
What u do the s tell him why cigarette is not good for him and u also should stop smoking if u are a smokee so as to lead by example otherwise d child will ask u why are u smoking?
That's children for you
On the issue of flogging u start from a young age and waiting till he grows before u start parenting him.d way discipline is carried out sometimes in naija is too much .some adults will use wire and inflicting bodily injuries on the child as if d child na malu malu.dat one no be discipline.such will make d child even hardened.u can spank d child but also show d child love as well.if u are parent and ur pickin come with deep scars and wound and tell u say na im teacher inflict such wounds on him and u no take action omo such a person no deserve such a child.
Re: Is Africa Really A Better Place to Raise A Child Than The Western World? by Nobody: 12:46am On Feb 23
Tetehjewels:




Did we not all go to schools here? Did we not have teachers who used the cane to discipline us? Which one of us was flogged to death?

StoD!
there were some frustrated teachers who inflicted bodily harm on some pupils in the name of discipline even as a little kid and there were some parents dat took action.its like u never see some teachers wey go inflict all their frustration on ur pickin
Re: Is Africa Really A Better Place to Raise A Child Than The Western World? by Jaqenhghar: 12:48am On Feb 23
lefulefu:
the father of six said he was dating the girl and the mother of the girl is fully aware.such an old man grin.he said he always goes to the girl's family house to have sex with her and after d sex he will give money to the mother and daughter.the girl's mom was prostituting her.
That's sick. I feel sorry for the girl honestly. If babies could choose their parents.....

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Re: Is Africa Really A Better Place to Raise A Child Than The Western World? by Nobody: 12:50am On Feb 23
Ugosample:


Beating kids like goats is the "typical" African way of correcting a child. I personally am not against spanking in totality, but the way black folks beat their kids like goat and animals...
No wonder many of them grow up to becoming hardened criminals and soulless people
talking of flogging grin...someone sent me a video where s female lecturer was flogging some university students cos they came late to her class grin grin grin.she was telling full grown adults to knee down in front of the class then she will tell each one to stand up and turn their bum bum to her while she flogs d bum bum grin grin.nigeria is a very funny place grin angry grin.university of all places grin
Re: Is Africa Really A Better Place to Raise A Child Than The Western World? by Franklydes(m): 12:52am On Feb 23
WoundedLamb:


That's an interesting take and it's probably not far from the truth. Some people from 'closed cultures' feel liberated when they move to a society where diversity in terms of personality and lifestyle is ok. They don't have to worry about what people will say anymore. You know, just like a 'caged' child who recently got into the university.

But Asians have closed cultures too. Perhaps, the existence of well established Asian communities (China town, Punjabi areas, schools, etc) in the western world makes thier case different.

Thanks.
No not that but its their homes and family then community then nation. as a people they have identified who they are, either Hispanic, Asian and all that but when it comes to Africa we don't know who we are and that's why we are always disrespected as a people. Think it tru, Ulus!
Re: Is Africa Really A Better Place to Raise A Child Than The Western World? by jaxxy(m): 1:28am On Feb 23
WoundedLamb:


You say struggle is struggle and at the same time, you try to make the African struggle seem superior while that of the US is limited. That's contradictory. Where did Bill Gates struggle? Where did Mark Zuckerberg struggle? Where did Jeff Bezos struggle? Where did Oprah Winfrey struggle? The struggles are different but each is suitable for its environment. American struggle could be limited for anyone that plans to live Africa but for a kid who plans to live in the US, struggling through the goods and bad of the American system equips him better. That's not even subject to debate.

I never said superior bt rather different.. Check all those people’s childhood most if not all struggled. Jeff, Oprah, musk, Zuckerberg.. Now almost all of them have immigrants backgrounds and upbringing especially those who didn’t have to struggle cos their immigrants parents struggled b4 coming to America and transferred that mentality to them.

Zuckerberg and bill gates didn’t succeed by any American struggle. They were relatively rich and learnt from their parents and frnds.

Tell me what the core American struggle is about?? Running 3 jobs and doing stint jobs, a few go to college. Most black Americans excel through sports and music. Most are lazy and comfortable with handouts from government.

Why I said African struggle helps is because up till this day migrant Africans are still excelling and it is no coincidence. Their background struggles were from Africa or their core African training from their parents.

Jews and some Europeans have theirs also. I repeat most of the people who built America are immigrants families with mostly Non American struggle backgrounds. Go check!

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Re: Is Africa Really A Better Place to Raise A Child Than The Western World? by WoundedLamb: 2:23am On Feb 23
jaxxy:


I never said superior bt rather different.. Check all those people’s childhood most if not all struggled. Jeff, Oprah, musk, Zuckerberg.. Now almost all of them have immigrants backgrounds and upbringing especially those who didn’t have to struggle cos their immigrants parents struggled b4 coming to America and transferred that mentality to them.

Zuckerberg and bill gates didn’t succeed by any American struggle. They were relatively rich and learnt from their parents and frnds.

Tell me what the core American struggle is about?? Running 3 jobs and doing stint jobs, a few go to college. Most black Americans excel through sports and music. Most are lazy and comfortable with handouts from government.

Why I said African struggle helps is because up till this day migrant Africans are still excelling and it is no coincidence. Their background struggles were from Africa or their core African training from their parents.

Jews and some Europeans have theirs also. I repeat most of the people who built America are immigrants families with mostly Non American struggle backgrounds. Go check!

You need to pick a position, man. You're not saying superior, yet you believe the American struggle is limited? You are not saying superior, yet you are undermining the American struggle as just running three jobs and all that? You don't need to use the word superior before it can be inferred that you believe the African struggle is more worthwhile.

It's funny cause to you, it's more about which of the struggles is more difficult but that's not criterium. The criterium is which struggle prepares one to survive in the environment where one intends to live. No amount of struggle you can ever have in Africa will prepare you to do construction work in the snow under -25°C. No amount of struggle in Nigeria prepares to you navigate a country where racial dichotomy is at its peak. American struggle isn't just about doing shifts and playing sports, especially for blacks. That's Hollywood bullshit.

I even wonder if you still remember what we are talking about. You are making this about the contribution of immigrants. We are not arguing about who built America. Apart from aboriginals (red Indians), virtually everybody in Canada/US has an immigrant background. Thier parents struggled, that's fine. It doesn't affect the fact they made it in US without having to go back to their parents home countries to suffer small and that's exactly my point. Bill Gates father weren't super rich. His parents were upper middle class just like my parents. He navigated the American system. Oprah Winfrey grew up in the ghetto at a time when blacks were almost nothing. She struggled and made it. Nobody's struggle should be undermined.

My parents struggled the African way, they excelled in Africa before coming here. I am in America, it's illogical for me to go and struggle the African way, and then come back to navigate the American system. Suffering on its own is not the real goal, doing what equips you to survive in your type of environment is the goal and there's no better place to prepare for the American life than in America itself.

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Re: Is Africa Really A Better Place to Raise A Child Than The Western World? by awulio(f): 5:10am On Feb 23
Not in America. I live here and my cousins are currently in school here. The things the teachers teach them here is rubbish. Imagine a 5 year old telling their mother “no you can’t tell me what to do or force me to do what I don’t want” or a 12 year old telling an adult to shut up... American schools teach children to do what pleases them



madridguy:
Part of what determine a man's life is society but to me with proper upbringing one could raise a child without the child being influenced negatively with what he/she sees around.

I would like to use Mushin area of Lagos as an example. If you live in Lagos you will understand what its means to tagged someone as Omo-Mushin especially in the 90s.
But believe me, I've met countless of people born and raised at Mushin but they're as calm as someone raised in G.R.A Ikeja.

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Re: Is Africa Really A Better Place to Raise A Child Than The Western World? by awulio(f): 5:13am On Feb 23
America is not the best place to live dude. I know a girl right now that smokes, drinks and even stabbed her brother because the brother told her not to be shouting at the mother.....The mother can’t do anything to discipline the child. The girl has been going in and out of jail since she was 16.....American children are the most ill behaved kids here.....Plus the only reason that American children can invent stuff is because the government invests in the schools... but when it comes to book it’s Indians and Nigerians that are top.... out of 65 Black Harvard medical school students last year 44 were Nigerian.


etrange:
I've had this argument several times. Our pride is all we've got going for us as Africans but we should know when to draw the line. You want to send a child to Africa at his formative age knowing fully well that that's exactly when he needs to be enjoying all the western world has to offer? Foundations are laid in secondary schools, don't let your child miss out on that. Americans are known for inventions while Nigerians are known for scamming. Stereotyping is wrong cause we have both good and bad people everywhere but think about it, are kids really better of in a country like this? I don't think. I think a kid that will be good will be good regardless of where he's raised.
Re: Is Africa Really A Better Place to Raise A Child Than The Western World? by awulio(f): 5:20am On Feb 23
I know a girl that was massively disrespectful, drinking and bringing men to the fathers house at 14....just 2 years in Nigerian boarding school, the girls head reformat and now she’s very respectful.....I believe Nigerian children abroad should Atleast spend 2 years in nigeria during secondary school, so that they will have sense.
KingAzubuike:
The African mentality is so messed up. Why would you want a child to suffer and see hardship before he knows what life is truly about?
Re: Is Africa Really A Better Place to Raise A Child Than The Western World? by etrange: 5:45am On Feb 23
awulio:
America is not the best place to live dude. I know a girl right now that smokes, drinks and even stabbed her brother because the brother told her not to be shouting at the mother.....The mother can’t do anything to discipline the child. The girl has been going in and out of jail since she was 16.....American children are the most ill behaved kids here.....Plus the only reason that American children can invent stuff is because the government invests in the schools... but when it comes to book it’s Indians and Nigerians that are top.... out of 65 Black Harvard medical school students last year 44 were Nigerian.



I never said America was the best place to raise a kid. I said someone living in the western world does not need to send his teens to Nigeria. North America has both Canada's and the US. I only used the US as example but the western world goes beyond America. Yes, you know the story of a useless child but does that really summarise America? Do you have the slightest idea how many stories of people who have killed or maimed their loved ones we see on front page everyday? Have you suddenly forgotten the numerous stories of boys gang rapping younger girls we read everyday here? Does any of these stories summarise Nigeria? No, they don't cause many Nigerians are doing great. Likewise, these deviant kids you read about don't summarise the US cause many US kids are doing great. There'll always be the bad ones but a good number of Nigerian kids abroad are doing just fine.

I am not doubting the intelligence of Nigerians but that intelligence is useless if there's no sound education system to harness it. You said it yourself that the government invest much into education thus making them more inventive. Why then send the teen to Africa at the age when he needs that education the most? You don't need to go Africa to learn skills to survive in America. That's just my point.

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Re: Is Africa Really A Better Place to Raise A Child Than The Western World? by KingAzubuike(f): 6:52am On Feb 23
awulio:
I know a girl that was massively disrespectful, drinking and bringing men to the fathers house at 14....just 2 years in Nigerian boarding school, the girls head reformat and now she’s very respectful.....I believe Nigerian children abroad should Atleast spend 2 years in nigeria during secondary school, so that they will have sense.
Oga forget all these respect talks, it's all about culture. What's seen as normal here is seen as abnormal there and vice versa. Some of those things you tag as respect, if you go abroad , they'll see it as a weird nonsense. For example calling an elder one sir sounds weird to alot of them. If you kneel or bend to greet, they'll be like "wtf is this".

Go to Japan, it's disrespectful to eat in public transport or making loud conversations, here we see it as normal. It's also disrespectful to tip someone but here it's normal, it's not a disrespect. It depends on where you are. If you're in Rome, behave like a roman.
Re: Is Africa Really A Better Place to Raise A Child Than The Western World? by Nobody: 6:58am On Feb 23
WoundedLamb:


I don't think the western world really changed dramatically from what it was 20 years ago. If visiting home was all it took for you to turn out fine, that would have be sufficient for your kids as well.

It has changed a lot. But it's not only the Western world. Things have changed back home too. A visit to a strict disciplinarian for a couple of weeks a year might have been sufficient back then, but not any more;

WoundedLamb:

A kid called 911 and you think that sufficiently supports your argument? Well, I've been on this app for almost 10 years and I've lost count of how many times I read stories of children who killed thier parents. But then I understand there'll always be exceptions. You need to understand that too.

That is too simplistic. Obviously you should know that it couldn't have been an isolated incident, and I was not using it as evidence of anything, merely as a basis for asking whether you or someone you know ever did the same.

WoundedLamb:

Your kids are the "why" types. They didn't have to stay abroad to be that cause of the way you raised even in Africa. Likewise, your kids can imbibe whatever habit you want them to imbibe even while living abroad. I believe kids here are bolder, more curious and more inquisitive. But most importantly, they more practical and less sentimental.

Kids pick up more from their peers than from their parents. Having said that, there are some methods of discipline that can get you reported by nosey neighbours or teachers to CPS and have your kids taken away.

WoundedLamb:

Did you send your kids home or you now live in Nigeria too? If it's the later, then your case is entirely different.

I relocated back before I got married; though I take my kids for occasional visits to their cousins; at least before covid. In the last period, we'd been exploring African travel though. Europe is becoming one vast uninspiring morass of concrete and glitz. Nothing more to learn there. I find Africa to be way more interesting. I'll probably send them back when they want to enroll in the university; or I might not. South Africa and even Nigeria have good schools as well.
Re: Is Africa Really A Better Place to Raise A Child Than The Western World? by madridguy(m): 7:17am On Feb 23
This is serious. You people have a lot of work to do then.


awulio:
Not in America. I live here and my cousins are currently in school here. The things the teachers teach them here is rubbish. Imagine a 5 year old telling their mother “no you can’t tell me what to do or force me to do what I don’t want” or a 12 year old telling an adult to shut up... American schools teach children to do what pleases them



Re: Is Africa Really A Better Place to Raise A Child Than The Western World? by jaxxy(m): 7:26am On Feb 23
WoundedLamb:


You need to pick a position, man. You're not saying superior, yet you believe the American struggle is limited? You are not saying superior, yet you are undermining the American struggle as just running three jobs and all that? You don't need to use the word superior before it can be inferred that you believe the African struggle is more worthwhile.

It's funny cause to you, it's more about which of the struggles is more difficult but that's not criterium. The criterium is which struggle prepares one to survive in the environment where one intends to live. No amount of struggle you can ever have in Africa will prepare you to do construction work in the snow under -25°C. No amount of struggle in Nigeria prepares to you navigate a country where racial dichotomy is at its peak. American struggle isn't just about doing shifts and playing sports, especially for blacks. That's Hollywood bullshit.

I even wonder if you still remember what we are talking about. You are making this about the contribution of immigrants. We are not arguing about who built America. Apart from aboriginals (red Indians), virtually everybody in Canada/US has an immigrant background. Thier parents struggled, that's fine. It doesn't affect the fact they made it in US without having to go back to their parents home countries to suffer small and that's exactly my point. Bill Gates father weren't super rich. His parents were upper middle class just like my parents. He navigated the American system. Oprah Winfrey grew up in the ghetto at a time when blacks were almost nothing. She struggled and made it. Nobody's struggle should be undermined.

My parents struggled the African way, they excelled in Africa before coming here. I am in America, it's illogical for me to go and struggle the African way, and then come back to navigate the American system. Suffering on its own is the real goal, doing what equips you to survive in your type of environment is the goal and there's no better place to prepare for the American life than in America itself.

I think the problem of ur argument is U cannot understand what u have not experienced. Only the person that has gone through it can emphasize better about it’s great importance. If u’ve never walked the shoes to understand u will only argue based on what u brain can comprehend.

Nobody says u can’t succeed without experiencing African struggle bt Ure parents who now live in America bt struggled in Nigeria 1st might see not lack of struggle in the American System. Why it’s alot easier now even though many real Americans are still lazy.

Adaptation skills is what we are talking about if goes beyond snow, ure not an Eskimo leaving and working in Alaska.

Most migrants family did well in American because of the struggle they learnt from in their previous countries and did well In America without any American struggle.

My point is since real Americans are mostly lazy And American was built by migrants who had experiences from elsewhere it’s hard to define the American struggle clearly.

While no struggle is superior they are different. That difference counts for Smtn and it about weather issues. The Americans system is quite good so u don’t have to worry about a lot of things if Ure hardworking. In Africa hardworking or not h must feel the heat because the system is poor. U have to know what ure doing and be on ur toes here. Over there Ure relaxed.

Have u treck from skol home b4? Have struggled to get urself things because the system which shud provide it wouldn’t?? Have seen people around struggle to just eat 1 or 2 square meals?? No NGO or churches share food and clothes here every week or 2weeks. U don’t even have suffer Any if this to understand it our poor systems will train u to appreciate a far more better and robust system. U will appreciate the gaps and see even ideas u never imagined.

U will notice some things/privileges u take for granted In the American struggle/System. My point!

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