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| Re: U.S Supreme Court Allows The Release Of Trump's Tax Returns by salford1: 8:15pm On Feb 22, 2021 |
abbey621:Your argument is that it is impossible for Trump to have evaded tax for years. Since you are this smart and know much more than the NY prosecutors and NY auditor General going after Trump, then Trump should have hired you to help with his tax evasion. You are just another MAGAt. I should have known. Ponmo dey act like beef.  8 Likes |
| Re: U.S Supreme Court Allows The Release Of Trump's Tax Returns by abbey621(m): 8:22pm On Feb 22, 2021 |
salford1: I'm still trying to figure out where the NY prosecutors and auditor general announced they are charging Trump with tax evasion? Let me guess, you pulled this info. out of your ass? 1 Like |
| Re: U.S Supreme Court Allows The Release Of Trump's Tax Returns by salford1: 8:25pm On Feb 22, 2021 |
Twitter is alive. Better on there than dealing with Abbey nairaland's imaginary auditor abi na accountant. 2 Likes
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| Re: U.S Supreme Court Allows The Release Of Trump's Tax Returns by salford1: 8:27pm On Feb 22, 2021 |
abbey621:Don't worry, we shall see nah. You seem to be in a hurry. 5 Likes |
| Re: U.S Supreme Court Allows The Release Of Trump's Tax Returns by salford1: 8:31pm On Feb 22, 2021 |
Don the con is already shitting his pants. This pained him more than losing the presidential election Summary: "I'm a victim, I'm the best, NY hates me, blah, blah, blah, I'm a fucking slowpoke." Apparently, the SCOTUS is filled with Democrats too. Trump goes ahead and insults 3rd world countries when he almost turned the US to a 3rd world country as well in the last few weeks of his reign. 6 Likes
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| Re: U.S Supreme Court Allows The Release Of Trump's Tax Returns by chris51(f): 8:42pm On Feb 22, 2021 |
Koulture: You are wicked ooo but you actually said the truth. Donald Trump who never released his tax returns. No more immunity for him 5 Likes |
| Re: U.S Supreme Court Allows The Release Of Trump's Tax Returns by chris51(f): 8:42pm On Feb 22, 2021 |
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| Re: U.S Supreme Court Allows The Release Of Trump's Tax Returns by ogbonti: 9:05pm On Feb 22, 2021 |
BlackFlamefromP: You are the one who is lost here my friend. If the democrats really believe Trump taxes alone will silence him forever, they won’t spend their precious time pushing for impeachment and conviction even when he left office and became a private citizen. They know as long as Trump breathes and is not legally banned from politics, they have a fight on their hands come 2024!!! |
| Re: U.S Supreme Court Allows The Release Of Trump's Tax Returns by kponkedenge(m): 9:16pm On Feb 22, 2021 |
abbey621: You don't know what you're talking about... Inflating your assets and falsifying tax returns are criminal behaviour and that is exactly what he's been investigated for. He inflated his asset to take loan and then reduced the assets when it comes for time for him to pay his taxes. Trump once claimed he would release his tax returns when he runs for office.... But he never did and even went as far as trying to use the Supreme Court to block the release of his taxes.... That alone should tell you he has a lot of skeletons. He's also being investigated for a few civil lawsuits which only involves fines and possibly forfeiture of assets. But this particular one is criminal in nature and would require jail term if he's found guilty.... That's why he's scared the most about it. 4 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: U.S Supreme Court Allows The Release Of Trump's Tax Returns by Unclefemolala(m): 10:13pm On Feb 22, 2021 |
happney65: It's a witchhunt and that has been what the Dems have focused upon the past months...they should focus their energy on Covid and the economy |
| Re: U.S Supreme Court Allows The Release Of Trump's Tax Returns by abbey621(m): 10:54pm On Feb 22, 2021 |
kponkedenge: Civil case I'm not going to argue with because that is definitely a possibility but we are talking about criminal case here, most specifically tax evasion which is NEVER GOING TO HOLD UP IN COURT! Asset inflation in itself is not criminal, valuations are subjective depending on the time, place and the medium. I can value my house at 200 million Naira today and 2 years later value it at 100 million depending on the market or reality. If a common man like me can put this simple defense forward goodluck presenting a credible case based on asset valuation alone! Now let's come back to the main issue of tax evasion, unless something in his tax returns specifically shows hidden assets or criminal behavior which I seriously doubt, all you've written so far are guesses and assumptions. Like I told the previous guy, read people, READ! It is easier to find a needle in a haystack than to throw an ex- president of the USA in jail, Trump's taxes are audited every year, it is automatic! If you believe the IRS overlooked his tax evasion but NY prosecutors suddenly discovers this bombshell then you're just as confused as Trump's supporters who believe he was rigged out of office. Finally, are corporations people? Can you hold Trump personally liable for Trump's business? Do you undertsand the difference between business taxes and personal taxes? Let's stop fooling ourselves here, you're dealing with the king of litigation, HE AIN'T GOING TO JAIL, I CAN BET MY LIFE SAVINGS ON IT! |
| Re: U.S Supreme Court Allows The Release Of Trump's Tax Returns by salford1: 11:31pm On Feb 22, 2021 |
kponkedenge:Trump is scared and for a good reason. If his hands are cleans, he has nothing to worry about. But from his released statement. He is very worried. He knows the judiciary is not like the senate where he got a slap on the wrist. 4 Likes 1 Share
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| Re: U.S Supreme Court Allows The Release Of Trump's Tax Returns by kponkedenge(m): 11:35pm On Feb 22, 2021 |
abbey621: Maybe I should break it down for you so you can understand.... You go to a bank to seek for a loan. Let's assume your company is worth $5m... And in the process of doing that, you inflate your assets so that the bank would assume you are actually worth $20m dollars... Then the Bank grants you the loan. When it comes to the time for you to pay your taxes, you reduce your assets so as to pay little or no taxes.... And you claim that's not criminal? Even in Nigeria, there are fraud units in Banks that investigate things like this and if you're found guilty... You'd go to jail. Another one Trump did was to fill out a paperwork for refund of taxes from the IRS worth around $72m when he wasn't even paying any federal income taxes at that time. This right here is big time fraud. Remember his personal lawyer Michael Cohen went to jail for campaign finance violations that he did on behalf of Trump. I agree that Trump has not really been held accountable for many things he has done... That even an average person would already be in handcuffs.... But this time, I don't see him escaping this Look whether Trump was a former president or not, this is huge... And I'll advise you not to try and gamble on him escaping jail term for this cos your money would go. 4 Likes |
| Re: U.S Supreme Court Allows The Release Of Trump's Tax Returns by nullboss: 11:52pm On Feb 22, 2021 |
 wow.. Too many clowns on here. They never learn |
| Re: U.S Supreme Court Allows The Release Of Trump's Tax Returns by abbey621(m): 12:07am On Feb 23, 2021 |
kponkedenge: Maybe you've not been involved in litigations like this but I have and I have been summoned once on behalf of a company I audited. There's a thing called due diligence, financial institutions are required to conduct due diligence before granting loans. Evaluations are subjective unless it comes from a third party or independent party. You can't just say a customer claims his assets are worth 100 million so let's grant him 100 million loan without conducting due diligence. I am also a business owner in the USA and the last loan of 500,000 dollars we were granted was based on our bank statments, tax returns, credit scores and reputation, so I fail to see what you mean by lying to get a loan, this is the subjective crap that gets tossed out in court because it is not valid evidence, were bank statements forged? Tax returns forged? What exactly is the criminal offense here? Misrepresentation? Now the 72 million that you mentioned is not even about Trump but his businesses, this was why I asked do you know the difference between business taxes and personal taxes? A business can be refunded millions if they suffered great losses over the years, Trump has had over 30 businesses and majority of them have suffered great losses which he can write off, depreciate or ammortize. I don't want to get into financial jargon but you get the drift. I'm sorry but once again you've failed to state anything that will actually stick as criminal tax evasion. The worst case scenario here is a heavy fine and seizure of assets yet even that isn't likely to happen knowing how long Trump delays litigation, it might take 7-10 years before any meaningful results adn by then , my nigga Trump might already be chilling 6 feet under. |
| Re: U.S Supreme Court Allows The Release Of Trump's Tax Returns by drediamond(m): 12:09am On Feb 23, 2021 |
abbey621: Lol, I have been seeing your back and forth with the other guys. Sometimes I just don't want to engage some folks who are inadvertently blinded by hate or being spoonfed without themselves reading between the lines. Even though I disagree with some of your postulation about the eventual outcome of the case. The thing is, this is going to look really bad on Trump. They might prove that his business is not what it seems or as big on paper, like over-exaggeration of asset declaration to secure loans and some shrouded financial tax dealings. But, this is not specific to Trump alone. In fact, many US billionaires try to evade the system by hiring top audit firms to find loopholes in the tax system for their benefits. Would this lead to Trump going to jail? Lol, I doubt, I do not think it will happen. This just a bigger campaign to nail him politically and send a message to future politicians that they are not above the establishment that built them. Why is it that NY officials just woke up from their slumber to investigate him in 2016 after he announced for Presidency under GOP and broaden their investigation to every aspect of his life during 2018? It was so ridiculous that they asked for all his documents from his college days to his present day. Obama sealed his college records and many other documents from the public and government institutions, same as Bush Jr and Biden. Where are the NYC democrats when Trump was one of their top donors as a democrat for decades? They are now investigating Trump for his past decade's dealings of shush money payment and other personal dealings after he ditches the party. If this is a big deal, why is the IRS hasn't raised a serious flag even though they do have the said records? Why didn't Muller find an indictment on Trump during the Muller Russian Collusion probe? We learned later that the special counsel does have all Trump Tax records for further investigation. You see, Trump of course is not totally clean, personally and business-wise, the same can be said for many New York businesspeople in wall street and many sectors. To me, this is just a partisan political hit job against him. The guy created a lot of enemies and step on many toes in the political system. He dares challenge anyone of them and bluntly call their hypocrisy bullshit without remorse, which many has not seen in Washington. Why do you think many supporters like his guts? NY Cuomo for example obstructs and threatens officials under him forbidden them to announced on nursing death counts and many of his major scandals regarding his handling of nursing home deaths. If he is a Republican, indictments, and lawsuits will be flowing around as we speak. You see, it's all political nailing, and Trump will smell a lot of it. |
| Re: U.S Supreme Court Allows The Release Of Trump's Tax Returns by abbey621(m): 12:16am On Feb 23, 2021 |
drediamond: Finally someone that can READ! you'll notice I don't argue with these guys about civil lawsuits or reputational damage, my main cup of tea is criminal liability or Trump going to jail. When it comes to criminality, they fail to realize, it is one thing to convict a man based on his personal dealings, it is another to hold him personally liable for business dealings. I keep telling those who care to know that the IRS audits Trump automatically every year, it is non negotiable but these internet warriors seem to think NY prosecutors are going to wave their Harry Porter wand and perform magic |
| Re: U.S Supreme Court Allows The Release Of Trump's Tax Returns by salford1: 12:18am On Feb 23, 2021 |
The guy above brought out his 2nd Monika, and is now talking to himself. Same writing style 1 Like |
| Re: U.S Supreme Court Allows The Release Of Trump's Tax Returns by salford1: 12:19am On Feb 23, 2021 |
Even the Don junior is worried.. The good thing is that if his father is innocent, he has absolutely nothing to worry about. But just like the dad, the junior seems pretty concerned. 2 Likes
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| Re: U.S Supreme Court Allows The Release Of Trump's Tax Returns by salford1: 12:23am On Feb 23, 2021 |
Republican SCOTUS Justice Kavanaugh, Justice Barret and Justice Gorsuch are all very terrible investment for the Trump's crime family 4 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: U.S Supreme Court Allows The Release Of Trump's Tax Returns by kponkedenge(m): 12:25am On Feb 23, 2021 |
abbey621: I'm tired and want to sleep now... Don't wanna continue with this back and forth.... But I'll remember to quote this your handle in a few weeks or months time when it finally happens. The handwriting is already on the wall for Trump that is why he has gone to great lengths to hide his tax returns. Ask yourself why he has been hiding it from the public for so long.... even going as far as taking the matter to the Supreme Court just because of ordinary tax if there's nothing there? Something he once claimed he would release on his own. Trump is the first President since Richard Nixon to not release his tax returns before running for President because he didn't want people to know he paid little or no taxes. A lot of people do mean Trump because of his attitude... and I just don't see how he can wriggle his way out of this situation. 4 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: U.S Supreme Court Allows The Release Of Trump's Tax Returns by Nobody: 12:28am On Feb 23, 2021 |
No big deal, all of us businessmen has to show tax reaturns, including meself, just call your accountants and they will sort it out. 1 Like |
| Re: U.S Supreme Court Allows The Release Of Trump's Tax Returns by Susily(m): 12:28am On Feb 23, 2021 |
[quote author=kponkedenge post=99329301] You don't know what you're talking about... Inflating your assets and falsifying tax returns are criminal behaviour and that is exactly what he's been investigated for. He inflated his asset to take loan and then reduced the assets when it comes for time for him to pay his taxes. Trump once claimed he would release his tax returns when he runs for office.... But he never did and even went as far as trying to use the Supreme Court to block the release of his taxes.... That alone should tell you he has a lot of skeletons. He's also being investigated for a few civil lawsuits which only involves fines and possibly forfeiture of assets. But this particular one is criminal in nature and would require jail term if he's found guilty.... That's why he's scared the most about it. [/quopte] How did you know Trump inflated his asset to take loan and reduced his assets when it comes to paying taxes  Have you seen his tax returns or you're just making assumptions? |
| Re: U.S Supreme Court Allows The Release Of Trump's Tax Returns by Goodvibes007: 12:28am On Feb 23, 2021 |
Trump and his son claimed Mueller's investigation was a witch hunt and hoax, yet his associates got indictments, entered guilty pleas, and Cohen(his personal attorney) even went to jail for the hoax. Trump's saving grace was his immunity as a POTUS 3 Likes |
| Re: U.S Supreme Court Allows The Release Of Trump's Tax Returns by abbey621(m): 12:32am On Feb 23, 2021 |
kponkedenge: I already told you why he hid it, he does not want to seem poorer than he is and he does not want the public to know he does not pay taxes, it was strictly reputational and there's no crime in that but once again believe what you will, we can't all see the light, sleep well my friend |
| Re: U.S Supreme Court Allows The Release Of Trump's Tax Returns by drediamond(m): 12:39am On Feb 23, 2021 |
Goodvibes007: Of course, yes many were indicted. But, please without insult, can you name anyone that went to jail or indicted base on Russia's collusion or anything related to the conspiracy of Russians' collusion with the Trump campaign on which the investigation was actually subjected on? |
| Re: U.S Supreme Court Allows The Release Of Trump's Tax Returns by Goodvibes007: 12:52am On Feb 23, 2021 |
drediamond:We are all here to learn and no need insult either direct or subtle. For the Russian collusion, Mike Cohen (personal lawyer) went to Jail and also said Trump should be jailed for the exact reason he was jailed. Rick Gates went to jail Former Trump campaign adviser George Papadopoulos went to jail too. https://time.com/5556331/mueller-investigation-indictments-guilty-pleas/ https://www.businessinsider.com/michael-cohen-book-foreword-trump-will-never-leave-office-peacefully-2020-8 Trump doesn't need to worry. If he didn’t engage in tax fraud or loan fraud, then he has nothing to hide(which he has been hiding for a longtime anyway) 2 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: U.S Supreme Court Allows The Release Of Trump's Tax Returns by Nobody: 12:58am On Feb 23, 2021 |
Talk bout getting fvcked in the ass without lube or vaseline, sh** is gonna hurt like hell! 1 Like |
| Re: U.S Supreme Court Allows The Release Of Trump's Tax Returns by Goodvibes007: 1:15am On Feb 23, 2021 |
A National Post article from last year. The National Post is a conservative media house: https://nationalpost.com/news/no-longer-shielded-by-presidential-cloak-of-immunity-trump-could-face-litany-of-lawsuits-on-exit-from-white-house No longer shielded by presidential 'cloak of immunity,' Trump could face litany of lawsuits on exit from White House. Estimates of the number of cases vary, with some experts suggesting that there could be more than a dozen Author of the article: Devika Desai Publishing date:Nov 11, 2020 Last Updated November 12, 2020 Trump’s departure from the Oval Office could expose him to a host of lawsuits and investigations, now that he is no longer protected by the presidential “cloak of immunity”, legal experts say. From allegations of tax evasion to potential charges arising out of the Mueller investigation into alleged Russian interference in the 2016 election, the outgoing president and his legal team can expect to spend some time in court. Estimates of the number of cases vary, with some experts suggesting that there could be more than a dozen. That’s not to say that Trump fully evaded scrutiny while in office. Throughout his presidency, Trump has unsuccessfully fought tooth and nail to avoid the public release of his tax returns, with the Supreme Court rejecting his argument that he has immunity due to his office. The Mueller report, published after a federal probe into whether Russia interfered in the 2016 election, was also fraught with delays and obstructions by the president and his attorneys to prevent interviews being conducted and testimonies coming to light. The final report listed 10 incidents in which the president may have obstructed justice. Mueller, in the end, cited the Justice Department’s long-standing policy that a sitting president cannot be prosecuted for criminal offences when investigators decided not to determine whether Trump interfered in the investigation. However, the immunity is only for actions taken by Trump while he is in office and “it stops there,” David Weinstein, a former Florida federal prosecutor told USA Today. “The short answer is that once he leaves the office, his cloak of immunity, actual or implied by (Justice Department guidelines), will disappear.” Which means that like it or not, once Trump steps out of the office on Jan. 20, not only will he have to adjust to the new reality of life as a private citizen, but will also have to quickly find a way to protect himself against a litany of pending lawsuits and investigations, civil and criminal. “He’s very vulnerable to prosecution,” Jimmy Gurule, a former Justice Department official in the George H.W. Bush administration told USA Today, referring to the investigation into Trump’s tax returns and other financial documents. “I think the threat is very real and very substantial.” Currently, the two most significant legal threats Trump faces once he leaves the White House are investigations by Manhattan and New York prosecutors into his personal and professional financial dealings. Prosecutors in Manhattan have subpoenaed eight years of Trump tax returns as part of an investigation that started with a probe into payments made during Trump’s 2016 election campaign and extended to two women who claimed to have had affairs with Trump before he became president. Prosecutors are also looking into potential criminal activity within the Trump organization. During his time in office, Trump has slammed the investigation as a ‘political prosecution’, but his legal pleas to shield his tax returns have fallen on deaf ears within the Supreme Court. In a 7-2 landmark ruling, the court ruled that no one, “not even the President, is categorically above the common duty to produce evidence when called upon in a criminal proceeding.” Trump has since appealed to the Supreme Court a second time and judges have yet to decide whether to hear the case again. New York State Attorney General Letitia James is also investigating claims that Trump’s company inflated the value of its assets to secure loans and get tax benefits after Michael Cohen, Trump’s former personal attorney, claimed to Congress that the president lied about his assets. The average prison sentence for tax evasion is three to five years. The maximum fine is $250,000 for individuals and $500,000 for corporations. Cohen, meanwhile, is also suing Trump over the cost of his legal bills, which amounted to more than $2 million. In his suit, Cohen argued that Trump and his company agreed to cover the cost of his bills after Cohen became the focus of investigations by New York prosecutors and the Russia special counsel’s office. However once Cohen decided to co-operate with prosecutors, he alleged that the Trump Organization immediately stopped paying his bills. Trump will also face a number of defamation lawsuits, namely from women who have accused him of sexual assault and denigrating them publicly. Trump has repeatedly denied all allegations of assault. Former Elle magazine writer E. Jean Carroll accused Trump of raping her in a Bergdorf Goodman dressing room in New York City in the mid-1990s. Trump, in turn, accused Carroll of lying to boost the sales of her memoir which include a description of the incident. In 2019, Carroll sued the president for defamation. She is also seeking DNA evidence from Trump to determine whether his genetic material matches that found on the dress she said she wore during the alleged rape. Initially the Justice Department intervened on Trump’s behalf, arguing that he was acting in his official duties when he denied the allegations. However, the intervention was perceived to protect the president from legal action in the middle of a reelection campaign and a federal judge ultimately blocked the intervention, ruling that Trump’s comments about Carroll “have no relationship to the official business of the United States.” Former “Apprentice” contestant Summer Zervos filed a similar lawsuit in New York state court, alleging that Trump forced himself on her multiple times a decade earlier by kissing and groping her. After Trump accused her of lying, she filed a defamation lawsuit against him in 2017. Trump may also face a lawsuit from one of his own family members, his niece Mary Trump, who first entered the spotlight after she released sordid details on her family in a book published earlier this year. In her suit, she alleged that Trump and his siblings cheated her out of millions of dollars in inheritance and gradually removed her from the family business. “Fraud was not just the family business – it was a way of life,” according to a lawsuit filed in September in New York state court. 1 Like |
| Re: U.S Supreme Court Allows The Release Of Trump's Tax Returns by drediamond(m): 1:35am On Feb 23, 2021 |
Goodvibes007: Lol did you read the attached link which answered your question? It reads and I quote in the article " But Mueller did not charge or suggest charges for anyone on one of the biggest questions he faced: whether the Trump campaign worked with the Russians to influence the election". That is what brought about the special counsel, but Muller went rouge and started digging into associates' personal dealings that are unrelated to the real investigation. Cohen was indicted mainly for his previous personal finance deals that are unrelated whatsoever with Trump, the crime associated with Trump is the campaign laws violation about shush money payments to the porn star. And by the way, the porn star has come out to deny such tho. Even if that is true, you think that will warrant a jail term for ex-President. A violation many current US politicians are guilty of, but dishonestly denied being in control of the campaign funds. You see for the tax evasion issue, he is just trying to exempt from further political nailing from NY prosecutors or adversaries who will do anything to nail a crime on him. If the Fed wants to nail you will a crime, they will do anything to find that crime, if you think you are honest or holy in your dealings since birth, they will find out something to get at you, even things you do not have knowledge of, that is how powerful the Feds is. When the Feds are out to get you, then you are good as done. Especially someone has complex as Trump, they know if they dig further they will definitely find something at the end of the tunnel. It is not Trump being afraid, it's being cautious knowing how vicious these people are. If FBI and CIA operatives could falsify email documents and tamper or alter exculpatory evidence against Trump and get away with it, then they could do anything to get him. |
| Re: U.S Supreme Court Allows The Release Of Trump's Tax Returns by budaatum: 2:00am On Feb 23, 2021 |
kponkedenge:Even if he does not do jail time, being found guilty alone will damage him. But it's trump. He'll probably be damaged enough just by the release of his tax records because he very likely lied since its par for course for property developers. His goose is toast, I reckon. |
| Re: U.S Supreme Court Allows The Release Of Trump's Tax Returns by budaatum: 2:00am On Feb 23, 2021 |
Unclefemolala:Trump is a witch. He deserves to be hunted. |
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