budaatum:


And you expect the crappy ignorant belief you uttered above to matter one single iota to buda?

Go on. Say it seriously. Make buda really laugh.

You’re a subject of mirth. Buda is the one who makes us laugh.

Martian:


You’re a subject of mirth. Buda is the one who makes us laugh.

"Us", Martian? I don't see other Martians like you here.

budaatum:


"Us", Martian? I don't see other Martians like you here.

Martian and the logos. We breathe into mud together and create life.

budaatum:


And you expect the crappy ignorant belief you uttered above to matter one single iota to buda?

Go on. Say it seriously. Make buda really laugh.

Do you have children?

Ihedinobi3:


Very well. I have made my input. It is clear that it doesn't suit you.

As for what my job is, isn't it interesting that you now deign to define it for me? Not only are you so confident that the Bible contradicts itself, you now also know for certain that a pastor-teacher's job is to teach whether he is believed or not. As with your first claim, I know that you will not substantiate that claim either, so there is no point asking you to do so.

For what it is worth, we are commanded by the Lord Jesus to not give holy things to dogs or cast our pearls before swine lest they trample these precious things underfoot and turn around and tear us to pieces. That is what the Bible actually says. Since my job is defined by the Bible and not you, I would say that I shouldn't care how you are pleased to define my job if your definition runs counter to the Bible.

As for being deterred by the fact that you would argue with my stance, I think that even my comments here would show that you are making yet another false claim. I have only said that I will not commit myself to never-ending arguments and quarrels with you. By all means, argue with me if you want. I am a teacher, not a dictator. What I won't do is waste my time in frivolous debates that accomplish nothing of value for anybody. After all, it is the Bible that tells teachers to stay away from such things as well.

Please, feel free to accuse me of anything you please. If you want to hear what I believe, I will gladly tell you. But claiming that I don't care as much for the great commission as I do for my ego is no proof at all that the Gospel is your concern. It is nothing more than bait for me to wade into meaningless debating with you. I have more than a couple thousand posts on this one account alone to show that I am not shy of teaching the Gospel under all kinds of circumstances. The fact that you want a frivolous debate is the only thing that is stopping me here.

But you haven't made your input on this topic, you have only given reasons why you won't make your input.
I'm actually quite interested in your input knowing you're a Pastor/Teacher.

Do you agree or disagree with my highlighted points in the post?

About Trinity
There are verses that say God is one and no one else beside him.
There are verses that say Jesus is the Son of God
And also verses that say Jesus is in fact also God hence contradicting the fact that God is one?

About Eternal Salvation
Once saved is forever saved. Or you can be saved today and lose your salavayion by your own actions/sins.

About Tithing
Just as other Laws in the old testament have been abolished, does it not mean that Tithing is also abolished? In the new testament, neither Jesus nor the Apostles demanded Tithes, they only encouraged cheerful giving as one wills.

About Faith and Works
Does faith alone save. Or faith without works is dead?

About Sin
Can a Christian still commit sin?
And is there sin in heaven?

Of course the other points are pretty clear enough.

Kobojunkie:
Meaning it could not be discerned by following His words alone except by the Spirit of God? Well, the average individual is not able to discern, say discrete math, unless under the guidance of an instructor in the field either. In a similar manner, the Spirit of Truth, the Spirit who was inside of Jesus Christ, serves as the one and only Teacher to all those who are followers of Jesus Christ, helping them discern all Truths that have to do with Jesus Christ.
Jesus Christ did not discriminate against the gentiles in much the same way that Peter did. Jesus Christ was sent to the lost sheep of Israel, the Jews. However, while He was with them, He encountered gentiles and did indeed engage them as He could.

Peter was sent into the world by Jesus Christ but apparently he, Peter, did not understand that that included even to the Gentiles, and so the Spirit of Truth, revealed that to Him as we read of.
Note what it was that was supposedly revealed to Peter in His Vision, and read the passage below... to understand when the Spirit of Truth commanded Him to also not that which God has made unclean.

The Spirit of Truth took from what Jesus Christ had already taught His disciples, revealing to Peter a truth he was still missing. The Truth He, the Spirit of Truth recess to His servants are Truts rooted in the very teachings of Jesus Christ.

If after this, Peter still resisted associating with Gentiles, it was likely Peter himself hesitated, and not because of some problem with Jesus Christ's teaching of the truth revealed Him by the Spirit of God. It is hard to break from that which you have been raised/indoctrinated with, to instead follow different teaching, in Peter's case, the teachings of Jesus Christ.

The same can be said of those of us who chose to follow Him even today, especially those who do it later in life.
What? I am aware of that opinion, but I don't think that is entirely the truth of what in fact happened.

Matter of fact, it is recorded, that the other disciples went to other parts of the world beginning when the believers were scattered out of Jerusalem. The Spirit of God Himself dispersed them all to different parts of the world as He would. From my researching what I learnt what became of the Apostles, I came upon on information that suggest they indeed while out in Gentile-world. E.g. Andrew is suspected to have gone as far east as Georgia where there is to this day there a legend that Andrew was the first Christian teacher to make it to them.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_the_Apostle
I don't see the contradiction which you declare.

Matthew 15:21-28
(T)Then Jesus went out from there and departed to the region of Tyre and Sidon. 22 And behold, a woman of Canaan came from that region and cried out to Him, saying, “Have mercy on me, O Lord, (U)Son of David! My daughter is severely demon-possessed.”

23 But He answered her not a word.

And His disciples came and urged Him, saying, “Send her away, for she cries out after us.”

24 But He answered and said, (V)“I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”

25 Then she came and worshiped Him, saying, “Lord, help me!”

26 But He answered and said, “It is not good to take the children’s bread and throw it to the little (W)dogs.”

27 And she said, “Yes, Lord, yet even the little dogs eat the crumbs which fall from their masters’ table.”

28 Then Jesus answered and said to her, “O woman, (X)great is your faith! Let it be to you as you desire.” And her daughter was healed from that very hour.


This is where the contradiction is. Initially, he wasn't sent to Gentiles except only Israelites.
Of course, whenever he found great faith in the Gentlies he bypassed protocol to heal them.

This like you rightly said prompted Peter himself to find it difficult going to the Gentiles.

But after the Holyspirit was given, he sent the disciples to go to the whole world gentiles and israelitrs.

Do you see how the dispensation of the Holyspirit changed the initial position of Jesus concerning Gentiles?

How then can you be so confident that other positions of Jesus did not change now that the Holyspirit has been given?

How then can you say the epistoes of apostles Paul, Peter, James etc cannot be taken seriously even when Jesus himself said he petitioned God to send the Holyspirit so that they could bear the things he could not share.

You cannot cherry pick only the words of Jesus Christ and discard the words of the Apostles He himself sent
to do greater works than him.

Myer:


But you haven't made your input on this topic, you have only given reasons why you won't make your input.
I'm actually quite interested in your input knowing you're a Pastor/Teacher.

Do you agree or disagree with my highlighted points in the post?

About Trinity
There are verses that say God is one and no one else beside him.
There are verses that say Jesus is the Son of God
And also verses that say Jesus is in fact also God hence contradicting the fact that God is one?

About Eternal Salvation
Once saved is forever saved. Or you can be saved today and lose your salavayion by your own actions/sins.

About Tithing
Just as other Laws in the old testament have been abolished, does it not mean that Tithing is also abolished? In the new testament, neither Jesus nor the Apostles demanded Tithes, they only encouraged cheerful giving as one wills.

About Faith and Works
Does faith alone save. Or faith without works is dead?

About Sin
Can a Christian still commit sin?
And is there sin in heaven?

Of course the other points are pretty clear enough.

For the sake of courtesy, I'll repeat that I believe that it is best to deal with the claim you made that the Bible is contradictory before addressing the specific doctrinal issues you raised. There is no point in trying to explain biblical positions if they are already contradictory. Either we must allow for the possibility that there is no contradiction so that there is some sense in exploring the meanings of those doctrines in the Bible or else we must ignore all possibility that those issues can be explained in some meaningful yet non-contradictory way.

Please understand that I don't believe that any further input of mine matters worth a nickel to you if the input above means nothing to you either. The above is my input. It can be expanded, but only if it is worth doing so.

Do with my input what you please.

Ihedinobi3:


For the sake of courtesy, I'll repeat that I believe that it is best to deal with the claim you made that the Bible is contradictory before addressing the specific doctrinal issues you raised. There is no point in trying to explain biblical positions if they are already contradictory. Either we must allow for the possibility that there is no contradiction so that there is some sense in exploring the meanings of those doctrines in the Bible or else we must ignore all possibility that those issues can be explained in some meaningful yet non-contradictory way.

Please understand that I don't believe that any further input of mine matters worth a nickel to you if the input above means nothing to you either. The above is my input. It can be expanded, but only if it is worth doing so.

Do with my input what you please.

Hmm.
What if your input could convince me and others otherwise?

Everyone is entitled to an opinion right? It is either the opinion is confirmed or proven wrong.

I honestly would like us to dissect the bible's stand on these issues I highlighted. If truly you believe the bible's stand is consistent.

Myer:


Hmm.
What if your input could convince me and others otherwise?

Everyone is entitled to an opinion right? It is either the opinion is confirmed or proven wrong.

I honestly would like us to dissect the bible's stand on these issues I highlighted. If truly you believe the bible's stand is consistent.

Obviously, it hasn't. Isn't that the point? If I cannot persuade you of the right way to go about examining Scriptural positions, how on earth could I persuade you that the positions themselves are true and correct?

Of course, everyone has a right to believe and claim whatever they want. Any consequence due to such beliefs and claims are, after all, their responsibility to bear as well. What I don't see is why I need to indulge a false position for no reason. If you want to believe for no reason that the Bible contradicts itself, you are certainly entitled to that belief. I am not responsible to do more than accept your right to believe whatever you want. I certainly cannot force you to examine your position if you don't want to. But neither will I be forced to assume that it is true just to demonstrate that it isn't. That would be a right foolish thing to do.

As I said before, you are unlikely to succeed at baiting me into this debate. I have no doubt that the Bible's position is true. But I have no desire to force that position on you. Nor will I waste my time trying to persuade you of something you have decided cannot be true. If you want to dissect the Bible's position with me, I believe that the reasonable and productive way to go about it is to address and dissect your own assumptions about the Bible first. That is, after all, the point you wish to prove.

Ihedinobi3:


Obviously, it hasn't. Isn't that the point? If I cannot persuade you of the right way to go about examining Scriptural positions, how on earth could I persuade you that the positions themselves are true and correct?

Of course, everyone has a right to believe and claim whatever they want. Any consequence due to such beliefs and claims are, after all, their responsibility to bear as well. What I don't see is why I need to indulge a false position for no reason. If you want to believe for no reason that the Bible contradicts itself, you are certainly entitled to that belief. I am not responsible to do more than accept your right to believe whatever you want. I certainly cannot force you to examine your position if you don't want to. But neither will I be forced to assume that it is true just to demonstrate that it isn't. That would be a right foolish thing to do.

As I said before, you are unlikely to succeed at baiting me into this debate. I have no doubt that the Bible's position is true. But I have no desire to force that position on you. Nor will I waste my time trying to persuade you of something you have decided cannot be true. If you want to dissect the Bible's position with me, I believe that the reasonable and productive way to go about it is to address and dissect your own assumptions about the Bible first. That is, after all, the point you wish to prove.

Why you keep assuming that I am simply baiting you into argument is quite remiss of you.
At this juncture, I can say you have successfully worn out my patience.

Myer:
Matthew 15:21-28
(T)Then Jesus went out from there and departed to the region of Tyre and Sidon. 22 And behold, a woman of Canaan came from that region and cried out to Him, saying, “Have mercy on me, O Lord, (U)Son of David! My daughter is severely demon-possessed.”
23 But He answered her not a word.
And His disciples came and urged Him, saying, “Send her away, for she cries out after us.”
24 But He answered and said, (V)“I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”

25 Then she came and worshiped Him, saying, “Lord, help me!”
26 But He answered and said, “It is not good to take the children’s bread and throw it to the little (W)dogs.”
27 And she said, “Yes, Lord, yet even the little dogs eat the crumbs which fall from their masters’ table.”
28 Then Jesus answered and said to her, “O woman, (X)great is your faith! Let it be to you as you desire.” And her daughter was healed from that very hour.

This is where the contradiction is. Initially, he wasn't sent to Gentiles except only Israelites.
Of course, whenever he found great faith in the Gentlies he bypassed protocol to heal them.

Like I mentioned in my previous post, He, Jesus Christ was sent by God to the Lost sheep of Israelite, to teach them His New Covenant. Now, healing the gentiles was not out of the question, but He made it clear everywhere He went that He was there specifically for the lost sheep of Israel, just as the Prophets told. So I am not certain why you see "contradiction" when according to the Prophets, He came with a New Covenant for the children of God.

Myer:
This like you rightly said prompted Peter himself to find it difficult going to the Gentiles.
But after the Holyspirit was given, he sent the disciples to go to the whole world gentiles and israelitrs.
Do you see how the dispensation of the Holyspirit changed the initial position of Jesus concerning Gentiles?

There are problems with the assertions you make and the questions you ask leading me to again suggest that you go back to read the Gospels so you have a better grasp of who Jesus Christ is, in relation to the Spirit of God whom you think exists separate from He, Jesus Christ, and the why of His mission.

As I said before, Jesus Christ was sent to present the Gospel of the Kingdom of Heaven to the lost sheep of Israel - that had to happen first, which is exactly what He did. The plan had been from the time of Abraham though that through Israel, all nations would be saved. So, when Jesus Christ's mission was completed, He then sent His disciples out into the world to teach the same Gospel He had spent about 3 and a half years teaching them, to all nations.

Please bear in mind that the one you call the Spirit of God is in fact the Spirit that lived inside of Jesus Christ when He was here on earth with His disciples. So the idea that the Spirit of God who Jesus Christ promised His disciples -the Spirit of Truth - is some entity that has His own mind and plan, please toss that out. That is part reason why I suggested earlier that you read through the Gospel of John so as to get a better picture of who the Spirit of Truth really is.

Realize that Jesus Christ did not send out automatons but instead He sent out humans who happened to also be His disciples to go carry His teachings into the world. That Peter had a had time opening up to Gentiles was because he was a human being. Growing up under Jewish tradition back in their day, Gentiles were considered unclean and so they, Jewish folks, were not even supposed to eat or be seen among them. So, when the call came, the Spirit of God took the opportunity to remind Peter of what Jesus Christ had already taught Him to do, and Peter obeyed and went to Cornelius's house, ate and prayed with as the Spirit instructed him to.

Like I said before, those who are of the opinion that Peter hesitated, causing God to change his mind, or something of that nature, are entitled to that opinion. And that is that.

Myer:
How then can you be so confident that other positions of Jesus did not change now that the Holyspirit has been given?

Please do go back and read through the Gospels so you better understand who Jesus Christ really is, and who the Spirit of God is as well.

Myer:
How then can you say the epistoes of apostles Paul, Peter, James etc cannot be taken seriously even when Jesus himself said he petitioned God to send the Holyspirit so that they could bear the things he could not share.

All this stems from your understanding as far as who Jesus Christ is and who the Spirit of Truth is in relation to Jesus Christ, as well as your understanding of the Master/Servant relationship that exists in this case.

Myer:
You cannot cherry pick only the words of Jesus Christ and discard the words of the Apostles He himself sent
to do greater works than him.

When you read through the gospels, and gain even the basic understanding of Jesus Christ and the relationship that exists between His person and then, then I am sure you will have a better grasp of why you not in fact asking the right questions here. It will never makes sense to try to compare God's actions to man's actions, will it?

Myer:


Why you keep assuming that I am simply baiting you into argument is quite remiss of you.
At this juncture, I can say you have successfully worn out my patience.

Interesting. Not only am I not making assumptions about that according to you, I have also been trying your patience.

Obviously, I have explained several times that I won't discuss the doctrinal points you raised without addressing why you believe that the Bible is contradictory. You have essentially called me chicken if I didn't debate with you. You have tried to play on my ego by invoking my status as a pastor-teacher to get me to debate with you. You have pretended to be interested in my answers to get me to debate the examples you produced too. But somehow, it is I who am assuming that you are simply baiting me into argument. That is funny.

As for wearing out your patience, I have been the one repeating myself all along. I made clear that you were under no obligation to bother with my point of view, yet you kept trying to get me to debate on your terms. Just because I have courteously refused to, explaining in different ways that I can't do more than ask you to clarify your position, you accuse me of wearing out your patience. That is funny too.

Cheers.

Ihedinobi3:


Interesting. Not only am I not making assumptions about that according to you, I have also been trying your patience.

Obviously, I have explained several times that I won't discuss the doctrinal points you raised without addressing why you believe that the Bible is contradictory. You have essentially called me chicken if I didn't debate with you. You have tried to play on my ego by invoking my status as a pastor-teacher to get me to debate with you. You have pretended to be interested in my answers to get me to debate the examples you produced too. But somehow, it is I who am assuming that you are simply baiting me into argument. That is funny.

As for wearing out your patience, I have been the one repeating myself all along. I made clear that you were under no obligation to bother with my point of view, yet you kept trying to get me to debate on your terms. Just because I have courteously refused to, explaining in different ways that I can't do more than ask you to clarify your position, you accuse me of wearing out your patience. That is funny too.

Cheers.

Shut up!

Ihedinobi3:


Interesting. Not only am I not making assumptions about that according to you, I have also been trying your patience.

Obviously, I have explained several times that I won't discuss the doctrinal points you raised without addressing why you believe that the Bible is contradictory. You have essentially called me chicken if I didn't debate with you. You have tried to play on my ego by invoking my status as a pastor-teacher to get me to debate with you. You have pretended to be interested in my answers to get me to debate the examples you produced too. But somehow, it is I who am assuming that you are simply baiting me into argument. That is funny.

As for wearing out your patience, I have been the one repeating myself all along. I made clear that you were under no obligation to bother with my point of view, yet you kept trying to get me to debate on your terms. Just because I have courteously refused to, explaining in different ways that I can't do more than ask you to clarify your position, you accuse me of wearing out your patience. That is funny too.

Cheers.

Before I even knew you were a pastor or teacher, I was simply interested in your input as a Christian.

I was not baiting you. I was simply like any one who has a question on his mind, interested in your answer and position.

But I understand how the fact that NLders have probably baited you into arguments and you have assumed the position that every thread is opened with the intention of arguments.

As you may have noticed even on this thread, there are some arguments already which I have deliberately avoided knowing fully well that it derails this topic.

As you may also have noticed, I hardly comment on posts here, cos I'm pretty aversed to arguments.

My point is simply to seek the truth and also de-religionize whoever is bound to religious doctrines simply because they just do not read their bibles and get enslaved b their churches.

I find myself in this interesting position having been a teacher of the scriptures myself until the inconsistencies and uncertainties threw me off.

Kobojunkie:
Like I mentioned in my previous post, He, Jesus Christ was sent by God to the Lost sheep of Israelite, to teach them His New Covenant. Now, healing the gentiles was not out of the question, but He made it clear everywhere He went that He was there specifically for the lost sheep of Israel, just as the Prophets told. So I am not certain why you see "contradiction" when according to the Prophets, He came with a New Covenant for the children of God.
There are problems with the assertions you make and the questions you ask leading me to again suggest that you go back to read the Gospels so you have a better grasp of who Jesus Christ is, in relation to the Spirit of God whom you think exists separate from He, Jesus Christ, and the why of His mission.

As I said before, Jesus Christ was sent to present the Gospel of the Kingdom of Heaven to the lost sheep of Israel - that had to happen first, which is exactly what He did. The plan had been from the time of Abraham though that through Israel, all nations would be saved. So, when Jesus Christ's mission was completed, He then sent His disciples out into the world to teach the same Gospel He had spent about 3 and a half years teaching them, to all nations.

Please bear in mind that the one you call the Spirit of God is in fact the Spirit that lived inside of Jesus Christ when He was here on earth with His disciples. So the idea that the Spirit of God who Jesus Christ promised His disciples -the Spirit of Truth - is some entity that has His own mind and plan, please toss that out. That is part reason why I suggested earlier that you read through the Gospel of John so as to get a better picture of who the Spirit of Truth really is.

Realize that Jesus Christ did not send out automatons but instead He sent out humans who happened to also be His disciples to go carry His teachings into the world. That Peter had a had time opening up to Gentiles was because he was a human being. Growing up under Jewish tradition back in their day, Gentiles were considered unclean and so they, Jewish folks, were not even supposed to eat or be seen among them. So, when the call came, the Spirit of God took the opportunity to remind Peter of what Jesus Christ had already taught Him to do, and Peter obeyed and went to Cornelius's house, ate and prayed with as the Spirit instructed him to.

Like I said before, those who are of the opinion that Peter hesitated, causing God to change his mind, or something of that nature, are entitled to that opinion. And that is that.
Please do go back and read through the Gospels so you better understand who Jesus Christ really is, and who the Spirit of God is as well.
All this stems from your understanding as far as who Jesus Christ is and who the Spirit of Truth is in relation to Jesus Christ, as well as your understanding of the Master/Servant relationship that exists in this case.
When you read through the gospels, and gain even the basic understanding of Jesus Christ and the relationship that exists between His person and then, then I am sure you will have a better grasp of why you not in fact asking the right questions here. It will never makes sense to try to compare God's actions to man's actions, will it?

I understand your position that the teachings of Jesus Christ are sacrosanct. He being The Word. Also arguably being God himself.

My question to you however is this- what purpose then does the Holyspirit serve?

I have shown you verses that confirm that the person of the Holyspirit is too significant for a Christian which is why Jesus himself was limited by what he could teach his disciples before the Holyspirit was given.

Myer:
I understand your position that the teachings of Jesus Christ are sacrosanct. He being The Word. Also arguably being God himself.

My question to you however is this- what purpose then does the Holyspirit serve?

I have shown you verses that confirm that the person of the Holyspirit is too significant for a Christian which is why Jesus himself was limited by what he could teach his disciples before the Holyspirit was given.

I am afraid you have confirmed nothing of the such. All I have seen you do is regurgitate doctrines without showing you indeed have a real foundation in the Truth(Jesus Christ) Himself.

Please read the Gospels for yourself and learn what is in fact written of Jesus Christ and His Spirit for your own self. Even if you only read/listen to the book of John, so you can gain a better idea of who this entity called Jesus Christ is, then you might find you will ask more meaningful questions.
What you have been doing so far is akin to jumping from one stack to another, and that is no way to learn anything, not even mathematics.

Doctrines and traditions(commandments of men) can wait!

Myer:


Before I even knew you were a pastor or teacher, I was simply interested in your input as a Christian.

I was not baiting you. I was simply like any one who has a question on his mind, interested in your answer and position.

But I understand how the fact that NLders have probably baited you into arguments and you have assumed the position that every thread is opened with the intention of arguments.

As you may have noticed even on this thread, there are some arguments already which I have deliberately avoided knowing fully well that it derails this topic.

As you may also have noticed, I hardly comment on posts here, cos I'm pretty aversed to arguments.

My point is simply to seek the truth and also de-religionize whoever is bound to religious doctrines simply because they just do not read their bibles and get enslaved b their churches.

I find myself in this interesting position having been a teacher of the scriptures myself until the inconsistencies and uncertainties threw me off.

Very well.

To be clear, I don't believe that you are telling the truth at all here.

I don't believe that it is possible to actually have a meaningful conversation over this matter with you. I have tried to open up that possibility several times by asking you to consider why you hold the position that you do. But you don't want to discuss your reason.

Your words here prove again to me that you don't believe that it is possible that the Bible is just difficult to understand. You are absolutely certain that it is inconsistent. So I cannot give you the benefit of the doubt although I would have preferred to.

Nonetheless, I will attempt to give an answer to your post including an address of your examples. I don't promise the possibility of a discussion following that because I am not persuaded that it will be useful or meaningful.

1. "Just when you think you understand anything about the Bible, you'll find another verse that proves otherwise."
To begin, the fact that something appears to be a contradiction does not mean that it is. For example, in physics, there is both buoyancy and gravity. Although those are opposing influences, their existence does not mean that physics contradicts itself. Likewise, if there are seemingly opposing ideas in the Bible, it does not necessarily mean that the Bible opposes itself.

The common sense thing here is that the fair way to deal with something whose credentials are not yet tested is to give it the benefit of the doubt. In science, we make a hypothesis and we test the hypothesis to see if it is actually true. The same is how we deal with anything else. Unless we have a reason to doubt that something is not what it is said to be, we are wise to treat it with some allowance that it is what it is said to be. That is what is called "giving the benefit of the doubt."

This is how we must treat the Bible too. It is a body of knowledge. It claims to be the very Word of God. And if that isn't enough to warn us that it would take at least a bit of work for us to understand, then it also does tell us itself unequivocally that it is difficult to understand. As such, what makes sense is that we do things its way in the foregoing to see if it will work out as it promises.

For example, if the Bible tells us that we must believe the Gospel in order to have the Holy Spirit so that we receive the ability to understand the things that the Bible teaches and that we should seek out and submit to gifted and prepared pastor-teachers in order to learn what the Bible teaches, then the right way to prove whether the Bible is to be trusted is to actually do these things. If they don't work, then we can say that the Bible is not reliable. If they do, then we can say that it is. But to say that the Bible is not reliable just because we don't understand what it says when we are not willing to do things the way that it says we should do them to understand it is grossly foolish.

2. "God is one and there's no one else beside him."
I'm not sure what verse proves otherwise here. But since you mentioned the Trinity later, the argument seems to be the common objection that one finds everywhere: Either there is one God or there are three gods; the Bible can't teach both that God is one and that there are three Persons who are God.

The funny thing about this objection is that no one is confused that there is only one thing that is called "human." That is, although you could say that there are so many billion human beings, one never thinks of "human" as being more than one thing. "Human" is the nature of a thing. If a given thing possesses certain attributes, we call it human. If it doesn't, we don't. Likewise, there is only one thing that is defined as "dog." That thing is distinct in spite of how many of its kind exists and how many forms it takes. We know, for example, that a dog is not a cat no matter how similar we may think that they are.

"God" is a name that defines a certain type of nature. There is only one thing like that. There is nothing else that is God. There is only one such thing. That there are three Persons who possess that nature is not a contradiction. It is only a disclosure. "Trinity" is just a word that describes the uniqueness of this particular "thing." All the Persons who possess this nature are in perfect harmony in all things. They think the same way, exist the same way, and act in exact agreement with each other. They are never at odds with each other. This is the whole point of pointing out the oneness of God. If there is only one person that is God, then there would be no reason to make a point of the oneness of God. It should be perfectly obvious in itself.

3. "There are 3 that bear witness in heaven, the Father, the word and the Spirit and all three are one."
1 John 5:7 is not part of the Bible.

That does nothing to the truth of the Trinity, however, since the whole Bible bears witness to it anyway.

4. "Faith is the most important thing."
I don't know what you are talking about. 1 Corinthians 13:13 says that love is greater even than faith. I know no part of the Bible that counters this in any way.

5. "Works are the most important."
I don't know what you mean here either. James teaches that works prove the existence of faith. It is impossible to say that we believe if we don't do the things that come with faith. Abraham sacrificed Isaac because he believed God when He told him that Isaac would be the one through whom he would be given the descendants that he was promised. Without faith, we can't do the works that God calls us to do. I'm not sure then that I see how works are the most important. Godly works are just the result of godly faith.

6. "Love is the most important."
Obviously.

7. "Tithing is for Jews. For a Christian, giving is as he cheerfully wills."
Tithing applies to the Jews under the Law of Moses, yes. For Christians, we are responsible to support one another and our pastor-teachers according to our ability and also to be kind to unbelievers. We ought to discharge these responsibilities joyfully too, not grudgingly. Besides this, I don't know what it is your complaint here is about.

8. "Jesus is God."
He is. What is the contradictory thing about that?

9. "Every Christian should speak in tongues."
I don't know any part of the Bible that teaches this.

10. "Once saved is forever saved."
I don't know any part of the Bible that teaches this.

11. "Grace abolishes the Law."
I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. Grace is the satisfaction of the demands of the Law on behalf of the condemned.

12. "Grace is without works/Grace is with works."
I don't know what you mean to say here. But if someone is doing you a favor, then you certainly aren't doing anything to merit it. Still, if someone has done you a favor, it tends to make you able to take advantage of something in some way.

We have not earned our forgiveness from God. We have been given it freely. Now that we are forgiven however, we are finally free to actually start walking with God as His children, friends, and servants.

13. "There is sin in heaven."
I don't know what you're talking about.

Ihedinobi3:


Very well.

To be clear, I don't believe that you are telling the truth at all here.

I don't believe that it is possible to actually have a meaningful conversation over this matter with you. I have tried to open up that possibility several times by asking you to consider why you hold the position that you do. But you don't want to discuss your reason.

Your words here prove again to me that you don't believe that it is possible that the Bible is just difficult to understand. You are absolutely certain that it is inconsistent. So I cannot give you the benefit of the doubt although I would have preferred to.

Nonetheless, I will attempt to give an answer to your post including an address of your examples. I don't promise the possibility of a discussion following that because I am not persuaded that it will be useful or meaningful.

1. "Just when you think you understand anything about the Bible, you'll find another verse that proves otherwise."
To begin, the fact that something appears to be a contradiction does not mean that it is. For example, in physics, there is both buoyancy and gravity. Although those are opposing influences, their existence does not mean that physics contradicts itself. Likewise, if there are seemingly opposing ideas in the Bible, it does not necessarily mean that the Bible opposes itself.

The common sense thing here is that the fair way to deal with something whose credentials are not yet tested is to give it the benefit of the doubt. In science, we make a hypothesis and we test the hypothesis to see if it is actually true. The same is how we deal with anything else. Unless we have a reason to doubt that something is not what it is said to be, we are wise to treat it with some allowance that it is what it is said to be. That is what is called "giving the benefit of the doubt."

This is how we must treat the Bible too. It is a body of knowledge. It claims to be the very Word of God. And if that isn't enough to warn us that it would take at least a bit of work for us to understand, then it also does tell us itself unequivocally that it is difficult to understand. As such, what makes sense is that we do things its way in the foregoing to see if it will work out as it promises.

For example, if the Bible tells us that we must believe the Gospel in order to have the Holy Spirit so that we receive the ability to understand the things that the Bible teaches and that we should seek out and submit to gifted and prepared pastor-teachers in order to learn what the Bible teaches, then the right way to prove whether the Bible is to be trusted is to actually do these things. If they don't work, then we can say that the Bible is not reliable. If they do, then we can say that it is. But to say that the Bible is not reliable just because we don't understand what it says when we are not willing to do things the way that it says we should do them to understand it is grossly foolish.

2. "God is one and there's no one else beside him."
I'm not sure what verse proves otherwise here. But since you mentioned the Trinity later, the argument seems to be the common objection that one finds everywhere: Either there is one God or there are three gods; the Bible can't teach both that God is one and that there are three Persons who are God.

The funny thing about this objection is that no one is confused that there is only one thing that is called "human." That is, although you could say that there are so many billion human beings, one never thinks of "human" as being more than one thing. "Human" is the nature of a thing. If a given thing possesses certain attributes, we call it human. If it doesn't, we don't. Likewise, there is only one thing that is defined as "dog." That thing is distinct in spite of how many of its kind exists and how many forms it takes. We know, for example, that a dog is not a cat no matter how similar we may think that they are.

"God" is a name that defines a certain type of nature. There is only one thing like that. There is nothing else that is God. There is only one such thing. That there are three Persons who possess that nature is not a contradiction. It is only a disclosure. "Trinity" is just a word that describes the uniqueness of this particular "thing." All the Persons who possess this nature are in perfect harmony in all things. They think the same way, exist the same way, and act in exact agreement with each other. They are never at odds with each other. This is the whole point of pointing out the oneness of God. If there is only one person that is God, then there would be no reason to make a point of the oneness of God. It should be perfectly obvious in itself.

3. "There are 3 that bear witness in heaven, the Father, the word and the Spirit and all three are one."
1 John 5:7 is not part of the Bible.

That does nothing to the truth of the Trinity, however, since the whole Bible bears witness to it anyway.

4. "Faith is the most important thing."
I don't know what you are talking about. 1 Corinthians 13:13 says that love is greater even than faith. I know no part of the Bible that counters this in any way.

5. "Works are the most important."
I don't know what you mean here either. James teaches that works prove the existence of faith. It is impossible to say that we believe if we don't do the things that come with faith. Abraham sacrificed Isaac because he believed God when He told him that Isaac would be the one through whom he would be given the descendants that he was promised. Without faith, we can't do the works that God calls us to do. I'm not sure then that I see how works are the most important. Godly works are just the result of godly faith.

6. "Love is the most important."
Obviously.

7. "Tithing is for Jews. For a Christian, giving is as he cheerfully wills."
Tithing applies to the Jews under the Law of Moses, yes. For Christians, we are responsible to support one another and our pastor-teachers according to our ability and also to be kind to unbelievers. We ought to discharge these responsibilities joyfully too, not grudgingly. Besides this, I don't know what it is your complaint here is about.

8. "Jesus is God."
He is. What is the contradictory thing about that?

9. "Every Christian should speak in tongues."
I don't know any part of the Bible that teaches this.

10. "Once saved is forever saved."
I don't know any part of the Bible that teaches this.

11. "Grace abolishes the Law."
I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. Grace is the satisfaction of the demands of the Law on behalf of the condemned.

12. "Grace is without works/Grace is with works."
I don't know what you mean to say here. But if someone is doing you a favor, then you certainly aren't doing anything to merit it. Still, if someone has done you a favor, it tends to make you able to take advantage of something in some way.

We have not earned our forgiveness from God. We have been given it freely. Now that we are forgiven however, we are finally free to actually start walking with God as His children, friends, and servants.

13. "There is sin in heaven."
I don't know what you're talking about.

Thanks for sharing.
I'll respect your choice not to discuss further.

Myer:


Why not help us all out by answering them scripturally for the benefit of us all? Unless of course you confirm the Bible's inconsistencies on these.

Haphazard Bible learning won't produce anything but puffed display of knowledge, more confusion which end up not edifying you or me.

You must start learning Bible in systematic order and structure now. It is clear from most of your discussions that the questions and challenges you have on and from the scriptures are result of not reading scriptures the way it should be read, likewise not paying attention to the systematic way the writer presented their writings and the progressive thoughts of the whole scriptures when read together. These show in mostly here in all your "inconsistent scriptures".

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A good way you can start is:
Start reading and asking questions on Bible concepts that are well mentioned in the scriptures.

This will help you understand the bigger picture and how they are broken down to other concepts and teachings. Also allow a relearning by going to reread things again especially when someone point you to it. You don't have to accept it of course, but the act of reading it again is a good study culture and also help you see things again either in new light or in consistent with what you believe already.

Lastly, Dont drop verses like song chorus, original Bible were not presented in verses, they were written together as each book.
They are to be read together (as individual book and by extension the whole books) without stopping in between so as to have the full understand of the discuss.

hoopernikao:


Haphazard Bible learning won't produce anything but puffed display of knowledge, more confusion which end up not edifying you or me.

You must start learning Bible in systematic order and structure now. It is clear from most of your discussions that the questions and challenges you have on and from the scriptures are result of not reading scriptures the way it should be read, likewise not paying attention to the systematic way the writer presented their writings and the progressive thoughts of the whole scriptures when read together. These show in mostly here in all your "inconsistent scriptures".

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A good way you can start is:
Start reading and asking questions on Bible concepts that are well mentioned in the scriptures.

This will help you understand the bigger picture and how they are broken down to other concepts and teachings. Also allow a relearning by going to reread things again especially when someone point you to it. You don't have to accept it of course, but the act of reading it again is a good study culture and also help you see things again either in new light or in consistent with what you believe already.

Lastly, Dont drop verses like song chorus, original Bible were not presented in verses, they were written together as each book.
They are to be read together (as individual book and by extension the whole books) without stopping in between so as to have the full understand of the discuss.

I have read the Bible twice.

I've read the synoptic gospels even more.

I have taught the Bible in foundational classes.

I have unlearned and relearned doctrines.

I have considered everything else as rubbish except the word of God and the pursuit of the nature and likeness of Christ. Of course not to the extent of Paul.

But what I found at the end of it is just another religion.

The efficacy of the word is in the power of the Spirit. If that power is missing, it is but another religion.

Does religion work? I'd say yes.
Whatever one has faith in would certainly work for them.
Which is why there still exists myriads of religions even till date.

But I choose not to be religious cos that was what Jesus came to set the Israelites and by extension the world free from.

Why did I share this?
You're presumptious like most judgmental Christians are. I can't blame you though, you've been taught your religion is the only way and truth and every other religion is hellbound.
Unfortunately, you've also been taught the many powers of the Spirit which you are unable to manifest and substantiate. How frustrating.

Myer:


I have read the Bible twice.

I've read the synoptic gospels even more.

I have taught the Bible in foundational classes.

I have unlearned and relearned doctrines.

I have considered everything else as rubbish except the word of God and the pursuit of the nature and likeness of Christ. Of course not to the extent of Paul.

But what I found at the end of it is just another religion.

The efficacy of the word is in the power of the Spirit. If that power is missing, it is but another religion.

Does religion work? I'd say yes.
Whatever one has faith in would certainly work for them.
Which is why there still exists myriads of religions even till date.

But I choose not to be religious cos that was what Jesus came to set the Israelites and by extension the world free from.

Why did I share this?
You're presumptious like most judgmental Christians are. I can't blame you though, you've been taught your religion is the only way and truth and every other religion is hellbound.
Unfortunately, you've also been taught the many powers of the Spirit which you are unable to manifest and substantiate. How frustrating.

Strawmann again?
Can you point to the place I judged you here else remove yourself from playing sentiment card.

If what you call judgment is due to the fact that I pointed to you that you haven't read the scriptures properly, then please take that "judgment" to heart. It will save both you and those who hear or take your instructions.

I didn't do anything more than what Jesus did. Jesus must be judgemental when he told the pharisee that "they haven't read the scriptures". Likewise don't forget when he called his disciples "fools and slow of heart".
Paul must be too, when he corrected his disciples in Galatia.

If this is what you call judgment, Bro, please take the judgement and correct your ways.

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Your reading the scriptures many times is not the same as reading properly. I have told you this severally. I am not here to doubt whether you have read the scriptures before, in fact I know you are going by your exposure to verses and bible texts. But i am here to tell you you haven't read it properly and that is based on your conclusion about the scriptures.


You are the one who judged yourself due to that. Jesus told Nicodemus "are you a teacher of the law, (bible) and know not these things?". Hence it's not strange to be teaching the Bible and still lack its knowledge. So whether you have taught before or handle Bible school is not the focus here but your knowledge of what you teach and explain is what is my concerns. They aren't what the scriptures taught.


Bro, the truth is you aren't paying attention to the essence, focus, explanation, themes, progressiveness, events, actions, inactions and structural thoughts of the scriptures. Get this well and stop seeing it as an abuse.

Hence, you must channel this frustration to strengthen yourself and pick the Bible again for proper reading this time. Channel this frustration to get persuaded by the word of God. In this all doubt and inconsistency will be resolved.

Don't you think and desire so?

Some people just feel that since it is recorded in the Bible that certain individuals performed signs using God's name, they also should be able to do the same.
So if you know how to go about it come and show them the way not just quoting scriptures and talking about holiness when you can't cure sick people as reportedly confirmed in the Bible.
All your explanations amounts to nothing if you can't tell them how to go about miracle performance.
That's all!

hoopernikao:

Strawmann again?
Can you point to the place I judged you here else remove yourself from playing sentiment card.
If what you call judgment is due to the fact that I pointed to you that you haven't read the scriptures properly, then please take that "judgment" to heart. It will save both you and those who hear or take your instructions.
I didn't do anything more than what Jesus did. Jesus must be judgemental when he told the pharisee that "they haven't read the scriptures". Likewise don't forget when he called his disciples "fools and slow of heart".
Paul must be too, when he corrected his disciples in Galatia.
If this is what you call judgment, Bro, please take the judgement and correct your ways.
Your reading the scriptures many times is not the same as reading properly. I have told you this severally. I am not here to doubt whether you have read the scriptures before, in fact I know you are going by your exposure to verses and bible texts. But i am here to tell you you haven't read it properly and that is based on your conclusion about the scriptures.
You are the one who judged yourself due to that. Jesus told Nicodemus "are you a teacher of the law, (bible) and know not these things?". Hence it's not strange to be teaching the Bible and still lack its knowledge. So whether you have taught before or handle Bible school is not the focus here but your knowledge of what you teach and explain is what is my concerns. They aren't what the scriptures taught.
Bro, the truth is you aren't paying attention to the essence, focus, explanation, themes, progressiveness, events, actions, inactions and structural thoughts of the scriptures. Get this well and stop seeing it as an abuse.
Hence, you must channel this frustration to strengthen yourself and pick the Bible again for proper reading this time. Channel this frustration to get persuaded by the word of God. In this all doubt and inconsistency will be resolved.
Don't you think and desire so?

Myer:


Thanks for sharing.
I'll respect your choice not to discuss further.

Ihedinobi3 is far too mature to say what I am about to say here, but, really? And after all the huffing and puffing. Lol!

Respectfully.

budaatum:


Ihedinobi3 is far too mature to say what I am about to say here, but, really? And after all the huffing and puffing. Lol!

Respectfully.

Ihedinobi3 is just another Bible quoter.
budaatum!!!!!!!
Whatever both of you say about the Bible is not different from what every other Bible quoter says about it!!!
The difference between you and that guy is that you consider God as what you create in your head while he considers God as the creator of the universe.

hoopernikao:


Strawmann again?
Can you point to the place I judged you here else remove yourself from playing sentiment card.

If what you call judgment is due to the fact that I pointed to you that you haven't read the scriptures properly, then please take that "judgment" to heart. It will save both you and those who hear or take your instructions.

I didn't do anything more than what Jesus did. Jesus must be judgemental when he told the pharisee that "they haven't read the scriptures". Likewise don't forget when he called his disciples "fools and slow of heart".
Paul must be too, when he corrected his disciples in Galatia.

If this is what you call judgment, Bro, please take the judgement and correct your ways.

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Your reading the scriptures many times is not the same as reading properly. I have told you this severally. I am not here to doubt whether you have read the scriptures before, in fact I know you are going by your exposure to verses and bible texts. But i am here to tell you you haven't read it properly and that is based on your conclusion about the scriptures.


You are the one who judged yourself due to that. Jesus told Nicodemus "are you a teacher of the law, (bible) and know not these things?". Hence it's not strange to be teaching the Bible and still lack its knowledge. So whether you have taught before or handle Bible school is not the focus here but your knowledge of what you teach and explain is what is my concerns. They aren't what the scriptures taught.


Bro, the truth is you aren't paying attention to the essence, focus, explanation, themes, progressiveness, events, actions, inactions and structural thoughts of the scriptures. Get this well and stop seeing it as an abuse.

Hence, you must channel this frustration to strengthen yourself and pick the Bible again for proper reading this time. Channel this frustration to get persuaded by the word of God. In this all doubt and inconsistency will be resolved.

Don't you think and desire so?

Lol you make it too easy but then again I've resolved to make our discussions as civil as possible.

Are you Jesus who knows the hearts of men?

And Paul corrected the Galatians for going against his teachings when after their conversion through the hearing of faith they still subjected themselves to circumcision and other demands of the Law.

How do you compare your case here?.
You're the type that will defend your anger quoting Jesus got angry and chased people out of the temple for turning his father's house to den of thieves.

You simply assumed and concluded that I hadn't read the Bible in whole and was only picking verses haphazardly.

PS: The very fact that you're a Christian and religious makes you judgmental.
Not your fault. The Bible does teach that whoever doesn't believe in Jesus is condemned already.
Yet it teaches you not to judge. The irony.
That's what religion does anyway.

budaatum:


Ihedinobi3 is far too mature to say what I am about to say here, but, really? And after all the huffing and puffing. Lol!

Respectfully.

Lol I do respect everyone's choices though.
After all he's made his points and stand on the topic known. Whether or not I agree with them is my choice.

Myer:


Lol you make it too easy but then again I've resolved to make our discussions as civil as possible.

Are you Jesus who knows the hearts of men?

And Paul corrected the Galatians for going against his teachings when after their conversion through the hearing of faith they still subjected themselves to circumcision and other demands of the Law.

How do you compare your case here?.
You're the type that will defend your anger quoting Jesus got angry and chased people out of the temple for turning his father's house to den of thieves.

You simply assumed and concluded that I hadn't read the Bible in whole and was only picking verses haphazardly.

PS: The very fact that you're a Christian and religious makes you judgmental.
Not your fault. The Bible does teach that whoever doesn't believe in Jesus is condemned already.
Yet it teaches you not to judge. The irony.
That's what religion does anyway.

Like I said, if what you call judging you is about you not reading the scripture properly, so be it. I have no qualms with such judgment.

A Bible text read out of context or misinterpreted wield more destructive power to the hearer than a fall from Everest. It kills, destroys, divides, and its spread is like widefire that can consume a city in a twinkle.

So, if I judge you on giving false Interpretation, I am only fulfilling the scriptures which is very loud on identifying, rejecting and exposing false and errorneous teaching.

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The truth is for you, I believe they aren't deliberate but an issue of experience and improper reading, if not I would have handle this differently for you. But I know you aren't doing this to deceive men but just an issue of not having a proper context. Hence I admonish you to calm down and read again. I say again, you haven't read the scriptures properly and also in bringing the whole book into a systematic unveiling of God's wisdom. You must get this.

So, take the "judgment" and correct yourself Bro. You know I love you and want to see you seeing the scriptures as they are. It's the greatest thing to see in you.

HellVictorinho:

Ihedinobi3 is just another Bible quoter.
budaatum!!!!!!!
Whatever both of you say about the Bible is not different from what every other Bible quoter says about it!!!
The difference between you and that guy is that you consider God as what you create in your head while he considers God as the creator of the universe.

And you are a buda quoter with a God obsession, but I bet you think you are different to us.

Are you a child?

hoopernikao:



Like I said, if what you call judging you is about you not reading the scripture properly, so be it. I have no qualms with such judgment.

A Bible text read out of context or misinterpreted wield more destructive power to the hearer than a fall from Everest. It kills, destroys, divides, and its spread is like widefire that can consume a city in a twinkle.

So, if I judge you on giving false Interpretation, I am only fulfilling the scriptures which is very loud on identifying, rejecting and exposing false and errorneous teaching.

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The truth is for you, I believe they aren't deliberate but an issue of experience and improper reading, if not I would have handle this differently for you. But I know you aren't doing this to deceive men but just an issue of not having a proper context. Hence I admonish you to calm down and read again. I say again, you haven't read the scriptures properly and also in bringing the whole book into a systematic unveiling of God's wisdom. You must get this.

So, take the "judgment" and correct yourself Bro. You know I love you and want to see you seeing the scriptures as they are. It's the greatest thing to see in you.

But the interpretation I'm getting wrong here is still the work of the Holy spirit.
How can I believe I'm wrong when you've not been a witness to the Power of the Holyspirit?

You claim Paul was not referring to signs and miracles, what of Jesus Christ?

There are two keys to salvation for someone who doesn't know anything about God!
Righteousness and Meekness! Zephaniah 2:2-3

Meekness: While going from place to place you will come in contact with someone somewhere who knows better than you, humility will help you to admit this and learn from those who know more than you, then Meekness will help you to remain OBEDIENT to those who taught you! Hebrews 13:7

Righteousness: You won't give God conditions nor think of setting standards for God {Romans 10:2-3} you will search for those practicing the righteousness of God {Psalms 1:1-3} and associate with them for more enlightenment {Proverbs 2:1-5 compare to Hebrews 10:24-25}

Whoever missed this two vital keys will only continue to argue with everyone there will be nobody to associate with as brethren, of course the next thing is to conclude there's no group of worshipers practicing pure worship, so what is the proof of God's existence if there's no organized people worshiping Him?

hoopernikao:

Like I said, if what you call judging you is about you not reading the scripture properly, so be it. I have no qualms with such judgment.

MaxInDHouse:
There are two keys to salvation for someone who doesn't know anything about God!
Righteousness and Meekness! Zephaniah 2:2-3

Meekness: While going from place to place you will come in contact with someone somewhere who knows better than you, humility will help you to admit this and learn from those who know more than you, then Meekness will help you to remain OBEDIENT to those who taught you! Hebrews 13:7

Righteousness: You won't give God conditions nor think of setting standards for God {Romans 10:2-3} you will search for those practicing the righteousness of God {Psalms 1:1-3} and associate with them for more enlightenment {Proverbs 2:1-5 compare to Hebrews 10:24-25}

Whoever missed this two vital keys will only continue to argue with everyone there will be nobody to associate with as brethren, of course the next thing is to conclude there's no group of worshipers practicing pure worship, so what is the proof of God's existence if there's no organized people worshiping Him?

Actually the 2 keys to salvation for an unbeliever according to the Bible are Faith and Humility (Meekness).

Actually it is just Faith.
But also Humility because God resists the proud.

Righteoness is imputed on one who has faith (believes God) such as Abraham. Galatians 3:6, 15:6

Your claim that any group of worshippers who practise righteousness is a proof of God's existence is faulty simply on the basis that even non Christians practise Righteousness. In fact Islam exalts righteousness more than the Christianity of our generation does.

Confucianism, Buddhism and even some of our local traditional religions exalt righteousness more than what we see in Christianity today.

As much as I would like to believe that all religions that practise righteousness are godly, we both know that Christianity doesn't preach that.

As long as their righteousness is without faith in Jesus Christ, they are hellbound.
Here in lies the fault in your preaching of JW as a body that practises righteousness.

The only confirmation and attestation to God's existence both scripturally and according to human reasoning is the Power of the Holyspirit that confirms every word of the scriptures.

Unfortunately your denomination/organisation believes the purpose of the Holyspirit was simply to produce the Bible and now the Holy spirit does not perform anything else.

You be the judge, what then separates you from every other religion when you do not belueve nor manifest the powers of the Holyspirit as expressed in the Bible.

HellVictorinho:

May the Gods people create in their heads leave their heads and find a house in Lagos to live so that LordReed and HellVictorinho will ask them if they like their creators.
In Jesus Name,
Amen.
Wetin remain??

I'm interested in your philosophy of life.

Do you believe there's God? If not, what's your belief?