What happened to the links shared about Consultants in other field? did you choose to ignore that (the truth) just to attack somebody?

benjichuks: @jide olubiyi, I am surprised at the vitriol that accompanied your reply, cos why call whoever wrote the article 'illiterate' or calling the article 'disgustingly skewed'?
But before I digress let me say one or two things addressing what you said... I'm using the tertiary Healthcare system as a case study
1- About nurses being on night duty: do you know that nurses work shift duties of either morning, afternoon or night shift per day, with the hours being 8am-2pm, 2pm-7pm and 7pm-8am respectively and an equal number of days off as the consecutive night duties. So if a nurse did night duty for four days, then she is off for the next four days.
But Doctors don't do shift 1st and foremost, and whenever they are on call, ie staying throughout the day and night at the hospital for a week and sometimes months, they still come to work the very next day.

2- it seems you only see or hear whenever NMA go on strike because when JOHESU went on theirs, I don't think you made this kind of comment... They Cited so many things about what was being done for doctors and not for them. In fact almost all the reasons for their strike was doctor related... That doctors are allowed to be head of hospitals, why not them too, doctors skip a level in salary grade, why not them too, doctors are called consultants, why not them too. So many trivial things...

3- On cramming : If you would be truthful to yourself, even in your secondary school the brightest minds in science class wanted to be doctors... Vis a vis Lawyers for Art class! Medicine is a field which requires only the best minds for adequate patient care, that's why the requirements are so stringent and the training comprehensive. I wonder if putting together different symptoms and sign, accurately interpreting them for the correct diagnosis of myriad illnesses is now considered as cramming.

4- I wonder who you personally go to see whenever you have an illness, or a relative of yours comes down with a complication of an illness. I hope not a doctor!

5- I just wish this will enter front page so the public can see this instead all the misinformation being dished out to them by all the numerous paramedicals!

http://www.medicalworldnigeria.com/2014/07/breaking-news-national-health-bill-as-amended-by-johesu-ahpa-passed-by-federal-house-of-reps/#.U7MHGfldVCg
Dear Colleagues,
I am glad to inform you that the “Peoples’ Version” of the National Health Bill (as amended by JOHESU/AHPA) has just been passed by the Federal House of Reps.

By this development therefore, the Senate must meet with the Federal House of Reps for Harmonisation of the Bill before it could be enacted as a law in Nigeria.

Please join me in Congratulating our able President and our allies in JOHESU/AHPA for this great achievement.
Congratulations.

Nat. Secretary.
Pharmaceutical Society of Nigeria

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I just wish somebody who is not a member of the health sector can write about the challenges facing the health sector after thorough investigation. Any other article coming from any member of the health sector will definitely be biased. So, I have stopped reading articles written by a health worker. It is always the same story, with the writer skewing in favor of the profession to which he/she belongs.


http://www.nhscareers.nhs.uk/explore-by-career/nursing/careers-in-nursing/nurse-consultants/
http://www.nursing-career-hub.com/Nurse-Consultant.html
http://www.idph.state.ia.us/hcci/consultants.asp
http://work.chron.com/clinical-nurse-consultant-13912.html
A nurse consultant must not be a legal nurse consultant. The first link I have shared is from UK which we copy. Check who a nurse consultant is and what he/she does in NHS and other countries.

Someone (probably a Nigerian doctor) asked this question in Linkedin, and he got answers from people from different countries. here is the link. https://www.linkedin.com/groups/Hello-guys-What-are-job-2547386.S.5795719019684200448

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-a-laboratory-consultant.htm

Perfect!!!

evanscheck:

If a doctor spend all these years in school and come out yet does nt know wat he/ she shud be doing then he/she shud go and collect all the school fees he / she paid from primary to university and even sue them for time wasting cos he or she have not gained anything from them.they all decieved d person and dey are fraudsters.

I think your score is Okay. About 1250 in the old GRE. I advise you apply with the score. Funding is not only dependent on GRE score. There are other things involved.

bbdd: PLEASE I NEED ADVICE

I'm a newbie here but I've been following for a while
Took the Gre today. Was very disappointed with my score
Breakdown V 158 Q 152 total 310 considering the fact that I put in so much effort in my quants I'm bitterly disappointed.

Anyway, the issue now is that I intend to apply to biomedical/pharmaceutical sciences PhD do you think I should retake the test or should I just apply like that?
What are the chances I get funding if i do?

Please advice me on if I should take the Gre again or go ahead and apply.

Thank you and God bless

johnjames2009: A Lion is fierce and a Tiger is fierce. But A lion remains the king of Animals. NMA may sometimes appear saucy though, but truth is that , in any health setting world over,a doctor heads it. All the part of health team are important but the heads are not to be handled with levity. Privatisation of all hospitals will impact negatively on the masses where a good number live below one dollar per day. NMA just embarked on 5-day warning strike and will be back on monday, 23rd Dec.,2013. The aim is to restore the right order. I have a father and a mother; I would not have been without them;but the father is the head ,as always ,in whatever culture.

Please, the issue is not about who is the head as that one is old news. we are not talking about who is more important now, so Don't turn everything into one. The main koko of the strike is that NMA is jealous of the skipping of steps granted Other health workers by NIC. I think you should focus on that for now.

NMA JEALOUSY STRIKE

Whenever I hear men who deceive the masses like the Lagos NMA Chairman, Mr Peter, I see a man who went to read medicine not as a choice but on the old self ego it once inflicted on them. These are men who do not know a dime about how medicine came about and its pathetic. I hate to incite against a profession but NMA on this deserves to be publicly dragged on the road and flogged to coma. What rubbish that one profession wants to dictate for another how it wants to practice or be addressed. What ego is it that one little profession wants to decide how another profession more valued than his earns salary. I guess its time we truly privatise this hospital so we will know the real medical people who have Nigerian interest at heart. Then the auxillary nurses will be banned and if you need their services, you will pay through your nose to make them work for you. Then most medical courses will have the same course that Mbbs do just as we have in Finland, India and many foreign countries. Then every medical person will go to india for two days to learn how to do scan and we will now seperate those who radiography as a course and who did as a seminar. I will NEVER mentio names but I know many who claim to be radiologist with two days certificate from India and Bulgaria, just as I know those who say they are Physio Cardiopulmonary specialist when they did just three days workshop in Bulgaria. I will not write on this strike at least not now, but I'm getting reports from almost all the Federal Hospitals which for now is not a big deal. Thankfully enough my wife's colleagues are by her to get her back on her feet.
Here is an excerpt from Premium Times on the strike

“The main reason for this strike is politics of selfishness and rivalry with non-medical doctors over the latter winning a court case that allows her members to skip some steps in the service.
“We have appealed and the case is still in the Court of Appeal and have told the doctors to be patient to await the outcome of the case but they would not listen,” Mr. Nwomeh stated.
The rivalry the minister’s aide referenced was also mentioned by the spokesperson of the Lagos NMA, Peter Ogunbiyi, when he listed the seven causes of the strike.
“Government has allowed certain policies in the running of health care system which if not checked will lead to total collapse and paralysis of the system.
Some of these include,” Mr. Ogunbiyi said. “Selective skipping of paramedics from level 10 to 12 to the detriment of doctors as such skipping should have been made to be across board.”

by Fejiro Oliver

tunesoft: Well..its not new...some general hospitals in lagos are not this bad...buh some are worse...federal hospitals have there own share...by and large, am glad the writer said treatment was good..and the mom was getting better...because when doctors go on strike to ask for better facilities..(the last strike they were on..) pple vomit nonsense saying doctors are self centered...tell me how a hospital like this will even have other basic infrastructure to handle emergencies...? it's time for people to voice out their pains...mite I also chip in that nurses are by work allocation supposed to be incharge of the wards...so they should be the ones making complaints (which am sure they mite have..) but NO u won't see them in the fore fronts of aluta or strike...cos they are always too timid nd prefer the deterioration to continue...

The last time ARD went on strike, I didn't read anything about them striking for better facilities, all I read was Just salary! salary!!Salary!!!, SACK CMD for not allowing us write primaries more than 6times, send us ABROAD FOR TRAINING!!!ABROAD ! ABROAD!! ABROAD!!! so after the abroad residency, they will come back and work in this kind of facility?. Don't Drs go to the wards? why do you have to shift the blame to the nurses? Typical naija mentality. Instead of suggesting the way forward, you are busy shifting blame. so nurse go turn electrician abi na? Since we have administrator(CMD) who happens to be a Dr, he should do something about that. since Drs are the best administrators. I'm sure the hospital is generating enough revenue to provide basic things for staff and patients.

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dr_joshua2000:

Thank God you know. Doctors started the other speciaties to ease their job. Now those specialty he started wants to overthrow him. Does that sound nice madam?

Now I know where the problem is coming from. So our naija Docs are scared of being overthrown? eyaaa, I now get the gist.

dr_joshua2000: How does a non science student in US study medicine? Even as a doc I hv to pass all the steps of USMLE and then do residency before studying medicine [/b]there and [b]still show proof of studying medicine in my country to them. Nursing training will take me 6months of learning the procedures and taking the test. its actually tougher doing nursing in Nigeria though and their curriculum is much more solid now. No intention to beef anyone was just bothered about the anti-doc thread hiding under the guise of "challenges of the Nigerian nurse"! Thanks Lagusta but you'll see them in action soon, except you won't practice.

As a Nigerian Dr my dear, after passing your USMLE steps and getting spot for residency, you don't have to study medicine again. You become a US dr once you pass their exams and start residency. same with every other professional course that has licensing body. For a Nigerian nurse to practice in US, you also pass your NCLEX and show proof of studying nursing in your home country, that is why they have CGFNS which is a body that verifies licenses of foreign graduate of nursing schools.. So quit spewing trash. this thread is not about battle of supremacy, I don't know why you have to turn every thread to one.

dr_joshua2000:

Keep giving your self hope. MCAT exams comprise of physics, chemistry and biology. Is that not the science foundation we are talking about. Morover medicine is even a postgraduate course and residency can be up to 5 or 6 years for sugery, ENT and others, you mentioned family medicine which is the shortest, I had to proof my transcripts before I could write step 1. The minimum education to be a practicing doctor there is 10yrs (first degree, medicine, residency) and a nurse 6months. Nurse practitioners are working independently on primary health care for doctors shortage [b]but never in tertiary care[/b]. Don't spill lies here. Success on ur PHD

When I say first degree, I mean first degree and not pre-requisite. Every profession has what we call pre-requisite before you can get admitted. medicine, nursing, pharmacy etc all have their pre-requisite which you have to get before being admitted and they are mainly sciences. That is why most aspiring med students chose their first degree in science courses to help them meet with the pre-requisite and at the same time, get a degree. so it does not matter what your first degree is as long as you meet the pre-requisite. Mcat or pcat is like writing jamb to gain admission. you can pass it if you have basic knowledge of science in your high school and you study well with the materials. Like I said, travel well first before talking on issues you know nothing about. The main reason why medicine requires a first degree from students is because they need people to be mature before going into the program or making such decisions ,not some high school grad or 17year olds who may not be matured enough before making such decisions. Unlike naija where some parents force their wards to study some courses they have no interest in.

NB: nurse anesthetics who are also NPs also practice in tertiary institutions including paed NP, Psych NP, Acute care Np. And Guess what? some Docs prefer hiring them cos they are cheaper and we all know every business owner likes to make huge profit while spending less.
Family medicine practitioners are also docs but they prefer that specialty.
medicine is a post graduate degree in USA but not in naija why? yet you are comparing yourself to them.
every discipline has to show their transcript before practicing in another man's land.

Saturday, 9 November 2013




NMA PRESIDENT AND HIS PUNCH INTERVIEW; TIME TO SET STRAIGHT THE TRUTH




We look for medicine to be an orderly field of knowledge and procedure. But it is not. It is an imperfect science, an enterprise of constantly changing knowledge, uncertain information, fallible individuals, and at the same time lives on the line. There is science in what we do, yes, but also habit, intuition, and sometimes plain old guessing. The gap between what we know and what we aim for persists. And this gap complicates everything we do.

Atul Gawande




Fejiro Oliver





Before I begin, please forgive me for this long epistle. The interview was long and it had to be tackled one after another. Until we begin to acknowledge our being indispensible in our career and daily living, we are sure going to meet with a brick wall. When we come to terms with reality that we are not what we really are; we are always going to meet blockades. Yes! when we begin to realize that we only a minute segment of the society vis-à-vis our professional callings, we are going to halt the wheel of progress. Sadly enough, our Nigeria physician have knowingly refused to imbibe this spirit of live and let’s live.



My friend Chukwdumebi Onyiuke who works in NAUTH in the pathology department will definitely not be happy with this write up, knowing that it will be one of such hard hitting ones, against her and her colleagues. From people like her who chose to go into pathology, feeling they will forever head the medical laboratory, but were disappointed by the recent court ruling; I’m expecting your darts.
Nigerians truly never took cognizance how those who are graduates of MBBS took them for a ride, who thought we are so ignorant of the working environments in the health, until the August strike of medical and health workers did it dawn on us that unless we stamp our feet on the ground, these people will always see us as morons, fit to come to hospital and believe that they do all the jobs. Truth is that we know what most of the medical professionals do, but we never care as long as the patient is well attended to, but we can no longer keep quiet.
I read with dismay the interview granted a friend, an elder brother, a patriot, an activist and a learned fellow, Dr. Osahon Enabulele to Gbenro Adeoye of Punch newspaper where he derided other health and medical professions, taking them to the cleaners and attributing support staff roles to them. Speaking with Enabule convinces you that there is hope for the Nigerian nation politically, but when he speaks on health issue; there is the clear picture that with men like him in such a sensitive sector, medical practice is in doomed.
The Punch Newspaper is not fooled like most of us; hence they were very careful with their introduction of the interviews by using the word ‘physicians’ to describe MBBS graduates, knowing full well that there are other groups of ‘doctors’ in the medical sector. How could Osahon dare to compare the running of the health system with heaven and hell? Little wonder our hospitals headed by them are a complete dose of hell fire for patients. The lines are falling in perfect places. Nigeria do not have a ministry of physicians or hospitals of physicians, but a ministry of health and hospitals, where we have qualified medical and health workers, both clinical and non clinical staff, including administration.
What soul does Osahon refers to in the hospital or health sector that if it stops beating today will result in the death of the industry? Now I believe that he and his colleagues are truly living in the Elizabethan period and Victorian age when medical practice has not evolved to the present level. Osahon dreads the competition in the health sector and thus refers to it ‘unnecessary equality’. Thank God, he or any of his colleagues are not the country’s President; they would have begun the practice of apartheid. Sorry NMA, this is a civilized world where every professional within a particular field are entitled to equality as well as rising to the peak of their career and if the CMD is one of such, so be it.



I love what Journalist Gbenro asked him if Nurses and Pharmacist who are medically trained cannot manage hospitals better than physicians. Let us rope him in his own words, that hospitals are not purely profit oriented business neither is it about democratic selection/election. If hospitals are not profit oriented, can Osahon and his colleagues open their own hospitals and begin to treat patients free of charge? Why do they insist on payment in private hospitals before commencing treatment and even discharging them when they cannot meet up the payment of the bill? If the hospital is not a democratic environment, but an autocratic setting, why are his colleagues in FMC Owerri shouting that their CMD is treating them unjustly? May I let Nigerians know that their grudge with the CMD is her refusals to allow them write their professional exam six (6) times. How can men/women who cannot pass professional exam maximum of three times carry out treatment on our delicate bodies? Osahon is fit to be in the military since he believes that the hospital is a barrack where democracy is alien.
I write this with the pain of hurting a brother and a friend but Osahon has stretched his luck too far, making unguarded comments without anyone telling him how wrong he is. In Osahon’s training, they are good managers of human, material and financial resources; honestly he needs to go for an immediate check-up. Does he mean to insult our intelligence that other medical and health workers cannot manage any of the above mentioned? Soon, he and his bunch of deceitful colleagues will go about telling accountants that they (MBBS) studied economics in school as part of their curriculum, as such they should be allowed to head Micro-finance bank or even CBN, since Nigerians come there to seek for loans in building health facilities. Imagine Osahon calling qualified medical practitioners like nurses, pharmacists etc allied/paramedic health care worker; can someone rush him to Uselu please? Call this an insult but at this moment, he has insulted the generality of Nigerians who know the difference between the term allied and paramedic. I personally challenge them to do a proper research and ask questions on who allied/paramedic workers are. They must be living in the 50s when World Health Organization (WHO) had only medicine as a core course, without the many diversifications we currently have. Let me educate ‘General’ Osahon a little, who is afraid of competition; that these people you call allied are not allied nor paramedics. They all have assistant such as Science Laboratory Technicians, who assist Medical Laboratory Scientist (MLS).
Was Osahon expecting an MBBS graduate to head the Pharmaceutical Research and Development which is purely a specialty in medical practice? It’s akin to telling a Pharmacist to head the College of Surgeons. These physicians should be contented with their work for Christ sake and let other medical and health professionals determine how they want their profession to be. Medicine has grown past the level when Osahon and his clique began practice. We are moving to preventive medicine and these MBBS graduates better know that they better catch up fast or they will be left behind, as there are few people now who go for surgery. You don’t always have to keep up with the joneses as our Nigeria physicians are currently doing, by attempting to ‘colonize’ the laboratory and radiology departments using their little knowledge of pathology and radiology gained during residency.
Osahon insulted our revered Prof. Lambo Eyitayo who has performed better than all the health ministers by saying he learnt from late Prof. Olukoya Ransome-Kuti, who caused all the problems currently tearing the health sector by his obnoxious misinterpretation of the term ‘medical’. Does it mean that Lambo has no brain of his own to formulate policy for the health sector that he has to drink from the spring of Olukoya? Please tell us another tales by moonlight.
I agree with Osahon that Hippocrates would be very uncomfortable in his grave in what is happening in Nigeria health sector today. He will be grieved knowing that Osahon and his colleagues have formed a cabal and attempting to form a colony of health workers where physicians are the task masters. Osahon probably did not have the opportunity of learning how medicine came to be, if not he won’t come bragging that other medical practice were created by physician. Or probably when the course of medical history was being touched, he was chasing skirts in medical college, if not he would have learnt that medicine began in two ways – therapeutic and drugs. What claim then does him lay hold on that Physiotherapy and Pharmacy evolved from general body treatment. Another lecture for him; therapy, pharmacy and little surgery were together until it became too complex to be handled by one man, considering the technicalities involved, but he can prove me wrong. The real support staffs in the hospitals are the MBBS graduates who cannot operate a hospital/clinic without the help of other medical and health workers, whereas a doctor of pharmacy can operate alone. Osahon should shed this toga of ‘these medical workers want to pour sand in my garri’.
The issue of kidnapping cuts across all sector with no one spared, so let him not give us the crap that physicians are being kidnapped. Was an NTA Journalists not kidnapped? Gbenro is not blind to the happenings in the country, as he knows that NMA has made strike a hobby. The only time that Nigerians observed other medical workers strike was this year when the media decided to give them full coverage. If JOHESU is an amalgamation of strange bed fellow as Osahon stated, NMA must be a cabal of selfish fellows bent on holding the health sector to perpetual bondage.
Osahon should stop deceiving and lying to Nigerians that the Pharmacists Council of Nigeria (PSN) do not inspect all pharmacy units of hospitals in the country. Oh no, they do! The court has already ruled on it that whoever owns a hospital or clinic that has a pharmacy department, be it a physician, dentist, vetinary surgeon, physiotherapy or alternative physician must have such pharmacy inspected by PSN, ditto all medical laboratory to be inspected by the Medical Laboratory Council, which is headed by a lab scientist. Why do Osahon and his colleague find it hard to submit themselves to such medical practice if not pride? Nigerians do not just believe that most of the physicians are half baked but we know that they all and other medical workers also fall prey to this.
“That is preposterous, scurrilous and sacrilegious. Ordinarily, I would not have bothered to respond to this question because I am quite conscious of the fact that it was the president of the Pharmaceutical Society of Nigeria (PSN), Pharm. Olumide Akintayo, who arrogantly and mischievously told this lie. However, I am compelled to respond because I think he took his obsessive bitterness, hatred and inferiority complex too far, and certainly without the mandate of his members who are traditionally respected allies of doctors. I must say that Pharmacist Olumide Akintayo instantly lost my respect when he arrogantly told this and other blatant lies against the medical profession. We know he has a penchant to blindly deride and oppose the medical profession”, was a reply to a hard question thrown at Osahon and instead of answering it, he began to lampoon Akintayo. Osahon is the one who took his bitterness so far. The fear of pharmacy being a six years course threatens Osahon and his colleagues. The fear of pharmacy and laboratory test being the pillar of the physician treatment is the phobia that Osahon dreads. While I do not agree that the MBBS consultants are pay millions monthly, I can confirm that they earn over N500,000 and they do not truly merit it, since they rarely work, except in serious cases. The works of the physician are done mostly by the resident doctors who are still in training.
It is a myth that the physicians have peddled for long and we hold it to posterity to answer them straight away, lest someone picks a copy of Punch Newspaper tomorrow and show to our future generation that physicians alone are truly the rightful head of the medical team, when it is NEVER so, but a team effort. Physicians are the bane and problems of the health sector and I owe no one apology, A judge do not need the aid of anyone in the court to pass a judgment, but a physician, physiotherapist and dentist needs the lab result of a pharmacists to begin treatment, the drugs of the pharmacists to get well and the nurse to take care of the patient. Nigerians, wherefore lies this myth?
These little things matter…
Fejiro Oliver, a Journalist can be reached on secretsreporters@gmail.com and +2348026797588 (sms only please). Engage him on twitter @fejirooliver86 and Facebook; fejirooliver86.http://secretsreporters..com/2013/11/nma-president-and-his-punch-interview.html

dr_joshua2000: How does a non science student in US study medicine? Even as a doc I hv to pass all the steps of USMLE and then do residency before studying medicine there and still show proof of studying medicine in my country to them. Nursing training will take me 6months of learning the procedures and taking the test. its actually tougher doing nursing in Nigeria though and their curriculum is much more solid now. No intention to beef anyone was just bothered about the anti-doc thread hiding under the guise of "challenges of the Nigerian nurse"! Thanks Lagusta but you'll see them in action soon, except you won't practice.

Am currently in USA for my phd, my flat mate is about to start medical school. you can study medicine once you have a first degree in any field including music, basket weaving, engineering, political science etc. what matters is your mcat. so basically, the medical training here is 4 years plus residency and 3years of medical school for those going into family medicine. The only battle on ground is the nurse practioners going solo. that is the turf war going on now. so travel out first before talking. 6months nursing training is for certified nursing assistant program. nursing is a 4year bachelors degree program. If you wanna practice independently or own ur own practice, you go for nurse practitioner program (NP)or doctor of nursing practice program(DNP). Am just happy because everybody seem to mind their own here unlike nigeria where people are always trying to prove a point.

Dr young: With this topic I can humbly conclude that Dominique is against the health professionals especially nurses.
Stop using misleading and unconnected headlines to draw traffic. It is so wrong. Post it as you see it , honestly, I've never seen a post from Nland that encourages them rather you will see demeaning topics.

am really disappointed in the dominque of a person. her pure hatred for nurses is so glaring. moderator indeed.

dominique: Most of these public hospital nurses are quite mean to patients and rude to visitors. The family of the deceased couldn't have picked a nurse at random to attack, there must have been a reason. Not that I condone such barbaric act. Our nurses have a long way to go in proper bedside manners.

is that all you can say about this case? instead of focusing on the barbaric act, you chose to focus on the nursing profession. so when patient relatives beat up doctors which also happens, are they always because of their bedside manner? am really disappointed in your line of reasoning. a case of terminal liver cirrhosis that was just brought to the hospital. what bedside manner will you give the patient that will keep her alive, considering the hospital is short staffed? this is pure hatred for another profession. am sure if it was a dr that was attacked, you won't make this kind of comment.

bumfem:
Medically qualified persons= ''medical doctor'' Foul!!! I doubt if medical curriculum ever get upgraded in Nigeria. Sorry.... In 21st century nigeria doctor says medically qualified persons are medical doctor period. With these non-informed physicians, Nigeria is in trouble.
Dr..joshua .pls check this out.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qualified_Person_for_Pharmacovigilance

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_credentials

please stop replying that dr joshua2000. you should know something is up with him, with the way he reasons.

the OP just wants to ridicule the nurse by saying she administered the wrong medication while the original source did not say so. why do you have to put the misleading heading when vanguard did not put it so. mtcheeeeww.

Lagusta:

Honey is not an "old school" method of dressing, in fact, it is a status-quo in some hospitals to use honey in place of silver sulphadiazine to dress wounds....

But all the same, since it was the consultant nurse that stopped the use of honey, then all fingers will point to her if things go bad......

That is it. And don't tell me the wound won't heal if you use other useful methods aside honey. making people liable for their actions is the way to go. That is why it's good to have consultants in different fields so you can hold them accountable if something goes wrong. honey may be good in dressing other wounds like burns and other dirty/infected wounds but not necessarily surgical wound because it's a clean wound, also the consultant nurse may have a better alternative. the scenario Ashuale created is a very weak one, That shouldn't stop people from becoming consultants because they refused to dress wound with honey. Mind you, I never said honey was an "old school" method.

Ashuale: I think it's ignorance that is driving those arguing in favour of the topic. Recently a nurse was made a consultant in U.C.H ibadan; a surgeon took patient to the theatre,operated on the patient,and instructed in the postop note that honey dressing should be done for the pateint. The so called consultant nurse open the wound and said they woundnt dress with honey.your being promoted as a consultant is based on training not necnessarily on years on the job. You write exams, all manner of assessment. After all these someone will now come ingorm of consultant nurse,pharm e.t.c and be challenging ignorantly the treatment you are giving to your patient.

people always focus on the wrongs people have done forgetting the positive ones. that's too bad. so is that the only thing the consultant nurse have done? You just focused on this particular one. You think doctors are the only ones that engage in continuous professional devt and others are just stagnant? others dont write exams ? lol at your ignorance. you guys have been so blinded by your professional that you see yourselves as the only ones that engage in continuous education.Then tell us the outcome of the case. because your consultant surgeon said dressing with honey is right does not make it so. New ways of wound dressing are always evolving and that is done through research. wound dressing is a core nursing procedure and she is an expert in the field. surgeons do surgery and nurses manage wounds. don't tell me the patient later died cos of the wound. what matters is if the patient got healed or not.

lol.

Lagusta:



Oya apologize and give me a kiss joor.....

but the article is about consultants in other health field apart from doctors. I can see that you just jumped into this post because you saw the name 'dr'. the suit is for the court to nullify the appointment of other health workers as consultants, and has nothing to do with politicians. consultant doctors are saying that other health workers are not "medically qualified" to be consultants. That is what this is all about. Anyway, I now understand your confusion unlike your colleague, dr joshua2000.

Lagusta:

Oh, for God's sake, Who is talking about consultants in the health field, didn't you read my post.....

I know there are consultant nurses and pharmacist, I have no problem with that......

The problem I have is with the bloody politicians and thugs who are given honorary consultant posts, and are also receiving entitlements from that, where is the sense there

Please, nobody should mention my name here again.....

pele

deols:

The context is in medica practice.

btw, your bitterness is too pronounced. can you lower it down?

FOOLS? smh4u. So much bitterness.

Lagusta:



Sorry I disappointed you jare.....

but wait, this article is not referring to consultant biochemists etc, it is referring to foooooools that were given honorary consultants, even if they didn't smell a university gate......

Or am I mixing things up here??

Mr know it all, why won't we talk about other consultants? ain't we emulating the developed nations anymore? like I said earlier, the problem is English language. let's wait and see how things play out. no need arguing with your likes as the matter is already in court. remember, a day begins a story. we shall soon hear how the mighty has fallen.

Lagusta: You make me laugh!!!

Like I said before, things you know nothing about, don't spill maggots about it....

well, it's the real consultants that started it, giving honorary awards to people Who don't dserve $h!t....

and who's talking about consultant engineers, biochemists, etc

Please get your facts right before coming to show some more ignorance....

deols:

The ones I know of go to medical school before specialising on those medical sciences. They have the broad knowledge of medicine and can truly be consultants.

Most of my lecturers during basic medicine graduated medical school before further studies in physiology, biochemistry, pharmacology, etc

That does make their qualification as consultant physiologist etc reasonable.

But I cannot confirm that it happens that way in all cases.

so consultants in engineering, economics.pharmacy and nursing all went to medical school first? lol. like I wrote earlier, go and check the meaning of consultant first before typing. Google is your friend. I still wonder how some people try to bend the truth. You left the examples I gave and just managed to steer your argument to consultants in medicine, leaving the points I raised..

Lagusta:

Hey, things you know nothing about, don't spew trash about it......


are you trying trying to tell me that a primary school certificate holder can become a honorary consultant, just because he became a counsellor and built a primary health centre in his Ward

Does this bullcrap happen in other countries


Na Wa oooo

go to Google and type consultant biochemist, consultant economist, consultant pharmacist, consultant nurse, consultant engineers. etc. you will see what happens in sane countries. are the above more educated than other medical workers? just because healthcare is multidisciplinary does not mean others shouldn't reach the peak of their career. I used to have respect for you, but you just lost that cos of this myopic statement. let's wait and see how this plays out. hope our dear "medically qualified"consultants won't be put to shame like the ARD. I think the problem with our Nigerian physicians is English language. consultant means an expert in a particular field,who gives professional advice or services. so nobody is dragging to be a consultant in medicine with them as they are the experts in that. live and let's live is the motto.

Hia