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 Health / Re: NMA Dares Jonathan - Asks Resident Doctors To Reject Sack Letters by prettyprettywow: 10:20pm On Aug 15, 2014 |
After residency training, don't drs go out to search for jobs? Are they permanent emploees in the THs they are being trained? Why do we have specialist Drs in private hospitals who throw parties for getting Govt jobs? were they absorbed in the hospital they did their residencies? If you think i don't know what I'm sayinf, maybe you can explainl dalhat14: 3 Likes |
| Health / Re: NMA Dares Jonathan - Asks Resident Doctors To Reject Sack Letters by prettyprettywow: 10:10pm On Aug 15, 2014 |
Adiwana: people really think being intelligent is sweeping As&Bs..well thats not that..am not in the medical line,buh my mum who's a nurse prescribes drugs via phone so don't tell me that..so wat u telling me that is if u have running stomach,dat ur family doc cant prescribe drugs for u via telephone...na wa oo!!and they want to use it to make mouth? I prescribe drugs over the phone, but that doesn't make it right, and i can't come out to make mouth like i am the alpha and omega |
| Health / Re: NMA Dares Jonathan - Asks Resident Doctors To Reject Sack Letters by prettyprettywow: 8:53pm On Aug 15, 2014 |
odeotito: Considering the fact that residency was put in place by an Act of the national assembly it can't be abolished by executive fiat. Methinks the executive order is null and void cause it s ultra vires its powers! Get a lawyer fast!Residency program was not abolished, but was just suspended to allow Govt solve the health sector problem. It will still be restored when the neede changes have been made |
| Health / Re: NMA Dares Jonathan - Asks Resident Doctors To Reject Sack Letters by prettyprettywow: 8:51pm On Aug 15, 2014 |
eaglechild:So we don't produce Drs every year to replace the dead and retired ones? I guess the new Drs are already working in America, Canada, Australia and UK? |
| Health / Re: NMA Dares Jonathan - Asks Resident Doctors To Reject Sack Letters by prettyprettywow: 8:37pm On Aug 15, 2014 |
phantom:call Drs on phone, and they diagnose your ailment and prescribe via phone without physical examination and lab investigations?. Lol. I weep for una. Drs are indeed 'small gods'. What the Drs are now fighting for is their jobs and not the 24 commandments again. This life get as E be sha. NMA called for the outsourcing of other health care professionals aside Drs, now whose services have been outsourced? What goes around comes around. When hunger go don wire una for 1-2 months, una go hear am. Govt please recall them. We need them o. we don know who be the master 6 Likes |
| Health / Re: NMA Dares Jonathan - Asks Resident Doctors To Reject Sack Letters by prettyprettywow: 8:26pm On Aug 15, 2014 |
VantagePoint:i thought your leaders said we have 47,000 Drs? how come they are now 30,000? 2 Likes |
| Health / Re: NMA Dares Jonathan - Asks Resident Doctors To Reject Sack Letters by prettyprettywow: 8:22pm On Aug 15, 2014 |
dalhat14: So the NMA goes on strike and the government sacks resident doctors, why not sack all the NMA members since residents are only a section of the NMA, and what makes the government think NMA would call off its strike after sacking some of her members. All doctors in Nigeria are members of the NMA so who would restore the services in the hospitals as the government is demanding.resident doctors are not permanent employees, so they can't dictate to their sponsors how they are treated. MO and consultants are permanent staff. got it? |
| Health / Re: NMA Dares Jonathan - Asks Resident Doctors To Reject Sack Letters by prettyprettywow: 8:19pm On Aug 15, 2014 |
Dreambeat: Are these the only items you saw on the demand list? There are 24 of the demands. Get a copy, read through, then judge.but they said that ALL the 24 DEMANDS must be met, which include the ones involving other health workers. 2 Likes |
| Health / Re: NMA Dares Jonathan - Asks Resident Doctors To Reject Sack Letters by prettyprettywow: 6:53pm On Aug 15, 2014 |
so allowing others to become directors, appointment of surgoen general, consultants, giving mlsc license for importation of IVD, are the things putting the hospitals in a mess? Dreambeat: Fashola did not win anything. Don't let me go into the details of what happened. We have to fight this battle now once and for all for the good of the populace and the progress of the health sector in this country. A lot of people are just so uninformed about what is going on in our government hospitals, those that are, choose to take side against doctors out of sentiment. Things can not just continue the way they are right now. The hospitals are in a big mess. I know how many times I have had to walk and sometimes run to the theatre to BEG for disposable gloves to work with. Lots of things are just not right in our training centres especially. 9 Likes |
| Health / Re: NMA Dares Jonathan - Asks Resident Doctors To Reject Sack Letters by prettyprettywow: 6:50pm On Aug 15, 2014 |
phibah: Which Fashola....can see you are not current..Fashola recalled them after people pleaded with him. The drs themselves begged people to go and beg fashola before they were recalled. So you guys think you won fashola? lol 3 Likes |
| Health / BREAKING: Another Nurse Dies Of Ebola In Lagos by prettyprettywow: 2:38pm On Aug 14, 2014 |
http://saharareporters.com/2014/08/14/ebola-another-nurse-who-had-contact-liberian-american-patrick-sawyer-dies-lagos Obi Justina Ejelonu, a nurse who attended to Patrick Sawyer, a Liberian-American Ebola carrier who flew to Nigeria on his way to attend a conference in Calabar, has died. Her relatives rang SaharaReporters moments ago with news that she passed away this morning. Ms. Ejelonu had been kept in a quarantine facility in Lagos. Until her death, the outdpoken nurse was at the center of a campaign to get the Zmapp experimental drugs to Ebola victims in Nigeria. John Okiyi-Kalu started the Internet campaign a few days ago. Ms. Ejelonu was one of the primary contacts with Patrick Sawyer at a Lagos Hospital where he received treatment after he was rushed from the Murtala Muhammed Airport in Lagos where he collapsed. She was aged 25, her relatives said. |
| Health / ECOWAS Official, Who Recieved Liberian, Patrick Sawyer, Dies Of Ebola In Lagos by prettyprettywow: 2:32am On Aug 13, 2014 |
Economic Community of West African States [ECOWAS] has announced the death of one of its staff, Jatto Abdulqudir, who died of the dreaded Ebola virus. A file photo taken on June 28, 2014 shows a member of Doctors Without Borders (MSF) putting on protective gear at the isolation ward of the Donka Hospital in Conakry, where people infected with the Ebola virus are being treated. Guinea announced on August 9, 2014 it was closing its land borders with Liberia, Sierra Leone over Ebola fears. AFP PHOTO “Mr Abdulqudir, a protocol assistant, was among those who assisted the Liberian delegate to a regional meeting Mr Patrick Sawyer, who died from the Ebola Virus Disease at a Lagos hospital on 25th July 2014.” The death of the ECOWAS official has now brought to three the number of people who died of Ebola in Nigeria. The first two were Mr. Sawyer, who brought the Ebola virus into Nigeria, and one of the nurses who treated him at the First Consultant Hospital in Lagos. Sawyer was to have attended an ECOWAS meeting and Abdulqudir escorted him to hospital in the Ikoyi neighbourhood from Lagos airport, where he arrived on a flight from Monrovia via the Togolese capital, Lome Read ECOWAS full statement on the passing of the late Mr. Abdulqudir below. “The ECOWAS Commission announces with deep regret the passing of a staff member of its Lagos Liaison Office, Mr. Jatto Asihu Abdulqudir, aged 36. “Mr. Abdulqudir, a Protocol Assistant, was among those who assisted the Liberian delegate to a regional meeting Mr. Patrick Sawyer, who died from the Ebola Virus Disease at a Lagos hospital on 25th July 2014. “Mr. Abdulqudir had been under quarantine following that sad incident. “The Commission wishes to use this opportunity to express its gratitude to Nigerian government authorities and others who contributed to managing the late official while under quarantine. The Management of the Commission wishes to commiserate with Mr. Abdulqudir’s family and colleagues and prays for the repose of his soul. “Before this sad event, the Commission working in collaboration with Nigerian health authorities, had disinfected all the facilities of the ECOWAS Lagos Liaison Office as part of precautionary measures to safeguard the health, safety and security of staff members, and will continue to monitor the situation. “Management has also intensified awareness campaign among staff on the deadly virus and uses this opportunity to invoke the spirit of solidarity and mutual assistance. “The Commission wishes to reassure staff of all Community Institutions all over the entire region that it is taking all necessary steps to guarantee their health and safety. “Furthermore, Management enjoins all staff members and community citizens in general to intensify the observance of personal hygiene. They should also report any suspected case to health facilities and seek medical advice or attention for the effective containment and defeat of the Ebola disease. “On the directive of regional leaders, ECOWAS has already set up a Solidarity Fund to fight the disease and has solicited the support contribution of Member States and development partners to the Fund to rid the region of the virus. “The ECOWAS Commission wishes to reiterate its continued commitment to support Member States in confronting this deadly virus.” - See more at: http://www.vanguardngr.com/2014/08/ecowas-announces-death-official-recieved-liberian-patrick-sawyer-dies-ebola-lagos/#sthash.noCAom2V.6trj78TF.dpuf |
| Health / Ebola: NMA Deceit And The N1.9 Billon Special Intervention Fund by prettyprettywow: 5:45pm On Aug 12, 2014 |
NMA commendation of federal government declaration of Ebola Disease Virus outbreak as an emergency and NMA declaration of her readiness to collaborate with government is laughable as it reveals the hidden desire for money and insincerity of the association. Nigeria Medical Association led by political physicians has been on strike before the outbreak of this infectious virus in Nigeria and plea to call off or suspend the strike has been given deaf ears not even on the ground of this deadly virus have they yielded a positive response, but suddenly all state branches of NMA are ready to collaborate with government on ending the outbreak. These political class at the echelon of NMA were however quick to commend Mr President for declaring a state of emergency on the deadly Ebola Virus, deceiving the ever gullible populist that they care for the patient and health of every Nigerian. A society were liars are clothed with the garment of truthful leaders what do you expect, lies become the official language. If they love the people as they claim, they will not be on strike when bomb victims are on hospital beds across the country and faced with an epidemic of this magnitude warranting declaration of an emergency. This emergency now calls for all hands to be on deck so as to fight the virus and prevent it from spreading so as to restore normalcy. Those who are thinking the commendation is a sign of good will are day dreaming, the reason for NMA commendation is because the federal government has opened a new channel for looting of money, the amount is 1.9billion naira and it may end up in the pocket of these NMA political leaders which they will use to manage for the end of year celebration adding to the unspent budgetary allocation they also control as directors in ministry of health. It will take care of the normal Christmas holiday shopping in Dubai and their annual vacation in Paris and other major cities in Europe. You may not agree but have you asked the NMA president why he resigned and his resignation was not accepted? He had a deal with the king makers in NMA to carry on the struggle to maintain exclusive head of the health sector so that they continue their looting of funds allocated to the sector. His resignation is seen as losing the struggle and their insatiable quest to oiling their pocket. The comatose state of our health sector is as a result of these cabals; they award all the contracts and medical supplies to themselves and cronies and divert monies for the sector development into their pockets exclusively as they are the only authorized persons allowed to do so based on their own understanding of being the only medically qualified which they have forced the federal government into accepting in a commando style. www.nursingworldnigeria.com However, few physicians are not aware of this arrangement, those who know are simply told to wait for their turn as very soon they will be in management position to participate in the” lootocracy” going on in the sector while some with godly conscience are seriously kicking against this evil enrichment. NMA must know that the Nigerian people have suffered enough. They have shed tears as a result of early but avoidable deaths of loved family members and friend, paying millions in order to access health outside the country when it could be done here at home if funds allocated to the sector are properly utilized as budgeted. Only if we had leaders who can stop this madness going on in the health sector , only if our leaders will think beyond winning elections to doing the right thing needed now our health sector will rise up to the challenge of combating this disease trends that now threatens our existence. Toroko Amos (Concerned Citizen) Building The Nation http:///Z82LS 1 Like |
| Health / Sawyer: Lagos Nurse Shows Ebola Symptoms by prettyprettywow: 1:18am On Aug 06, 2014 |
There was gloom at the secretariat of the Nigerian Medical Association,Lagos State chapter when the association’s Chairman, Dr. Tope Ojo, disclosed that the matron of the hospital where the Liberian-born American, Patrick Sawyer, was admitted for treatment was showing symptoms of Ebola virus. The matron is one of the health workers at the Obalende, Lagos hospital who attended to Sawyer before he died of the disease (Ebola) on July 25.. A female medical doctor, who also participated in managing the Liberian- American was confirmed on Monday by the Minister of Health, Prof. Onyebuchi Chukwu, to have contracted the deadly virus. Apart from the female medical doctor and the matron, six other people suspected to have been infected with the virus are being quarantined at the IDH, Yaba. Ojo, who added that 30 striking doctors had volunteered to attend to the medical needs of all those with Ebola-related case, stated that the female medical doctor was stable. He said, “We know that the infected doctor is stable, however, the matron is showing symptoms too. But everybody, including the experts from the World Health Organisation, are doing all they can. “Strike or no strike, we must respond to emergencies. Our doctors are at the Yaba hospital where isolated contacts are being monitored.” Ojo however said the NMA was having a challenge getting volunteers to be part of the Ebola Case Management Committee because of the fear of contracting the virus. The NMA chairman said, “There are seven committees working on the management of the disease at the centre in Lagos which our members are part of. “ But the committee which we are having a challenge getting volunteers is that of case management. This committee comprises people that work directly with confirmed cases. “Our doctors are worried about the danger it(Ebola virus) poses to their lives and they need to be reassured. “We understand their fears and we are making moves to confirm the level of preparedness of the government for doctors.” He stressed the need for the government to put adequate measures in place to assure health workers of their safety in stemming the virus. “ Look at the protective measures that doctors in Liberia and Guinea wear. They are well protected, yet some of them still caught it,” Ojo said. A doctor in one of the committees, Dr. Babajide Saheed, said they were working closely with WHO and other stakeholders to contain the spread of the virus. Saheed said,” Not all doctors can attend to an Ebola patient. In fact, you must limit the number of health workers treating affected persons just to contain the risk. “We will be escalating the situation if doctors rush to the Mainland hospital to attend to patients.” A top official of the IDH said the Lagos State Government should designate one of its hospitals to accommodate more persons that might be isolated for monitoring. “The mainland hospital may not be enough if we are to isolate more persons who had contact with Sawyer and those who have had direct contact with those people too,” he added. He said that “ instead of using a ward in an hospital, it is better to just designate a whole hospital and evacuate patients from it.” The Bloomberg Businessweek reported on Tuesday that Nigeria was considering applying for a dose of the experimental Ebola therapy to treat the Lagos female doctor. “We will exploit the possibility of getting some (ZMapp Experimental Drug),” the Lagos State Health Commissioner, Jide Idris, said. The San Diego, United States-based Mapp Biopharmaceutical Inc.’s experimental ZMapp drug had only been tested on infected animals before it was given to Kent Brantly and Nancy Writebol, the two U S health workers who were infected with the virus in Liberia. Airline’s manifest with FG, says LASG Also on Tuesday, the Lagos State Government said Asky Airline had made the full manifest of passengers on its flight KP50 available to the Federal Government. The flight had brought the 40-year-old Sawyer into Lagos via the Murtala Muhammed International Airport, Lagos. The state government had last week said it could not give the precise number of passengers in the flight since the airline had not made the manifest available. However, the Health Commissioner , Dr. Idris, said on Tuesday that the Federal Government had the list. The commissioner, while updating journalists on development on the virus in the state, said, ”The airline has made the comprehensive list of the people on the flight available to the Federal Government through the Federal Airports Authority of Nigeria.” Idris added that the government was still compiling a list of all the primary and secondary contacts of the Lagos female doctor who contracted the Ebola virus from Sawyer. The Commissioner, who also dispelled the rumour that the doctor had died, said the development was part of measures to curb the spread of the disease. According to him, contact tracing is one of the measures needed to curb the spread of the virus. He urged the public to be vigilant, especially with regards to relating with ill people. Idris said, “Contact tracing is essential and very important to stop the spread of Ebola virus. In the case of the doctor, who was infected, we have contacted her family and have opened a comprehensive list of people that had contact with her. “There is no panic as long as basic precautionary measures such as handwashing, adoption of appropriate waste management and enhanced personal/environmental hygiene are adhered to. This is a call for everyone to be vigilant, especially with regard to relating with people who are ill.” The commissioner said it would be more difficult to control the spread of the virus if health workers were not around to help. He said, “I appeal to the striking doctors to return to work and to other health workers to sheath their swords and embrace team work. We also count on the cooperation of the people of Lagos State.” A senior official in his ministry, who pleaded anonymity because he was not competent to speak on the issue, confirmed that the manifest was in the custody of the ministry. The source however said he could not confirm whether the Lagos state government had approached the ministry for a copy of the document. “Only the minister, the coordinator of the Centre on Ebola and the Lagos state commissioner for health are competent to speak on the issue,”he said. Flight manifest can’t be made public- FAAN However, the Nigerian Civil Aviation Authority has said that it cannot reveal to the public, the names of passengers onboard the flight that brought in the late Sawyer into Nigeria. Reacting to request in some quarters that the names of those onboard the flight be made public, the General Manager, Public Affairs, NCAA, Mr. Fan Ndubuoke, told one of our correspondents in Abuja that it was the duty of the agency to protect the passengers. He said, “If we mention your name as one of the passengers on that flight, tell me, how will people see you? This is not a plane crash that will require us to say that the deseased’s relatives need to know those on the flight. “These people are not dead; they are alive and we have a duty to protect them while they are receiving treatment. You can’t release such a manifest to the public because this will cause stigmatisation. We have had reason to state that it is not possible.” On what is currently happening to those onboard the flight, Ndubuoke said the FederaL Ministry of Health was in contact with them. He said, “The Minister of Health has stated that there were 50 passengers onboard that flight apart from Sawyer. He made it clear that the ministry was getting in touch with all of them. The Health ministry had explained that it was in touch with all of them and was monitoring and investigating them. Even the driver that took Sawyer is being monitored.” World Bank pledges N32bn to fight Ebola Meanwhile, the World Bank Group on Tuesday pledged $200m (N32bn) to contain the spread of Ebola in West Africa. The amount would also help communities affected by the epidemic cope with the economic impact of the crisis, and improve public health systems throughout West Africa. The bank, in a statement it made available to journalists on Tuesday, did not list Nigeria as one of the beneficiaries of the fund. Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone are the three countries that would use the money to check the spread of the virus. Ebola death toll in West Africa, according to WHO, is now 887. The statement quoted the World Bank President, Dr. Jim Kim, as saying the new financing commitment was in response to a call from WHO and the three African countries hardest-hit by the virus for immediate assistance. Kim, who is also a medical doctor experienced in the treatment of infectious diseases, added that the bank would step up social safety net assistance for affected countries and families of those infected . The bank will also help to build up public health systems in West Africa to strengthen the region’s disease control capacity more generally. Kim said, “I am very worried that many more lives are at risk unless we can stop this Ebola epidemic in its tracks. “I have been monitoring its deadly impact around the clock and am deeply saddened at how it has ravaged health workers, families and communities, disrupted normal life, and has led to a breakdown of already weak health systems in the three countries. “The international community needs to act fast to contain and stop this Ebola outbreak. I believe this new World Bank emergency funding will provide critically needed support for the response to stop the further transmission of Ebola within Guinea, Liberia, and Sierra Leone, which would prevent new infections in neighboring at-risk countries.” http://www.punchng.com/news/sawyer-lagos-matron-shows-ebola-symptoms/ |
| Health / Re: Doctors Disagree Over Strike by prettyprettywow: 10:47pm On Aug 05, 2014 |
armadeo: Seriously? not hospital based? I will share the links so you can look at them again. Just have an open mind. Don't deny what's in existence just to make arguement http://www.nhscareers.nhs.uk/explore-by-career/nursing/careers-in-nursing/nurse-consultants/ http://www.nursing-career-hub.com/Nurse-Consultant.html http://www.idph.state.ia.us/hcci/consultants.asp http://work.chron.com/clinical-nurse-consultant-13912.html |
| Health / Re: Doctors Disagree Over Strike by prettyprettywow: 10:45pm On Aug 05, 2014 |
armadeo:So Phd is useless in a Teaching hospital ba? only in Nigeria. Why then is it a Teaching hospital? It's just that Nigeria doesn't appreciate good research, if not why would somebody be saying that Phd is useless in Teaching hospital. Remember I just used the term Phd. It could be post graduate training and fellowship |
| Health / Re: Doctors Disagree Over Strike by prettyprettywow: 8:42pm On Aug 05, 2014 |
armadeo:What is the essence of furthering your education if the extra qualification will not be recognized? Your Phd and skill should be recognized and appreciated, and I think that's what JOHESU is fighting. If bearing the title 'consultant' will lead to that, so be it. If not, give to caeser what belongs to Ceaser. NMA used the title consultant to prevent others from progressing, that's why they are fighting. Not that they like the name, but the recognition and entitlement |
| Health / Re: Doctors Disagree Over Strike by prettyprettywow: 8:38pm On Aug 05, 2014 |
allycat:you can become a CNO without specifically having a Phd. Same way you can be a specialist nurse with Phd without automatically jumping to the post of CNO just because you have the highest qualification. That's why I said you can become a CNO through job progression (you should have the basic requirements). For me, I don't see any big deal in answering a consultant, but I should be able to get my entitlements for the extra education/work as a specialist in my field. There is no need to google hospital consultant when you can google nurse consultant, consultant Dr/pharm/lab. Please google well to know the norm in UK hospitals. Don't talk for the sake of talking. In another post, I shared several links on nurse consultants in UK, I'm sure you will purposely ignore that. So you are happy that your mum retired as an Assistant Director without reaching the peak of her career as a director? Imagine limiting somebody to the post of assistant till they retire all in the name of we can't allow others to grow and become directors in their field because it will "disrupt and disjoint" the chain of command |
| Health / Re: Doctors Disagree Over Strike by prettyprettywow: 6:17pm On Aug 05, 2014 |
Zeus777: could u please provide source for ur above statement viz a viz doctors crying when they heard about planned privatizationhttp://www.punchng.com/news/fg-moves-to-privatise-hospitals/ |
| Health / Re: Doctors Disagree Over Strike by prettyprettywow: 4:21pm On Aug 05, 2014 |
The difference is that they will be better prepared to move the health care forward. There expertise are not being fully utilized. |
| Health / Re: Nigerian Doctor Who Treated Victim Infected With Ebola by prettyprettywow: 4:12pm On Aug 05, 2014 |
Samgreguc:Na wa for you oh. You are saying this because you are an outsider. So if you are working in OPD, you will wear a full regalia to attend to every patient when you don't know their history yet? remember he was brought to the hospital like every other patient, and his vital signs must have been checked first before asking questions and getting history. This is just an unfortunate incidence, I am sure other workers will be more prepared now. She has already paid the prize for others |
| Health / Re: Nigerian Doctor Who Treated Victim Infected With Ebola by prettyprettywow: 4:11pm On Aug 05, 2014 |
Samgreguc:She must have made the first physical contact before questioning the patient and getting his history. It's not as if she was given a notice that a patient is coming from Liberia.If a patient's condition is very bad, the common thing is to give emergency care first before asking questions, I'm sure that is what this Dr did. Please stop the blame game, this is not the time for it |
| Health / Re: Doctors Disagree Over Strike by prettyprettywow: 3:56pm On Aug 05, 2014 |
armadeo:There is no doubt that Drs are the head when it comes to clinical services, nobody is disputing that. but that should not stop others from making their own unique impact. This issue is not about headship in clinical service, but about other's professional growth. A consultant nurse/pharmacy can never say that he/she is the head of a clinical team. It's not done, but they are entitled to make their own impact and specialize in their own field and be able to teach their younger ones. Nobody is displacing the Drs and their work. And the earlier the drs realize that we all possess different skills and stop comparing themselves with other's, the better for everybody |
| Health / Re: Doctors Disagree Over Strike by prettyprettywow: 3:48pm On Aug 05, 2014 |
allycat: I really believe they should privatize health care in Nigeria, we would suffer for a while but in time a lot of the malaise of the health sector will cool down. That way if a hospital requires the services of a consultant nurse or doctor or pharmacist or whatever they will advertise for one and employ whomever they wish. Doctors will also learn that in order to get along you must specialize if not you remain redundant.so why are consultant Drs crying when they heard that govt is planning to privatize govt hospitals? guess they know better than you. Atleast, NMA will stop agitating for nonsense and face their work. Let govt privatize health care after granting consultancy staus to others |
| Health / Re: Doctors Disagree Over Strike by prettyprettywow: 3:44pm On Aug 05, 2014 |
allycat: The designation consultant is not a title it is a job description. The terms Matron, Sister or Staff are not medical terms, but anybody coming to the hospital and hearing those terms automatically knew they were referring to a Nurse. Before the recent change in nomenclature a Matron was the most senior nurse in a hospital while a Consultant was a senior doctor leading a team of doctors and responsible for patients under his care. Now nurses in Nigeria no longer want to be Matrons or CNO's but would rather be consultants. Maybe doctors should stop answering consultant and use the American appellation Attending Physicians. I am sure in 10 years time nurses will now say Attending is the peak of a nurses career. Or we will now have pharmacist and physiotherapist now saying they want to be Attending pharmacists and Attending Physiotherapist.What we have is chief nursing officer and that is just a rank. It is not gotten through education but job progression Consultant is a job description thanks for letting me know that. So why are Nigerian Drs claiming ownership of the word? Until they start paying others specialist /matron allowance. This is just a case of monkey dey work, Baboon dey chop. |
| Health / Re: Nigerian Doctor Who Treated Victim Infected With Ebola by prettyprettywow: 2:40pm On Aug 05, 2014 |
And for the Drs shouting 5k hazard allowance, no amount of hazard allowance will be enough for health workers. So stop making it look like 100k hazard allowance will prevent medical workers from contracting infections. even if you pay me 100million hazard allowance, I will not intentionally risk my life cos that is not what I'm worth. The allowance should be to encourage health workers. Please you people should stop bringing it up in this ebola case. It kind of makes one sound dumb as if that is what your life's worth |
| Health / Re: Nigerian Doctor Who Treated Victim Infected With Ebola by prettyprettywow: 2:35pm On Aug 05, 2014 |
Samgreguc:How would the Dr have known that she was dealing with ebola patient? That was the first case in Nigeria, and it's unfortunate that she was the first person to come in contact with such patient. Atleast, she tried in alerting us about the possibility of the virus in Nigeria. Other health workers can now learn from her. Please let's not let this NMA/JOHESU thing cloud our judgement. We should all support and pray for one another 1 Like |
| Health / Re: Sad:doctor Who Treated Late Liberian Man Dies, Two Other Medical Personnel Down by prettyprettywow: 2:26pm On Aug 05, 2014 |
how reliable is your source? |
| Health / Re: Doctors Disagree Over Strike by prettyprettywow: 12:57pm On Aug 05, 2014 |
it exists oo. In Uk, they are all called consultant. Drs and nurses. It just shows that you are a specialist in your field. Hence they put your title before and after the the word consultant. USA do not use the title consultant, they have their own special name (attending, APRN/specialist nurses). Since Nigeria is using the same word as the UK, why will it be restricted to Drs alone? And yes, they have been doing the same work, they just want recognition and appreciation for services rendered armadeo: |
| Health / Re: Doctors Disagree Over Strike by prettyprettywow: 12:50pm On Aug 05, 2014 |
Since you agree that there are other consultants, then where do you want them to bear the title, in their kitchen? where will a consultant nurse and lab scientist bear their title if not in their own territory? Google the word "registered nurse consultant", and see if anything will pop up, where they work, and the scope off their practice, since you so much like google. We are not doing popularity contest to know who appaers more on google. All we want is evidence based practice. allycat: Google the words Hospital Consultant and then educate me on how many times it refers to any other person but a physician ie medical doctor. Yes there are Consultant Pharmacists, Consultant Nurses, Consultant Physiotherapists, Consultant Laboratory Scientists all over the world but international best practice is that when the word consultant is mentioned in relation to a hospital it means a particular cadre of doctors. |
| Health / Re: Doctors Disagree Over Strike by prettyprettywow: 12:47pm On Aug 05, 2014 |
Why won't they be interested in the title and allowances? I'm sure that is also why the Drs are trying to prevent that so as to enjoy alone. You said that not every patient requires admission, lab test, drug and physio. So what will happen to those that require it? The consultant Dr should be ready to select his patients that don't require the above services while the others should deal with those that require their services if that is what you want. Abroad, patient care is a team work, but that doesn't stop anybody from becoming a specialist/consultant in their own field. It's the Nigerian Drs's selfishness that is preventing that kind of collaboration allycat: Not all patients require admission and nursing care, not every patient requires physiotherapy or laboratory tests or X-rays or drugs. It is the doctor that determines what they need and when they need it. In secondary and tertiary health care settings the patient is under the care of a Consultant who is responsible for everything concerning the patient. Who gets the blame if something goes wrong and is patted on the back when the patient does well. That's why we say we own the patient! This is world standard. In America the equivalent is Attending Physician. |
| Health / Re: Doctors Disagree Over Strike by prettyprettywow: 1:58am On Aug 05, 2014 |
allycat: They should let anyone who wants become a consultant in the hospital. But on one condition he has the same responsibilities as every other consultant. Run his own clinics,make diagnosis, treatment plan and monitor his patients till they are discharged. Presently once a patient is registered to a consultant he takes responsibility for treatment outcome for that patient. If he is a surgeon and the patient requires a cardiologist, no cardiologist can just walk up to that patient unless he recognizes the need and invites one, if he invites a cardiologist and does not agree with the cardiologist on a treatment plan it is his decision and he takes responsibility for it. Likewise he decides which investigations to do for his patient, nobody can just walk in and start investigating his patient and expect him to work with those results. If unfortunately the patient dies it is on his record. Now if the new consultants come into the system they should be ready to work like that not expect a doctor consultant to see patients make a diagnosis and hand over to him for him to "consult" then back to the doctor to monitor and continue management when he has finished what he considers his work. Let the hospital have nurses clinics, pharmacy clinics, laboratory clinics, physiotherapy clinics and let the patients choose whom they want to see.Nigeria is not the first country to have other health workers as consultants, neither will it be the last. We will still run our healthcare system like other advanced nations who have different consultants in the hospitals . A patient's medical care will be under the care of a consultant Dr, where as a patient's nursing care will probably be under the care of a nurse consultant, if that is how we want it, or better still, the other consultant will be invited when his/her expertise is needed(e.g consultant pharmacist), if anything goes wrong, then the hospital will know if it is from nursing care, medical care, or otherwise . Saying that other consultants should admit and discharge their own patients makes it sound like you are in competition or dragging something with somebody.If that is the case, Consultant Drs should be ready to admit, nurse their own patients 24/7, conduct their own lab test, produce and dispense their own drugs, do their own physiotherapy as well as their own radiography. Let all man be on his own. Don't think that the care of patient starts and ends with a Dr. We all have our licenses to defend, and who ever is implicated in the death of a patient will face the consequences which may include revoking their license. I have never seen where a Dr takes the blame of a nurse's mistake. It doesn't happen and will never happen. We all take responsibility for our actions and that will not change if others become consultant. REMEMBER INTERNATIONAL BEST PRACTICE is what we all want. 2 Likes |
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