₦airaland Forum

Danladi7:
you are too ignorant!

historyworld030:
Some people hate the truth.
Why do you hate the truth ?
Why must you sustain your delusion ?

honey001:
Hypocrites are many on this Forum called Nairaland! When a certain king was visiting here and there, they condemned him, it is the turn of their king now, they tune changes to its a welcome development......

MasterKim:
Dz is Photoshop. Na only afonja oba dey travel

saint047:
The new political Oba of Benin

historyworld030:
Some ancient maps of Benin Kingdom:

This one dates to around 1699:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595525w/f1.item.r=Benin.zoom

An other map of Benin made in the 17th century once again:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b530530714.r=Benin?rk=214593;2

An other map of Benin from the 17th century:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595583b.r=Benin?rk=193134;0

This one date to the 19th century:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8469390z/f1.item.r=Benin.zoom

An other map from the 17th century:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595527q/f1.item.r=Benin.zoom

historyworld030:
Sometimes I am afraid that when my wife gives birth to my baby, some yoruba will come and claim that my baby is actually fathered by a yoruba and not me. The yoruba efforts to devide the Edo people looks so desperate. They come to us and tell us that they know us more than we know ourselves. They tell us that they know us more than actual historical documents (which are kept in european libraries and museums). They come and tell us they know our kings better than we do, they claim that they know our arts better than we do, and finally they claim that those of us who live in the capital (Benin City) are yoruba. They claim that our capital is a kingdom and "a yoruba kingdom". These fools still don't know that Benin City and Benin Kingdom are not the same thing ! Benin City is only the capital of Benin Kingdom !!! Benin City is a city in a kingdom !! Not the Kingdom itself ! Edo state itself is just a small part of the ancient Benin Kingdom. And the name of our people irrespective of where they live in the kingdom is Edo.
Just imagine Norwegians claiming that the people of paris are vikings while the rest of france is whatever.
These people don't know the first thing about us but they want to own our history and keep pushing incredible claims.

historyworld030:
This is one of the reasons I really dislike yoruba people. Why do you keep making all these laughable claims ?
Can you provide any proof of the Palace of Omo n'Oba n'Edo ever speaking yoruba ?
The Oba was visited by countless europeans in the middle ages and none of them said "he was speaking yoruba", actually your yoruba didn't even exist as a people nor as a land. The reason why people hate you guys is that not only you are inventing your "history", but you want to rewrite other people's to suit your previous creations. Our history is well documented in the british museum and in several european libraries. You people keep trying to steal our history by claiming everything which is ours.
The british stole our Bronzes from our Oba Ovonramwen's palace, and then the yoruba went on to claim that they taught the Edo how to make that Bronze. Even the title of our King "Oba" you people copied. You also had to go on and claim we were from ife. You had to go on and claim that our Kings used to be buried in ife...Why are you guys obsessed with us, let us be !!!!!
The worse is that you idiots don't even know our name, we are not "bini" we are Edo ! You are trying to rewrite our history while you don't even know our name.

PabloAfricanus:
You miss the point really. And your analogy is off. Yoruba rituals and festivals DO NOT HAVE TO MATCH other people's own for there to be a historical link. The Fulanis that took over Ilorin for example do not have a ritual depicting the battles they fought before they took over the city and established an emirate. Are you aware Alimi provided an escourt to take the Alaafin safely back to Oyo after he was captured by Fulani/Hausa soldiers fighting for Afonja? They told him the Aare was gonna spill the Alaafin's blood for sacrifice and he refused to give him up for that purpose.
So going by your analogy, the Fulani wars with Oyo never took place right?

About Bini and Oduduwa, for starters, if you cared to investigate you would find out that the monarchies in most lands ARE ALMOST ALWAYS FOREIGNERS who where not indigenes in the first place. For example, the royal family of England are not even English, Welsh or Scottish. Same goes for Spain, Netherlands and others.
So your idea of trying to create an exception for Yorubas won't fly because history is not on your side.
All oral and recorded history about Oduduwa repeats one fact, he was welcomed into Ife.

This is a Bini account, referencing with songs and rituals as you expect




And he was NOT FROM Oke-Ora as you like saying all the time, hear it from the Ooni himself

https://www.oonirisa.org/history-of-ile-ife/



So there you have it, Oduduwa arrived with his groups to Ife.
An indigene cannot arrive to a place where he is indigenous to except language has lost its meaning.
The Oduduwa group were not indigenous to Ife according to historical records, here is a editorial by Eluyemi on the Guardian that HAS NOT BEEN CONTESTED

https://guardian.ng/features/ife-coronation-rituals-and-the-primacy-of-history/



The defeated chiefs are even called upon to supply music!
Let's add more fire to the raging discussion, notice Eluyemi did not say Ife’s autochthonous Ugbo population but Ife’s autochthonous Igbo population.
I know some peeps are gonna be like
He was referring to Ugbo in Ilaje right? But was he? That must have been a typo on his part right?

Some Ife historians mix it up half way and can't seem to make up their minds whether it is Ugbo or Igbo.

http://ifeooye..com.ng/2016/03/art-in-ancient-ife-birthplace-of-yoruba.html




Talking about Ugbo, you are going to have to contend with Oba Akinruntan if you want to contest further on Oduduwa's history of not being native to Ife.

https://www.thisdaylive.com/index.php/2016/08/27/oba-frederick-obateru-akinruntan-i-am-the-owner-of-ile-ife-i-can-rule-ife-from-my-palace-if-allowed/




Now apparently even Akinruntan bought into the Mecca myth when the proper reference was somewhere to the East. I blame it on literacy or lack of geographical knowledge, as the Mecca fabrication is not only tenable but totally unrealistic IMO.
The point is, it is established that Oduduwa came from somewhere to Ife, was accepted, fought with the native power brokers to establish his dominance and gained ascendancy to start a dynasty.
What you are going to have to prove to me is which independent kingdom goes out to another unrelated kingdom to ask them to supply a king for them if there was no relationship in the first place?
Are you aware of the claims by Ogiamen family in Bini today that the present royal family of Bini are Yorubas and not ethnic Binis? They claim the Oliha back then went to Uhe to bring a Yoruba prince to usurp Ogiamen's authority. History records that the Ogiamen was later defeated and was forced to sell the land symbolically to the new king.
Why did the Oliha have to go to Uhe? Why not Zaria or Bida or Idah?
How did the Oliha manage to convince a notoriously difficult people like the Binis to accept a foreign prince as a king, even when an Ogie was already ruling the land?
So you see, the story is not as simple as you are trying to make it appear.
The history of most peoples in Southern Nigeria is way more related than we care to admit.

historyworld030:
I was having a logical conversation with logical arguments and you needed to throw a mythological figure "Oduduwa" into it ?
Is your head OK ?
Soon the Haussas will start claiming that the Oba of Benin is Haussa and that his court speeks haussa as their official language and that he never denied his haussa kins ...
Everybody can play that game, that is why one must provide proof when he makes a claim.
Just one question also: if I learn yoruba now and speak it fluently, are you also going to start claiming that yoruba is the "lingua franca" in my family and that for thousands of years we have been speaking yoruba ?
I am just saying this because there is no logical substance in your argumentation.
Get yourself a functionning brain.

historyworld030:
This is one of the reasons I really dislike yoruba people. Why do you keep making all these laughable claims ?
Can you provide any proof of the Palace of Omo n'Oba n'Edo ever speaking yoruba ?
The Oba was visited by countless europeans in the middle ages and none of them said "he was speaking yoruba", actually your yoruba didn't even exist as a people nor as a land. The reason why people hate you guys is that not only you are inventing your "history", but you want to rewrite other people's to suit your previous creations. Our history is well documented in the british museum and in several european libraries. You people keep trying to steal our history by claiming everything which is ours.
The british stole our Bronzes from our Oba Ovonramwen's palace, and then the yoruba went on to claim that they taught the Edo how to make that Bronze. Even the title of our King "Oba" you people copied. You also had to go on and claim we were from ife. You had to go on and claim that our Kings used to be buried in ife...Why are you guys obsessed with us, let us be !!!!!
The worse is that you idiots don't even know our name, we are not "bini" we are Edo ! You are trying to rewrite our history while you don't even know our name.

ProudToBeAZombie:
Seeing that Igala thread on FP today, i am force to believe Yoruba, Ibo, and Bini have shared something in common during ancient times.


I just don't know if we are somehow connected, do you have any suggestions, researches, books regarding this topic?

Elose11:
BENIN—FRESH tension is brewing between the Yoruba and the Benin Traditional Council, as the Esogban of Benin Kingdom, Chief David Edebiri, described as absolute falsehood and provocative, the claim by the Oore of Mobaland, Oba James Adedapo Popoola, that until 1914, Benin Obas were buried in IIe-Ife.

He also described as untenable, the claim by Oba Popoola that the Oba of Benin is number four in the cadre of Yoruba kings. The Esogban was reacting to an interview granted by Oba Popoola to a national newspaper (not Vanguard). Speaking to Vanguard in Benin City, Chief Edebiri, who is also the Odionwere of Benin Kingdom, said the position of Oba Popoola was misleading and must not be taken seriously. According to him: “It is absolute falsehood to say that Benin Obas were taken to Ile- Ife for burial. It never happened in our history. The precursor of this present dynasty, Oranmiyan, who came from Ife as requested by the Benin people, went back alive when he felt that he could not cope with the politics of Benin. He went back to Ife. Maybe, he was the one who died there and was buried and they now claim that Benin Obas were buried in Ife. I think that is where the notion came from. The Oba that came after Oraminyan, Eweka I, died and was buried here according to Benin traditional rites, within the palace environment. No Bini man can claim to know where the kings are buried. The two successive obas, the children of Eweka 1, both of them ruled within a space of two years, they died and they were buried here. “So, I pity the Kabiyesi because in the first place, according to him, he is now 17 years on the throne. Maybe, he wants relevance and to be able to do that, he made his wild claims. But what surprises me is, why drag Benin into their problems? If he wanted relevance in his area he should not bring Benin into it. These two Obas in quick succession ruled in Benin and were not taken to Ife. “One can only imagine what it entailed at that time to carry a corpse from Benin to Ife for burial. What was the method of preservation, what was the method of transportation of the remains being carried to Ife and that was done each time an Oba here joined his ancestors? It is not true at all, absolutely untrue.

What I want to advise these people is, in the history of a people, you have history and you have fable and you have folklore. It is possible this is one of their fables which has no sanctity of historical facts. “So, to bring what I am saying vividly, the most prominent Benin king that everybody knows about is Ewuare I. I will tell you what the doyen of Benin history, Late Dr Jacob Egharevba, recorded about his death and burial that was in 1440. In the short history of Benin by Dr J.U Egharevba, page 17 says: “Ewuare died after a long reign and was buried at Esi, near Udo” Udo is in Ovia West Local Government Area, “as commanded before his death.” “This was the oba who commanded that if he died because he was sick, they should not bury him in Benin City, they should take him to Esi, his own mother’s village, to bury. Up-till this time, we are talking, the burial place is preserved, and every Oba who wants to ascend the throne in Benin must go there to perform certain ceremonies. The ascension of Oba Ewuare II was not exempted from this. So, that tells you that there is no iota of truth in the issue. It is a mere figment of their imagination. It is not true. Many of the Yoruba kings today are products of the royal family of Benin. Their lines were begun by Benin people from here but we have never said they should bring their corpses to us. “In Benin, it is a taboo to bring the corpse of your son to you. If it is true, as claimed by the Ooni of Ife who is the father of Oranmiyan which we do not dispute, and Oranmiyan did not stay here in Benin till his death, he went back to Ife, why should he wait for his grand children’s corpse to be brought to him each time any of them passesd on here? “There is no sense in it that you just sit down somewhere in Ife waiting for the corpses of your grandchildren to be brought to you. What do you do with it? So you can see that there is no sense in that” he stated. On the claim that the Oba of Benin was the fourth in the cadre of Yoruba kings, Chief Edebiri said: “This is an oba I am hearing of for the first time and I am sure many people who read that story, would have come across that news for the first time. All the cock and bull stories that he told in that interview that he is the announcer of the passage of Ooni of Ife, well that suits him, if his duty is to announce the passage of another king. “He cannot claim to be number four in Yoruba land because that is in direct conflict with what the Alake of Egbaland was saying a few months ago. The political connection we had with them, we successfully severed the connection in 1963 when we had the plebiscite that created Midwest Region. So, we have nothing to do with their classification, they can go on with whatever they think they are. The Oba of Benin cannot be classified with any of them. Maybe it is not generally known that some of the most progressive kingdoms in the Yorubaland have kings who have direct connection with the royal family of Benin. Maybe they do not even know.”

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2017/02/no-benin-oba-buried-lle-ife-esogban-benin-edebiri/

Nnamdiojukwu:
Same here.

Bajoagbo:
mechanical engineering, FutMINNA

macof:
what Edo towns in Ondo and Ekiti?

You seem bitter and hateful

BeeBeeOoh:
So you want to chop Thank You, chop Very Much?