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MaxInDHouse:
You only need to humble yourself and learn the truth Ma!

The difference between the first Israelite king (Saul) and the second Israelite king (David) wasn't the weight of their wrongdoings otherwise David committed grievous blunders.

But while Saul was trying to justify his error before Samuel (the same man God used to appoint and anoint him as king over Israel) 1Samuel 15:1-35
David on the other hand humbly admitted his wrongdoing when confronted by a prophet, David was willing to make amendments. Despite this JEHOVAH still punished David but he accepted DISCIPLINE! 2Samuel 15:1-31

So no matter the wrongdoing JEHOVAH knew the circumstances surrounding the sinner, all He wanted is for the sinner to accept DISCIPLINE, any effort to reject it will lead the sinner far away from our God!

See how you discussed forgiveness of sins (the reason why Lord Jesus had to die) without mentioning Christ? That's the illustration right there:
You JWs are not Christians. You are JWs, more aligned with Judaism than Christianity. Only difference is you cherry pick which of the 613 commandments you'd keep and ostracize people for. I don't know why u guys still bother pretending to be of Christ.

Janosky:
MaxInDHouse
Madam, which spirit?
the Jesus & adulterous woman story you narrated, is proven to be fake & not in the holy scriptures.
The scriptures I have referenced in my comments are genuine and authentic.
1 Corinthians 5:1-2. Show remorse over the sinful act,not pride..
1 Corinthians 5:9-13, discipline and expel that wicked man from your midst. He did not repent and amend his ways.
James 5:14-16, 2 Cor 13:7,11. We assist the remorseful sinner to readjust,turn a new leaf.


You mouth forgiveness upandan,as if God doesn't have rules, regulations & standards.

I have asked you several times:
why did God not forgive Sodom & Gomorrah?
Madam,why did God not forgive Ananias & Sapphira and tell them to sin no more?

You mouth forgiveness upandan, Madam why did Jesus Christ chase away traders and merchants from the temple when he would have forgiven them to sin no more?

Madam, why did Paul write to the Corinthian brothers ( @ 1 Corinthians 5:1-2,9-13) to expel the man who slept with his Father's wife?

The Corinthian brothers should forgive him while he continues sleeping with his Father's wife, business as usual ?

Madam, please relearn your Bible, understand the place of forgiveness divine punishment & discipline.

Have you visited our official website to request for a free home Bible study (preferably online), at a time convenient for you?
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Which spirit? I'm not surprised u asked that question because I can now see the concept is alien to JWs. Well the Bible says many things. If u quote something to prove a point, something else can be quoted to disprove it. Not only that, you don't know what has been embellished, mis-translated, or just made up. The SPIRIT is what let's you see through all that to the nature of the Person you claim to be following - His Spirit. So someone shows u where it says an eye for an eye or Sodom, u don't have to read anything to know that does not tally with the Spirit. Same way, you don't have to read anything to know that communal shunning does not tally with the Spirit.
It is what Pagans would do and (as Christ would ask) what then is the difference between you and pagans?
Not only that, YOU know you are in no position to judge anybody. You know u r a sinner. The only difference between you and those u r shunning is that you have not been caught or that you sin differently!

MaxInDHouse:
Even PrincessGlow is still trying to misconstrue what the scriptures stated in black and white, i beleive they're enjoying their condition outside the camp just as we are enjoying the safety in the city of refuge!

I have never had anything to do with JW like I stated b4. Infact this is the first time I've had this type of argument.
But I've now seen JW are mislead. You are not followers of Christ. You are followers of JW. I pray one day you get a true understanding of these things.
Ciao

ospido:
Even @9:51 am you're still quoting people up and down.

Is it not clear that you really are confused?

If you were in Church or may be in your juju house and typing messages here and there, then where is your respect for God?

Even in your condition, God can still forgive you provided you repent genuinely.
Repent and get forgiveness

My friend everybody is not in Nigeria

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus confirmed this when he told the crowd that you're his brother only if you share the same faith with him! Matthew 12:46-49


Jeremiah 31:31-34


We are not even keeping Jewish laws but the laws of the Christ, Jesus himself won't refer to people as "workers of Iniquity" if there's no DISCIPLINARY actions involved in what he laid down! Matthew 7:21-23



Do you think Paul or any of his contemporaries were sinless when he published names of those not keeping up with the spirit {3John 1:9} shey?
Or you thought Judas Iscariot didn't realize that his name will be published everywhere the gospel is preached shey?
My young woman, there's nothing as in absolutely NOTHING you can say against the TRUTH. It's the heritage of God's people and our righteousness is from JEHOVAH not you! Isaiah 54:17

May you have PEACE!

He is still talking about he is keeping laws. "The laws of Jesus". Praytell what are the laws of Jesus. And u didn't tell us why u don't keep Sabbat.

Lastmankc:
Why is it that there is no declaration here,and it's only in Muslim thread there's declaration.

Because Christians don't kill people for insulting

MaxInDHouse:
So how many animal sacrifices do you see us perform?
Do you see us stone anyone to death physically?
Do you see us travel to visit Jerusalem Temple?

What i simply told you is that the SPIRIT that led the Israelites out of Egypt and gave them all those 600+ laws is still the same but since He is widening out to other nations to bring them all under Him, operations must change but the standard remains the same.
Ask any of those you're saying JWs shun if anyone will throw them out of JEHOVAH'S house or ask them why they're there.
The principle stands so if the disfellowshiped wants things to return to normal he/she should concur not proving right when you're wrong. But if you feel you're right while the organization is wrong, no wahala please PRESENT a better performing group!

However i'm not your brother Ma, you and i aren't related in any way so i'm your neighbour not your brother!

My bros, oh they won't even let you say "my brother", a mere coloquialism - u can only say it to JW"s? I see what it is now - JWs are not really into Christ. Where did it tell you the operations have changed? Can you cite it? You are insistent on being saved by laws. Do you even keep the Sabbath? I ask you again, how many of those attributes of love are you showing the person you are shunning? You even admitted they publish their names. And look at you, a pathetic habitual sinner, shunning someone for sinning. Look at all the JWs convicted of all sorts of heinous crimes, they are among those shunning a 21 year old for loving a non-JW till she commits suicide!

MaxInDHouse:
I wanted to stop chatting with you but before then i think it's better to clear some issues you are getting wrong regarding the SPIRIT!
First of all i want you to know that it's the same SPIRIT that ordered Israelites to stone sinners to death in the old covenant that's still operating with God's people. JEHOVAH has not changed!
The only difference is each worshiper now has a duty (to preach and teach his neighbour the good news of God's kingdom) and it's not only in Israel where the constitution was written under inspiration. Christians in other places can't practice stoning of sinners to death in lands where the constitution doesn't support it. Moreover Jesus ordered his followers to assist the weak ones in their midst unlike when they do exterminate the spiritually weak ones.
So the standard has not changed!
Sinners will not inherit God's Kingdom but repentant ones will be shown mercy.
Apostle Paul expatiate on the spirit of LOVE when he said:
Love is patient and kind. Love is not jealous. It does not brag, does not get puffed up, does not behave indecently, does not look for its own interests, does not become provoked. It does not keep account of the injury. It does not rejoice over unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth. It bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
1Corinthians 13:4-7
LOVE doesn't rejoice with unrighteousness but rejoice with the truth. Anyone that's disfellowshiped amongst JWs lacks this kind of LOVE.
©They are not patient so instead of accepting discipline from the organization they brag.
©They're puffed up with pride as if they don't know that the rules is binding on one and all.
©They start behaving indecently instead of maintaining their humility.
©They put their PERSONAL interest ahead of all other things.
©They get easily provoked as if they must see JEHOVAH face to face before succumbing to what the body of elders decide.
©They want to keep account of those who wronged them instead of to let go.
©They will embrace wrongdoings to spite the organization but in disguise they'll claim they are showing love.
All these will lead you out of the organization, so truthfully speaking you have not come to know the spirit of LOVE!

But you may wish to dispute this so i'll implore you to PRESENT a better performing group of worshipers than Jehovah's Witnesses, if you can then know that you're truthful to your own soul but if you can't then know that you're deceiving yourself!

Oh my! My brother what they taught you is Judaism not Christianity. There are 613 laws in the books of Moses. How many do you obey? In Christianity we are saved by Grace not by law. Christianity is not about rituals and laws as you have been mis-taught. That's why it is not really a religion in the usual sense
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All those attributes of love u mentioned how many are you showing to the person u r shunning??

Cryptodegen:
This post does not change the fact that Bitcoin will continue to pump and that crypto have produced more millionaires this 2021 than Internet scam!

Bitcoin that has fallen from $64k to $47k in a matter of days?

Janosky:
Madam, why did God not forgive Sodom & Gomorrah?
Verse 22-35, (you no name which scripture you quote) is similar to Psalm 51, David's remorse and God's forgiveness.
You're mistaking God's forgiveness for disfellowship.
Both are very different.
I have explain the difference to you.
Your Church people knows that that story is NOT part of the original gospel of John.


Source
gotquestions.com
QUESTION
Does John 7:53—8:11 belong in the Bible?
John 7:53-8:11, pericope adulterae

ANSWER

The story of the woman caught in adultery is found in John 7:53—8:11. This section of Scripture, sometimes referred to as the pericope adulterae, has been the center of much controversy over the years. At issue is its authenticity. Did the apostle John write John 7:53—8:11, or is the story of the adulterous woman forgiven by Jesus a later, uninspired insertion into the text?

This is because the earliest (and many would say the most reliable) Greek manuscripts do not include the story of the woman taken in adultery.


The Greek manuscripts show fairly clear evidence that John 7:53—8:11 was not originally part of John’s Gospel. Among the manuscripts that do contain the section, either wholly or in part, there are variations of placement. Some manuscripts put the pericope adulterae after John 7:36, others after John 21:25, and some even place it in the Gospel of Luke (after Luke 21:38 or 24:53).

There is internal evidence, too, that John 7:53—8:11 is not original to the text. For one thing, the inclusion of these verses breaks the flow of John’s narrative. Reading from John 7:52 to John 8:12 (skipping the debated section) makes perfect sense. Also, the vocabulary used in the story of the adulterous woman is different from what is found in the rest of the Gospel of John. For example, John never refers to “the scribes” anywhere in his book—except in John 8:3. There are thirteen other words in this short section that are found nowhere else in John’s Gospel.


The fact, however, remains that John 7:53—8:11 is not supported by the best manuscript evidence. Thus, there is serious doubt as to whether it should be included in the Bible. Many call for Bible publishers to remove these verses (along with Mark 16:9–20) "

Madam, you can't use DUBIOUS forgery of men @ John 8:7 to argue a matter that God's word commanded in the name of Jesus at
2 Thessalonians 3:6

You keep confusing yourself splitting hairs.
I keep directing you to the SPIRIT you claim to be following and you keep quoting words you yourself say could have been tampered with. If John whatever was inserted how do you know how accurate Sodom story was? You don't have to know all that if u r directed by the SPIRIT. Does the Spirit Jesus tally with destroying a city because they are sinners??
You don't have to read anything to know the answer.
Meditate on the artwork below:

[quote author=ospido post=101731681][/quote]achorladey, MaxInDHouse, Janosky
oaroloye

To the JW's still defending the evil called shunning:

What did Christ say to those about to stone the woman accused of adultery?? Yet He knew they could show him where it was written in the Scriptures.

See, the only difference between you and those you are judging and shunning is that you sin differently, or that you have not been caught. Imagine ostracizing a young girl to suicide because she fell in love with a non-JW! Does that make sense to you? Maybe her fiance would have become a JW observing how kindly JW treated his wife.

Here's that Christ's parable again. Try to read it with understanding. Note especially the bolded


22 Jesus answered, “I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times.[g](V)

23 “Therefore, the kingdom of heaven is like(W) a king who wanted to settle accounts(X) with his servants. 24 As he began the settlement, a man who owed him ten thousand bags of gold[h] was brought to him. 25 Since he was not able to pay,(Y) the master ordered that he and his wife and his children and all that he had be sold(Z) to repay the debt.

26 “At this the servant fell on his knees before him.(AA) ‘Be patient with me,’ he begged, ‘and I will pay back everything.’ 27 The servant’s master took pity on him, canceled the debt and let him go.

28 “But when that servant went out, he found one of his fellow servants who owed him a hundred silver coins.[i] He grabbed him and began to choke him. ‘Pay back what you owe me!’ he demanded.

29 “His fellow servant fell to his knees and begged him, ‘Be patient with me, and I will pay it back.’

30 “But he refused. Instead, he went off and had the man thrown into prison until he could pay the debt. 31 When the other servants saw what had happened, they were outraged and went and told their master everything that had happened.

32 “Then the master called the servant in. ‘You wicked servant,’ he said, ‘I canceled all that debt of yours because you begged me to. 33 Shouldn’t you have had mercy on your fellow servant just as I had on you?’ 34 In anger his master handed him over to the jailers to be tortured, until he should pay back all he owed.

35 “This is how my heavenly Father will treat each of you unless you forgive your brother or sister from your heart.”(AB)

judedwriter:
I don't think so too as well, but anything is possible.

Just one mistake, and Joshua can floor fury and win the match.

Besides fury has being too boastful... his overconfidence can be his Achilles heel.

He's just copying Ali as shown below

haddeylium:
I was hoping you would reply my first comment if truly you want the truth. yes! my guesses are right

I like the comparison you made.
How do they handle adultery and other sexual misconduct under mosaic law?
Under the Law of Moses the penalty for adultery was severe​—death for both guilty parties(De 22:22-24). That's the law code of the covenant Jehovah had with the Israelites. Here, Moses is the Mediator

For the New covenant with Jesus as the mediator. The penalty for unrepentant sinners (Like Adultery and other sexual misconduct) is disfellowshipping.
Listen to what Jesus the head of the church says;

Matthew 18
15 “If your brother sins, go and show him his fault in private; if he listens to you, you have won your brother. 16 “But if he does not listen to you, take one or two more with you, so that BY THE MOUTH OF TWO OR THREE WITNESSES EVERY FACT MAY BE CONFIRMED. 17 “If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector
Jews were forbidden by the Law of Moses from entering the home of a Gentile, and tax collectors were so disreputable that no Jew wanted to be seen with one
When Jesus says such person should be treated like Gentile. it means in simple terms 'Avoid him' which tallys with what his appointed apostles teaches too here

Stop keeping company and Such sinner be removed from among you. (1Corinthians 5:9–11)
don't take him into your home or even greet him(2 John 1:10–11)
I assured you, this is the most loving provision of reproving unrepentant sinners
So, what you think?

I don't want my answer to stretch on, I'll end it with this quotation
God is our authority. The Bible is the authoritative standard. So, we should never accept any reasoning that deviates from, changes, adds to, misinterprets, or distorts, God’s Word even when others thinks the Authorities of God's word is difficult or not easy to comprehend

Disfellowship is completely scriptural

(I am tagging everybody as this ought be the end of this discussion. I have never been a JW or close to them. From a distance I'd say they are not bad people and it is not a bad organization to belong to. At the same time they do have cult-like practices.)

The Christian thing to do is to keep loving the person, keep trying to understand what's blocking them and trying to help them till they themselves start avoiding you and the church. NOT shunning them to suicide. That is not of Christ

achorladey, MaxInDHouse, Janosky
ospido, oaroloye

See how you bend over backwards selectively quoting scriptures in effort to prove nonsense. Notice how u confuse yourself cherry picking scriptures. Notice how I just keep trying to direct your gaze to the SPIRIT instead of quoting scriptures.
See the rest of the very chapter you quoted below.
Lord Jesus Himself dined and stayed with tax collectors. St. Paul himself said he'd do same and also be with the weak in order to win them.
But you don't need any of this to know it is nonsense.
If you had the SPIRIT you'd just know.
THE SPIRIT YOU CLAIM TO FOLLOW DOES NOT TALLY WITH COMMUNALLY SHUNNING PEOPLE!
You have seen how it has led to so many suicides!
See screenshot below.

Here's the rest of what you selectively quoted:

21 Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, “Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother or sister who sins against me?(T) Up to seven times?”(U)

22 Jesus answered, “I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times.[g](V)

23 “Therefore, the kingdom of heaven is like(W) a king who wanted to settle accounts(X) with his servants. 24 As he began the settlement, a man who owed him ten thousand bags of gold[h] was brought to him. 25 Since he was not able to pay,(Y) the master ordered that he and his wife and his children and all that he had be sold(Z) to repay the debt.

26 “At this the servant fell on his knees before him.(AA) ‘Be patient with me,’ he begged, ‘and I will pay back everything.’ 27 The servant’s master took pity on him, canceled the debt and let him go.

28 “But when that servant went out, he found one of his fellow servants who owed him a hundred silver coins.[i] He grabbed him and began to choke him. ‘Pay back what you owe me!’ he demanded.

29 “His fellow servant fell to his knees and begged him, ‘Be patient with me, and I will pay it back.’

30 “But he refused. Instead, he went off and had the man thrown into prison until he could pay the debt. 31 When the other servants saw what had happened, they were outraged and went and told their master everything that had happened.

32 “Then the master called the servant in. ‘You wicked servant,’ he said, ‘I canceled all that debt of yours because you begged me to. 33 Shouldn’t you have had mercy on your fellow servant just as I had on you?’ 34 In anger his master handed him over to the jailers to be tortured, until he should pay back all he owed.

35 “This is how my heavenly Father will treat each of you unless you forgive your brother or sister from your heart.”(AB)

Janosky:
Madam, I'd like you to understand something.
Study 1 Corinthians 5:1-4?
What was the spirit and attitude of the Corinthian brothers towards the matter of the man sleeping with his Father's wife?
Everyone condoned the sinful lifestyle of that brother and were doing paddy paddy with him.
But Paul roused them to action. Verses 9-13.

Also examine 1 Corinthians 6:9-10.
Pay attention to verse 11:
"That is what some of you were (in verses 9-10 & 1 Corinthians 5:1-4), but now you have been washed clean" by their repentance & putting faith in the ransom sacrifice of Jesus, verse 11.

JWs render massive help to erring members to be readjusted , improve and correct their ways. 2 Corinthians 13:7,11 ,James5:14-16.

Disfellowship is the last resort for erring unrepentant members.

Notice how u confuse yourself cherry picking scriptures. Notice how I just keep trying to direct your gaze to the SPIRIT instead of quoting scriptures.
Lord Jesus Himself dined and stayed with tax collectors. St. Paul himself said he'd do same and also be with the weak in order to win them.
But you don't need any of this to know this:
THE SPIRIT YOU CLAIM TO FOLLOW DOES NOT TALLY WITH COMMUNALLY SHUNNING PEOPLE!
You have seen how it has led to so many suicides!
See below

MaxInDHouse:
Well the fact remains that he betrayed the trust of his master and the rest of the group, he couldn't cope with all these as he felt he has lost everything then he committed suicide!

Point of emphasis:
Vowed to remain with Jesus when many disciples deserted his master {John 6:62-68} just as some today vowed to live the rest of their lives as JWs.
Changed his mind when offered money to betray the trust of his master and fellow believers.
Lost everything after realizing that there is no group of persons that's ready to embrace him warmly like his group.
Felt it's all over and decided to end his life.

Please is there any difference between those committing suicide after betraying the global family of JWs?

If they're not Judas Iscariot's descendants what stops them from enjoying what they've been yearning for all this while?

They decided to say goodbye to the family so they can mingle with billions outside the group and practice what the family forbids. So why are they not happy afterwards?

Stop deceiving yourself Ma, they are the descendants of Judas Iscariot (the son of destruction)

Peter also denied Christ. No one was about to shun him. Shunning does not tally with the SPIRIT you claim to be following

Janosky:
2 Thessalonians 3:6 (compare 2 John 1:9-11).
"Now we command you brothers,In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, to KEEP AWAY from any brother who is idle and does not live according to the teaching you received from us".

Madam, according to this scripture, would Jesus followers shun Judas Iscariot?

Madam, going by your multiple claims on this thread, are you obeying Acts 5:29?

Christianity is not about obeying laws or tenets or words. It is about having/following a SPIRIT. That SPIRIT does not tally with shunning people to suicide

Janosky:
1 Corinthians 5:1-4,9-13, 2 John 1:9-11 &
2 Thessalonians 3:6 ,2 Timothy 3:16 is inspired of God and beneficial for reproving, discipline and correction.

Madam, Please continue to cherry pick what pleases you.
You're proven God's word is your shopping mall.

U r the one focused on words and I keep pointing you to the SPIRIT, something JW has lost sight of

Janosky:
1 Corinthians 5:1-4,9-13, 2 John 1:9-11 &
2 Thessalonians 3:6 ,2 Timothy 3:16 is inspired of God and beneficial for reproving, discipline and correction.

Madam, Please continue to cherry pick what pleases you.
You're proven God's word is your shopping mall.

U r the one focused on words and I keep pointing you to the SPIRIT, something that cannot be contained in.words

Janosky:
Madam, please stop typing GIBBERISH
Is Luke 21:20-24 & Matthew 24:15-22 giving the same word for word account of the same event?

We make an announcement from the platform that Mr so & so is no longer a member of the Christian congregation of Jehovah's witnesses.

The kingdom hall closest to my house, where I attend Bible study meetings , no name has been on the Notice Board for disfellowship. But announcements are made to inform the congregation.
I'm speaking about my experience.

If in the kingdom hall where Brother Max attends meetings, names where published that's ok.
The bottom line is: the congregation is informed.

Clear contradiction and u r shamelessly still debating it. This is one hall mark of a cult

haddeylium:
Is shunning unscriptural?

Is stonning an adulterous woman scriptural? Yes. Does it tally with the SPIRIT Jesus Christ ? No

But we Africans believe in juju and witchcraft not science. We have been flying for long with juju na

MaxInDHouse:
Founder of those that betray the truth and eventually commit suicide!

Wrong! JI committed suicide out of guilt not because he was shunned by anybody. Once again how does shunning tally with the SPIRIT you claim to be following?

MaxInDHouse:
I thought you asked for where Jesus was specifically preaching and where he was teaching!

So calm down ma!

You said Christ only preached to individuals but taught groups! Nothing we won't hear in this forum!

achorladey:
Perhaps making a case for those who commit suicide after being shunned since Judas too committed suicide. That is what he is trying to pass across.

What he forgot is Judas betrayed Jesus Christ while many leaving the religious organization he belongs do not and here is where he needs to respond.

Kind of knew that's what he was driving at. Still makes no sense. JI betrayed someone who got killed because of his betrayal. Guy was asked how shunning talies with the Spirit of Christ.

MaxInDHouse:
Judas Iscariot was their founder, Jesus gave him a label "Son of destruction" {John 17:12} so they're following his part Ma!

Meaning what? Whose founder? Hope u haven't completely lost your mind

MaxInDHouse:
That's English language for you, but the fact remains that WE MUST NOT TALK, GREET not EAT with anyone who decides to turn his/her back in what binds us together as ONE!

Please you can now use grammar to expatiate further!

You are selectively quoting because bobke also says tbis:

19Though I am free of obligation to anyone, I make myself a slave to everyone, to win as many as possible. 20To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), to win those under the law. 21To those without the law I became like one without the law (though I am not outside the law of God but am under the law of Christ), to win those without the law. 22To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all people so that by all possible means I might save some.

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus PREACHING!

From that time on, Jesus began PREACHING and saying: “Repent, for the Kingdom of the heavens has drawn near.” Matthew 4:17

Jesus TEACHING!

Then he opened his mouth and began TEACHING them, saying: 3 “Happy are those conscious of their spiritual need, since the Kingdom of the heavens belongs to them. 4 “Happy are those who mourn, since they will be comforted. 5 “Happy are the mild-tempered, since they will inherit the earth. 6 “Happy are those hungering and thirsting for righteousness, since they will be filled. 7 “Happy are the merciful, since they will be shown mercy. 8 “Happy are the pure in heart, since they will see God. 9 “Happy are the peacemakers, since they will be called sons of God. 10 “Happy are those who have been persecuted for righteousness’ sake, since the Kingdom of the heavens belongs to them. 11 “Happy are you when people reproach you and persecute you and lyingly say every sort of wicked thing against you for my sake. 12 Rejoice and be overjoyed, since your reward is great in the heavens, for in that way they persecuted the prophets prior to you.

Stop making a fool of yourself. When he was saying it was he saying it to an individual??

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus himself:

No man who has put his hand to a plow and looks at the things behind is well-suited for the Kingdom of God! Luke 9:62

Apostle Paul

Now I urge you, brothers, to keep your eye on those who create divisions and causes for stumbling contrary to the teaching that you have learned, and avoid them! Romans 16:17

Apostle John

If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your homes or say a greeting to him. For the one who says a greeting to him is a sharer in his wicked works! 2John 1:10-11

Self explanatory Ma!

You were asked a simple question and you keep selecting quoting. You are supposd to be following a Spirit whose hallmark is love. Does shunning tally with that Spirit? Does not bother you at all that so many people commit suicide??

MaxInDHouse:
It's excommunication that sounds strange to him, but it means exactly the same with disfellowship, ask him about disfellowship which is the common language used among JWs for unrepentant wrongdoers!

He said categorically that excommunication is quite different from disfellowship and infact went ahead to give examples why they are not even synonyms. You say the opposite. He also said JW crime are allpropaganda. You say they are humans

MaxInDHouse:
NO Ma!
PREACHING is introducing a new kind of faith to people. TEACHING is the practical application of the new found faith.
So both are different things!

You have finally totally confused yourself. So give examples where Christ was teaching compared to when he was preaching

MaxInDHouse:
Christianity has not been established by the time Jesus walked the earth, but after Pentecost whoever dedicated his/her life to serve Christ but turned back to return to what he/she has vowed never to practice again is not worthy of being called one of us! Romans 16:17; 2John 1:10-11

After Christianity has been fully established, whoever turn his/her back on the teachings binding the group together as one body under the spirit {John 17:29-23} Jesus himself said he will CONDEMN! Luke 9:62

We are not talking about people who never vowed before our God but those who have vowed to worship our God after learning all the tenets and saying "i do" is not fitting to be called one of us {Ecclesiastes 5:4} so it's those who were formerly part of us that must be shunned for turning their backs on us not just everyone, otherwise how are we going to preach if we shun everyone? 1Corinthians 5:12-13

See ignorance! You a re a follower of Christ - that's what being a Christian means. You are supposed to be following a Spirit not some law as you are trying to introduce. Think for a minute: does shunning tally with the Spirit of Christ?

MaxInDHouse:
If religionsts in Jesus' days called him a Satanist don't worry ma we are not expecting anything else from you! Matthew 10:22-25

What has this to do with you saying something is true right after the other JW said it's a lie?