₦airaland Forum

Chi59:
This is Nigeria not ancient Israel. The government in Jesus' days is it the same kind we use today in Nigeria?
Why don't you think before typing?
Nigeria is not a Christian state. The church has been feeding thousands, paying schoolfees. Doing so much. Providing jobs for many people. Didn't you read where the pastor mentioned that some workers even bought cars and houses through the payment they got? And the church still has thousands on its monthly payroll?
What's your problem?
You so much want to discredit the church that you don't even take your time to read what's written.
Let me ask you, how many people do you have on your payroll?
How has your life impacted Nigeria positively?

I guess the missionaries, with your phony unchristianly mindset, could have said exactly thesame thing to Nigerians? But guess what? They knew better and did better even when Nigeria was not ancient Isreal then. I guess now the quest of your black brand of Christianity is no longer in synch with that of early Christians and apostle because afterall Nigeria is not ancient Isreal like ancient Isreal had good government and apostles, as learned by Christ, elected to share contribution to the poor among rather than to use such contribution for personal acquisitions and whatever.

davidodiba:
These men of God should all die before you know they are into charities? If they show them on t.v, the same people will start quoting from scriptures they barely understand that these men ought not to show them. So what do you as individuals want? They built schools that you cannot afford and you keep complaining when your offering is not part of their churches' developments...

Am not asking them to show anything on tv. I see there private this and that not because they unnecessarily show it on TV. I see structures for the poor by missionaries all over they didn't show it on tv. If its part of the main focus of Church leaders to practically establish, as a matter of culture, a system or structures for giving back to the low in the society, and is done like the rest of the things they focus and glory in, it will be seen all around even when they don't show it off and it will make desired huge impact in the society like early Christians did by huge focus on charity/ humanitarian service.

davidodiba:
Ain't talking about standards here? On Fridays, can you have access to Islamic topics without accepting their creed? Yet because of the liberty found only in Christianity, you jump on anything Christian to poo on and get away with it....
Are you a member of these churches, no. Were you even in a church today? No. So what the heck is your contribution to a way of life you are not part of?

Well, am talking about standards and the church as it. If you call raising legitimate concerns pooing then you need to check your brain. Again Islam is not the standard so has nothing to do with concerns on how to make the church and Christianity truly effective in/to society. Btw, one can even agree to whatever islamic creed there is just to enter there and diss them. So bringing in Islam is an off point and failed attempt to deflect.

Chi59:
Thst church has been sending relief materials to IDP camps, in my little town, the church gave monies to those whose shops were burnt.
The glory dome provides job opportunities to thousands. They care for the less privileged. Pay schoolfees, house rent etc.
All through your life, how much have you contributed to the society?

I have contributed as much as I can. And the Church is the standard and focus here. Will they all faint if they do more of that free orphanages, subsidized handicapped care/schools, etc instead of private this and private that? Or dont you think the society needs much more of that in a bigger way? Cause I see none of that in my area only more and more Church buildings while the only school of blind etc around are the ones built by missionaries none by black churches.

davidodiba:
What you can't say on Islamic threads, you come to topics on Men of God to spew trash...when you cannot affect anything around you...

Islam is not the standard is it?

davidodiba:
That's what he needs ...the Word...

Did Jesus drop only the word? Did the apostle do just that without sharing contributions to the poor in societ? How about the missionaries when they came to Africa -only the word? Why must it all change with the black man?

Will they all faint if they do free orphanages, subsidized handicapped care/schools, etc instead of private this and private that?

Jiang:
Yeah right, which of these mega churches build health centers & schools free

Yeah we point out that they should do more of and focus/glory in that - Humanitarianism soo others and members of Church can practically see, learn, imbibe and when in power/leadership in the society, can replicate.

Church tax payment will just very very likely be looted as usual without the above.

Chi59:
Your anger is misplaced. Your leaders, which we elected have failed us. Go and blame them.
And I find it extremely silly for you to try to tell a person or an organisation what to do with their property?
You really sound bitter. You complain that there's nothing spectacular about the building. Why don't you build a mega factory with retractable roof or whatever.
Go, take several seats.

Where did Jesus and they early Church say that or express such orientation?

Chi59:
Hos has your living and occupation helped the society at large?

The church is the standard here. The thread is about the Church, it's focus and effect of its focus on society. Don't deflect into off points. Leave that orientation for worldly politicians and world people they are not the standard.

Chi59:
"The church members are not even under pressure. We did not at any point call for general offering for the project in the church. In fact, so many times, we forget to take the offering in church and members would have to remind the pastor that offering has not been taken––and this happened often while a major construction was ongoing. The truth is, we have a supernatural supply. We cannot point at any man that he’s the financier."
I'm a member. And it is true.

How does that help society at large as against the candid concerns being registered here?

Skankhunt42:
What I'm trying to say in summary is that... YOU NO GET SENSE.

Skankhunt42:
What I'm trying to say in summary is that... YOU NO GET SENSE.

No he has just that he needs more to have it complete.

tuoyoojo:
mbok, Dunamis Church can never fail.
if I am tithing and it is obviously not working, would I be crazy to continue. I Tithes I and I tell u the blessings I get from it is magnificent.

I came in to Dunamis is my legedis benz, but now am four wheeled, I know the number of people my life has been a blessing to by reason of my connection to this church.
pastor Paul would not ask you do something he is not doing

infact why am I even talking, come and listen to the undiluted word of God for just 3 months
if your life is not changed then I don't know what would change it

Nobody here prays or wish it fails soo thats off point. The issue is can the church do better to be more like Christ and the apostles and like missionaries? Has it arrived because it builds big buildings in a wretched society?

tuoyoojo:
mbok, Dunamis Church can never fail.
if I am tithing and it is obviously not working, would I be crazy to continue. I Tithes I and I tell u the blessings I get from it is magnificent.

I came in to Dunamis is my legedis benz, but now am four wheeled, I know the number of people my life has been a blessing to by reason of my connection to this church.
pastor Paul would not ask you do something he is not doing

infact why am I even talking, come and listen to the undiluted word of God for just 3 months
if your life is not changed then I don't know what would change it

Does this mean the church no more has room for improvement to better the society? Is quest for individual success at detriment or no improvement to society enough for people to follow church and play dumb, deaf and blind to areas with gaping holes where the Church can tremendously improve to improve society? Mind you most of us here are trying to be christ-like too and concerns (interpreted and misconstrued as criticism) are in good fate

Skankhunt42:
Lolz... My guy we have been completely brainwashed. I swear.

It's half copy. Copying "what" not "how" and "essence of why". It would have been funny if not pathetic.

tuoyoojo:
if the government has failed, that's the crux of the matter
if like you have an car that the engine knocked and u bought new sets of tires and u r complaining why the car is not driving

let the government do their part and if the church is lacking u can talk about it

if you flow Dunamis, you would know he vehemently critical of bad government policies of this government

he is one of the few fearless people left who is not afraid to address the government

I would strongly advise you to do a little research about Dunamis, research about how its orienting its followers and the charity its doing

Jesus never referred the hungry followers to government or even to their house but fed them.

What is the church leaders contributing ideologically practically to change that based on establishing a sense of infacies on social responsibilities rather than personal aggrandizements? Or you think the government then were ran by angels?

Skankhunt42:
Because the government as failed, the church should also fail too abi?.... After all the tithing you will continue paying 1m for school fees in your prestigious GOs university, while you keep using your leggedis Benz, and cueing at the hospital to receive treatment for yourself and your children meanwhile your GOs, pastors and his entire household keep Jetting out overseas for treatment and vacations... Clap for yourself brother Touyo.

Abi ooo. Sometimes i wonder which is supposed to be the standard and bring light - the church or the government? Church will be washing off their hands and referring people to government a terrible government at that. Jesus never referred the hungry followers to government or even to their house but fed them... Black Christians and their black sense.

Ebowo:
So where is your own project...? All of you criticising him should rather stop wasting time and get to work, you are a human, whom God made like him and you have a God-given assignment like him, he sacrificed, he disciplined himself and answered the call , and remained consistent, What about you ? Everyone must not pastor a church,their is a gift in every man that should not be left dormant, yours might be the gift of singing, writing, talking,cooking, counselling,teaching,hospitality, words of wisdom etc...come out of your comfort zone and pay the price then get result, stop criticising other people's result!

This is exactly the orientation why you can't hold politicians responsible too. After all don't criticize obvious deviation even based on biblical norms. Sheeple orientation.

tuoyoojo:
do u have an idea the number of businesses that folded up due to bad economic policies of government

what have u done as a Nigerian to fight against this injustice

if church is springing up more than banks . is it not an indication that ur government has failed

if with the billions of Naira this country makes, ask your govt where all the money dey go

Nobody is arguing government failure here. And there is groaning in the society for that to change. But the matter here is what is the church leaders contributing to change that based on establishing a sense of infancies on social responsibilities rather than personal aggrandizements. Because if the Church plays its role well to expose and sub-consciously foist this orientation on its members, there will be avalanche exuberance of care for others by politicians emulating and replicating such ideological concept as a matter of CULTURE

fahren:
We need more Churches and there is nothing wrong with having more Churches, if the huge resources from oil is not able to fix Nigeria, is it tithe and offering that will fix Nigeria?

Yes it can by Church leaders setting practical examples of huge sense of responsibility towards the downtrodden as a topmost cultural and mental priority for members to learn from which they can replicate when in leadership positions unlike now where the practical lesson from church leaders is yo preach to others but pursue personal property with peoples collection which is exactly what politician who partially or otherwise pass through the Church replicate because it's what they subconsciously learn from the practical doings of Church leaders.


What else did/do/can politicians learn practically from Church leaders to replicate?

tuoyoojo:
if don't know for other churches but I can tell u this church spends so much for charity, more than your greatest imagination.but they don't go around drumming it so as to get ur approval

if your govt would do just 50 percent of what our tax is being meant for. we would not be the poverty capital all the world

pls go to aso rock and and ask Mr corruption fighter what is happening

They don't need to drum it for people to see it. I can't see health centers, ophanages, schools (free), centers for learning for handicapped, homes for homeless widows fatherless built by Churches in my area or littered all over the place like real white missionaries did.

The apostles shared contributions to the poor not ask them to go hold their government for their woes.

If there is no accountability and huge sense of responsibility towards the downtrodden in the Church, where will members of the church who later enter or are in government learn such orientation from?

Jiang:
Some of you sheeples have a serious problem, I said over 50% of them, you even had time to bold that part but sadly couldnt comprehend shyt.

Churches & mosque must pay tax

Pay tax to who? Thesame government politicians looting away? Who tax payment epp if not politicians?


Better churches build health centers, ophanages, schools (free), centers for learning for disable etc.

Heavance:
Having the largest auditorium in the world, and attaining a legendary status as poverty capital of the world simply means we are not growing at all, and thousands of prayers won't make us grow.
This big church thing is now a competition, is that what we feel God wants?
We are still not doing better as a nation, even with all our thousand churches.
Churches are now out-numbering schools and banks together

Exactly even with oil money flowing everywhere, without huge dedication to charity (but much infancies on material acquisitions), by making it a culture like the apostles did, to encourage reduction in selfishness, a million and one more church won't make any social difference.

Heavance:
Having the largest auditorium in the world, and attaining a legendary status as poverty capital of the world simply means we are not growing at all, and thousands of prayers won't make us grow.
This big church thing is now a competition, is that what we feel God wants?
We are still not doing better as a nation, even with all our thousand churches.
Churches are now out-numbering schools and banks together

Even and soo the small ones inspire mainly to do/achieve these flashy materialistic things the big one do more than undertake massive social responsibilities and care for the poor which missionaries and apostles focused more on.

fahren:
I ended my post by asking what happened to everything the church handed over to Nigeria?

If Nigeria can't boast of any infrastructure, whose fault is it? The church or public office holders?

It's funny how we keep holding the church responsible for our woes while the people in custody of our collective wealths keep feeding fat and stealing what is ours,

The last time I checked, the church wasn't managing our collective resources,

Maybe I need to remind you that the first schools and hospitals Nigeria had including road and basic amenities were provided by the church

To the last line i ask, which church? Church by white man or by blacks?

When handing it over to government is wrong, what happened to running other massive social structures to uplift the poor and downtrodden as the apostles did? A million more of this church like the millions already in/across the nation will have no effect on society without such social responsibilities being massively practiced as culture and inculcated in members. Church leaders like the apostles have live charity, not just preach it and play it, as practical example as a culture for society to change.

Good to have a huge beautiful church, better if the title and plenty money gained from their is used to build big psychiatrics, school for the blind, deaf and dumb, homes for the fatherless and widows etc. Jesus and the apostles did lots of social responsibilities of sharing contributions than personal wealth gathering. How can the society be improved by christians without their leaders being Christ-like?

Toosure70:
Nobody but only ndigbo with their senseless hatred for other tribes.

Yeah the norths FH and BH are sharing the love to everyone else hence your love to asslick them and garnish it with Igbo hate.

A country where truth is hated soo much that truth Sayers are called haters can never progress no matter the oil money flowing.

AlhajaChinyere:
Abi o! Igbo presidency ko, igbo presidency ni!

Who will align with igbo?

In this same Nigeria?

Se Kalu don die?

Yeah always better to ass lick the lovely bringers and region of killer fulani herdsmen and bokoharam, saint Ganduje and Buhari. Never stop ass licking evil for ethnic reasons. Very wise until......

AnanseK:
Igbo Presidency will come - in another 50 years, if they change their hateful attitude that is.

Yeah but the north with their lovely attitude of Fulani herdsmen massacres and Bokoharam deserves another 50yrs of presidency. Blame your parents they raised a mor0n after their likeness.

kaeycea:
You mean, people should vote in again a failed government, a government that has failed every indices of good governance for a promise that they will come out tomorrow to deny they never made in the first place.

Was it not people voted in that same government when the warning that it we ill be like you described was sounded high and loud for same ethnic reasons?

I don't support voting in evil and incompetent shah so maybe the best is to boycott.

[quote author=lesbiconverter post=73254613]PDP perfected it [/quuote] and APC did what? What is the difference between PDP and APC?

Vejin:
welcome to the looting capital of the world, where a looter will recover looted money that has being looted by corrupt looters, only for the looted money to be re-looted again by the same looter who recovered the looted money...



this one will be distributed to the usual 5000 poor people or so... no wonder a former British prime minister once said we are fantastically corrupt!

Very funny in a sad way.