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I can not understand what is being criticized in this thread?
Jews circumcise their children.
The Islamists do cover the faces of women.
Christians wet their heads of their children and thus mark them for life.
A few of these religions consider them "more civilized" than the Africans.
Why not also criticize those things?
Will it be that the Islamic and European invasions to Africa have generated a sense of submission to these cultures?
The African is still a slave to his fears and his past?
This is due to contempt for all that is tradition in Africa?

Christianity and Islam: they are both foreign religions, inserted in Africa with fire and sword.

Kay 17: Jesus = God

The Father = God,

Then Jesus = The Father.

10!
Excellent!
But he knows no transitive property ....

buzugee: how the heck do you know who the jews are anyway ? arent you an atheist ? you dont believe in any deity. so naturally you should not have an opinion on who a jew is or not. see what you have is 'selective atheism'. you switch to theism when it suits you and revert back to atheism when it suits you. an atheist having an opinion on who the real jews are is akin to a virgin having an opinion on the shape of a womans coochieee. its impossible. your opinion is redundant on theist issues. kapishhhh amigos ?

Ay ay ay ay Buzugee ... you are still angry ... I imagine your face red and your clenched fist on the table ... Please calm down ...
You get nervous and start talking nonsense.
I'm not an atheist, Buzugee ... I never said it was.
But ... why you want to offend me? Why are you so mean to me?
Perhaps this is because I said that you admire the Jews despite it not?. That is true.
I said if you are circumcised ... but really that's not important ...
While you admire the Jews, I would like to be your friend.
Shalom!

buzugee: i guess you will have to hold onto your white jews while i hold onto my black jews. so do you live in africa ?

Buzugee, you keep me irascible. I do not understand what the reason.
You first referred to my bad English (we spoke in Italian? In Spanish? In Portuguese? Choose you), now you ask me if I am an African.
How important is the discussion if I am an African or Chinese?
It is you who is talking about Jews, South Americans, Africans, black and white ... not me.
You admire the Jews, not me.
Another observation: Why do you differentiates Jews in black and white? They are not all Jewish?
Is there a hint in his comments racist?
I do not think so, because (as I dijhe you from the start) I know you are an educated person and I cherish.
I hope you have understood my bad English.

flourishG: And where is your proof also that he was not born on dec 25? Since the bible is silent about that, we should also or just be silent on that also. Christ-mas is taken after Christ just as Christ-ian was taken after Christ. This is the point am trying to make.

It is absolutely proven that Jesus not born in December The description of the climate, events astronomical, etc.. prove it.
You present arguments, do not limit you to say that something is so because you would like it to be.
Instruct you, do not be so ignorant you do not repeat like a parrot stuttered the nonsense taught .

The birth date of Jesus Christ More Sharing ServicesActualmente, the most serious scholars and Bible scholars agree that Jesus was not born on December 25 as the Christian tradition tells us.

Why? It's simple.

For the shepherds had their flocks out in the field [1] which implies that this happened before October.

And also it should be realized that the reason for the pilgrimage of Joseph and his pregnant wife, Mary, was to be counted.

No self-respecting Roman administrator would have required a census that would involve traveling around Judea in the season when it was impassable. [2]

Who then decided that December 25 was the official birth date of Jesus?
The early Christians did not celebrate the birth of Jesus, in fact, only the wealthy and celebrated these dates, emperors, and therefore the exact date has not been preserved in the festivities of early Christianity.

The first recorded mention of December 25 is the Calendar of Philocalus (354 AD) who assumed that the fulfillment of Jesus was on Friday 25 December the first year of the Christian era.

December 25 was officially proclaimed by the church fathers in 440 AD as a syncretism between the religion of the Roman Empire and then the tradition of the holiday of Saturnalia, which was observed near the winter solstice, which was one of the many pagan traditions inherited from the Babylonian priesthood. [3]

So when exactly when Jesus was born? Although the Bible does not specifically identify the date of birth of our Lord, many scholars have developed different opinions about which is the most likely date of the birth of Jesus.

The Year of the Birth of Jesus
On the other hand, the year Jesus was born is widely accepted as valid in the year 4 BC, due to erroneous conclusions derived from Josephus gave dating a supposed eclipse took place in March 13 BC. "Shortly before Herod's death." There are several problems with this claim further that in all probability this eclipse took place on December 29, 1 BC.

This is a considerable lapse of time between the birth of Jesus and Herod's death, since the family fled to Egypt to escape the edict of Herod and did not return until after his death. [4] What is more, Herod died in January 14 BC. [5]

Fact: Tertullian (born about 160 AD) stated that Augustus began to rule 41 years before the birth of Jesus, who died 15 years after that event. [6]

Augustus died on August 19, 14 AD, reaching then the birth of Jesus in 2 BC. [7]

Fact: Tertullian also notes that Jesus was born 28 years after the death of Cleopatra in 30 BC, which coincides with the date of 2 BC.

Fact: Irenaeus, born about a century after Jesus, also notes that the Lord was born in 41 of the reign of Augustus. Since Augustus began his reign in the autumn of 43 BC, this also supports the 2 BC date of the birth of Jesus.

Fact: Eusebius (264-340 AD), the "Father of Church History", describes in the 24th year of the reign of Augustus and 28 from the subjection of Egypt on the death of Antony and Cleopatra. [8]

To understand this, we note that the year 42 of the reign of Augustus begins to run from the autumn of 2 BC to the autumn of 1 BC. The subjugation of Egypt by the Roman Empire occurred in the autumn of AD 30. So if the 28th year runs from autumn to autumn of year 3, 2 BC, the only date that would suit this would be the autumn of 2 BC.

John the Baptist
Fact: Another way to determine the birth date of Jesus is to obtain information about John the Baptist. Elizabeth, the mother of John, was a cousin of Mary and the wife of a priest named Zechariah, who was of the "class" of Abijah. [9] (The priests were divided into 24 classes [10] and each course, officiated in the Temple for a week, from Sabbath to Sabbath Saturday.)

When the Temple was destroyed by Titus on August 5, AD 70, the first class of priests had just begun their service. [11]

Since the course of Abijah was the 8th, we can trace back and determine that Zacharias ended his service on 13, 3 BC Juio.

If the birth of John took place 280 days later, must have happened between 19 to April 20, 2 BC, precisely for the Passover of that year. The birth of John and Jesus were separated by 5 months. Therefore, we again have resulted in the fall of the year 2 AD as the probable date of birth of the Divine Master.

Fact: John began his ministry the year 15 of Tiberius Caesar. [12] The minimum age for a ministry that was 30 years. [13] As Augustus died on August 19, 14 AD, then we can assert that this year was for Tiberius.

If John was born on 19 or April 20, 2 BC, his thirtieth birthday would have been 19 or April 20, AD 29, ie the 15th year of Tiberius. This seems to confirm for himself, the date of 2 BC and as John was greater than Jesus for 5 months, this also confirms the autumn as the time of birth of the latter.

The Jesus that John submit to repeatedly as the "Lamb of God" [14] is interesting because John was born at Passover.

The exact date
CONCLUSION: Elizabeth hid herself for five months and then the Angel Gabriel announced to Mary both Elizabeth's condition and that Mary would give birth to a son called Jesus. Mary went "with haste" to visit Elizabeth, who was then in the first week of her 6th month of pregnancy, in the 4th week of December, 3 BC. If Jesus was born 280 days later, this places his birth on September 29, 2 BC

Notes:

1.Lucas 2:8.
2.Mateo 24:20.
3.Alexander Hislop, The Two Babylons, Loizeaux, Neptune NJ, 1916.
4.Mateo 2:15, 19-22.
5.Magillath Ta'anith, an ancient scroll contemporary Jewish Jesus
6.Tert. vs. Jews, c.8.
There 7.No year 0 between B.C. and D.C.
8.Ecle. Hist., I.5. 9.
9.Lucas 1:5, 8-13, 23-24.
10.1 Chronicles 24:7-19.
11.Tanto the Talmud and Josephus confirm this.
12.Lucas 3:1.
13.Números 4:3.
14.Juan 1:29, 36.

Source: http://es.144000.net/articulos/la_fecha_de_nacimiento_de_jesus_el_cristo.htm

coolruler: December 25th is not the birthday of Jesus. The Bible certainly did not say so, and research has definitely disproved it.
So, if Jesus was not born on Dec 25th, who then are we celebrating and what other lies have we believed?

Very good comment.
There is evidence that Jesus was not born on December 25.
Catholicism set that date just to dull the pagan worship was being held.
I do not think any Christian opine on this thread, because absolutely everyone knows this is false, as false as 99.99% of the foundations of Christianity.

Search in the Old Testament the word "trinity"

I can be wrong, but I understand that originally the Igbo language (like the Yoruba) had no writing. The traditions were transmitted orally, and that obviously makes access to historical material. As far as I've been researching, writing many African languages ​​began with the arrival of the first evangelists (I do not know if this was for better or for worse).
I'm right?

@NRI PRIEST:
I have a screen.

The pity of it all is that Jesus was an ordinary man, with flaws and virtues of any man ....
They have invented an image of Jesus blond, blue-eyed, the chaste, poor, living preaching all the time ... It was really so?
I think those stories should enrage Jesus ...
But ... everyone to live their fantasy ...

It is very difficult to reach an agreement, when two parties are polarized. I believe that in all walks of life and all beliefs are people educated and poorly educated, honest and dishonest, fanatical and rational.
I do not think all Muslims or all Christians or all traditionalists are bad or good ...
To believe in one thing or another does not make us better than others.
The truth does not have one who kills the other ...
Sometimes it is difficult to understand how someone who defends a religion advocates attacking the other, or degrading.
I do not think there is a religion that is the only one who accepts God. That sounds very arrogant.

Jean Macqou: It is not horrible. The violence makes it exciting, and it is a vary difficult competitive sport. You get to watch players get ran over and knocked out on the field. You can also see the Qaurterback making beautiful passes.

Football has a lot of strategy, and plays to remember, so unintelligent people won't appreciate it. I played football before, as a Defensive End, and the fun part is the violent nature of the game. Football is not for wimps. If someone isn't manly enough, they should play soccer.

Here we play football too, but does not have many followers. Uruguay is a country of a great tradition "futbolera" (soccer).
I played professionally in the first division (many years). I did as a center forward ...
But with respect to the choice, choose a sport is similar to choosing a woman right? Not everyone has the same tastes!
Best regards!

If every time you mention the name "Satan" you pay $0.01, you no longer have money even for food to eat.
Who loves you? At God or Satan?,
Why you name he and calls he?
That is some form of secret worship Satan?

ProPastorChris: @ OP

did you say if Jesus was rich?
dude, he was, is and will ever be rich. he got everything he needed and all at the time he needed them, what better meaning is it to be rich?

Jesus used the Word to produce everything he wanted and many more that cash could not provide.

Mhhh something like a pastor today ...
They use the word art to enrich themselves easily and effortlessly ...

Jean Macqou: by football, you mean Fútbol (soccer) right?
Not American Football

Si, en español fútbol...
The american footbal is horrible

buzugee: listen i cant even understand what you are typing. learn to speak english first before typing it. your post is disjointed and all over the place. i digress though, those fake jews wish they are the real jews. thats why they stole our identity. everything that is hidden will come to light and you will remember this post when that happens. the lord will make you remember this conversation we had about the real jews being black.
you may have met some white butt kissers in africa but i can assure you that i am not one of them.

I do not speak English. I just use a dictionary.
Sorry if you did not understand what I said.
I do not speak English but I speak 5 languages. If you understand it better, we can talk in another language and understand well. I did not send him to learn Spanish, or Italian, or French or Catalan or Portuguese.
I'm glad you are not one of the worshipers of the whites, there are many in Africa. There are also many people who embraced foreign religions, people forgot about the identity and who criticize those who defend them.
The Jews are white, at least 99.9%
I hope that now I have understood.
My respects.

Definitely, they are all frauds who survive collecting the tithe, and it can do anything ..
They do not like to work as normal ... anyone prefer housing in lies in the name of Christ to till the ground ...
Woe to those who fall into the hands of such rascals!

I agree with the folks who wrote before.
The consequences?
1. Have peace of mind that you are not stealing scoundrel.
2. God is proud of you because you do not pay something he did not ask.
3. You are not giving away the money with so much sacrifice for your parents send you to study.
4. The wretched of the pastor will not have your money
5. If many do like you, all living pastoresladrones the tithe should go to work and stop stealing.

That is ... those are some of the consequences ... all positive.
Be happy!

valen la bella: It's obvious you need professional help...I'm entitled to my own opinion just like everyone else is and if you don't like it: PISS OFF AND SHUT THE HELL UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It is possible
But what I have not the slightest doubt that you, besides being a rude and an ordinary, has a mental problem.
Were you born of a cabbage? You did not have parents to teach education?
Your nick is beautiful ... mostly for a man ...

buzugee: dude, chill. nobody is angry with you. i said people in central and south america worship white people. thats the truth. am i lying ? the white man is your god. am i lying ? if i watch your tv, all the indigenous people do not appear on tv. they only put white looking people on your tv. am i lying ? and as such i expect you to think white people are the best thing since slice bread and are the real jews. thats all i was saying. if you got offended, i apologize. the african tone of speech may sound aggressive to the uninitiated

Let's see:
I do not think there is difference in the views of South America and Africa over the white man.
Here are a few blacks and Indians less. It is true that on TV are 90% white, and it is true that we have a white majority. But honestly, as to worship the white man, I see no difference in Africa. Dear friend ... ignore their roots in Africa, their ancestral traditions ... What are you calling me from South America? But it is more ... the issue is not South America or Africa ... You brought up the subject of the Jews ... that is what we are speaking not of white that is in Uruguay or the lack of identity a high percentage of Africans.
You have the right to admire the Jews, I do not criticize that.

I simply do not share that are as good, much less that their blood is a majority in all the world ...

A big hug.

buzugee: You know what your problem is ? you are a product of euro-brainwashing. heck, in central america you lot still bow down to a white jesus. heck in brazil there is a giant sized statute of a white jesus that you all bow down to. well here is what the bible says about your percieved jewISH people

revelations 2 vs 9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

revelations 3 vs 9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

and here is what happened to the real jews . jeremish 17 vs 4[b] And thou, even thyself, shalt discontinue from thine heritage that I gave thee; and I will cause thee to serve thine enemies in the land which thou knowest not: for ye have kindled a fire in mine anger, which shall burn for ever.[/b] ( they got discontinued from their heritage as jews )

and this is the person who stole their heritage in the middle of the act of stealing the jewish heritage 1 MACCABEES 3 VS 48 48 And laid open the book of the law, wherein the heathen had sought to paint the likeness of their images.

those people you call jews are turkish mongol converts to judaism in 740 AD

Buzugee; You know that I treasure.
I do not I have to agree with you on each exposure. I am very sorry that you've offended and angry that I left out your wrong analysis ern you're supposed to all Israelites. I have a clear that in fact you are not Jewish, but you would really like to be.
I have not offended at all with his derogatory comments and aggressive towards me. In my country we do not use euros ...
I urge you to read a book of geography, because Uruguay is in South America, NOT IN CENTRAL AMERICA.
Also read something about geography ... good for you.
Buzugee, I talked about black pharaohs of Egypt, NOT TURKS.
Egypt is one thing, Turkey is another thing ...
See... http://tigrepelvar5./2008/03/21/el-misterio-de-los-faraones-negros/
Do not be angry with me, I do not consider myself his enemy, however.
A hug!

Jews mutilate boys cutting a piece of his pen.is ...
Nobody criticizes that?
He criticizes the traditional religions of animal sacrifices, the Jews do it too, but nobody criticizes the Jews.

Doublespeak! blindness! stupid!

frosbel: Much of the preaching predominantly found in fundamentalism is nothing more than entertainment these days in my opinion. Of course fundamentalism hasn’t cornered the market on the kind of preaching I’m talking about; it can be found in many other circles too. I’m talking about the kind of preaching that is defined by screaming stomping tirades, where the “preacher” tears down every kind of sin and sinner that the audience has already separated themselves from; preaching against abortion to a Wednesday night crowd; preaching against immodest dress standards to men and women who are not dressed immodestly. Why would a preacher feel led to preach in this manner? Why preach to the choir?

It seems to me that these particular preachers have lost the vision of what the preacher’s role in the Church is. They seem to think they are some sort of ‘rock star’, and the end of their preaching is to appease the fans… to entertain…Now, I certainly understand the need for certain sins to be called out in a Church by the Pastor of that Church… but that’s not what I’m talking about. I’m talking about the overall shallowness of preaching in some circles (especially fundamentalist circles) where sermons are designed to be entertaining instead of truly edifying to the children of God. We’ve all seem the young, immature, inexperienced preacher get up in front of a Sunday night crowd and preach against rape, murder, drunkeness and homosexuality; and we seem to chalk up the shallowness of the content to inexperience. But what causes a young preacher to think this is acceptable? Could it be that this is what he is aspiring to be? Could it be that the young preacher is trying to be entertaining because that’s what he has seen by the “big shot” preachers and evangelists? It seems to me, if entertainment is the primary goal of the preacher, then there is a much deeper problem than just shallow teaching on the part of the preachers, or simplicity on the part of the congregation.

The definition of a Charlatan is: “One who attracts customers with tricks or jokes”… or, “a person practicing quackery or some similar confidence trick in order to obtain money, fame“. Now, if a so-called “preacher” is entertaining Church members for the purpose of benefiting himself either financially or for approval, then that person, by definition is a ‘charlatan’ because they have either intentionally or unintentionally set aside the intended purpose of preaching, to use the pulpit for selfish reasons.

If you have been around preaching for very long, you have no doubt encountered some kind of charlatan. Charlatan preachers can be found everywhere, even on TBN (gasp). As serious as this problem is, it is nothing new… charlatans have been around since the fall of man, and they will continue to pervert the pulpit as long as man is allowed to continue on Earth. But the more serious problem is that there has always been “congregations” to listen to charlatans. Some “Christians” can’t seem to get enough of them. At a meeting I recently attended where a popular preacher named Tony Hutson was preaching, I was absolutely appalled after the (over an hour) of shallow entertainment based on one single obscure verse. There was nothing edifying about that sermon… it was simply entertainment. But when I was outside the Church building with my family apologizing to my children for taking them to that meeting, a friend of mine came to me and said “brother John, wasn’t that a tremendous message”? I was speechless. And to be honest with you all… I am still astonished that God’s children can be so gullible.

Can a child of God really be so easily duped by a guy with a loud voice and confident aire? Or could the problem be that Christians have become so accustomed to shallow preaching that they don’t expect anything more? Are these Chrisians even capable of hearing the ‘meat’ of the word of God? I would really like to read your comments on this.

Source

That kind of preaching has a reason. It is no coincidence ...
They use the regime of terror. For that, the figure of Satan is unbeatable. Everything bad is because of Satan (that eliminates any possibility of self-criticism and thus of reasoning).
They try to minimize the capacity for analysis of the faithful, making speech obedient automatons.
They genran irrational fanatics, capturing new fans, which in turn will increase the "cattle" owned by the pastor.
Repression also plays a role. When you say that criticizing the clothes deemed immoral, abortion ... keep sexual RELATIONS ... is criticized and banned until the thoughts ... it is impossible not to sin, and he who sins is because it is weak against the devil.
In such a situation, the pastor is essential ...
The dependence of the shepherd-believer link is getting stronger ...
The believer is permeable, and thus will be very easy for the pastor to make a financial gain, making the believer in his slave.
Repression + Fear = dependence .
Good deal ...

Jenwitemi: Lol @ oral.sex. Did she agree to give it?

Exactly.
The woman in the story did not want her husband has knowledge that could not pay, and finally agreed to perform oral se.x pastor. But that act did not prevent the arrival of her husband ought to pay ... The pastor said that was simply as punishment for not paying on the date indicated. That type of situation is common primarily when a woman loses her job, I refer to Pastor requires payment in the "spices".

Why write so much?
This simply is the result of a lack of identity and analytical sense. It's painful to forget that many Africans are Africans, and find its origin in the most unlikely.
It is tragicomic as invent things, and then try to hold are changed and biblical passages out of context ...
A very high price.
Someone asked what the Jews think of that?
I have no doubt that the Jews would laugh until the cows, and say that this statement is insane ...

buzugee: israelites have been dispersed to the four corners of the earth including china, india, europe, south america etc etc. all over. the seed of the father is the determining factor though. all throughout the israelite captivity all over the world, they slept with the local women and mixed their seeds. there are lots of white looking irish people who are actually israelites as well as sicilians as well as most south americans because of the olmecs. see, as you are from uruguay, there is a very high percentage that you are an israelite because the black slaves mingled with the spanish and taino and other tribes to form the people in that region today. and so long as the blacks who slept with the others are men, then you will be an israelite because the seed of the man determines biblical nationality. for example. lenny kravitz and bob marley are white men. their dads are white. alicia keyes and maria scarey are black israelites. their dads are black

I understand that you want to be Jewish and can not be. That must be very frustrating ... It is a fact that in Egypt there were the "black pharaohs" approximately in 750 BC. It is also true that many historians speak of a possible exodus from Egypt, to coincide with the appearance of Oduduwa (I do not claim this, simply quote). But you want to go far, you are very ambitious when he says that Jews are dissem, inaron worldwide, with such power that mixed with all people ... You know the Orthodox Jew is highly selective for a family.
I also regret his great misinformation about what happened in South America and especially in Uruguay (not right to review things we do not know).
In the early twentieth century, the first Jews who arrived in Uruguay were mainly women, led to the establishment of brothels in the port area, where Jewish women engaged in prosti.tution at a very low price. The presence of Jewish men was practically nil.
The second wave of Jews who come to Uruguay (and South America) occurs at the end of World War II, when Jewish families came to America to escape the Nazis, and seeking a safe place to keep their fortunes threatened in Europe.
It is impossible for me to have a single drop of Jewish blood ...
I have African blood maternally and indigenous (Uruguayan) and (without rejecting Judaism) muyt'm proud of it.
You, dear friend, is Jewish? Has Jewish blood? Your momma is / was Jewish? Are you circumcised? I guess if ... because you really admire them.
...
But one thing is BE, and another wants to be.
Please accept my compliments.

Saul (Paul) was a fiery persecutor and murderer of Christians.
He never met Jesus ... and although his comments contained in the Bible describing the body of Jesus, citing cities, and anecdotes, they are completely discussed. Nothing more Alejos of reality that the figure of Jesus that Paul desribe! And even Paul falls into serious contradictions about how women should go to a temple, the long hair in men, and so on. etc.
This is another great biblical delusions that "parrots of the moment" without analyzing repeated.

It is hilarious as some Christians speak of Trinity, and associate it with the doctrine of Jesus.
Jesus never spoke of Trinity, nor the Old Testament.
The Trinity becomes accepted by the catholic church at the Council of Nicaea ... 325 years after the death of Jesus. I repeat .. 325 AFTER THE DEATH OF JESUS!
At this council, the bishops decided that Jesus was the son of God but also God ...
It's really ridiculous to cite biblical passages, when the "trilogy" was accepted after huge debates hundred years after the death of Jesus ...
I do not understand why some people move their fingers faster than their neurons!
When exposed articles like this actually produces laughter!

A Jew can not be circumcised (you can even cut your penis if you want), but will remain non-Jew.
The Bible clearly says is "the god of the Jews", not the Gentiles. Circumcised, then, does not change anything.

In another thread I read the review that was made to tribal marks in Africa ... Has anyone stopped to think that the cirsunsiciòn (as excellently said Jenwitemi) is a female?
Savagery!
But they claim to be civilized and backward filthy practices.