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obadiah777: ITS GOING TO TAKE NOTHING SHORT OF A WAR TO ELIMINATE ALL YOU DEMONIC AND ATHEIST CONTROLLERS OF THE WORLD. THE BATTLE OF ARMAGGEDON. IT IS A NECESSARY EVIL. WITHOUT WAR THERE CANT BE ULTIMATE PEACE. YOU DEMONS HAVE YOUR CLAWS SO DEEP IN THIS WORLD THAT IT WILL ONLY TAKE A WAR TO UNCLASP YOUR FINGERS FROM ITS DEADLY GRIP ON THE WORLD. THE REAL CONTROLLERS OF THIS WORLD SYSTEM ? THE ROCKEFELLERS, OPENHEIMERS, DUPONTS, GETTY, ETC ETC ? ? ? ALL ATHEISTS

Mhhh ...
Is it a sin to have an atheist president?
Declare war on someone for having a president Urugay atheist?
You believe that the president of Uruguay is a person of power?
You suffer from bigotry, ignorance and lack of humility.

I am not an atheist, but I voted Mujica.
A Mujica Catholics voted for him, atheists, Christians, Buddhists ... Mujica was elected by his virtues, not for their religious beliefs.
You mix politics with religion.
You're a fanatic

my respects

Go!
The Uruguayans are news, not just for football ... (Lol)
José Mujica was a guerrilla. He belonged to a famous guerrilla group called "Tupamaros" which appeared in the late '60s and '70s.
José Mujica spent 12 years imprisoned by the military dictatorship of the time, and today is the president of the republic.
The "Broad Front", a coalition of leftist parties, Mujica achieved with a second term of government in 2010.
José Mujica lives on a small farm, producing flowers, and his life is exactly as explained at the beginning of the thread.
After this second period inzquierda government, the country has made great progress economically, almost can be said that there is no corruption (very serious problem in countries such as Argentina).
And if, indeed, Mujica is an atheist ...
I'm under the orders to report, what the brothers want to know about this topic.

Thank you for the beautiful thread, dear friend MacDaddy01

m.k.o2005:
@Mac,I know you know that that you love Jesus in ur heart of hearts ! But please don't allow the devil to steal what you have for your maker. It is well with you.I specifically seek the grace of God to come upon you so you can ask him for forgiveness and and be reconciled with HIM. gOD BLESS YOU my beloved.
Shalom

My religion is not a Satan ...

But if I have to choose between your god, slavery and inhuman ;_, and Satan himself, I do not doubt for a moment!

I prefer to Satan!

Now, go to sacrifice a lamb to cleanse your sins!

OLAADEGBU: I must apologise for blaming it on your limited English, there are many on this thread, even some who claim to have doctorate degrees, didn't get the point either.

You do not have to apologize to me.
You do not speak Spanish, and that does not make it any less intelligent.
I am discussing something with you, but not disqualified person.
I reiterate ; I am not interested in U.S. politics.
My respects.

MyJoe: I think he is sincere about his religion and is, therefore, not a false Christian in a sense, although one can see that his approach to this matter is similar to his approach to religion.

Olaadegbu's hatred for Mr. Obama and anything Obama is automatic, blind and unthinking. I recall asking him awhile back what is wrong with a plan to extend healthcare to the poor, but no reply was forthcoming. Because he really has no problem with that. The problem is Obama does not punctuate statements with Bible text or call for "morning devotion" like Nigerian leaders do, has what is said to be a Moslem name, and things along those lines. Oladeegbu even has facts that he prevented people from saying Christian prayers and gave 911 ground zero to Moslems to build a mosque. Hence, there goes the anti-Christ! You try to set him straight on his twisted facts and you soon get tired. How do you begin to address "Obamacare chip", for instance? *Sigh*.

Mr Adegbu has campaigned relentlessly against the man's second term for about three years. Now it's clear the man will get re-elected come November, I guess one can understand the mounting frustration at the fact his efforts have not paid off, resulting in increasing willingness to grasp at conspiracy theories and purvey them. You win some, you lose some, Ola.

**Edited**

Dear friend:

Olaa not going to do serious analysis, he is doing just political propaganda.

I have already explained, that in a forum of religion do not correspond political propaganda.
But actually, as you say, Olaa is angry with Obama ...
I think Romney promised Olaa not deport to Nigeria , where the Mormon be President, right! .
My respects.

okeyxyz: Olaa has simply demonstrated that his spiritual convictions are important to him and he would vote on that basis,

You are not understanding.
You did not read the thread.
Olaa is Christian, not Christian Ronmey, is Mormon.
What are the "spiritual convictions" that motivate Olaa?
No spiritual reasons.
Olaa reneges on Obama, and vote for a non-Christian.
It is not a religious issue, it is a political issue.
First read, then think, and then write.
Thank you.

m.k.o2005:
Jesus Christ created all those things

I can not stop laughing ...
You are in your right mind?
That's the biggest nonsense I've heard in my life!

You should be in Guiness
Shalom ...

okeyxyz: Just curious: Is it Obama's christian faith that made him endorse gay marriage or it was just the reality of his political constituency?

Obama or whoever. You think someone will change that?
Gay marriage and adoption of children by gays Obama is not responsible for, and no one will change that ... Even the Mormon will not change that.
Come the law in favor of abortion and will soon ... so if the president is the Mormon.
I have no interest in American politics.
I believe that America is a nation vile, wicked and cruel ...
I am speaking on the thread just because I do not like that Olaa make political propaganda in a religious forum.
My respects.

Ubenedictus: 1. Jesus also never said the word "bible" it was written after he died, that doesnt mean that the bible isnt part of christianity, ur arguement is bogus.

2. the first record of trinity isnt nicea, tertullian already did many years before nicea. The first mention of bible was even after d trinity was mentioned, when d name was first recorded isnt an arguement, the arguement is whether of not the apostles taught that d fada is God the son is God and d holy spirit is God and that God is one. That is the arguement. Ur post above doesnt even touch it.

1. You should know that the biblical stories predate Jesus
Jesus was Jewish, was not Catholic. Neither Jesus established the Catholic Church ... I think you're not understanding the thread.

2. No. You should study the issue and then comment.
At the Council of Nicea

Result of the debate

The Council declared that the Son was true God, co-eternal with the Father and begotten from His same substance, arguing that such a doctrine best codified the Scriptural presentation of the Son as well as traditional Christian belief about him handed down from the Apostles. Under Constantine's influence,[38] this belief was expressed by the bishops in the Nicene Statement, which would form the basis of what has since been known as the Nicene Creed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea


Excuse me, but is positive read review before.

My respects.

There are many contradictions in Christian worship.
"If you suffer you will go to heaven" ... It is the cult of frustration, the cult of mediocrity.
If you are sick beggar and go to heaven ...
Not surprisingly, just a crucifix, with the dying Jesus is the emblem of the Christian ...
Not surprisingly, the death of Jesus (succeeded in undignified conditions for a god) is sung with joy ...
The joyful singing summon persons, regardless of the content of the song ... That must be evaluated.
My respects.

[quote author=pheesayor][/quote]Friend
I understand what you say, and you are quite right.
Would only tell that in Western reality, children as young as three years yell at their parents beat them, they choose what they want to eat and otherwise scream and break things.
The "do not contradict the children, they can suffer psychological damage" is something that will do great harm to society.
Possibly are extreme, and all extremes are bad.
My respects.

Culture and religion are inseparable.
Africa is the proof.
Were imposed foreign gods, and the gods (in turn) imposed the existing cultures ....
Today, attends the African masquerades and festivals. But with Western or Arab concept imposed on them.

odumchi: I understand where you're coming from. Colonialism has forced many people into thinking that anything indigenous is contrary to the beliefs of Christianity and is therefore wrong.

Personally, I believe that the same God that my ancestors worshiped (Chukwu/Obasi) is the same God that exists in Christianity; the only difference is the name. When people pour libations to Chukwu, they are worshipping the same God as thee Bishop of Canterbury; the only difference is the method.

Hello dear friend!
A few months ago, I felt the same way in a thread.
I totally agree with you.
I'm convinced that the only difference is the way to worship God ...
I have observed that Christians speak and ask God directly ... I understand that a god is very immense ... do not think any human being has the right to talk to him ...
But are interpretations, and everyone is his own opinion.
A warm greeting dear friend!

Hello Ube ...
"Jesus is God, but Jesus is not God."
"That should not be read literally, is a parable"
Are typical expressions of Christianity.
It is not my intention to offend, but Christianity is not a doctrine.
Jesus never spoke of trinity.
The first record on the Trinity, was at the Council of Nicaea in 325 AFTER DEATH OF JESUS​​.
I think that explains everything.
My respects.

Wow ...
Nakash begin the Islamic revolution!
Following this post, Iran has closed its border ..... and the Pentagon is on alert ...

Divorce among Christians?
Share experiences? mhhhhh
Mhhhh that seems sinful.

These issues should only speak with the pastor.
If you are going through a time of excitement, you must control yourself.
Not only have sex is sin is sin also think lustfully.

Callotti: I decided a long time ago.
I am still HERE!

Curiosity ....
And that's what you decided?
You also decide to go to paradise repent?
Or continue sinning to enjoy lust in hell?

I decided on the latter ... I'm allergic to feathers of angels! and say that God plays the harp very badly!
My greetings!

Evil Brain: If they shared the same lineage, then they were related. Especially since both Matthew and Luke trace Joseph's lineage through his father.
.

If we speak of lineage; descent ....
What connection has Joseph with Jesus?
Joseph is not the father of Jesus ... Joseph is not the biological father and therefore is not for talking about Joseph's family.
I mentioned looks like a sick joke ... something particularly humiliating for Jesus and for Joseph ...
I can not believe what I'm reading!
My respects!

Why Jesus could not be a woman? ... A wife?
Why Jesus could not have been a normal man?
I marvel who intend to present an image of Jesus, which is practically homosexua1, always surrounded by men ....
I do not believe that Jesus ...

OLAADEGBU: I'm not eligible to vote for the POTUS, whatabout you.

You are not eligible, you are elector ... or they will not let him vote in USA? You are not a U.S. citizen?. If not, why think about foreign policy?
Let's be honest ... Olaa ... say you will vote for the non-Christian ... for that Mormon ...
I have contacts in the Pentagon, and this type of comments you make, leave Obama in a bad mood ...
Obama is considering expelling undocumented ...
Well ... if ustes have any problems with that, talk to me.
I have friends in the Pentagon.

My respects.

In short, Abraham and David did not have problems with clothes ...
They were naked all day with his concubines, while their wives cooked ...
My respects.

Mmmmhh
"Decide and decide quickly"
It seems like a good idea ...
I do not think you approach the end of the world ...
I think we are approaching the end of times of immoral pastors ; the false prophets and foreign false gods..
my respects

Catholicism was born usurping dates, books and pagan symbols ...
Christianity was born usurping books, false dates and Catholic symbols ...
Perhaps there is someone who still believes that Jesus was born on December 25?
It's all a farce.
My respects.

OLAADEGBU: Obama is probably going to win a second term but then true Christians would have to watch out and know that the coming of the Lord is at hand. Those left behind should not take that Obamacare chip if they are to go in the last chance salon.

But ... why do not you answer?
You'll vote for the Mormon?
Yes or no?
Do not run to the answer!

m.k.o2005:
God said we should throw it away or put it side by side with the devilish practice of our ignorant fathers.

I am sorry that your parents have been ignorant.
Surely, ignorant parents, are born ignorant people like you.
You talk about fetishes?
This is a fetish ...
You do not judge, or you will be judged!

My respects!

garripack: PLS MR MAN I REALLY CANT UNDERSTAND U HERE....... WAT ARE U IMPLYING WAT ARE U STANDING ON......

DATS OW PPLE FAIL EXAM!!!!!!! A VERY SIMPLE QUESTION AND U RE SAYING ANODA THING

1. Your English is worse than mine.
2.I simply say that Christianity has no doctrine itself.
Christianity is a summation of worship of other religions.
3. You do not shout. is very impolite.

My respects.

chukwudi44: Mary's genealogy is given in luke.She is also descended from the clan of david

Jesus was a Jew, he just wanted to change the Jewish religion; sort sacrifices and burnt offerings, and finish with the priests who profited from religion (like today and Nigeria).
Abraham (the great adulterer) is the patriarch of the Jewish people. It is not a matter of tribes but lineage.
The Jews no doubt about that holdings.
See you on google, is the simplest.
My respects.

PAGAN 9JA:
yes they used it for the betterment of the society after damaging the original stable society), but at WHAT COST? at the sufferrings of other peoples around the world! we Africans must not go the same evil path as theirs neither will we go. we have to much self-respect for that, i am sure. .




The progress of a Pagan religion depends on the encouragement of its people along with the development of the aforesaid people's society. look at how advanced Hinduism today is. they have compiled so many treatises, epics, medicine, scientific knowledge etc., based on their religion. today, in India and China, traditional medicine is taken very seriously, with docatorates, degrees, etc., handed out.
in the past, it was Ancient Gyptian Religon, Mayan Religion and reco-Roman religion that were the forerunners.

coming back to Nigerian religions, you will notice how developed Ifa Orisha/ Beninese Vodun religion of the Yorubas is, when compared to Odinani of the Igbo and my very own Hausa religion. this is because Yoruba religion has a wider following and adherence not only in Nigeria but elsewhere and especially even in neigbouring Benin & Togo (53%).

An authoritative word, of a brother, I totally agree.
Possibly, there are more traditional cults spread abroad, than others.
But in America, is not indifferent to the African process.
Best wishes dear brother!

ezicat: Someone mentioned recognizing traditional religions in the form of a national holiday/holidays. That's a start - don't know how plausible it is in Nigeria given the way the country is run by the educated Christians and Muslims (pun intended), but we could start an online petition asking for this recognition. We could select four religions (specific to the North, East, South and Western areas) and go from there. At least, we can generate some noise, maybe even get into some Nigerian newspapers? Again - we'll need to modernize these religions to focus on unity, collective wealth and national success rather than individual blessings.

Talk is cheap. Let's DO something about this!

I am SICK and TIRED of the attitudes of the average Nigerian. It drove me INSANE the last time I went home. A country that professes to be so religious should NOT be so corrupt. It's time to do something to change our mentality.

With respect to the traditional religion, and the same problem that exists worldwide.
I've had the honor of meeting many countries, and in each case the same: the pressure of foreign religions. Not only is a problem of Africa ... belongs to everyone.
I share your opinion ... of course! We gotta get out, and they see that we exist ... Enough inferoiridad complexes; preconceptions Enough!
We are what we are, and we are no less than any European nor any Arab!

In this type of thread, we see that there are a minority. They make more noise, they are fanatics. Show our consistency, rationality and common sense ...
We begin walking very few (as in this forum), but gradually awaken Mother Africa and be thousands.
Se alàáfiá!
A hug and my respect!

ezicat: Very very interesting reading,

I'm encouraged that there are more and more people thinking outside the box and stepping away from the colonial mentality (which includes Islam and Christianity as they are currently practiced in Nigeria. It would be different if we made them our own for the betterment of our society (like the Europeans did with Christianity because guess what - Christianitiy is of middle eastern origins NOT caucasian), but we do not.

Question to these people - what's your story - those of you who think as above. Have you always lived in Nigeria? Because if you've come to the above conclusion while always living at home, that would be awesome - it would indicate that some indegenes are waking up, and didn't have to leave the country to do so. I say that because my example is different - I don't know if I would think as I do now if I hadn't left. Speaking of thinking as I do now, I don't understand all those who say that they accepted Christianity because it's more rational to them. I don't get it because the minute I started thinking about Christianity rationally was the minute it stopped making sense to me - okay, perhaps not the minute - it occurred slowly, very slowly over time for me to finally accept that blind obedience based on faith especially when looked at under the lens of history makes absolutely no sense in terms of societal advancement.

And those who equate Christianity with literacy - I believe some have already pointed out that the early pagan religions formed the foundation of the West's literacy including reading and writing (Ancient Egypt and Greece anyone)? Furthermore, early scholars were branded as heretics by Christian priests and the like - Galileo anyone? So they are not synonymous even in Europe where some have equated Christianity with the advent of the Dark Ages. Religion of most kinds lead to complacency because they do not champion rationility and continued development (things tend to be set in stone and there is constant resistance to change, as others have pointed out). I put traditional religion in this realm as well, however, if traditional religions can be unified and modernized - if the different deities were to encourage their patrons to acquire scientific knowledge and understanding of the world around them, to care for an accept others NOT BY TALK or based on class (as is so common with the Nigerian Christian) but SOLELY by works, to encourage the uplifting of entire communities by people working together instead of the belief of personal wealth held by one too many Nigerian Christians, then maybe we can get somewhere...

Excellent post!
Everything evolves!
The christianity and Islam have changed a lot!
They study the tactics to continue to attract followers .... to benefit deprivation and poverty and ignorance.
Africa must regain his identity, must honor their ancestors and history.
We must not make mistakes like those committed by Abimbola, who sold the rich historical heritage, by political necessity.
My respects.

The patriarch is Abraham
Jesus is the son d Abraham, David, and other Jewish adulterers.
my respects