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Agriculture › Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by pumppie: 6:43pm On Jul 03, 2016

ijababa:
Dears, I need heads up from users of Top-feeds in the house..
Is it advisable to use the 2mm' of this brand as a substitute for the foreign brands?
what are the flaws (if any) of this brand ?
I am trying to cut cost by switching(partially) to local feeds and would appreciate your advise as it relate to top-feed.

it depends on what u wanna achieve. i will advise that u dont compromise with feed quality at this stage. this is not a good stage to start thinking of cutting cost. best option, produce your own feed rich in protein using any of the formulas listed on this thread. i dont want to talk about issues some of my clients had with this brand recently. if u have kept ursef abreast with the series of info on this thread u will understand that one good way of cutting cost translates to making ur own quality feed. i hope this helps?

regards.

Agriculture › Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by pumppie: 6:41pm On Jun 27, 2016

omisakint:
What else do you I want? Thanks for your input. God bless you for us

God bless us all bro

Agriculture › Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by pumppie: 2:05pm On Jun 26, 2016

Hormohtoondeh:
Please can I avoid to use flow through when hatching. Rain fell yesterday nd d colour of our well water has changed to brown. I AV very little water in my tank, thinking of not using flow through
Pls wil I get a successful production
Urgent replies please
AV laid my eggs since 8am dis morning

as long ás u don't over crowd d eggs in the vats u are fine. Its better to still get something out of this set than risking with a compromised water all in d name of flow through. Regards

Agriculture › Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by pumppie: 1:44pm On Jun 26, 2016*

omisakint:
Good morning sirs... I am of the notion that treatment shouldn't be given to the fishes until we see a death or two which I think it isn't wise enough. What drugs can one give to the fishes maybe on a daily, weekly or monthly basis to prevent them against any infection which may lead to death. Thanks.

prevention they say is better than cure and this also aplly to catfish. However most catfish diseases are opportunistic. Hence u must ensure good management practise by feeding regularly and adequately to avoid nutritional diseases. Also always maintain good water quality. Having said this, u can apply drugs and some chemicals as prophylaxis as u like maybe daily or weekly. D most common chemical u can use is common salt. Apart from killing some disease organism it stimulate fish appetite and improves resistance to handling. U can also use antibîtocs like chloraphenicol, oxytetracycline, procain penicillin, aquaceryl and fishbiotic. They can be added to feed or into their water. U can also use chemicals like pottasium permanganate, formalin and malachite green but be careful not to overdose for all d drugs and chemicals. Use only as recommended. I hope this helps? Regards.

N:b I didnt talk about aquapro and livstovite before some will say we are marketing for d producers...na joke oh. but trust me this too are equally important .

Agriculture › Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by pumppie: 6:20am On Jun 26, 2016

Forming a cartel may not be feasible to be honest, i strongly believe that a starting point is for all to appreciate that we have the solution to this hike in foreign feeds. we should know the following;
1. we have most if not all of the materials needed here in Nigeria.
2. fish meal (animal protein), which happens to be the most expensive of all the materials can be totally replaced with a combination of plant protein and a cheap animal protein (blood meal) to still give a very wonderful FCR and result.

For example, in my farm we have used a combination of soya (sbm), Groundnut cake (Gnc), cerelac waste and blood meal without fish meal. however, to be very effective we use lysine and methionine of 0.05kg/ 100kg at least, in addition to premix, other drugs and vitamins. finally, for grow out, we always supplement the pelleted feed with livstovit to improve any loss in nutrient during drying. the result has always been fantastic. there is no magic about this, fish meal contains certain amino acid not present or limited in plant protein so what do we do? we boost the plant protein by increasing lysine and methionine to an acceptable and tolerable level.

I know the issue of palatability still comes in, that can also be sorted. Gnc itself is palatiable, if u have access to fish oil please make use of it. also the generous inclusion of lysine and methionine usually will produce maximum feeding response and feed ingestion. this is an area where the supplementary livstovit comes in. please colleagues, if you are using cheaper localy produced feeds like vital and top feed for e.g, try adding livstovit to your feed and come and tell us here what you observe in terms of result.

As it stands, a lot of farmers are pulling out from the business and it pains me to see this happen. however, with perseverance and ingenuity , we shall all overcome this challenge of hike in feeds. Best regards

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Agriculture › Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by pumppie: 9:19am On Jun 24, 2016

bendims:
Fish farmers in the house please help me. I bought some Catfish broodstocks recently and they have refused feed for 3 days now. What do I do? I've tried changing their water and refreshing them. But still yet they refuse to eat. Please house help me. Any advice?

something important we sometimes take for granted; when introducing brooders to our farm, its not a bad idea to discinfect them cos of possible infections from source. Pls was that the first time u bot from the farm? What size of pond did u put them? What feed are u giving dem? Regards

Agriculture › Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by pumppie: 9:12am On Jun 24, 2016

aoladayo:
Thank very much, they are currently on 3mm Coppens and also Pls where can I get those stuffs, I stay I Alagbado.

go to poultry support abattoir for livstovit and fishvite. For aqupro or livstovit, u can get that from Sabina also In abbatior. Lets know how it goes with the fella that asked u to whatsapp him. Alagbado is an area I cover very well, maybe I can make a visit to ur farm. Regards

Agriculture › Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by pumppie: 6:31pm On Jun 23, 2016

aoladayo:
Good morning great farmers and business men/women,
Pls i need help and guides on a situation, my fishes are like a 6weeks now started with fingerlings, but there are some few ones that just didn't grow they still remain tiny, I have sorted them out ND put them in a trampoline small pond separately and feed them but I noticed they barely eat and will just swimming around only sometimes come up as if to sniff the food and go downs again.
The food only seem to sinking and desolvkng eventually.
Pls any help; though they are few I am not ready to loose them I would like to find a solution to it and make them grow as well as learn for the sake of another time.

they are part of your investment and hence it will not be entirely fair to ignore them esp since u dont want to luz them. my suggestion; please get any of the following; livstovit, aqua pro or fishvite. these are multivitamins and appetite stimulant. in addition, they will also increase rate at which feeds eaten are converted and thus helping growth. as long as infections are ruled out, expect changes. regards.

n:b what type of feed are you using for them?? (important)

Agriculture › Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by pumppie: 9:23am On Jun 05, 2016

robonski15:

thats the way it is bro..... forgot to mention alla aqua #7000/ bag

Agriculture › Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by pumppie: 9:22am On Jun 05, 2016

excelsiorfarm:
GOD BLESS

thanks bro and u too

Agriculture › Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by pumppie: 6:22pm On Jun 04, 2016

dondo83:
can the gurus in the house give an update on feed price list around them (coppens , durante and vital feeds) The price is abuja seems crazy

hello sir, coppen 2mm 45% is #7500, durante sinking is #7k but heard d prize will be reviewed upwards to #8500, coppen 3mm and 4mm is 7k, vital is now sold for #4,800. Aqua master 38%cp is #5,500. regards

Agriculture › Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by pumppie: 4:03pm On Jun 04, 2016

Austinekg:
Dear All,
Commercial/Large scale farmers in the house within Lagos and Ogun state with the capacity to meet a daily bulk purchase of 1000kg and above should Please indicate. And if you know any farms with such capacity, kindly assist with the details.

Regards.

please kindly indicate if its table size (give specs) or melange. regards.

Agriculture › Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by pumppie: 3:56pm On Jun 04, 2016

godwinufi68:
my broda thank u very much 4 ur quick response and advice i appreciate, for unstudying i hv already undergo 3months practical training... I wish someone can help a broda wit 100 juvenile let me grow as first experience... It wil be a thing of a great joy 2me. Below is my farm

hello, if you are based in lagos or ogun kindly let me know so i can grant your wish regarding your seed. regards.

Agriculture › Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by pumppie: 2:20pm On May 29, 2016

dondo83:
hello sir can I have your contact please. I want to make some enquiries. thanks

or pumppie85@yahoo.com. tnx

Agriculture › Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by pumppie: 2:19pm On May 29, 2016

pumppie:
hi sir, please check your mail. regards

Agriculture › Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by pumppie: 2:15pm On May 29, 2016

dondo83:
hello sir can I have your contact please. I want to make some enquiries. thanks

Agriculture › Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by pumppie: 6:58am On May 23, 2016

psalm1man:
I really appreciate this, thanks a lot and God bless.

u are most welcome sir. regards

Agriculture › Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by pumppie: 6:25pm On May 20, 2016

Alohseda:
please can you explain how to go about aeration of water? I understand it is a way of increasing the oxygen level in water. And how can I know that the oxygen in water is low? Thank you

you can use aerators. but generally and naturally the introduction of fresh water into your pond will increase dissolved oxygen. so you should always change water as often as possible to increase DO. also avoid overfeeding cos feed sediment will reduce ur DO and also increase bacteria growth and activity which will also compromise the DO of ur pond.

if u have an oxygen meter, u can always measure ur water DO. but u can also pay attention to certain signs e.g fish hanging and low activity are also signs that ur pond DO is low.

regards

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Agriculture › Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by pumppie: 5:49pm On May 20, 2016

bily:
Maybe you're not getting my point. I am not debating melange in 2 and half months. My fishes @ 2 months are already melange

What is really surprising is the quantity of feed used to achieve melange in your example above. Especially considering you were feeding to satiation and from my own personal experience, if I were to be feeding to satiation, they will generally consume more than what I give them (I use coppens feeding table).

We are all here to learn from each other, so pardon me if I wanted to know if I had missed somethingsomething

no issues bro sure we are all here to learn and help each other. happy u contributed cos i did talk about the fact that there are recommended feeding schedules (coppen included), but cos in reality most people don't use them hence d need to feed to satiation (which is usually discretional). n;b feeding to satiation is totally subjective if u ask me. i really don't know the quantity u stock, but definitely not d same as did in the model. also u should also understand that FCR of feeds vary and so using your feeding table and type of feed, honestly u may not use up to the quantity in this model. for the model i gave on this thread, we had remaining 4 bags of vital feed. i also have another example of someone who used vital all through and ended up spending 3months and using more bags. i am happy u can attest to achieving melange even in 2 months. so please its not a strict model u can modify and better it, in terms of results and expense. for me i don't use up to this quantity. i shared this experience cos it was the first time out for the client and i needed all (esp newbies) to see that it is indeed achievable and u can make money big time in this biz.

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Agriculture › Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by pumppie: 5:11pm On May 20, 2016

psalm1man:
Thanks a whole lot for this model sir...there are however some questions I will like to ask,
1) The stocking density/ recommended spacing for melange.
2) Preferred time of feeding.
3) Can local feeds be formulated due to the current upsurge in prices of feed.
4) If yes, an advisable feed formular *smile

Thanks a lot for the HIGHLY anticipated reply

you are most welcome sir,
1. for melange stocking density let me break it down this way: some will argue that u can stock x2 of your pond capacity for grow out, but i will recommend x1.5 or at most x1.7. e.g if your pond can take 1000 fishes to table size, for melange u can stock 1500 or 1700 max. (assuming you are using a stagnant water system) effective spacing is key to ur success in this.(please read more on melange farming on agricnetwork)

2. Regarding time to feed, feed twice a day preferably between 8.am and 9.am when dissolved oxygen levels has started to rise. And not later than 6pm in the evening. feed to satiation but avoid wastage.

3. some great minds on this thread have been using formulated feeds and with wonderful results, so sure it can be used. (like i said this is just a model that works). is there 'only one way' of doing things? not always sir.

4. on advisable feed formula, please kindly review ablx's formula and modify where necessary.

regards.

Agriculture › Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by pumppie: 4:32pm On May 20, 2016

bily:
Very interesting model, though it's hard to swallow looking at it on the surface.

Can you tell us more about the water management practice used to get this particular result. Is it a RAS, constant flow through, daily water change, or do the ponds have a form of constant aeration?. This will help shed more light on the success of this particular example.

I personally would like to achieve this same result, would appreciate further breakdown, thanks.

i really don't know what is hard to swallow about harvesting melange in 2 and half months at least. on water management, please kindly review the thread carefully a lot has been written on that already so nothing new to add. if you are talking about system used, its not an RAS or constant flow through. its a stagnant water system and you change water when required. no additional forms of aeration was included. like i said, you can modify and even better this result. regards

Agriculture › Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by pumppie: 4:45pm On May 14, 2016

BELEXYFARMS:
Hi fellow farmers, its no secret that the recent increase in fuel price will affect every aspect of our lives and operating costs of our farms. Its high time we up our game in terms of price of catfish on our farms. I don't think its a taboo for catfish price to increase because it really baffles me that price of fish has remained virtually constant for years despite the fact the fish feed and other operating costs have constantly been on the rise.
#We should start selling our catfish of 800g and above for N550 - N600 per kilo, while fish below 800g sold for N500 per kilo.
If we all pass the word around and we can be strict on our farms, we should be able to increase the farmgate price of fish. Nothing is impossible and catfish farmers even if on small scale level should be able to live as comfortably as their counterparts with white collar jobs

N. B. Increasing the farmgate price of fish is just one way to alleviate the high operating costs in recent times. We should also look inwards and try to reduce our operating costs in all aspects.

just what I was pondering over some few moments ago. Just got back from Agege and trust me prices of feeds and materials are crazily high. I understand some farmers are now selling 700/kg. For me, my seeds uses to be #10 fingerlings, #12 post and #20 juve, melange 430-450, 800g -1kg was 520, but trust me prices have changed going forward. My fear is that u will still find a lot of farmers who might compromise quality and can sell cheap. Y my fear? Not becos it affects my biz cos honestly meeting demand is even a challenge at d moment but becos we will definately find some who will fall prey and then they will com here to tell stories that touch. So please all be wise in ur dealings!! Regards

Agriculture › Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by pumppie: 8:43pm On May 07, 2016

KayDawodu:
You did mention 48 bags of 4mm vital feed at 4,250.

yes i mentioned 48 bags of 4mm vital feed @ 4,250 per one. total= N204,000. n;b the rate (4,250) was a discount rate cos bulk purchase was made. currently, almost all feeds have increased prices but i'm sure u will get some discount if u buy in bulk. regards

Agriculture › Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by pumppie: 3:58pm On May 05, 2016

lawstenie:
Pumppie/chilafarm, am grateful for your prompt response. Ok let me give a quick run down of the farm. I stocked 750 post fries per say though the farmer sold them to me as fingerlings cos they weighed 1.2g and less at the initially time of stocking. I want to raise to table size. Am giving 0.5mm coppens for now.

Pumppie/chilafarm, am grateful for your prompt response. Ok let me give a quick run down of the farm. I stocked 750 post fries per say though the farmer sold them to me as fingerlings cos they weighed 1.2g and less at the initially time of stocking. I want to raise to table size. Am giving 0.5mm coppens for now. I was advices to give 0.8mm next. pls what do you think? I really want to get a good result.

Hello sir, I think the confusion here is that we don’t seem to know exactly what u stocked. Post fries are different from fingerlings. If what u stocked are post fries, then u can feed in this order; 0.5mm -0.8mm, 0.8mm-1.2mm and finally 1.5mm. Hope this helps?

Agriculture › Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by pumppie: 3:21pm On May 05, 2016

Trudy12:
regarding the melange model, i think durante sinking can be used instead of the vital feeds.just asking.

Yes u can use durante sinking. It’s even cheaper than vital, and as long as u can handle using it, ba wahala.

Agriculture › Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by pumppie: 2:43pm On May 05, 2016

boomzee:
thanks
....but my question concerning ur model is this....did I actually use 48 bag of durante sinking.....or u just gave d equivalent of 48 ahs frrm durante....s durante is 25kg while vital is 15kg...

I need u to be clear sir, guess some typo is the cause tho, I never mentioned anything about 48bags of durante sir, I only said I personally use durante, But advised the client to use vital. Durante Equivalent of the model is 29bags. Hope u get?

Agriculture › Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by pumppie: 4:13pm On May 04, 2016

lawstenie:
They are two weeks old from the day of stocking as fingerlings. Thnks. please i really need a clue on how to change the sizes of feed.

if they are actually fingerlings from when u brought them, buy now u can use 1.8mm skretting (durante) as chilamfarms suggested, but if u can't get that, use coppen 1.5mm. As regards changing feed sizes pls provide d house details such as number of fingerlings stored and also what u intend to harvest e.g table size or melange. Otherwise, u proceede in this order 1.5mm, 2mm, 3mm, 4mm, 6mm and 8mm. Nb: some feeds don't have 3mm and 8mm e.g skretting (sinking) for this type u can finish with 6mm. I hope this helps. Regards.

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Agriculture › Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by pumppie: 11:43am On May 04, 2016

Kneyo:
thanks.

u welcome sir

Agriculture › Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by pumppie: 11:43am On May 04, 2016

SELLING NOW !!!

2000KG CATFISH TABLE SIZE OF 900g AND 1kg+ @N520/kg

LOCATION: LUSADA AREA, OGUN STATE.

Please contact me if interested. regards

Agriculture › Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by pumppie: 11:33am On May 04, 2016

lawstenie:
hello everyone, pls how do i wash new tarpouline pond? I have fingerlings that are I still feed with 0.5 coppens. pls can someone tell me when to change feeds and to what. Thanks

how old are your seeds sir

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Agriculture › Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by pumppie: 12:22pm On May 03, 2016

Kneyo:
brother, which pond did your friend make use of? earthen or concrete pond.@pumppie

hello bro, The production cycle was carried out in tarpaulin collapsible ponds and plastic ponds (hart). regards.

Agriculture › Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by pumppie: 11:57am On May 03, 2016

doagric:
good for your friend but i have an observation though, i maybe wrong but from your write up your friend used a total of 64 bags of feed after the 3 bags of 1.5 mm . 64 x 15kg will give us 960kg of dry feed fed to 6000 pieces of fish and that gives him 1920kg of wet weight this brings brings the FCR to about 0.5 (fcr= dry feed fed/weight weight gain) in two months plus? i do not think that is poosible even with the best of seeds, good spacing and great water management . but like i said earlier i maybe wrong but i would appreciate an insight on where i went wrong. thanks

Hello sir, thank you very much about ur inquest relating to the information I posted. Sir, I am not amazed that you may feel an FCR of about 0.5 with corresponding weight is not achievable in 2 months plus (so many people also think same). And that is one reason I posted this model. Also note that I am not talking about TABLE SIZE here, but rather MELANGE.

I think you should look at FCR holistically. The FCR is low for catfish at a younger age (fries, fingerlings, juvenile etc) when relative growth is higher. This is why u will notice that the quantity consumed at early stages is lower with relative higher growth than later. (Ceteris paribus)
Quality of feed, stocking density, seed quality, water and overall management are all factors than can influence FCR. These factors are actually variables and that is why as farmers we can never achieve the same result. (I think we should review FCR ones more on this thread).

The information I gave I didn’t demand a kobo from anyone, I don’t sell feeds either. And I did mention that it’s not a top secrete as far as I’m concerned. I am humbled to say it is a simple model that God has been using in helping a lot of farmers offline. I have different success stories and also few failed ones too. I will share those ones too so we can pick a thing or two.

It is good to always see things not just from a theoretical perspective alone. Sir, if u can achieve 1kg and above between 4months to 5 months, why do you think it’s impossible to achieve between 300g and 500g in 2.5? (Ceteris paribus). Honestly speaking if by 2.5 months you don’t have an average of 300g to 500g from ur stocked group then u should critically examine ur practice and find out what is missing before it’s too late.

Someone just posted his achievements using Ziegler feed which in all honesty is one of my favorite. But due to cost and sometimes availability, this is why I always try out new feeds; document there results so as to help anyone I’m dealing with no matter ur budget. To be successful in this business, I think we should go beyond seeing ourselves as internet farmers. I’m sure some might think I was going to post something outside the ordinary like an ‘abrakadabra’ (lol). But I did mention that it’s not cheap, it’s not new but can guarantee success in a short period. Regards.

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