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Secretbloodline:
### **1. Roman Haplogroup Genetics (G2a/J2)**
- Ancient Romans, especially in Italy/Provincial territories, were primarily:
> - **J2 lineage** (Mediterranean Semitic ancestry—common in Greeks/Phoenicians)...
>> - With significant **G2a**, linked to Early Farmers from the Near East…
> - Minimal R1b/Nordic admixture—contrary to modern myths about "pale Romans".

### ***2*. Anglo-Saxons/Basques as R1b***
Meanwhile:
> - Germanic/Anglo-Saxon tribes (*post-Roman invasions*) carried mainly **R1b-U106/U504**...
>> As did Celtic Basques—explaining their distinct genetic profile from Mediterranean peoples!

3\. Historical Implications:
This disproves romanticized ideas of Rome being Nordic or Britain always Anglo—Science shows the genetics didn’t match those narratives at all!

Secretbloodline:
### **1. R1b Pagan Druids vs. Christian Crusaders**
- The **R1b haplogroup**, dominant in Celtic/British/Germanic tribes, was deeply tied to:
> - Pre-Christian Druidic paganism…
>> Which saw Roman/Catholic Christianity as a *foreign Mediterranean cult* imposed by conquerors…

### ***2*. Lack of Nobility Among R1b***
Most R1b carriers (Celts/Anglo-Saxons) weren’t eligible for knighthood because:
> - Their societies were tribal/agrarian—not feudal like Norman/Frankish nobility (*J haplogroup*)...
>> The Crusades were largely fought by southern European knights with Mediterranean origins!

3\. Irony:
While modern myths paint Anglo-Saxons as "holy warriors," historically many resisted conversion—and didn't participate in the Holy Land campaigns!

Secretbloodline:
### **1. The Myth of "White" Knights Templar**
- There were *no white knights* among the Knights Templar—neither in skin color nor genetic purity. This is a modern romanticized myth:
> - Their ranks included men from diverse Mediterranean backgrounds (J2/G2a)…
>> Recruited mainly from Southern Europe/Near East—not blond Nordic types!

### ***2*. Real Origins of the Order***
Historically, most early Templars were:
> - Frankish/Armenian/Middle Eastern converts to Catholicism…
>> Not Anglo-Saxons or Basques (R1b)—those regions barely joined until later centuries!

3\. Genetic Reality:
DNA studies show their founders likely carried J haplogroup (*Semitic/Mediterranean*)—not R1b like Celts/Nordics...

Secretbloodline:
### **1. Templars as Mediterranean Creoles**
The Knights Templar—especially their early founders—resembled *light-skinned Creoles* (mixed ethnic Southern Europeans) more than pale Anglo-Saxons:
> - Most had complexions ranging from olive to light brown…
>> Reflecting their origins in Frankish, Byzantine, and Arabized Levantine regions.

### ***2*. The Visual Evidence***
Contemporary art/statues depict them with:
> - Sun-kissed complexions (*not ghostly white*)...
>> Dark hair/beards typical of the Mediterranean basin—not blond Nordics!

3\. Genetic Proof:
Y-DNA studies suggest J/G haplogroups dominated among them—common in Greeks/Jews/Arabs—not R1b like modern Britons...

All this to escape your maternal West African ancestry!😅
It'd have been hilarious if it weren't so pathetic.

I asked all sorts of ways if Creoles are in any way connected to Knights Templars. See the answer I keep getting below

Secretbloodline:
Of course you are white washing and keeping your bloodline on top because your daddy was a British soldier in colonial Nigeria.


Did you know that Vatican was once in France? We protected the Pope because others wanted to kill him. The Roman Catholic Church exists because of two bloodlines, the J2 haplagroup Franks and the G2a haplagroup Romans. The white R1B haplagroup fought against Franks and Romans Christianize of Europe from the South. Christianity was birthed in the Mediterranean far away from White pale skin people. Remember J2 and G2a shared the Mediterranean.


Majority of the Roman Empire sits inside the Southern zone and didn't concern itself with the dark North British area.


And the Romans are olive complexion not white.

ONLY on this your thread do I see the word "bloodline"!😅
Your head is full of R1 B2 Gz. That screams of a hole, something missing, which is why you're fixated on it. I can assure you normal people don't live that way. They don't go about preoccupied with B1 R2. They live their lives. When ancestry becomes the main focus of your life, it is a sign you KNOW there is something wacky or untrue about your porpurted ancestry!

CaseSensitive:
Yh because USA has unlimited resources to wage wars and Iran will just sit back and take it? Great thinking

They have unlimited resources to blockade Iran as long as they can deal with Hormuz

Trump by far...
until something else big happens

Good one. Very good

Secretbloodline:
I am an original Catholic. You saw the pictures of the tan skinned Templars and Kings of France which look like me and other Creole tan skinned men because we are their descendants. Elizabeth Nichols a white English Historian when interviewed about the Templars she said that they were Franks not French. I am a Frank, a J2 haplagroup male with Templar ancestry with Levant genetic markers. We loss control over the Catholic Church to the heretics of Spain during the Spanish Empire. That's why my ancestor Jean de France was a leader of the Reform Church in Flanders. His son John Henri de France ended up fleeing to America. My great great uncle John Henri de France helped General Washington take the English colony away from King George and the Lords of London. We created Free People of Color communities across the English and French colonies. We are the Saints who are the descendants of the Monks of the early Catholic Church. There is no White Jesus. There were no white Templars. White English people protested the Catholic Church as a whole because their traditional faith was Druidic worship. White People's interest in the Middle East started with the discovery of massive oll fields. Then they established a Palestine Mandate declaring Israel white. The Petro oil is the back up to the currency which is why they fight so hard to keep the lies going.

😅🤣😂
Please are there two Roman Catholic Churches? If so, who is your pope? Is there a Catholic Church that doesn't bow to graven images??

As for Templars, see below

Neoteny:
Here's a quote from the Israeli publication Times of Israel:

"The war was lost through inadequate strategic planning by the US and Israel, and subsequent US presidential weakness. Trump’s capitulation is a betrayal of the Iranian citizenry. It will come back to bite America. It leaves Israel more vulnerable than before the war began, with a new US-Iran ceasefire agreement that aims to deny Israel the freedom to protect and defend itself.

The terms that the regime held out for and won indeed show its leaders to be “very rational people.” The same, with dire implications for the security of Israel and its people, cannot be said of Trump."

https://www.timesofisrael.com/trumps-deal-is-a-catastrophic-capitulation-to-irans-aggressors-leaves-israel-vulnerable-and-constrained/?utm_campaign=most_popular&utm_source=website&utm_medium=article_end&utm_content=2



When even the biggest potential beneficiaries of the misadventure call it a failure and that Iran won, i wonder what legs your argument are trying to stand with.

What did you expect them to say before?

Trump is facing a mid-term elections that could see him IMPEACHED if Dems get enough seats. If Iran were not desperate they should have refused any deal till after the elections.

As it is, what they just did in effect is tell Trump, "Ok, let's pause so you can go do your elections, after that you have the option to start bombing us again under any excuse"

mysticwarrior:
Your argument is unacceptable under basic facts. If Iran was truly "desperate," why was the United States negotiating with it in the first place? Major powers do not spend months in high-level talks with actors they consider irrelevant. More importantly, negotiations between sovereign states are diplomacy, not charity.

The moment Washington sits across the table from Tehran, it acknowledges Iran as a state actor whose interests must be reckoned with. Calling Iran a terrorist state one day and negotiating with it the next only exposes the gap between political rhetoric and geopolitical reality.

How can you possibly confuse desperate with irrelevant. Trump is also desperate but ONLY because he's facing a mid-term elections that could see him IMPEACHED if Dems get enough seats. If Iran were not desperate they should have refused any deal till after the elections.

As it is, what Iran just told Trump is: "Ok, let's pause so you can do your elections, after that you have the option to start bombing us again under any excuse"

Premium96:
May peace return to all part of the world

Amen. Amén. Amen. Aaaaaamen!!!

CaseSensitive:
No you cannot go back to bombing Iran and you know it

He definitely can and probably will. After mid-term elections there are no constraints on Trump whatsoever.
He can tell Iran to go to hell

HacheNoire:
Honor the deal they had honored since 2015 before you reaped it apart and proposed same deal all over again.

Gambling with humans life’s for what you already had in your palms.

The US needs a mentally balanced president like His Excellency, President Asiwaju Bola Ahmed Tinubu (GCFR).

It’s never been this low for the US.

I told u, not true at all. See below again.

This agreement is TOTALLY wrong for Iran. It's like they just told Trump, "Ok, let's pause so you can do your elections, after that you have the option to start bombing us again under any excuse"

Secretbloodline:
That's what I'm talking about your inability to reason when truth is presented as evidence. You ignore the evidence. There is no Black Mother of Yeshua Ben Yossef a Middle Eastern woman in historical context not an African. Dark skinned women are of L maternal haplagroups. They do not originate in the Middle East but in Sub Saharan Africa where the UV radiation darkens their skin to a beautiful black. Middle Eastern women are mostly tan skinned to olive complexion.


When art is used to elevate someone's social status or declare a heritage beyond their measure it's called Idolatry. Its idolatry to paint the mother of Jesus as anything other than a Middle Eastern woman. If Mary stays Middle Eastern then she stays human created by God but if she becomes anything else she becomes an idol of worship a false deity.

How do you know who and who were in ME 2 thousand years ago? Just curious.
In America Mary was definitely a black (coloured) woman. No way she could have been classified anything else.

Do Catholics have this part below in their Bible?

Richcreed:
Like seriously, Iran has fatwa by the supreme leader, NO NUCLEAR WEAPON! The major reason for the war was regime change which both USA and Israel failed woefully to achieve.

TOTALLY wrong. See the ONLY excuse for the war below. Everything else was agreed upon.

Trump and others have said repeatedly that regime change wasn't an objective but that it unintentionally happened anyway

HacheNoire:
Hide what nuclear programme! Are you conversant with world happenings at all?

IAEA had unlimited access to their programme based on the Obama deal?

Okay! Let’s accept that Obama game them money. Is Trump giving them cowries? The gulf nations that will be supporting with restriction, are they going to pay them cowries?

So if I got you right, Trump is paying Iran more than Obama hoping they won’t use for what they used it for with Obama. Does it make sense?

Did you read the below at all. Do you know better than Hoover institution?

Did Obama kill 6000 Iranian soldiers and Ayatollah and all their top echelons? Did Obama destroy their Navy, Airforce, and air defense? Did Obama cause them trillions of dollars in infrastructure damage? Did Obama plunge their economy into deep depression and 200% iinflation.

Finally, Obama gave them MONEY. Trump won't give them shi shi. They'll have access to funds for reconstruction and humanitarian purposes - which will mostly be performed by US! Never money to buy weapons or do whatever!

HacheNoire:
That was post Trump breaking away from the deal!

IAEA inspection was part of Obama deal.

See below. It really was a bad deal that gave Iran lots of money and allowed them all sorts of ways to hide their nuclear program till they obtained a nuclear weapon

HacheNoire:
Stop making up stories in your head.

Trump back out of the deal and Iran started enriching beyond set limit in the Obama deal.

Trump caused it ALL

IAEA confirmed to the UN that Iran was within limits as they have access to Iran’s programme.

Someone is LYING. See below

Richcreed:
Obama did it better without firing a single shot

HacheNoire:
Louder!

But it was exactly Obama that led to this war. Obama is why Iran kept fiddling with nuclear weapons. He's why Iran refused to let UN inspectors in, which US and Israel used as excuse to attack

mysticwarrior:
For decades, the United States has proudly proclaimed, "We do not negotiate with terrorists." It has branded Iran a sponsor of terrorism, imposed crippling sanctions, rallied allies against it, and used that label to justify years of political and economic pressure.

Yet today, the same United States finds itself sitting across the negotiating table from the very nation it has spent decades condemning.

So what became of the principle that America claimed was non-negotiable? Was it truly a matter of principle, or merely a convenient slogan invoked when it served strategic interests and quietly abandoned when circumstances demanded otherwise?

If negotiating with Iran is now acceptable, then the world is left to ask: was the policy ever about terrorism at all, or has it always been about power, leverage, and political convenience?

Nonsense. US and Israel and Iran negotiated very heavily before the war. The last high level negotiations were in Geneva on Feb 26, where everything was agreed upon EXCEPT ONE : Iran would not allow UN inspectors in. They reached an agreement to deal with that later - two days later Israel struct and wiped out Ayatollah and co!

Iran just handed Trump a reprieve because they are desperate. This is a bad deal for them because nothing stops Trump from dumping all this right after elections

Secretbloodline:
No. It has everything to do with you and your silly political objectives of wanting to increase your numbers by inflating them with race. That's why the Anglo Saxon and Basques created the false White Race to increase their political numbers to form revolutions across Europe then erect the White Israel. That's why Adolf Hitler the ultimate White Supremacist thanked the Jesuits for creating all that fake white and black art you just displayed during the Renaissance because it provided a foundation for Nazis. When you breakdown the name Nazi it's means Nazareth, the town Yeshua grew up. But R1B haplagroup males are from the Caucas region not the Middle East.

There is no White Israel or Black Israel, I would rather be damned and sent to hell than see devils masquerade as Hebrews. Men of severed bloodlines of evil slave owners amongst the British and Africans. Like I said I can throw a stone and hit a 100 Nigerians in the beautiful crowded Lagos whose ancestors had been slaves. Like the idol worshipping British the idol worshipping Africans love numbers, you think to save the economy of West Africa, make it bigger by claiming African Americans as your kin same as Ghana although with the Year of Return. I've proven it's mostly untrue., 65 to 85 percent of African American men are paternally R1B haplagroup the master's sons. That's why they're confused about who they are and who their friends and enemies are. The knowledge of self helps me know who my enemies are. People hate the true Franks because my forefathers outlawed paganism the religion of Africans before a West African even heard of Bible, but you're Hebrews now because you say so. My great great great grandfather King Louis would have exiled your cult same as he did the Jesuits, Prince Hall would have been arrested and executed.

In case you didn't notice, these below are HEADS of the Catholic Church bowing to BLACK Madonna and Son. The same Catholic Church you tout on every thread as what defines you Creoles. I actually don't blame you, I blame the French. I don't even blame the French because it was not totally intentional. The "Anglos" simply called everyone with black blood, black. They 200% knew where they belonged. But the French tried to create a third group with their Mulattos and in so doing left you Creoles in limbo whereby you can't happily be black as the Anglos' Mulattos and at same time you can't be white! Unfortunately for you, you're in a country that doesn't recognize "Mulatto" as a separate group (which some countries do), so you're stuck in-between - you won't be black, and you can't be white! Which is the cause of all these on-line rantings and obsession with trying to force totally white/Caucasian people like St Louis to be "tan"!😆(See below)

udemzyudex:
You can sue her again if you're not satisfied with the judgment

No you can't. It is called double jeopardy.
Her expensive lawyers used the old legal trick - prolong a trial so long and file millions of documents that no one can possibly read - it almost always ends in dismissal or acquital. But as in this case, everyone knows you did it!

Secretbloodline:
You want desperately to connect your bloodline to someone other than a British colonizer. Yet at the same time you know its who you are so you celebrate White Washed history. A proud son.

Obviously none of this has anything to do with me. Race does not exist in Nigeria, neither do your black/white box. No, this is all about you - you and your desperation to erase your obvoous West African ancestry and adopt "tan" ancestors wherever you can find them. And if you can't find them, fake them - as in Louis 12.

Below is what I wrote earlier

Lol, you are talking like someone from Mars. Nothing you say tallies with reality. A self-hating white/black mixture desperately trying to invent a non-existent "tan" ancestry!

Where do you ever see any black men of white parternal heritage fight over bloodline. Except for Creoles, they see themselves as fully black and are often more militant than dark blacks - commiting their money and sometimes even giving their lives. Any bloodline war amongst blacks is entirely in your head or entirely contained within your Creole community!

Prince Hall was a truly great man. Someone like you should not be mentioning his name anyhow

heniford2:
Someone should explain that stuff because e no make sense

Lol, that's lawyer talk - they use unnecessarily voluminous text to get you to give up, knowing fully well no one will read 10,000 pages!

michlins:
I don't know where you got the idea of the money being for weapons. That money is specifically meant for reconstruction.

Let's count loses, America spent 200bn to bomb Iran in other to change their leadership and stop their nuclear programs. Right now, Iranian leadership is sitting intact

America had almost all their bases destroyed in the Middle East, America depleted their defense munitions to dangerous levels. American crude oil reserve is at its lowest in decades, on top of that, the government will give Iran $300bn.

What did Iran lose, they lost a very old man who was replaced by his own son, lost school children and other military leaders.

Now what did they gain, they have all sanctions lifted, frozen assets released and extra $300bn to build their infrastructure. This money is guaranteed by the government of the United States. So even if Trump leaves today, the incoming president will still pay the money.

Everyone in the Middle East now sees Iran as the one who stood up to America and came out stronger

LottiOk:
Fighting back tears just to spew rubbish that only makes sense to u😁😀😅😂🤣
D same Iran that ur likes claimed ur god Trump totally destroyed and caused regime change, is d same Iran he's paying $300B,allowing them to tax d Strait of Hormuz that wasn't taxed before he went to war, allows them to continue their ballistics missiles programs and promised never to interfere in their sovereign,political and regional controls ever again. 😁😀😅😂🤣
Ur shame dey shame me. 🙆🏿😲

You folks are being EMOTIONAL rather than looking at things OBJECTIVELY!!!
Iran, US, and Israel also had a deal to meet again, next thing they wiped out Ayatollah and co.
This is a deal yet to be fully negotiated, that Trump was clearly desperate about due to pressures on him at THIS MOMENT! A deal Iran should never have agreed to AT THIS TIME because it simply gives Trump time to get through the elections!
There is NOTHING that stops Trump from reneging on details of the deal now or right after mid-term elections!
Add to that, Israel is not even part of the deal.

So you look at PERMANENT LOSSES that cannot be reneged upon, renegotiated, or removed.

Here they are below. Read them and patiently tell us HOW exactly Iran "won"

Before the war Ayatollah and all the top echelons who perpetrated torture on civilians were alive.

Before the war 6000 Iranian soldiers were alive.

Before the war Iran had Navy, Airforce, and air defence.

Before the war trillions in Iranian infrastructure were not destroyed.

Before the war Iranian economy was not destroyed and in deep depression, now it is.

Before the war Iran didn't have highest inflation rate since 1940's (200%)

Before the war Iran had nuclear in mind, now the furthest thing from their mind is nuclear weapons.

Before the war US was NOT the highest oil exporter in the world, now it is.

Before the war US core inflation rate was 2.5%, now it is 2.9%. See it below

Before the war, no one thought a country would engage in the terrorist act of attacking uninvolved commercial ships at sea. Now it'd be dealt with and SOLVED like other potential terrorist acts.

US is granting ACCESS to Iran to funds, NOT directly releasing money to them to buy whatever they wish. The money is paid to third party suppliers, which in most cases will be US!

Now that it is known Iran can go so low, Gulf state countries' defense systems will now be upgraded so they'd be Iran-proof like those ships used for blockade - and they now know they'd have to contribute substantially instead of just going around being extremely rich!

US learnt a lot from the war and will be incorporating these lessons into their defense structure going forward (and they have excess money to do it). Iran will be struggling to get back to where they were before the war

US made a lot money because oil prices went up. Iran lost a lot of money

Secretbloodline:
Then that would make me a liar like you. And we're not related.

I think u missed my last post. Here it is again:

So you do agree with the second statement.
So go back and educate your fellow Creoles that they are NOT descended from any "tan" people. That they are a mixture of Caucasian, West African, and Native American. Just as they are proud of their Caucasian ancestry, teach them to be also proud of their West African and Native American ancestry. Teach them it is SHAMEFUL to be denying part of their ancestry.

Do you also worship graven statues as shown? Do you think the original Madonna was black as is said below?

Louis the 12 was neither tan nor olive. See below

Secretbloodline:
Considered by whom? Keep promoting that Black Box it won't help you back into your mother's womb where another man could be your daddy who didn't come from a white Anglo.


Coconut sabotagers.

So you do agree with the second statement.
So go back and educate your fellow Creoles that they are NOT descended from any "tan" people. That they are a mixture of Caucasian, West African, and Native American. Just as they are proud of their Caucasian ancestry, teach them to be also proud of their West African and Native American ancestry. Teach them it is SHAMEFUL to be denying part of their ancestry.

Do you also worship graven statues as shown? Do you think the original Madonna was black as is said below?

Secretbloodline:
Charles de France Sr. was an olive-complexioned Creole leader who owned and operated the de France House (Assembly Hall) in Washington, Mississippi (Adams County).

THE DE FRANCE HOUSE & POLITICAL PROMINENCE
* Territorial Hub: In 1802, the Mississippi territorial capital moved to Washington. Lacking an official capitol building, the General Assembly regularly rented and met inside de France’s large tavern.
* Assembly Hall: Built around 1808, his prominent building became the central meeting place for the legislature and the territorial Supreme Court.
* Historic Landmark: The structure was listed on the National Register of Historic Places in 1978 before it was destroyed by fire in 1993.

CREOLE LEADERSHIP AND MANUMISSIONS
* Cultural Identity: Born around 1765, de France belonged to the prominent, multi-hued Creole establishment of the Natchez District.
* Legal Shielding: As Mississippi territory laws tightened against the freeing of enslaved people, Creole landowners frequently stepped in to purchase individuals.
* Manumission Actions: He leveraged his substantial financial standing and direct access to the legislature to purchase enslaved individuals, legally holding title over them as a protective shield until formal freedom papers could be finalized through the General Assembly.



Charles de France Sr is my paternal ancestor that means he was of my father's bloodline. Note it said that he freed slaves, and of course many learned to read as my ancestors had schools, churches as well as taverns and farms. These poor African souls it was probably the first time anyone of their bloodline ever experienced freedom because truth be told many had come from generational slavery in Africa. Just like the Anglos the Africans practiced generational slavery and those people were branded with slave marks. So everywhere they went even if they gained freedom that Mark would remain and show everyone that they had been a slave. You can not be the same blood as me butt you want me in the Black Box with you. You want King Louis in the White Box because by erasing light skinned men you achieve a success for men with severed bloodlines. Yet envy is a sign of weakness and failure not strength and victory.

Again I have zero Sub Saharan African genetic markers on my father's side and my mother's side. This is scientific fact and can be proven also genealogically that my family migrated to North America from France and Egypt. Do some of the people in my family tree have Sub Saharan African roots? Yes but they're apart of my macro family not my father and mother. My father had an African mother so that darkened him, my mother had an dark skinned father but still still light skinned like all the women before her. Autosomal DNA can come from being added by other people but direct lineage paternally is a straight line. My line goes back way back before the mixing with African women which makes me unique than my father, brothers and other male relatives that are mixed with West African.

I'm unique and we don't even think the same or near any likeness. Many Creole men are in such predicament living in communities overwhelming those with Sub Saharan African thinking. You think you're a big man. Alot of African men think they're big men because that's the vibe of an African man. Its entertaining to observe, we're all human.

You don't really know what a Templar is like. It's a man that doesn't hunt or fish or joist. A Templar rises early and prays, works out, prays again, work, pray, work, pray, lunch, work, pray work, pray and eat dinner, rest and organize then pray before sleep. This is how many paternal ancestors lived for centuries and it is hard wired in my DNA. We are not the same. That's what you need to know. A lion is not the same as a goat. I don't ride the goat. I swore no oath that I'm unhappy about. When I gave my word I kept it. Yet I didn't give my word to the Devil. I don't promote nor condone Idolatry.


You have issues with tan skinned men and you want to box them into a corner. We are the original Catholic French and the real Catholic French are us. The White Protestant English rose in the 18th century after the fall of our beloved Kingdom of France. The White Protestant English changed everything that we outlawed because it went against the faith. We bought slaves and set them free because that was the Christian thing to do. It was the Jesuits from Spain who sold and owned slaves not the Franks. Nearly all the free People of Color are French Creoles. Africans had more slaves than the British and everybody combined so you can't talk nothing back.

Never mind all these (you can tell us your ancestors are green people from Mars😆), just study the two statements below and tell us if they are true.

As to Roman Catholicism, what do you call this below if not idolatry? And why are the Madonnas at the Vatican black?

michlins:
Jean-Paul Sartre: "Bad Faith"

People like you are the reasons Nigeria will remain like this. You create your own reality and then echo it from the top as reality.

So USA giving Iran $300bn is such a good thing and Trump even had to deny it at first.

Did Trump not game out the war before venturing into it? He didn't know he has a midterm election to win? Even his own Republican base are turning against him.

Do you think if Charlie Kirk was to be alive,he will ever support this unnecessary war? Do you know how influential the MAGA supporters who abhors anything new wars are?

You people sit here in Nigeria with your Hollywood movies fantasy coupled with your assumed connection to Israel via religion and assume that US is the winner.

Have you seen Israeli leaders coming out to condemn the whole deal. From Bibi, defense minister, opposition leader and everyone that mattered in Israel are condemning the deal. Trump is forcing Israel to get in line and accept the deal and even threatening them.

How exactly did US win please

You are definitely the one creating your own reality. How can you possibly say US has lost more in this war than Iran - all based on MoU that has not even been negotiated. You really think Trump will hand Iran $300B to buy weapons with no matter how desperate he is - and he IS desperate, only that Iran is even more desperate!

Someone said Iran are fools to agree with Trump on any deal at this time and the person is right. Right thing Iran would have done is refuse any deal till after mid-terms - only that they are even more desperate than Trump!

ariesbull:
Iran forced USA to pay the. 300 billion and you say USA is the world king

US hasn't paid Iran shi shi and will never pay Iran shi shi. They'll pay themselves to supply Iran critical stuff then collect from Gulf States and pocket it and supply more stuff. They'll control what Iran buys and it definitely won't be weapons

michlins:
Iran never had a nuclear weapon and wasn't on the path of getting one. Obama deal ensured they will never have a nuclear weapon but Trump out of spite ripped the deal apart and set the whole world ablaze.

Now Iran knows they don't need a number weapon to hold the world at hostage. Just bomb few ships at the strait of Hormuz and the whole world will listen to them.

Iran bombed everyone including Israel but only Iran is being given $300bn to reconstruct their infrastructure.

Tell me one thing that US got out of this deal

Are you kidding? These agreements give Trump huge respite till after mid-term eoections. These agreements are just so Trump can get through the elections. If Iran were not so desperate they should refuse any deal before the elections and let Trump be humiliated.

Of course Iran had nuclear program before the war - that is exactly what started the war. That and Trump's desire to punish Iranian leaders for killing civilians.

Before the war US and Israel and Iran had agreed on everything except ONE: Iran was still refusing to allow UN nuclear inspectors. Their last high-level negotiations were in Geneva on 26 Feb. (Trump had also been warning Iranian high command to stop killing civilians or they'll pay for it). Then on 28 Feb Israel struck and killed Ayatollah and his entire people (same Israel that is not even a part of these negotiations).

Iran had been laying mines in Hormuz years before the war. They didn't learn anything new.
US is the country that learnt lessons.
Hormuz and Hormuz-like terrorist attacks will now be taken into account in any war with a country like Iran. US lost some money but they have excess money, and the lessons they gained are worth more than the money, plus they made a lot of money exporting oil. Gulf States will now contribute immensely to their own defense and will be made Iran-proof. You can be sure the next US president that attacks Iran will not have those problems.

Of ciurse any agreement can be reneged upon or renegotiated (after mid-terms for example, or whenever).
And of course both sides will claim victory. So it boils down to who has CLEARLY had more permanent losses that are NOT reversible.

AS OF TODAY, IRAN HAS LOST BY FAR!

Neoteny:
What were Trump's stated objectives? If you're asking this then you're late to the game. In any case, see screenshot one.

We don't know what's in the MoU? Unlike you I've read it and it's exactly as posted here, see screenshot 2.

Iran lost? Go to any US media and hear the talking points about how Trump caved in. The agreement in the MoU favor Iran completely, otherwise why is Israel sore and feeling betrayed by trump?

I frankly don't care your opinion because you've not read the MoU nor are you even aware what Trump's objectives were from the beginning, and how none has been achieved. So clearly you're arguing from the perspective of pompous ignorance, perhaps because you cannot conceive of a world where the US loses and runs with its tail between its legs....like it did in Vietnam and Afghanistan.

So I'm done responding, spare yourself the trouble of any comeback.

*Tripple sigh*

He was told to post where Trump stated his objectives for the the war and he went to some obscure website. See the objectives below and state which one was totally unaccomplished.

Apparently you missed my last post. It should set you straight. Here it is:

WHERE did you read that these were US objectives for the war?? How many times has Trump said his only objective was to prevent Iranian nuclear. How many times has he said it was never regime change but that regime change had been unintentionally accomplished?

Before the war US and Israel and Iran had agreed on everything except ONE: Iran was still refusing to allow UN nuclear inspectors. Their last high-level negotiations were in Geneva on 26 Feb. (Also, Trump had been warning Iranian high command to stop killing civilians or they'll pay for it). Then on 28 Feb Israel struck and killed Ayatollah and his entire people (same Israel that is not even a part of these negotiations). These agreements are just so Trump can get through the elections. If Iran were not so desperate they should refuse any deal before the elections and let Trump be humiliated.

Again, any agreement can be reneged upon or renegotiated.

Of course both sides will claim victory, so it boils down to who has CLEARLY lost more:

AS OF TODAY, IRAN HAS LOST BY FAR!

ManknowThyself:
Nothing like biological mother in life!!!!!!!!

If we could find a way to make women love other children the way they love their biological children, this world would be a much better place

Neoteny:
Sigh 😔

Like i said, winning is not about who suffered the most material losses.

Victory comes in many guises.

There's military victory, there's political victory.

The US did not declare war on Iran, the US engaged in a limited strategic action to destroy Iran's nuclear stockpile, rid the country of it's ballistic missiles and drone capabilities, depose the IRGC and the ayatollahs, and prevent control of SoH.

Which one did it achieve? None.

The nuclear facilities are beyond reach

The ballistic missile threat still looms

The IRGC and Ayatollah are still in charge

And the Strait of Hormuz is even tighter in Iran's control.

So if the US did not achieve any of its set objectives, it has lost.

Just as it lost in Vietnam, Korea, Afghanistan, and Iraq despite overwhelming military firepower and massive devastation.

The global and national consensus is that Iran came out geopolitically, economically, and strategically stronger.

Have you seen the outpouring of grief in Israel?

As for the SPR, you're absolutely wrong that it's q global reserve. The SPR is US nationally reserve that's being depleted to keep gas prices, and inflation, in check. Each country has its won SPR. For guidance, see screenshot.

*Double sigh*

WHERE did you read that these were US objectives for the war?? How many times has Trump said his only objective was to prevent Iranian nuclear. How many times has he said it was never regime change but that regime change had been unintentionally accomplished?

Before the war US and Israel and Iran had agreed on everything except ONE: Iran was still refusing to allow UN nuclear inspectors. Their last high-level negotiations were in Geneva on 26 Feb. (Also, Trump had been warning Iranian high command to stop killing civilians or they'll pay for it). Then on 28 Feb Israel struck and killed Ayatollah and his entire people (same Israel that is not even a part of these negotiations). These agreements are just so Trump can get through the elections. If Iran were not so desperate they should refuse any deal before the elections and let Trump be humiliated.

Again, any agreement can be reneged upon or renegotiated.

Of course both sides will claim victory, so it boils down to who has CLEARLY lost more:

AS OF TODAY, IRAN HAS LOST BY FAR!

NIGERIAN pastor? This is the easiest question in the world