Royaldescent: If you're so edogamous then why you don't possess the Middle Eastern haplagroups? Other African groups that claim they're Middle Eastern have it. Loads of Ethiopians, Somalians have the J haplagroup and they don't claim to be the true Israelites like someone is robbing you of something you never had.
You don't realize how ignorant you sound. First of all you don't know the haplogroup of the original people in ME. Secondly, you should compare Igbos to other groups in West Africa, not people already close to the Middle East. Thirdly Igbos claim they left when Israelites were still in Egypt. No other group claim they left nearly that way back
LordReed: None of that means the universe stops existing.
It is not impossible if you have infinite time. All segments on the timelines are just discrete events. There is nothing we know that prevents that from being the case. It is like saying infinite numbers don't exist because discrete numbers like 10 and 100 exist.
"physical matter is potential rather than pure actuality" is a meaningless statement. The universe exists, it has always existed. There was no time when it did exist because there has never been nothing.
Bro are you using AI to craft these posts? LoLz.
No, these are my posts... but everybody uses Google.
As I'm sure you know, infinite regression is impossible in philosophy and logic because it leads to an explanatory failure, a lack of a starting power source, or a vicious circle where a final result is never actually reached. If every event or truth depends entirely on a prior one with no root cause or basic truth, nothing gets the chain moving.
This video perfectly explains it. It is impossible that universe has always existed.
Royaldescent: It's a lie. You marry whomever has the biggest booty
Unlike the Lemba, the Franks, or the Creoles, the Igbo people of Nigeria do not have a documented history of practicing strict genetic endogamy or cousin marriage. In fact, traditional Igbo culture strictly forbids marrying close relatives. Understanding how Igbo marriage laws actually work reveals why their genetic profile matches their West African neighbors rather than an isolated Near Eastern lineage.
The Igbo Rule of Exogamy (Marrying Outside the Lineage)
While groups like the Lemba used endogamy to isolate their gene pool, traditional Igbo society operates on a system of strict exogamy—the mandate to marry outside of one's immediate clan and lineage.
The Taboo of Incest (Alu): In Igbo culture, marrying a cousin (whether first, second, or even more distant) is historically considered alu (an abomination or taboo).
Lineage Tracking (Iju Ese): Before any traditional marriage can take place, families perform a rigorous background check called Iju Ese (asking questions). Elders from both sides trace their family trees back multiple generations specifically to ensure there is no shared bloodline between the bride and groom.
The Purpose of Marriage: For the Igbo, marriage was historically viewed as a tool for diplomacy, alliance-building, and expanding social networks across different villages. Marrying within the family would defeat the purpose of creating these broader tribal and economic alliances.
The One Exception: The Osu Caste System The only practice in Igbo history that resembles endogamy is the Osu caste system, but it functioned very differently from the aristocratic endogamy of the Franks or Creoles:
The Caste Divide: Historically, Igbo society was divided into the Dialas (freeborns) and the Osus (people dedicated to deities or shrines)
Forced Marriage Restrictions: Out of severe social prejudice, Dialas were strictly forbidden from marrying Osus [4, 5]. As a result, Osus were forced to marry only other Osus to avoid social ostracization
Not About Blood Purity: Unlike the Franks, who used endogamy to preserve "noble blood" and power, this practice was rooted in a spiritual and social taboo meant to segregate a marginalized group. It did not involve marrying cousins to keep wealth in the immediate family.
This shows how u don't know Nigeria. Igbos are known for being endogamous. See below. But they (like my people) also follow the biblical injunction not to marry close relatives to avoid in-breeding. I don't think you know what you're talking about. Diarisgodoo come school this total foreigner about Igbos!
WatchYourSix: Abroad, whether the paternity test comes out okay or not… the defrauded parent still has to care for the kids till they are 18….because there is a system that ensures parents care for their kids till they are 18 or 21.. .The real issue is that there is no effective legal system that enforces parents to care for their kids/wards till they turn 18 or 21 in Nigeria…. So it doesn’t matter whether you deny him right to a test or not… if he doesnt want to pay, he won’t pay and, being in doubt is what will make many men stop paying until they have closure….
There are stories of many men who kept paying for their teenage children despite finding out they were defrauded …Infact some father ddnt bother disclosing the real result to the child….so ur reason for denying him his truth is preposterous ….its like denying a company right to do background check because it can cause the employee to lose his or her job….
You don't understand. We're dealing with a case where the father happily accepted the infant, enjoyed raising it all through the delicious years, then when it comes to the troublesome teenage years he suddenly wants DNA test. There is over 95% chance he's the father of the child. The state is simply saying, forcus your limited resources on finishing raising the child to maturity!
Royaldescent: God cut off any Israelites that strayed from Him. Those who didnt keep the laws of the Most High and intermingled with pagan idolatrous women. The Israelites fell for big butts and a smile. And Im not talking about West African women, i am talking about Phoenician women like Jezebel whom King Ahab sought to make Queen of Israel. If you study Israel the break away kingdom that turned to Egyptian paganism and built calf temples that fell even more into pagan dark spirituality with herendous child sacrifices. They were also killing prophets which is silencing the righteous ones who objected. Do you know that's exactly how atrocities happen when you kill all the good ones?
If this is true that Igbos were lost Israelites then this above tells what happened to them. They traveled into the world of pagans and got consumed by the more dominant West African males. A small group only survives by practicing edogamy which is marrying their own cousins. The Lembe males seemed to have done just that and they preserved the laws which helped keep the pure bloodline integrity.
Creoles practiced edogamy too and this angered alot of African Americans who felt it was colorism but it was spiritual bloodline survival tactics. Our ancestors the Franks practiced Edogamy or what is referred to as patrilleanial inheritance. This noble Ancient Regime angered the peasant class of fair skinned people which fueled their cries of inequality and sparked the Reign of Terror known as the French Revolution. My forefathers were 2 percent of the population governing a 98 percent with an iron fist. In the age of Knights my ancestors easily defeated them with the Calvary charge and steel suits. But the introduction of the muskeets or guns and bombs changed everything. The peasants broke into the armoury and my family fled in 1791 for New Orleans. They did not guillotine King Louis but they did white wash European history. Frankish spiritual bloodline survived in Creole people and there's alot of us descended from King Louis.
The funny thing is that my people practice endogamy yet we're NOT claiming Israelites. But to be fair, Igbos also practice endogmy But no exiled Israelite group ever practiced engogamy for more than a few generations, which is why all OT Israelites are lost. The people in Israel now marry whoever they wish - but you're considered a Jew only if your MOTHER is a Jew.
Louisiana Creoles are not part of this discussion because their linage started with EXOGAMY. Also their own endogamy (to the extent one existed) only excluded dark-skinned blacks but not whites!
LordReed: Says who that nothing material can be eternal?
Your wizard is just in your imagination. The universe exists. I have more reason for my position than you.
Says BOTH Science and Philosophy:
Scientific reasons: The second law of thermodynamics states that the total entropy (disorder) of an isolated system always increases over time, meaning usable energy constantly wears out and will eventually reach a uniform, dead state known as the heat death. Proton Decay: Particle physics theory suggest that protons - the stable building blocks of atoms - will eventually decay over immense spans of time, meaning matter itself is unstable and temporary.
Philosophical Reasons: An actual infinite number of past events is impossible because you cannot add to an actual infinity or cross an infinite number of moments to reach the present day. Also, physical matter is potential rather than pure actuality; because matter changes and depends on external causes to be actualized, it cannot be self-existent or eternal.
WatchYourSix: I will indulge you… what is disruptive of a person finding out he was defrauded by his wife or hospital ??
I will equally indulge by answering a question whose answer is obvious. A broken home is disruptive to society. A fatherless teenager is disruptive to society and statistics proves it. Also, even if the husband turns out to be the father (97% chance), the demonstrated lack of trust can still break up the family!
LordReed: I said what preceded the big bang. The big bang is not the start of the universe. There was something before the big bang.
Bro positing a magic timeless wizard doesn't solve the riddle. Your magic wizard also needs something also powerful to produce it or else then I chose that the universe also didn't have a beginning.
My wizard exists outside all we know. The problem with your postulate is that the universe and big bang and whatever preceded them are material and nothing material can be eternal. So the universe and whatever preceded it cannot have always existed (which was your initial statement)
LordReed: Wrong. The universe didn't begin at the big bang which is what you are alluding to. There was something existing before the big bang and that is still consider the universe. The expansion of the space time continuum is only an event in the history of the universe, not its beginning. No one knows what preceded the big bang so the question still stand how do you know the universe is not all that exists and is therefore the so called first cause itself?
Like I said the universe didn't come into being at the big bang. It could very well be eternal.
Again we have no clue about the conditions preceding the big bang so to claim it came into existence is simply incorrect. You on the other hands are proposing a magic sky wizard who brought the universe into existence by magic but himself is uncaused. You just took the uncaused 1 step back but unlike you I don't need to propose a magic wizard I can simply accept that the universe is all that exists or has ever existed.
You said the universe itself could be eternal. Now you're saying whatever preceded the universe could be eternal (something that preceded something cannot be same thing it preceded!) Which one is it? Anyway, whatever it is must be timeless, spaceless, and immaterial - and unimaginably powerful. The cause must also be a personal agent with free will, because an impersonal, eternal set of conditions would produce an eternal effect, rather than a universe that suddenly began!
DiarisGodoo: I did not even think of this: Igbos are generally lighter skinned even before arrival of Europeans. Where did the light skin come from?
Royaldescent, add this to the long list. Maybe not all Igbos came from Israel, but there can't be so much smoke without at least some fire. That's my vote!
WatchYourSix: argument?? U call this an argument ?? Come on man.. Mayb u haven’t noticed, Dialoguing with u is a bit nauseating ….U juxtapose and equate things with no logical basis…
first it was …”the way we control abortion same way let’s control pple from checking if they actually birthed their own child” …then u said leave abortion
Next is ….the way we give document for marriage dissolution, let’s start giving certificate to pple to allow them test they were not defrauded by their wives or the hospital..
I mean .. what are u gonna pull next?? ……. “The way we control sachet alcohol …same way, let’s control pple from checking they were not defrauded by their wives or by the hospital…
U seem like a bored individual who just needs strangers to engage you….but your arguments are weird.. gosh !!
You engage in all these ad hominem attacks without giving us a single reason why something so disruptive to society should not be slowed down
LordReed: LoLz. Just say the first cause argument appeals to you.
Tell me why the first cause cannot be the universe itself or any other thing that is not a being.
In traditional philosophy and cosmology, the universe cannot be the first cause because it had a physical beginning, is bound by time and space, and undergoes constant change, meaning it requires an external and timeless origin rather than being self-generated.
Modern cosmology shows that space, time, and matter began with the Big Bang roughly 13.8 billion years ago. All physicists agree that our universe started to expand about 14 billion years ago,” Because it came into being, it cannot be eternal or uncaused.
Also, Physical matter depends on prior conditions and physical laws to exist, meaning it is "contingent" rather than self-sustaining or necessary. : A true first cause must be timeless, spaceless, and changeless to avoid an infinite regress of dependent events. As observed in classical philosophy, “The universe simply cannot be the uncaused first cause because it is filled with potentiality and change.” Something cannot bring itself into existence because it would have to exist prior to its own existence to act as a cause, which is a logical contradiction.
Royaldescent: My assessment aligns closely with the principles of population genetics and historical demographics. In Sub-Saharan Africa, as in many other parts of the world, small migrating groups historically became absorbed into larger, established populations over long periods.
Mechanisms of Population Absorption Asymmetric Gene Flow: Historical conflicts and slave raiding frequently resulted in the capture of women as forced concubines or wives. This practice introduces maternal DNA into the dominant host population while dismantling the distinct social and genetic structures of the smaller group.
The Genetic Swamping Effect: When a small population mates with a significantly larger population over dozens of generations, the unique genetic markers of the smaller group become highly diluted. Without strict, continuous isolation, their distinct genetic signature eventually disappears into the regional gene pool.
Male Lineage Replacement: If a migrant group faces high mortality among its males due to warfare or subjugation, the remaining females are typically absorbed by the dominant local male population. This rapidly replaces the original paternal lineages (Y-chromosomes) within a few generations.
Exceptions to the Rule For an outside group to maintain genetic isolation over thousands of years, very specific and rigid cultural mechanisms must be present:
Strict Endogamy: The group must enforce a powerful religious or cultural prohibition against marrying anyone outside their community.
Continuous Geographic Isolation: The population must remain physically segregated from neighboring groups, such as living in remote mountainous regions or deep deserts, preventing routine interaction.
The Example of the Beta Israel: The Beta Israel (Ethiopian Jews) maintained a distinct religious and cultural identity for centuries. However, genetic studies indicate that they are highly similar to neighboring Ethiopian populations, demonstrating that while they successfully preserved their cultural isolation, significant genetic mixing still occurred over the millennia.
If you are interested in exploring this topic further, I can provide more details. Would you like to look into:
What genetic studies reveal about specific African populations with oral traditions of Jewish descent?
How Y-chromosome and mitochondrial DNA are used to trace ancient migrations? Specific historical examples of strict endogamy successfully preserving genetic markers?
Genetic studies prove that the Igbo people possess 98% to 100% West African DNA, clustering tightly with other Niger-Congo-speaking populations. Comprehensive genetic tests, including an extensive DNA sampling project conducted in Nigeria, found zero Middle Eastern or Jewish genetic markers among the Igbo.
If we assume a historical scenario where a small group of ancient Middle Eastern migrants once integrated into the early Igbo population, their total genetic disappearance can be explained by specific mathematical and biological processes of population absorption.
1. The Mathematical Reality of Dilution (The Wave Effect)
If a small migrant population integrates into a much larger indigenous population, its genetic markers are exponentially halved with every generation of random mating outside the group.
Generation 1: An offspring of a migrant and a local has 50% migrant DNA. Generation 5: The proportion drops to roughly 3.1%.
Generation 10 (approx. 250 years): The proportion drops to less than 0.1%. Over 2,000–3,000 Years: Over nearly 100 generations of intermarriage with a massive West African population, any unique autosomal DNA segments from a tiny group of outsiders would become completely erased or too fragmented for modern commercial DNA kits to detect.
2. Complete Replacement of Parental Lineages Unlike autosomal DNA (which mixes), Y-chromosome DNA (paternal) and Mitochondrial DNA (maternal) are passed down completely intact. If a group maintains isolation, these markers remain. However, the Igbo show purely sub-Saharan lineages:
The Paternal Line (Y-DNA): The vast majority of Igbo males belong to the E1b1a1 (M2) and E1a haplogroups. These are deeply rooted West African lineages. Middle Eastern or Israelite populations are characterized by haplogroups like J1, J2, or T.
The Absorption Mechanism: If a small band of ancient male migrants arrived without women, they would marry local women. Their sons would carry Middle Eastern Y-DNA. However, if those sons faced high mortality or low reproductive success compared to the larger local population over millennia, or if local men later dominated the lineage, those outside Y-chromosomes could completely die out by chance via genetic drift.
3. Contrast with the Lemba People To understand why the Igbo show zero Middle Eastern DNA, it is helpful to compare them to the Lemba people of Zimbabwe and South Africa.
The Lemba also possess an oral history of Jewish descent.
Unlike the Igbo, genetic testing of Lemba men revealed a high frequency of the Cohanim Modal Haplotype, a specific Y-chromosome marker common among Jewish populations. The Lemba retained this genetic trace because they enforced strict endogamy (marrying strictly within the group) and severe social taboos against outside marriage. The absence of similar markers among the Igbo indicates that their ancestors did not maintain a strictly isolated, endogamous breeding pool over thousands of years.
4. Why the Israelite Narrative Exists The strong cultural identification with Israel among the Igbo did not emerge from ancient genetics, but rather from convergent evolution and colonial history: Cultural Parallelism: Pre-colonial Igbo practices like male circumcision, levirate marriage, and certain purification rituals naturally mirrored ancient Near Eastern customs. These are common traits among many independent, agrarian societies worldwide.
The Colonial Pivot: When British missionaries introduced the Hebrew Bible in the 19th century, Igbo intellectuals noticed these striking cultural parallels and adopted the "Lost Tribes of Israel" framework to explain their origins and resist colonial cultural erasure.
It is really laughable how you hang onto highly theoretical and speculative science as gospel Who performed the large-scale experiment that collected the DNA of a group thousands of years ago, integrated the group into another group, collected their DNA again, then compared it to DNA from thousands of years before? Answer: Nobody!
My people got the Bible and had intercourse with Europeans before the Igbos, so it is clearly not from that. Even enslaved Igbos carried the "from Israel" oral tradition to America. Even the name "Igbo" is said to be corruption of the name "Hebrew". And the name "Eri", son of Gad who was said to have left Egypt and founded Igbos, his name is all over Igbo land (see below). Plus a thousand other things, all pointing to same thing!
WatchYourSix: I dont have ur time Na nonsense u Dey talk… comparing abortion and paternity test… like wtf
Come on, I'm NOT comparing anything. Why don't we tell people to just divorce and go their separate ways?? Because divorce can be disruptive so we slow it down a bit. Same way, DNA can be disruptive so we slow it down a bit!
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WatchYourSix: Nobody just wakes up after 15years and decides to do DNA test just because they feel like… it doesn’t happen that way in real life..Thats why ur comments sound like u are just looking for mentions, which is why u haven’t let go of this stale thread for weeks
Something triggers a man to do such…he may find evidence on his wife’s fone, someone may have told them they know the real father of their children, or someone around them is always saying their children looks like their pastor which actually happened to a man in real life..
That's exactly why the state steps in just to make sure it doesn't happen. Just as in abortion or divorce. You don't just go get an abortion or divorce. The state makes it a little bit difficult. You have to go through a process and counseling. Same way, you can't just go get a DNA test willy nilly. You go through a process - which will discourage those wanting to do DNA test just because it is there!
WatchYourSix: I dont understand you…. Is this thread giving you some kinda ecstasy….or u are just very bored…??
Noble endeavour?? Look man or woman …. when it happens to you that there is evidence that that all your children might not be yours …
please….practice what you preach….
But we"er NOT talking of when there is evidence. That's different. We're talking of a family jejely going along just fine since birth of child to teenage years, then someone suddenly gets it into their head that the best use of the family's scarce resources is DNA test! We're saying that ought be strongly discouraged up to even laws made against such!
WatchYourSix: Madam .. enough of this ur upadan rage bait…
It’s not interesting anymore after the 3rd comment of first page …
are the mentions not becoming tiring … u will just exhaust yourself ..
Exhaust myself ke. How can I exhaust myself pursuing a noble endeavor of encouraging people to focus their money, time, and energy on raising their teenager instead of going on a fishing expedition that has 1-4% chance of them NOT being the father?!
DigitalTribe1: Scam What if the woman who gave birth to her all of a sudden start a super story and return the child(ren) to the biological father - who will the man do?
Women generally never do this, plus women are rarely sure who the biological father is. But this is NOT about all that. This is about raising the teenager to maturity in a stable home.
silibaba: Go and be fighting for costody of other mens children and leave us alone.
We prefer our own biology children and not almajiris. So if your wife go to the street have sex and give birth and concede it from you, you will be dancing, drinking and throw big bash for that?
Seun please deactivate all these genZ nairaland account.
You totally miss the point. It is not about husband or wife. It is about continuing to raise a child you've had since infancy to maturity in a stable two-parent household, instead of wasting money suddenly going for DNA fishing ecpediton in teenage years
Kobojunkie: That may be plausible to an extent. However, it does not explain the claim made by the other that all Igbos are Israelites. Some members of Igbo group have already had themselves tested at this point and the reason you have yet to hear any thing from them happens to be that there was no link found. https://forward.com/news/365443/african-lost-tribe-debates-dna-testing-for-jewish-roots/
2. Not everyone in Igboland is light-skinned, and also not only Igbos in Igboland who are light-skinned, both in Nigeria and all of Africa South, West, and East. So, that also does not work. 😒😒
The similarities are too many though, and very fundamental in nature. They're also the only people in West Africa claiming Israelite. My people, for instance, KNOW we are NOT from Israel though we probably got the Bible long before the Igbos. Not sure what it is, but there is definitely something there. That's my vote. You'd expect people who lived in coastal areas and constantly in touch with whites to be light-skinned. Igbos live in hinterland!
Kobojunkie: Chattel slavery is not American, though. It happened for many millennia right there in almost every community in Africa before America was imagined. 😒
American-style chattel slavery also happened in other places throughout history but never in precolonial Nigeria. See below
Kobojunkie: 1. Those you regard as the Jews are not known to be a distinct group of people. They are a mix of the many different tribes of Israel. And all of Israel had pretty much the same cultural framework --- the Law of Moses ---- from the get-go. The claim that they are lost comes mainly from the fact that the Israelites were regarded as lost sheep in the bible. Other than that, we know from the same book that many of the Israelites in the diaspora, over the years, gathered back to Jerusalem and mingled with their fellow Israelites long after their country had been destroyed. Some lived in the land of Judea among the other two tribes.😒😒
They are coiioquially called Jews though not all of them are. The people in Israel now are NOT the Biblical Israelites. The lost tribes were lost in the sense below
Kobojunkie: 1. Stop lying! If you are not DNA-linked to a group, you cannot claim to be of the same group. It is the rule in the world we live in.
2. Descendants are not by mouth but by DNA. If you do not have DNA proof to show a DNA connection, then what you are doing is stewing in a delusion.🤔🤔
3. All that is gibberish unless you can submit your Igbos to DNA to prove your claims? 🤔🤔
😅🤣 I think what likely happened is that by the time Israelites got to Igboland they were very few in number but had a very strong relationship with their God and His customs. They intermarried with the local people and "disappeared" but their strong religion and customs supplanted the weaker religions of the natives. This will also explain why Igbos are lighter skinned. Diarisgodoo Secretbloodline
OMG, seems you haven't changed one bit. But seriously, do you ever consider what happens if you don't reconcile yourself to God while you still have the chance?
Family › Re: Why Government Should Ban DNA Testing Of Minors by QuinQQ(op): 10:00pm On Aug 02
