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DMCA:
are u married?

Never mind me, just tell us the benefits of unwarranted fishing expedition expensive DNA on a teenager you've raised and loved from birth

LordReed:
Bro we've tried reasoning with you and after 14 pages you are still clueless and myopic. Further reasoning with you is a waste of time, you are not ready to be reasonable.

Can you please show a screenshot of a post of yours that displays this "reasoning"

DMCA:
how many children do u have?

Never mind me, just tell us the benefits of unwarranted fishing expedition expensive DNA on a teenager you've raised and loved from birth

DMCA:
must u force people to take care of other people's bastards?

This thread is NOT about forcing anybody to do anything. It is about preventing you from trying to create a problem (for society) where non exists - spending your scarce resources trying to prove that your teenager is not your child. A child you've raised and loved from infancy! Even if he turns out to be your child (which is 90% likely) the home may still break because you've clearly told your wife you don't trust her!

DMCA:
this one na society be her concern
abeg no born for one low life carry go give another man.
na beg i d beg u

Until some fatherless armed robber attacks you, you'll realize society ought be concern of we all.
We're more concerned with who raises a child than sperm donors.

DMCA:
See this wonderful story

Interesting, but it is out of the purview of this thread. We're only concerned with uwarranted fishing expedition DNA of children approximately 10 to 18 years of age!

reservd:
Why discourage DNA if one sense foul play? Please on what ground did the man accept the child in the first place? Are you encouraging "bonding and settled family " on false pretence? Isn't it fair for him to know the truth and do whatever he's doing with his full knowledge and awareness?

Thanks for simply stating your points instead of resorting to insults like some people (a certain LordReed comes to mind!)
Well, you'll have had a point if it were all about him, but it emphatically is not! There is the well-being and smooth-running of society at large to comsider.
Broken homes, fatherless children, and destruction of trust within the home - the only possible outcomes of unwarranted DNA fishing expeditions of minors raised from birth, do not in any.way contribute to any of that. Neither does it help the govt in it's responsibility to safeguard life and property (fatherless children are disproportionately manace to society)

LordReed:
There are now 13 pages of reasons to pack up your weak puerile argument but here you are still demanding a list. Shows you are lost in whatever dreamland you've created for yourself.

Exactly as I thought, you can't come up with a reason and therefore resort to insults.

I can tell you some disadvantages right away without insults - broken homes, fatherless children, and destruction of trust within the home (the mother has now been expressly told her husband doesn't trust her). Add to those the obvious fact that unwarranted DNA fishing expeditions of minors raised from birth do not in any.way contribute to govt's duty to safeguard life and property and have society running as smoothly as possible!

Chris225:
DNA exposes unfaithful and disloyal women
So yeah better be unhappy knowing the truth than live a life built on lies

And for a man not getting pregnant well
If you're immasculated your estrogen levels would be high so technically u become a woman 😏

You're just a joke

But it is NOT all about you! That's the whole point. There is societly at large to consider!
It is govt's duty to safeguard life and property and have society running as smoothly as possible. Unwarranted DNA fishing expeditions of minors raised from birth do not in any.way contribute to any if that. It does the opposite!

As for men getting pregnant, you're talking about yourself!

GenFunction:
Some people cant be helped.
I know that for sure .

You can say thst again. No matter how cogent the reasons you give them they'll still be repeating the same inanities like parrots!

Chris225:
Men with some dx conditions can have positive pregnancy test

Just saying 🥱

Low testosterone and high estrogen can make a man talk the way u do

Never mind all that, just enumerate for us the benefits of unwarranted DNA fishing expedition on a teenager - by the only father he knows and who has raised him from infancy.
I can tell you some disadvantages - broken homes, fatherless children, and lack of trust within the home

slimik:
You are a coward for advising men not to do dna and accept bastards. A fool is a man that lived all his live an never knew if he was sold truth or lies.

You are the coward for not realizing that the main concern ought be to prevent potentially destabilizing a settled family unit which will likely produce fatherless children and menace to society! If the man walks away who'd fill his obligation to that child? Is it not society and govt? ? The main aim is to prevent broken homes and allow children be raised with a father in their lives! You're a coward for not realizing that a man who has raised a child from infancy to teenage years is his father, for not realizing that unwarranted DNA fishing expeditions will only destroy ta family or destroy trust within the family!

LordReed:
You are not OK. People have pointed out to you all sorts of valid reasons why DNA testing may be required you are still here capping nonsense. Asking the state to curtail people's legal rights because you want to play ostrich. Abegi spare us your nonsense.

And what are the reasons? Can you please state them and say how they justify SUDDEN UNWARRANTED DNA FISHING EXPEDITIONS? Tell us how they justify costly DNA on a teenager by the only father he knows who had raised him from infancy!

Secretbloodline:
Omega Psi Phi fraternity Prince Hall, You're in here defending your frat boy Farrakhan son of most these men's enemy. So you're saying that if your Nigerian wife is pregnant for a white British man then you'll step up and play the Dad? Well that's the same thing as Farrakhan's origin and the offended man walked away and never looked back. The punishment for adultery is death but if the offended man chooses to walk away and leave the woman that is considered mercy and forgiveness. The child is not his to raise and since the child is his enemy's child as a man he's entitled to extract justice or show mercy. You love twisting the truth.


## The Secret Affair and the Birth Surprise
In a landmark 1996 interview with Harvard scholar Henry Louis Gates Jr. for *The New Yorker*, Farrakhan detailed the truth behind his family origins:
* **The Affair**: Farrakhan’s mother, Sarah Mae Manning, was an immigrant from St. Kitts. During a temporary separation from her dark-skinned husband, Louis Walcott, she had an affair with a white British man named **Percival Clark**.
* **The Revelation**: Manning did not inform her husband about the affair. When Farrakhan was born, his very light skin and straight hair instantly exposed the biological reality of his parentage. Though biologically a Clark, he was named Louis Eugene Walcott after the man his mother initially tried to start a life with.

So you know Farrakhan's history. Doesn't change the fact you're full of West African blood as a Louisiana Creole.

As for white kid, that's why the caveate that the man must have accepted the child AND bonded with him for several years!! That makes him his son and the law ought recognize no DNA can change that. He had the option of rejecting the child ab initio!

DMCA:
leave history joor
ur forefathers use to trek to travel, why u come d enter motor when u dey go journey?
is that not waste of money and insanity?
are u ok at all?

No, it is very helpful to have a car. What is not helpful is spending massive amounts of money trying to create a problem where none exists - trying to prove that your child is not your child. Suppose you are wrong, what does that say about how much you trust your wife??

IamAsiri:
That was not what your topic read.

The thread is about the govt recognizing that once a man accepts a child and bonds with the child for several years, that is his child!!! And there ought be a law encouraging him to focus on raising that precious child to adulthood (18), rather than spending time and 100's of thousands on DNA tests! Capisce?

CzarChris:
Interesting! Actually the government should make it a law that DNA tests has to be a must upon the birth of the child. Because first of all legally it's paternity fraud, breach of trust, and conspiracy to commit perjury(because she knowingly lied to the husband and other parties about the paternity of said child) and the government should make paternity fraud a punishable offense by way of sending both the woman and her illegitimate partner to prison without bail. Because it is a massive breach of trust and legally marriage is a contract and if one party goes against the terms of the contract there has to be consequences.

Scientifically, there are traits/genes that are passed on from father to children. Imagine giving birth to a child with epilepsy, sickle cell anemia, schizophrenia or any other mental health issues which is not found in the family? Let not even go towards the aspect of criminality like kleptomania which is also hereditary.

Paternity fraud is evil and should be completely condemned. Infact people should serve life sentences for it.

But this is NOT about parternity fraud. Remember, we don't know that there's been any adultery. This is about govt recognizing that once a man accepts a child and bonds with the child for several years, THAT IS HIS CHILD!! And making laws that encourage him to focus on raising that precioous child to adulthood (18), rather than spending time and 100's of thousands on DNA tests!

Remember there haven't been DNA tests throughout human history yet we have somehow managed to survive. All those diseases you mentioned can also be hidden in the lineage of someone you married. Also the opposite can also be true - the child could carry greatness genes

bentenny:
You are contradicting and confusing yourself.

In your initial post,you had insisted that a man must accept a child he has bonded with even if he later discovers that the child is not his.

You now recanted by saying if a man discovers child is not his but 'still accepts' the child,should not later disown the child sighting DNA test.

In the first post,you are compelling the man to accept his father role despite discovering a deception but in your latest post,you are saying the man has the right to decide to accept the child after discovering the deception but cannot later change his mind.

These are two different things.
The good news is that you have finally opined that a man cannot be compelled to raise a child after discovering he has been deceived.

This is one HUGE problem with NL - you may be debating someone who can barley comprehend what they read

WHERE in the posts did you see anything about "after DNA test"?? The thread is about banning DNA test for minors! Don’t you see the heading??

Both posts say the same thing!!! Which is - once a man accepts a child and bonds with the child for several years, THAT IS HIS CHILD! And there ought be a law encouraging him to focus on raising the child to adulthood (18), rather than spending time and 100's of thousands on a DNA test! Capisce?

LordReed:
There is nothing like unwarranted DNA fishing expedition. Our legal systems allow for any dispute to be resolved through testing. You are simply being stubborn and myopic. If anybody wants to contest paternity they are legally allowed to. You want the state to curtail our legal rights? This is myopic nonsense please. Come to your senses man!

You are the one myopic and needs come to your senses. Can't you people just see that a child you've raised from infancy to teenage years IS YOUR CHILD?! Can't you see that it is pure insanity for a Nigerian man to spend 100's of thousands on DNA for such child?? Are you people okay at all?

The suggestion is that the state step in with laws to help you do what you ought normally do - which is save your money and focus on raising your precious child!

DMCA:
yes, that is why it is called peace of mind kit, especially if ur type says dey are pregnant for him.

Peace of mind. So throughout human history DNA didn't exist there was no peace of mind?
Can't you just see that a child you've raised from infancy to teenage years is your child? Can't you see that it is pure insanity for a Nigerian man to spend 100's of thousands on DNA for such child? R u ok at all??

Secretbloodline:
Nonsense. A lion begets a lion and a goat begets a goat. Did you know Ifa Oracle is 99 percent accurate and only God knows 100 percent? Ifa Oracle is a male divination system invented by Orunmila an ancient Yoruba priest who obviously was a mathematician.

My j2 haplagroup is the same as my father Gerald de France and my great uncle John Henri de France the patriot, my forefathers in Flanders Merovingian Project all tested positive for J2 haplagroup. I tested positive for j2 haplagroup whilst in the US military Medical Center. A huge percentage of Creole men are descendants of King Louis and the original French Kings, Holy Roman Emperors, Kings of Poland, Sweden and Belgium. We share the same bloodline as the Palestinians who are paternally j2 haplagroup and the Spanish Crypto Jews in Mexico and Central America.

Funny guy
Keep deceiving yourself, making stuff up in your head😂 King Louis, Palestinians, haplogroup!
Here's real life below. Real life New Orleans Creoles like yourself, telling you that they are a mixture but mostly Sub-Saharan African blood.
One even posted her DNA test for all to see: 60% West African blood.
But whatever floats your boat. If conjouring up narratives in your head on Nairaland is how you get your kicks, then by all means...

Louisiana Creoles talk about their African ancestry

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXpvm0e3DBI?is=G-f3lysQeidNC9EX

DMCA:
See, DNA DIY kits dey everywhere, these days u just need to buy one kit online, do ur child an ordinary cheek swab and follow d instructions on d kit then wait for results
as dem d born dem, no to do am so that we no go end up raising another man's bastards due to ignorance and naivety.
How many children u plan born with other people carry give another man?

Lie. There is no paternity test you can complete at home. You must send to a lab.
Also, some jurisdictions (like this below) prohibit these kits even in US. We can do same in Nigeria.

Do you REALLY think a man ought spend his megre resources and time trying to prove that a teenager he's raised and loved since infancy is not his biological?

slimik:
Bro are you out of your fuvking? That's fraud !!!

What is fraud?

bentenny:
Read your initial post.....👇👇👇


Now compare both and see whether they are saying the same thing.

Of course I was saying the same thing. If you've raised a fairly grown child from infancy you can't suddenly start shouting DNA years later. You must wait till the child reaches maturity

Secretbloodline:
Maybe you aught not make a harlot into a house wife? Some women love it big and can't get enough even if it's from the enemy of her husband as long as she cums. Any man willing to accept one bastard an unfaithful woman shall bring may wake up and find all his children are his enemies. And then there's the thing of inheritance both spiritual gifts and physical assets passed down father to his son isn't shared by the bastard. A stupid man who accepts a harlot wife and her bastard children risks his estate passed on to his enemies.

See talk. I've told you before: there is NO WAY you can be sure your ancestors are your exact biological ancestors. The only thing you can be fairly sure about is that your mother is your biological mother!

But this is not even about all that. This is about maintaining a settled family unit till children are raised.

The state's concern is to discourage unwarranted DNA fishing expeditions. Once a man accepts a child and bonds with the child over years within a settled family unit, he can't suddenly start screaming DNA!

LordReed:
You want the state to block ALL DNA Testing of minors. That remains a shortsighted proposition and we are trying to get you to see that but your myopic view is drilled down to this one thing that no matter how many people tell you it is a terrible idea, you refuse to come to your senses.

Not at all. Haven't you been reading? The issue here is uwarranted DNA fishing expeditions. This is about settled families! We don't even know wether there had been infidelity. What we do know is that a man accepted a child from infancy, bonded with the child, and has been happily raising the child.
"Uwarranted DNA fishing expedition" is years later suddenly going on DNA amidst all that.
The state's concern is to discourage such, and encourage that the man saves his money and simply and happily keep raising a child that knows only him as farher and is very likely his biological child!
That's what the govt concern is - Uwarranted DNA fishing expeditions that are actually of no benefit to the family or society!

Ghtgh:
Obligation? You just want to be foolish for laughs🤣. Go raise every homeless kid then.

Obligation in the sense that on once a man accepts a child and bonds with the child and has a settled family that includes the child, he can't come out years later to start shouting DNA.
The state's concern is to discourage such uwarranted DNA fishing expeditions and have the man save his money and focuse on raising a child that knows only him as his only father, a child that is almost certainly his biological child!

reservd:
Did you bother to acknowledge the deceit on the man over the years to believe all he was doing was for his blood. Do you bother to acknowledge the pain and loss the man wil feel after knowing he has been living in a fool's paradise. If there was nothing wrong or crime in it, why not come out clean from the onset. Let the man know and decide himself to take care of the child and not to be deceived and used by another for selfish and manipulative reason

It is entirely up to the man to decide if he'd accept the child. But once he accepts the child and bonds with the child and have a settled family, he can't come out years later to start screaming DNA.
The state's concern is to discourage such uwarranted DNA fishing expeditions and have the man save his money and focuse on raising a child that knows him as his only father, a child that is almost cerrainly his biological child!

tundebasic:
Show the DNA result that all the children birthed by your parents aren't theirs. Till that time. You are just playing around. Who gets glory for a child who was forced on them? Not everybody can be that low. That is even if the man is alive when the kid becomes something. Children that women would lie about being the man's seed and then the man would take care of the children till he dies, then the woman will continue reaping rewards from the children (the children would keep taking care of her).

If government must permit paternity fraud, then you are saying they should also permit swapping babies.

This is neither about paternity fraud nor about adultery. This is about settled families and uwarranted DNA fishing expeditions. We don't even know wether there had been infidelity. What we do know is that a man accepted a child from infancy, bonded with the child, and has been happily raising the child.
"Uwarranted DNA fishing expedition" is years later suddenly going on DNA amidst all that.
The state's concern is to discourage such, and encourage that the man saves his money and simply and happily keep raising a child that knows only him as farher and is very likely his biological child!
That's what the govt concern is - Uwarranted DNA fishing expeditions that are actually of no benefit to that family or society!

CzarChris:
I Before you got up to type that nonsense up there, did you stop to imagine the psychological damage to the man? The betrayal? The heartbreak? That your write up there is nothing short of the highest level of demonic witchcraft. Do you know how many men, that kind of betrayal led to suicide? You denied a man the dignity of passing on his legacy and you call that what? How do you even sleep at night with this kind of mentality?

Passing on what legacy? Here's what I wrote earlier:

Nature gave WE animals an extremely strong instinct to have OUR genes survive and most of our actions are dictated by that instinct. But as humans with brains why must we be exactly like lower animals?? We ought USE OUR BRAINS to see that survival of our particular genes benefits us NOTHING! What is important is that we live a fulfilled, satisfying life that includes as much of life as possible, including fatherhood!

As for the rest, that's outside our discussion. What we are discussing here is uwarranted DNA fishing expeditions. This is about settled families! We don't even know wether there had been infidelity. What we do know is that a man accepted a child from infancy, bonded with the child, and has been happily raising the child.
"Uwarranted DNA fishing expedition" is years later suddenly going on DNA amidst all that.
The state's concern is to discourage such, and encourage that the man saves his money and simply and happily keep raising a child that knows only him as farher and is very likely his biological child!
That's what the govt concern is - Uwarranted DNA fishing expeditions that are actually of no benefit to that family or society!

99thEnemy:
So, are you saying the man has no right to know if he is the biological father of the child he is raising?

Are you saying a man should spend years investing emotionally and financially in a child, but he should not have the right to know the truth?

If a DNA test reveals a problem, did the DNA test create the problem, or was the problem already there before the test?

Why should the solution be to ban the tool that exposes the truth instead of addressing the deception that caused the problem?

Are you now saying ignorance is better than truth because the truth may be painful?

What about the child's right to know his or her biological identity, ancestry, and medical history?

If someone commits paternity fraud and a DNA test exposes it, do we ban DNA tests or do we address the fraud?

QuinQQ, the problem with this argument is that it tries to force a particular social outcome instead of addressing the root problem.

Because some people may make decisions others disagree with after learning the truth, you are arguing that they should be prevented from knowing the truth in the first place.

A man who discovers he is not the biological father and still chooses to raise the child should be respected. But that decision should come from his own choice, not from being kept in ignorance.

You cannot force genuine love, commitment, or responsibility by removing someone's ability to make an informed decision about something this important.

Why not let the man know the truth and allow him to decide what kind of father he wants to be?

Thanks for your erudite input without insults.
Remember we've not had DNA all through history and we've somehow managed to survive.
Also remember your ancestors might not be your boological ancestors. What difference has that made??

The issue here is uwarranted DNA fishing expeditions. Remember we don't know that there had been infidelity. What we do know is that a man accepted a child from infancy, bonded with the child, and has been happily raising the child.
"Uwarranted DNA fishing expeditions" is years later suddenly going on DNA amidst all that.
The state's concern is to discourage such, and encourage that the man saves his money and simply and happily keep raising a child that knows only him as farher and is very likely his biological child!

Odianose13:
You need mental reassessment.

You too. But never mind all that, state your refutal of the thesis point by point

equityjake:
If any pregnant woman from nowhere comes out and claims you impregnated her, you automatically becomes the father once the child is born right ?? It’s sad that we have so many people that reasons this way in government. You are so selfish that you so much want to take away the ability of a man to make choices for himself. Why should anyone be forced to raise a child he didn’t father I want a logical and clear explanation.

Why can't folks simply read what is actually written instead of what's in their heads?!

This is about SETTLED families! we don't even know wether there had been infidelity. What we do know is that a man accepted a child from infancy, bonded with the child, and has been happily raising the child.
"Uwarranted DNA fishing expedition" is years later suddenly going on DNA amidst all that.
The state's concern is to discourage such, and encourage that the man saves his money and simply and happily keep raising a child that knows only him as farher and is very likely his biological child!
That's what the govt concern is - Uwarranted DNA fishing expeditions that are actually of no benefit to the family or society!