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Appleyard:
Tell me: the Bosnian war, the Kosovo war, the Afghanistan war, the Libyan war, etc, NATO didn't attack the nation involved or the nation attacked them first?

all those wars were reactionary attack for an earlier attack on the interest of NATO member states.

none of it was an outright attack by NATO. it's a defensive alliance and they always stay that way.

DerrickzB:
Finland’s terrain is impossible to conquer, Russia lost 700k plus troops!! I know that, but do you know how many territories Finland lost?? The peace treaty of Moscow saved Finland bro!! There was no defeat, the league of nation kicked Russia out of the league hence promoting the peace treaty man!! And Hitler invaded Russia, how did he get it We can’t remove the fact that Russia is powerful bro

Hitler didn't invade Russia, He invaded the USSR. Big difference. His Army did get to Moscow but instead of taking the city and ending the invasion decided to change plan and capture the oil fields in Ukraine and then got stuck in an ego fight over Stalingard and winter came.

Russia is powerful and so is Finland. Wait do you think staying neutral comes from weakness?
Finland Military is more modern than Ukraine and they have something that Ukraine didn't have. The European Union.
The EU has identical defense treaty as NATO so if Putin is bold enough to attack Europe then his end is even more near than I thought and would save the world a lot of stress

Igbofam:
Russian supporters do not actually have sense so this your question would still not be understood by them

bro you were not wronged at all

Appleyard:
Lmao. Even blind Bathemos knows R is for Republic. But who is the head, central and sole inheritor of that Republic? Russia.

Get sense.

Even many western writers today equate present day Russia to the then Soviet Union, and is rightly so because the Union was initiated by Russia, led by Russia and after collapse, Russia inherited it's assets and liabilities.

You even quoted an article to proof this same point. Russia didn't inherit shit and isn't a successor to crap.
It's the US that you all love to hate that made it possible if not, Russia would have started from Ground Zero and there would have been a power vacuum at the UNSC. Just like they did for mainland China.

Russia isn't the USSR, they don't speak for the USSR that no longer exist.

It's how you guys are so dulled but will be quick to shout western propaganda that is it for me

Appleyard:
Yes, you can hold Dangote cement accountable especially if it inherited the asset and liabilities of the liquidated Dangote Group of Companies.

No you can't...

Appleyard:
Every sane thinking person knows that the Nationalized American Terrorists Organization' (NATO) is the main cause of this problem right now, and will so be for many years to come. NATO is supposed to be a defense Bloc but has spent all of it's years attacking nations that never attacked them. It's the geopolitical aircraft carrier and forward base propagating US imperialism and hegemony.

Propaganda upon propaganda.... NATO has never attacked any country first. Don't know where you carry your own source from

Appleyard:
Really? Tell me you're kidding.

Ask Cuba.

dude do you actually know anything about anything??

DerrickzB:
Are you aware that Ukraine is almost 2times bigger than Finland?? And Ukraine is in ruins!! Russia would swallow Finland bro!! Let’s hope such doesn’t even exist!! There is a reason Russia is a world power and america has avoided direct confrontations with them!! If you think Russia has rolled out 20% of their arsenals then you are being deceived and just so you know, The chenchen soldiers, LPR and DPR militias and very little units of Russia soldiers are the ones fighting the Ukraine war!! If Russia pulls up actually, forget it..

you mean the same Finland that defeated the USSR. The defeat that gave Hitler the final push to approve the invasion of the Soviet Union.

You have Internet, Google the terrain of Finland. It's almost identical and even worse than Afghanistan and the later is known as the cemetery of Super powers

DerrickzB:
When I see comment like this, I don’t reply usually but I have to reply this, NATO and Russia has an agreement of no further NATO expansion tor he East, what is NATO coming to the east for?? Your enemy can’t keep expanding to your neighbors house and you sleep in peace.. no way bro

there was no agreement with Russia. Russia is not the Soviet Union.
The Agreement was more a gentleman agreement. If I do this, you will do this right?

If we let you Unify Germany and induct them into NATO, you won't try to poach other countries in Eastern Europe.

You guys will be shouting agreement up and down but have no clue what it was in the first place

engrfaruq:
How would the US react if Russia decides to station nuclear warheads in Mexico, I guess by your analogy, Russia is free to associate with Mexico na, abi no be so?

Yes they are free but Mexico would never dream of it because unlike Russia, the US don't bully its neighbors.

You get it now... If you're good to your neighbors, they don't seek foreign help.

Same scenario is playing out in South China Sea where China is claiming they own it despite being told they don't. When those neighboring countries now chose alliance with America to push back China's aggression, you guys will come up with the stupid take "how will America feel if China stations weapons in Mexico, yen yen yen".
You guys never ask why those countries chose such alliance in the first place.

Appleyard:
The central of the Republic is Russia.

Every kindergarten knows that R actually means Republic, but Russia is the head of that Republic and hence it's sole inheritor of all that constituted the Republic's power.

inherit which Republic power. You guys and spinning around. It's like a trademark for you guys.
You didn't know the R was Republic and when you were corrected as usual you decide to spin it around.

Guess the country that made Russia relevant as opposed to the other members of the SU?
The country you guys love to hate, America.

Same way the made Mainland China relevant instead of Taiwan. And in all this, what they get in return is hate.

3headedgoattt:
If you can read pls help yourself

Let me ask you a simple question. If you have a contract with Dangote Group and for some hypothetical situation, the Dangote Group liquidate and its subsidiaries are now stand alone companies. Can you now hold Dangote cement accountable for a contract you had with Dangote Group of Companies??

Depends on the terms of agreement when the loan was disbursed

poor construction... from design to execution

Krismas:
U don’t know wot u talking about. Where do u want people in Crimea to go?

Do you even know the history of Russia?

first comment to you, I said their history didn't start in 1900. You bring something up in 1954 and laugh about it.

Common sense sha o!

Krismas:
At least they have been one close to a century. What does that tell u? It’s certain Ukraine would lose most of its Eastern states to Russia after this war. Many eastern Ukrainians feel like they are Russians

there were never one... how many times must it be pointed out... First time and under USSR, Ukrainian were forced into the alliance by conquest not something they accepted voluntarily.

Ukraine government don't have problem with what people feel, they problem is that they don't want to cede any Ukrainian territory to Russia. so if you feel Russian, move to Russia.
Very simple solution

but when you put an egomaniac in the mix, this hullabaloo is what you get

Krismas:
The nukes were all Russian Nukes to begin with. Folks like u never seem to gerit that the two countries were actually one for close to a century. Too many Russian assets in Ukraine, too many Russian people and properties in Ukraine. Russia cannot afford to lose Ukraine to the west

They were never one... Reason Ukraine always strive for independence at every given chance. Go and read their history. The world didn't start in 1900

Israel must have Jerusalem, there is no two ways about it.

If Mecca can't be challenged so should Jerusalem be

fairheart:
You sounded so educated, yet you do not understand geopolitical games. Russia is not weak; I can tell you that Russia is not weak.
What's happening in Ukraine is not a test of capabilities, but sheer decimation -- to make the Ukraine infrastructurally, economically, and financially weak. With this visibly seen, the idea that Ukraine will not join NATO is not fully registered and is being accepted by the whole of the EU.

Secondly, consider that Russia is not a weak state. Russia is the only country that has been able to stop the U.S military agenda in the middle east, with Syria being an example. There is still a government in Syria because Russia's military and bases are there, despite the U.S pushing for the removal of Assad.

Also, the heavy casualty is expected of any army involved in urban warfare as there is a high risk of exposure. Urban warfare is the most difficult, and so a country with the strong army is at risk of losing, and this could be the U.S, or China.

One thing I do see as a major weakness on the part of its military if you understand Russia's military history is the morale of its army. The soldiers are unwilling to fight. When it comes to weapons, Russia is one of the best 3 countries with the most effective military hardware, and that is why they are the second-largest producer of weapons in the world. A country cannot be the second-largest arms supplier if it does not have military prowess. According to some analyses, Russia has the best air defence system in the world and some of the most efficient submarines. And do not forget, the country is also a major leader in space technologies and others.

I want to believe that if the invasion of Ukraine were to be an all-out war, Ukraine's Capital would be in ruin by now. Or do you think they couldn't strike the capital? They can! But this is not an all-out war! Remember their goal is to weaken Ukraine so that it becomes unsuitable for EU membership and force it to abandon NATO membership.

I read here how Nairaland kids compare Russia to Nigeria; while Russia may not be right with its invasion, it does not make it a less country, stooping so low that anyone would compare it to Nigeria or even any country in the EU. The largest country in the world, with 11-time zone or so, one of the 3 largest producers of wheat, oil, and other vital products the world depends. No matter how terrible she is faring in its military activities in Ukraine, Russia is still a nation of global importance and a strategic country. That is why other global players like Germany, China, India, Saudi Arabia, South Africa, Qatar, and so on deal with it and continue to deal with it.

Whether Russia wins or loses, its global importance will not vanish. In fact, I suspect that the outcome in Ukraine will make Russia further modernize its army for the next generation of war.

My position is that dialogue is the best method. Weapon never makes peace, but pieces. I hope you learn a little!

did you just say Russia stop the US in Syria... Smh.. if the US wanted Assad gone, he'd have been from there even before Russia entered the war.
NATO presence in Syria was against terrorism, ISIS not the Civil War in Syria.
That's a whole different scenario.

Imagine NATO in a country for 2 years and there's no regime change. that's laughable

newdawn2017:
d wests re many countries together. So why ve those many countries ( west ) not invaded mighty mother Russia? If they think she is a lad?

because nobody ask poor old mother Russia to invade a sovereign state.

If you want to see if the west can invade Russia, the conditions are already outlined since time immemorial, all they have to do is fulfill their part and watch Russia fall like a pack of Cards

Heathrow44:
yes that's true, but we know US was the main signatory to the treaty, it was a US led alliance but.u re right, US AND NATO ARENT DIFFERENT BUT EVEN NEW SOURCES LIKE BBC, CNN, ALJAZERRA USE IT LIKE THAT COS US IS THE LEADER, sometimes u also hear US, UK and the EU

NATO is an alliance of which US is part of so separating them is an error.
Those media publication only use "US led NATO", haven't seen US and NATO.

EU is different from NATO, US and UK aren't part of EU.
Like you can't say France and EU or Germany and EU

Heathrow44:
go and read the NATO agreement or treaty, US and NATO can't send fighter jets to a non nato country, they are bound to protect each other during war, US and NATO would have taken caution even though Ukraine was a nato member not to talk of when they are not, US has been sending wat and wat exactly? can Russia really prove US presence or aid to Ukraine, US has only engaged Russia through economic sanctions and blockades and has refused military intervention for the sole purpose of not inviting WW3, NATO countries supplying arms to Ukraine are all in the news but they end up in.the polish border, When u close the skies over Ukraine it means a US made fighter jet would have to engage a Russian jet and that's dragging US into the war, wat US has only done is indirect arming of the Ukraine resistance and there's no known provocations as it isn't a direct attack and Russia doesn't see it as so yet, Russia mind u can also seek military assistance from its allies like China but it seems China is trying t stay neutral

why do you guys like saying US and NATO?
I mean you can't never say flour and cake right

Mooh247:
Putin is getting more ruthless and angry. I see him rain in more long range missiles this week after the train station bombardment killing 39 people... Russia's missiles are mostly undectectable by radar so for now only Fighter Jets , Drones or S300, S400, Patriot missile defence system can save Ukraine

Armoured vehicles can only protect few ground troops and VIPs

It's not a video game where you just select weapon and start using it. F-16, Rafale, Typhoons are all different systems to what Ukraine understand. It'd take months of practice for Ukraine to declare those jets combat ready.
Same with the Patriot systems. it has FoF identification system, taking one from US to Ukraine will also target Ukraine jets and missiles as it would identify them as Foe not Friend.

You guys need to chill with the emotions

[quote author=ElijahIme1992 post=111709731][/quote]Read! Read!! Read!!!

America and her allies were in Syria for ISIS.
They were not there to remove Assad which is the point of the Civil. Only Turkey has interest in removing Assad.

I said so in my comment but it's not surprising you don't read

ElijahIme1992:
looooooooooool NATO was not in Syria so who was arming the rebels? Oga if u want me to school you in international politics just say please...

obviously the only thing you're good is laughing without making any sense.

Do you know where Syria is? that you're talking about arming rebels. When the liberators can easily get weapons in their region.
Can you point out their America issued weapons those "rebels" are using?

It's amazing how you can wallow in ignorance. It must be a tough job for your brain having to be stuck with someone like you

ElijahIme1992:
Looooooooooool Adult wey dey run.... Since you say NATO strong make Dem put hand na... NATO say Saddam Hussein na dictator Dem comot am for power, NATO say Gaddafi na dictator una comot am for power, NATO say Assad of Syria Dem nearly comot am for power until Russia intervene now NATO say Putin na dictator Oya go comot am for seat na...

I can see you don't even know half of what you're talking about.

- Sadam Hussein like Russia invaded and occupied Kuwait illegally. Ignored UNSC directive to leave Kuwait territory. The first Gulf War was authorized by UNSC. Guess who else is on that council? Russia and China.
North Korea sanctions is authorized by the same council but guess the only country that is trying to enforce that order to make the council relevant? Yeah, the Bad guy America.
If Russia was so strong, why did the vetoed the UNSC resolution at the beginning of the war?
Sadam fate for reach Putin by now.

- I don't know how you guys enjoy wallowing in propaganda and making a fool of yourself on a public forum.
NATO was never in Syria for Assad, he would've been long gone by now. NATO was in Syria to eliminate ISIS. the same terrorists that was backing ISWAP but do they get a thank you from Dundee like you. No.
It's only Turkey that wants Assad gone to stop the inflow of refugees into Turkey but I bet you don't know that either.

At least educate yourself first before replying me. Not everybody here is ignorant on important issues

InoGetJoy:
I don't know about that but the Russians and Ukrainians are genetically the same people

they are not genetically the same people. Are they twins?

At least go read the history of Ukraine and Russia first.
Then you'd understand why Ukraine always seek independence from Russia association at every given opportunity.
The fall of the Soviet Union wasn't the first time Ukraine was independent from Russia.

mactoni91:
Olodo...

This beats Russians fastest missile BrahMos by far...

Make researches before debunking claims.

Imagine hitting Abuja from Lagos within 5mins

BrahMos is a supersonic missile not hypersonic

joyandfaith:
I get it.

You dey allow that guy whyne you. Zircon missile that's shoot from an aircraft cannot travel at Mach 10.

InoGetJoy:
Russia developed the basics of stealth aircraft

Funny people... anything Soviet is credited to Russia when majority of the Soviet scientists were Ukrainians.

Rugaria:
The one that destroyed Libya and Syria? Same Barak that supported ISIS in Iraq and Syria and helped the French bomb the presidential palace in Abidjan? Barak that helped the British to reimpose colonialism on Nigerians by forcing a disaster called Buhari down our throats? You don't know that guy! He was a disaster for Africa. If we have to choose between the two, George Bush was far better for this continent than that lanky bimbo.

Blame game,
can never take responsibility. Everything is always someone's else fault.

I really hope you succeed in life with this sort of mentality.

ElijahIme1992:
then make those countries attack Russia na since dem join NATO...

childish comeback... boy bye.