₦airaland Forum

Bentizil:
Why are you guy like this.. Which national secret did he leak??
Is exposing US crime in iraq, Afghan a national secret?

Oligarch when it's Russia but successful business men when it's the West...

Now it's national secret when it's West but war crime when it's Russia right??
I'm just tired of this hypocrisy, like wtf..

Read before you understand before you become emotional. any small thing hypocrisy this hypocrisy that.
Did you guys just learn the word? Like hypersonic?

Nobody said exposing US crime whatever that is, is wrong. He's crime is having hands on Classified information and exposing it. One he doesn't have the right or the rank to know those info. That is a crime on its own. Exposing it is another crime

Classified Documents are protected by law whatever info is hidden inside is not the issue. Before you cry hypocrisy again, know that it's not only the US that the law works.

ericmani:
How about we focus on the wrongdoings of America and the war crimes they committed? No it’s the journalist that we must blame for bringing out the truth. Typical Nigerian, no wonder we’re suffering in this country.

ever heard of two wrongs don't make a right?
Just because you know someone is a thief, you can't go to his house and kill him. You'll be charged as a manslaughter.

He should have looked for any other way to bring whatever crime to light. He had the documents, he knew the perpetrators, he knew the victims. He would have gotten their story and make it an exclusive.
Then use the document as a bargaining chip in case of persecution.

But no he willingly and knowingly committed a crime punishable by the law

walkbrazil4k:
He committed no crime, if this was china or Russia the west would be crying everywhere,pure hypocrisy

so why is he fighting to not be extradited there?
He did nothing wrong right and he has a robust legal team...Easy win and he's a free man

Vaughanlanrewaj:
Please do not bring in bigotry and shallow arrogance from deep ignorance.
In the first place, Jerusalem is not only for Judaism and Christianity like most ignorant folks think. By virtue of the link that both Islam and Christianity has to Abraham, the Judaism and Islam faithfuls are related. As a matter of fact, both faiths believe that the resting place of their Patriach Abraham is Jerusalem.

Secondly, I suspect that you know nothing or very little about Al-Aqsa mosque in Jerusalem. That mosque is one of the Holy sites in Islam and Islamic faithfuls go there on Holy pilgrimage especially during the last 10 days of Ramadan. The mosque is just seperated by a wall from the Holy sites of Judaim faithfuls.

Mecca is not fought for by Christians for obvious reasons you do not know; the Isrealis there were itenerant business folks before the city became an Islamic city and unlike Christianity, Islam as a religion came much years after Christianity.

Fimally, not everyone insisting on justice is a Muslim. I am appalled that an Isreali security operative assasinated that innocent and defenceless woman and still used batons to beat mourners carrying her coffin. It was completely despicable. I am sure that if it was in Nigeria this happened, hypocrites will go all over the social media to call for the head of the security officer who killed Shirleen Abu Akleh. I suspect that you will be among them.

If US has deployed the same political will it is using to dole out billions of donation, loans and military aids to Ukraine for supporting the 2 state solution to help the Palestinians suffering from Apartheid in their own land or compel Isreal to return the Golan Heights to the owners, the hypocrisy of US and the west won't be so obvious.

It is the chicken coming home to roost. Russia is doing to Ukraine same thing Israel is doing to Palestine. Incidentally, while the Palestinians are being killed by the Isrealis in small numbers , Russia is practically killing Ukranians in droves and redrawing the map of Ukraine. That is the problem with injustice; injustice to one is injustice to all.

It is immoral of EU signing a gas deal with Isreal at this time and if I am EU, I will ditch Isreal gas and go for Nigerian gas. Nigeria will not be using the proceeds of gas to buy artillery kill citizens of another nation.
That murder of Shirleen is completely atrocious and UN must get justice for her and her children.

I hate being right on this platform.... Like I said, sat down in your house to cook propaganda.

Look at the epistle you wrote and what I said, completely made up from no where, I said Jerusalem is one of the significant core of Judaism and Christianity.
Never said Islam has no place in Jerusalem, is it the English that's hard for you to comprehend.
Next, you said you're not a Muslim like when did I ever insinuate that, you just come up with this crap out of thin air.

I'm glad you said, Islam came much later after Christianity which makes Israel claim of Jerusalem more important so saying the Mosque in Jerusalem is one of the Holy site means less historically in the grand scheme of things.

All these point to what I said earlier, Jerusalem must be solely Israel and not shared, there are Muslim population in Israel, they can use the Mosque but Palestinian saying Jerusalem is a must for them shows they are not ready to negotiate in good faith.

All the archeological findings in. Jerusalem are more in tune with Israelite history and heritage than with Palestinians so how is Jerusalem theirs? Because they built a Mosque there, it is suddenly theirs?


Comparing Israel Palestine to Russia Ukraine shows you don't even know what you're talking about and I can't blame you cause you know the whole sitting down in the house to come up with propaganda thingy

Vaughanlanrewaj:
You really got it sir! It is this hypocrisy of EU and the West that the Arabs have been complaining about and explains why the Arabs never joined the west in condemning Russia. Al Jazeera has aired a few debates on this double standard when the West and EU turn a blind eye to same crime Isreal is committing against the Palestinians but want others to condemn Russia. It will not work if it does not promote justice. Just few days ago, Isreal forces killed a defenceless US-Palestinian journalist, Shirleen Abu Akleh, while covering a protest and followed up by using batons on those carrying her coffin yet the West kept quiet and went on to now reward Isreal with a multibillion dollar gas contract.
Hmmm.EU is fishing in troubled waters.

I will be the least surprised if this plan fails. They should have opted for Nigerian gas instead.

Should I pull up that Journalist dead report on all the major news outlet you guys term western media?

You go just stay for your house cook western propaganda. no research, no facts just propaganda and inshallah.

Go check how many years now, the US has been petitioning Israel to embrace a 2 state solution to the Palestine conflict.

The want Jerusalem, something any sane person will know can't happen. Jerusalem is one of the significant core of Judaism and Christianity. Can they Muslim give up Mecca even when historically Mecca didn't belong to them unlike Jerusalem?

Kingsnairaland:
Move along I don't have time for insult.

and you think that was an insult.

now I'm forced to ask, how old are you and your level of education?

DYK bright people do have dumb ideas and dumb people occasionally have bright ideas.

For future purpose, that your reasoning is stupid doesn't necessarily mean you're stupid, you could be but It doesn't mean that.

ciao

Kingsnairaland:
If you suddenly decide to declare Russia an international aggressor, read these facts and figures. Over 3 million people - that's how many foreigners the US military has killed in 60 invasions of sovereign nations under the pretext of bringing "democracy"?
Cuba (1906) - ?
Nicaragua (1912) - ?
Haiti (1915) - ?
Dominican Republic (1916) - ? 29
Russia (1918) - 2,000
Japan (1945)- 246000
Philippines (1948-1953) - 160,000
Puerto Rico (1950) - 29
Korea (1950-1953) - 570
Guatemala (1954) - 100000
Lebanon (1958) - ?
Panama (1958) - 734
Laos (1959) - 3,000
Haiti (1959) - 2204
Ecuador (1960) - ?
Guatemala (1960) - ?
Dominican Republic (1965) - 2500
Vietnam (1964-1975) - ? 850132
Guatemala (1966) - ?
Indonesia (1966) - ?
Philippines (1966) - ?
Cambodia (1967) - ? 300.000
Laos (1971-1973) - ?
Nicaragua (1972) - ?
El Salvador (1977) - ? 75.000
Grenada (1983) - ?
Libya (1986) - ?
Iran (1980) - ?
Lebanon (1982) - ? 144000
Grenada (1983) - 141
Libya (1986) - 45
Honduras (1988) - ?
Iran (1988) - 290
Virgin Islands (1989) - ?
Panama (1989) - ? 734
Iraq (1991) - ?
Bosnia and Herzegovina (1992 - 1995) - ? 98.000
Somalia (1992 -1994) - ? 1,000
Haiti (1994) - ? 200
Sudan (1998) - ?
Yugoslavia (1999) - 5,700
Afghanistan (2001-2021) - 103000
Iraq (2003-2011) - 690000
Iraq (2011-2017) - 170000
Liberia (2003) - 150000
Pakistan (2004) - 108000
Libya (2011) - 40000
Syria (2013) - 2286
Yemen (2015) - 11000
Cameroon (2015) - ?
Libya (2015) - 1,000
And then there were the color revolutions perpetrated (or thwarted) by the US in Georgia (2003), Ukraine (2004, 2014), Kyrgyzstan (2005), Tunisia (2011), Armenia (2008, 2015), Russia (2010, 2013), Belarus (2020), and Kazakhstan (2022).
The sanctions imposed on the US for this age-old international terrorism are 0.
Judge for yourself. No politics, just numbers.


I will continue to show you the evils of USA so that you can become use to them killing others while you surport them

As long as you support them you have not justice inside you this then makes all your holy attitude false.

funny how when Russia is in question you bring up USA as your response.

Using your analogy, there are thieves, politicians, yahoo boys that are making a living stealing and possessing other's possession. why aren't you one of them?
Or are you one already?

So the US has killed 3 million people, so Russia has to kill 3 million people no question ask. Question and illegality of their actions can only be in focus once they get to 3 million people.

Do you see how stupid your reasoning now sound or should I continue.

Reply 1, so I know you want me to continue

IgOga:


Structure doesn't mean Igbo Traders Association

We'll start seeing the Obi wave in the first election of 2022 since the primaries in Ekiti on Saturday. Let's see how Labour Party performs in Ekiti.

On a serious note though, fear elections in Nigeria. I voted Gani Fawehinmi that year in the presidential election and when result came out Gani had 2 votes in Nigeria. Me shock, even Gani sef shock.

APC and PDP will rig this election that is why I am not so hopeful that Obi will make any difference without structure.

imagine if everything that has happened in the world had your mindset. I did it once and was shocked so it won't ever happen.

Kingsnairaland:
I also note the interest in testing and selling weapons. It is very sad, but at the end of the day, that is what is at stake.”


This is why we should stop USA hegemony.

It's the irony that you people blatantly ignore that I don't understand or is it because it doesn't fit your narrative.

He praised the heroics of the Ukrainians but paint it as the West selling and testing weapons.
Quick question: 1) which weapons are the Ukrainians using to be heroes??
2) Without those weapons, would they still be Ukraine?

SARSCoV2:
Learning from other countries who have broken similar challenges being presently faced by Nigeria.

What does Nigeria have to learn from Egypt that is far ahead of us in all ramifications. We do not share similar ideology, culture and system of government.

We could as well learn from America, Germany or the United kingdom if we desperate to start from the top, which will still be of no use.

Rwanda and Ghana are fastest growing economies who happen to just be coming out of the shackles and challenges being presently faced by Nigeria, and such destination would have been worthwhile as their are still evident developmental tracts which are visible and presently working for them.


If you must import ideas, you have to import from where best fits your scenario. Not importing ideas from Alaska to West Africa.

they did not sell Presidential ticket to only OBI, you would have bought your own and be going to Ghana and Rwanda.

Allow him to do his own, he has his reasons to be there, it doesn't have to align with yours.

Pandev:
National movement? sir, politics is not that simple. It's not about social media tantrum. Showing picture of about 20 to 50 Igbo people living in the north, holding a banner of Peter Obi calling that movement. We'll keep telling you that Obi will not even come second in the general election, he'll come 4th after Kwankwaso.
How a man that killed his people and dump their bodies in the river suddenly become a messiah is a surprise to me

How the people who called Nigeria zoo and claimed they have nothing to do with Nigeria suddenly want to become the president of Nigeria is a surprise to me

How the people who called every other tribes all sorts of names suddenly want their support is a big surprise for me

You better wake up now and realize all these are day dreaming, we're telling you all these so that you won't cry 'rigging' next year.

for someone you know won't even come second, you spend an awful lot of your time and energy trying to bring him down..

that's like a Liverpool fan trying to bring down Leicester City...

Peter won't win, won't come second or third or fourth either, leave it like that for us, rally behind your own candidate you think is best.

Ogarexmas:
We all know Peter Obi does not stand a chance. We all know what happens to all these social media candidates they do not just lose the election but lose it woefully. Nigeria has two major parties and if Peter Obi was the flag bearer for either APC or PDP he will surely be in the running. The battle is between Atiku and Tinubu whom both are very useless set of candidates.

The only way we can dethroned this two evil parties is for a coalition of several political parties. Maybe Labour party, APGA and others

A revolution don't just happen.. One day an outside party will defeat the big two. it might not be OBI, but if he pull enough votes to come third or threaten the big two. That's a win.

It means we are moving in the right direction and one day, just one day we will get it right

plaindealer:
No office in nearly the whole of the country, and no governorship candidates, meaning no structure to energize, mobilize the voters, and get them to the polling stations.

What've digital banks got to do with party office? Will the voters vote digitally or online electronically? Do they all have internet access to receive campaign and election information from the party?

You people just don't take anything seriously, you just come up with empty and ridiculous platitudes that makes no sense, no strategy or any serious thinking, just empty talk.

allow us with our empty talk.. we don't have offices, we don't have candidates, we don't have anything, we won't win. WE AGREE

But why are you pained and discussing our matter. Doesn't that make you more useless than US.

WE ARE OBIDENTLY PETER OBI

salem1996:

How far has he protected the city so far? Mr. Brain?
.

Russia was never there to attack, but simply DO NOT JOIN NATO was the whole thing. He acted foolishly when he thought it was an empty threat by coming out to state that he has sign a proposal to join NATO while he was not even on EU list thereby damaging a diplomatic status of ending the war and also forgetting the 350yrs history of Peter the Great. By the way, you seems struggling with comprehension issues after reading your comment. Find out where I said I hate him for defending his nation then you will worth my next reply.

Hope you read what President Biden said about Zelensky yesterday?
Man, the moment the US realize their agenda will not be possible, they will pull back stylishly and watch a repeation of Tsar's history before the establishment or the Soviet Union.

You're just over the place saying nothing...

what happened in 2008 when Ukraine actually were about to join but was rejected by NATO?

Russia don't want NATO at its border yet Estonia and Latvia share border with Russia and are in NATO.

Finland with the longest border length of any EU country is about to join yet nothing of invasion??

You believing this has anything to do with NATO shows you're not even worthy of a conversation.

salem1996:
I laff whenever I see comments like this though am not surprise is coming from a western supporter. The problems with our mouths is that its speak so much into glorifying a dog to believe it can tear down a lion at one glance, only for him to step into the ring and after the fight, all the hailers turn to sympathizers and all rush back to their tents.

If only zelensky know the game the US is using his country to play, he will have long sought for a diplomatic end. But he trusted people like you who play down the Russian army to look small in his eyes and believe in the words of the west. now, he cry over every given opportunity for help but he is not getting much attention as the war started. Your supposed friend can only provide you with food when he has enough for his family first....

They told us russian army is losing heavily in Mariupol, today what's the fate of that dear city?
They told us Severodonesk can't be conquered, as of day before yesterday they claim to inflict heavy losses on Russian army, but yesterday and today the city's mayor said they only control the outskirt of the city with russia controlling 90% of it. I use to trust the west but their propaganda and low context communication skills makes me hate them. My anger against zelensky is his mouth that he runs here and there following the west in pushing lies and hiding the truth...

If you get what I mean fine, if not, it is still fine

so you hate someone for doing everything to protect the land entrusted to him by his people?

have you looked at the coward in your mirror this morning??

Elsueno:
U are d naive one here, every single country in d world have thier problems....But also d worst & most evil country that his kill more innocent people even than d most heinous terrorists organization in d world( which by d way, most are being sponsored & trained by ur beloved U.S & NATO). Overwhelming majority of d world knows U.S is d single most dangerous & evil country in d world, even Hollywood can't hide thier hypocrisy.... Russia, China ain't saints but they sure as hell don't even come close to U.S in killing innocent people & destroying countries

you read the first statement I wrote and was like, wow! let me prove him write. I can only applaud you for proceeding to do so.

ken6488:
USA is very Good but stop hiding facts claiming them to be saint

USA, Russia, China are all bad

There are all the same

So you should stop making china and Russia look like the grand evil and USA the good ones


USA has ruined multiple countries u know that

Middle East
Africa
South America

Many more


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Even Nigeria is suffering indirectly


If Libya was not destroyed, terrorists would have not been breeding their

I never hide facts... read everything I wrote, I specifically said the US is no saint but they are still the best bet to lead. And that's a fact

ken6488:
You just proved me right USA always have reason

But you forgot this part

1. Afghan was armed by USA to fight USSR
2.osama bin Laden was trained by USA
3. Iraq Saddam was USA ally to fight iran

All those countries become enemies because to refused to follow USA rule

as usual parade propaganda as facts. It's how you guys easily believe anything that makes the US bad, not need to fact check as long as it paints the US bad, let's believe that one.

Well you're just one of the many few. That's how life works, if everybody likes you then you're doing something wrong. There just always be people on the other side, even those that don't have any reason to be there.

ISellBeer:
Why would they freeze account the registered?
If I become president ehhh

next time don't just agree to Terms & Conditions, read it!!!!

You gave them the right to do that in case of anomalies in your account transactions. Those rights are reinforced by CBN directives of which they have to adhere to.

If you become President you won't do anything because it isn't a dictatorship but a democracy

ken6488:
Russia is dealing with terrorists too

You just sugar coat unipolar well that's the lie

You talked about all the advantages but what about the disadvantage!?

Excess power corrupt


See
Iraq, Afghan, Libya
USA democracy working well for them right?

Speaking of human rights spare me the talk.
USA and Saudi Arabia are at the same level only difference is USA always find an excuse to get away USA practice dictatorship away

Do you know how many countries president has been killed by USA


China and Russia don't go to other continent removing leaders and

That's what I said earlier, you just hate the US being #1.

Iraq was a UNSC resolution, that's WHAT THEY WON'T TELL YOU at face value. Do you know that just one veto from any of the permanent members mean that a resolution can't be reached. So Russia and China were there and they voted for it but they weren't there to actually do the fighting as usual.

North Korea sanctions are a UNSC resolution, but the US is the bad guy for trying to keep the UNSC relevant while the same people that voted on this issue are the ones sabotaging it but they won't tell you that.

Afghanistan was the phase 1 of war on terror. The Talibans refused to denounced Al Qaeda that was operating with impunity under their nose. Quick question: If the US was so bad, why did the Afghans literally jump on a moving plane when the so called bad guys US decide to leave Afghanistan?

US democracy is working for them. With the amount of mass murdering that has happened there, don't you think if it was Russia or China, the president wouldn't have just issue a decree and be done with it but in the US, he can't because the 2nd amendment guarantee citizens right to bear arms and the President can't overrule the constitution, only Congress can amend it. Or do you actually know what is democracy?

what else? Human rights, seriously? Nobody and I repeat nobody has ever said the US is a saint, the duality of life guarantee that as humans we can't all be good. But to make a conscious effort to be good that's what important. You talk about SA, look at the allies of the US in the middle East, where those countries are conservative and you'll see that those are countries that have relaxed their conservatism. It can't happen overnight or a flip of a switch. It's an internal struggle between religion and state. For every little step those allies take, that's a victory for US foreign policy.
Coming from someone who can't even hold his government accountable for his fellow citizens dying on a daily, that's a lot of nerves to judge the US.

Really, China and Russia?

Quick question:
1) who backed the Malian army that carried out a coup on their elected leader?

2) Who backed the Myanmar army that carried out a coup on their elected leader??

while you're at it, can you point out just one article written by either a Chinese media or a Russia one criticizing their government, let's see if the writer is still alive today.

ken6488:
The world can't work on a common goal

Order can only happen in a unipolar world.
A multipolar world is chaos.

Don't take my word for it, consult history.

The world can't work on a common goal?
Really or you don't just want the US to lead?
Your view can be blinding you to common facts.

Our cars are moving to use electric power and battery tech. Championed by Telsa, a US company....

The US is cutting is oil drilling and production to met the PARIS 2030 goals, same as Europe. Guess the country that isn't subscribing to that: Russia.

The US proposed an outer space treaty for peaceful use of space. 19 countries has signed on to be part of it. China and Russia are saying no. why? their reason has nothing to do with space or it's use, the only valid reason for their actions is because the US proposed the treaty.

War on terrorism: Led by the US and its allies. Where was China and Russia? Back home doing nothing other than criticize and spread propaganda.

Human rights and Press freedom: China and Russia cannot be on this conversation yet they want to lead the world.

Let's face it bro, truth be told, there's no country more qualified than the US to lead, why?
Because to a certain degree, it's one of the few countries with its own internal check and Balance.
The other two countries that you like to form a multipolar world can't even allow its own government to criticize it talk less of the people.

What will happen when a small country that has nothing go against them in the UN Assembly?

Kingsnairaland:
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Zelensky will use his mouth to tell you since he is your world leader lol

When we said Russia has taken land mass that more than UK you guys never believed us.

Wait until zelenesky open his mouth to say it so wait when we take more city and state that when you will admit it.

FAKE NEWS

ken6488:
In summary the world needs check and balances

USA and Russia need to keep each other in check

It's can't work because the Russia and now China sees themselves as opposition.

Check and Balance only works if both sides works toward a common goal.

Kingsnairaland:
have you ever seen Ukraine state the number of Ukraine military men dieing

Another muriopol is going to happen

Luhansk region governor Serhiy Haidai says the situation in Severodonetsk has “deteriorated even further”. He says the Ukrainian troops have been pushed back into the industrial zone and no longer control “half of the city”.

Ukrainian troops are inside Azot chemical plant zone, which have bunkers, we are about to see yet another Mauripol.

all these explanations ain't needed. Show me Ukrainian news confirming this and I will believe. For now it's nothing more than Russian propaganda.

FYI: you do know I'm intentionally playing the same script you guys play when the news is anti-Russian right.

It's the way you didn't even notice your own script and walked right into it

Teaser4:
lmao, Russians can’t be trusted but Ukrainians can be trusted, this is the most ridiculous thing I ever read so far today…. Information war is part of warfare, so far Kyiv is leading due to backing of their western lords, but one thing about Russia’s report is that , they back it up with videos, I mean live videos, which you will never see on cnn, you go wait taya….Kyiv only admit defeat when it’s too obvious to cover up, just like the myth Ghost of Kyiv, which was a fabricated news….even dem report azovstal surrender as “mission accomplished”

I don't know why you're trying to convince me when I'm only playing the same game you guys play when it's the other way round.

so now you see the hypocrisy

Kingsnairaland:
lol pure sweet physical video there are more just we don't want USA fans to commit suicide when they watch how Ukraine over one hundred men die each day.

well I won't believe it until Ukrainian news outlet report it.
Those Russians can't be trusted

Fake News... Russia Propaganda

Igbofam2:
You dey vex o

Lol... they must be forced to be smart by force.

Kingsnairaland:
my brother the west mix truth and lies all the time you have to know how to detect the difference.

so when it support your theory it's the truth, when it's against your view, it's a lie.

I get it... no need to explain further

Kingsnairaland:
there over five hundred video of s400 and s500 hitting Ukraine weapons and air crafts in lord of War in telegram and in Russia TV Africa in telegram.

Wow funny.

S-400 that wouldn't defend Belgorod, and isn't even in Ukraine per say is shooting down weapons yet the same Russia officially reported the S-400 first kill to be that helicopter since then no other report but Telegram is the carrier of authentic news now.

Like do you see your hypocrisy clearly or still blind to it?

Any post that reference a western source you guys claim it's western propaganda but submerged wholeheartedly to whatever is reported on telegram, telegram were there is no accountability for fact checking.

Just wow.

Like the S-500 that only one batch was delivered to the Russian army which they claim is headed to defend Moscow is suddenly also shooting down weapons.

Moscow hasn't been remotely closed to being attacked which would have added credibility to the propaganda but okay.

lol

Kingsnairaland:
If I give you Lagos and Abuja and ask you to take one which place will you take.

that's not what I asked. I believe my question was simple enough.
You have been going on and on about how kyiv was just a decor and Putin is playing chess and was never the target in so many posts now, so my question is, if Kyiv wasn't defended, does it mean Russians would have gone back eventually since it wasn't a target??

Kingsnairaland:
that what CNN told you, ask your self why USA need more nations to join them because they know they can't stand Russia alone. Russia is self sufficient China are the ones asking Russia to partner with them.

China conduct military drill with Russia recently you follow fake news from west because they only say fake things to make russia look like they need China lol that lie no nation has the type of Air defence system Russia has


Top 5 best anti-aircraft missile systems in the World
#5 – Chinese HQ-9 long-range anti-aircraft missile system.
#4 – U.S. SAM MM-104 “Patriot”
#3 – French-Italian SAMP-T complex (Eurosam)
#2 – Israeli SAM or GTAM David.
#1 – Russian anti-aircraft system S-400 Triumf.


Google USA is so angry that they put the number one on the ground lol

Even USA citizens believe Russia has technology of fallen angels God indeed blessed Russia.

you mean the S-400 that has only shut down a low flying helicopter something a MANPADS can do. that's a lot of hype for a paper capability