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naijadeyhia:
Read again

An atheist lacks faith in God, believes there is no god, or lacks awareness of gods. An agnostic either believes that it is impossible to know whether there is a god or is noncommittal on the issue. The difference may seem small, but atheism and agnosticism are actually vastly different worldviews. To claim there is no point in trying to prove or disprove God’s existence (as many philosophers have done) is to acknowledge the limits of human perception. To take the bold stance that there definitely is no god (as a few philosophers have done) implies that human perception is not so limited and that we can make such claims about the universe. These positions (as well as the position that God does exist) give rise to fundamentally disparate philosophies.

Atheist is generally confined to this nonbelief-related sense, but agnostic has another definition—namely, one who is doubtful or noncommittal. It also serves as an adjective meaning doubtful or noncommittal.
Atheists and agnostics are often lumped together as one group—namely, those who lack faith in a god—but it’s important to remember that these terms, especially agnostic, cover a broad spectrum of views. And the terms do not necessarily imply irreligion. Some Buddhists, for example, are atheists, and there is a strong tradition of agnostic thought in Hinduism.

so in essence...you're saying: atheistic hinduism and theistic hinduism can exist together without being illogical?

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dont you think ''lack of belief'' covers a wide range?
2)is lack of belief not related to doubt?
You defined agnostics as doubtful...

naijadeyhia:
Read my comment again

[b]A person cannot be Religious and spiritual at the same time. Religion is rated this way...

Man to God

Spiritual is rated this way

God to Man

Being Religious does not make one spiritual and being spiritual CANNOT make one Religious.[/b

sorry..didnt read it well the first time

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i dont think the dictionary agrees with you..
A person can be religious and spiritual...
Spiritual in the sense of an incorperal spirit of man that does not return or something to a transcendent being and religious in the sense of a set of beliefs and practices...
Just like in some versions of hinduism..etc

naijadeyhia:
A person cannot be Religious and spiritual at the same time. Religion is rated this way...

Man to God

Spiritual is rated this way

God to Man

Being Religious does not make one spiritual and being spiritual CANNOT make one Religious.

but a person can be both at the same time right?

naijadeyhia:
No i am not. Atheism or Agnosticism is not even meant to fall under a definition as its too divergent. Its actually a description. A description can only be given when there are certain characteristics and those Characteristics are based on what the individual wants and is comfortable with as an Atheist or an Agnostic. Its like saying you can walk when you put both feet into one shoe. its not possible.

Both cannot stand side by side and claim they are the same. Right application is everything bro

@the bolded...
In hinduism..
Some versions of hinduism are atheistic/non-theistic and some versions of theistic..
Would you also call this illogical?

naijadeyhia:
I guess you missed the essence of the site. Let me post it again

http://grammarist.com/usage/agnostic-atheist/

Note it begins with Grammarist? This is right application for words based on their meaning. Definition isnt enough...Application of definition is everything.

Applying Agnostic Atheism side by side is a fallacy. Its not hard to understand.

can a person be spiritual and not religious?
Yes?
(an offshore tho)

uvalued:
hardmirror has shown that miracles are real...speaking in tongues are real..... the christian supernatural is real.... this are all christian truths that he has verified but felt that just becos a similar can be replicated by magicians, therefore it is false...moses and the magician on stick turning to snakes.... comes to.mind.

you still lack comprehensive abilities...
Mehn christians sef!
May Nature help us!

damogul:
Are you smiling? I have known him to be a con job but have just been observing from the sidelines because God has a way of enabling people to expose themselves with their own hands.

He claimed to be a Super pastor and extremely popular in his alleged Pastoral days and planted lots of churches and got over 300 converts etc But wait...300 people can only fit into a small hall so how did he arrive at ranking himself so highly?

Meanwhile since he was so popular and even mentioned the school he graduated from how come he could not mention his name. There are people here who also graduated from the same school same time as he did who would have known him but he cannot mention his name especially since his whole story is a lie.

He even mentioned a certain believer who died of complications from fasting and a nairalander who also graduated in 2010 from the same school called him out asking for the name of the person who died since he was also from there but he never answered that question.

The guy is a fraud and a good story writer and if you check his threads here on NL you will see the stories e has concocted which he initially passed around as truth but later opened up that it was all lies. However if he had not said they were lies you would have believed them as truth.

Right here i see someone who saw his lie get out of control so allowed it to fester and pretend it was the truth and if he now says its a lie he would lose face. The guy is a bold faced liar.

Thank God the thread was pushed to the FP a second time at least everyone can also see the lies as they have been seeing already.

baba....expose the lies now!

LastSurvivor11:
What do I call myself? Semi abi partial atheist cos I believe that there is a supernatural being/force above man but after reading the bible and studying the koran am convinced that the supernatural being/force can not be the God Christians or Muslims portray..

a deist.

LiberaDeus:
Don't mind them.

Imagine going into a store to buy a plasma tv.
So many vendors approach you, they tell you the benefits of buying their tv.

You now ask for a trial a stand, the vendors tell you to buy it first and take it home and that's the only trial that you can be offered.
Ok you now agree to take home a plasma tv without testing it there with the faith that it will work well.
When you put it on, the color seems to be very disappointing, you call the vendor and he tells you to have faith, only when you have faith and believe the best of that tv will you see the best of it.

You are also advised never to question the quality and the moment you try to use another vendor then the deal is off and you will no longer be on warranty.

That my friend best describes the evil of religions
You are sold a story, you ask for confirmation but confirmation is denied only when you swallow the story hook,line and sinker.

If you swallow it and start asking questions then you find out that according to the religion you shouldn't question god[ a god you don't know], you shouldn't even consider other religions cause when you do that you are damned and won't experience the benefits of the religion. It is a never ending cycle of blind faith and fear.
Only the deep thinkers can see through the facade.

very very nice analogy i must say...
Archived in the brain for future use...

Nihilist:
Lads easy on the mentions please

lol..deactivate account haha!

GrizzlyBear:
Can the internet just ban this guy for life? Witnessing this level of brazen ignorance could cause brain cancer.

blood of jon snow!

GrizzlyBear:
Replying you is synonymous to putting my brain in an oven. It's an immensely intellectually excruciating experience. You are so ignorant about how everything in the world works. Arguing with you is pure torture. I'd rather argue with a 5 year old than argue with you, because at least a 5 year old would ask more intelligent questions than you.

Pick up a evolutionary biology text book and read.

Thanks.

chisos!!!

aaronson:
That didn't nullify meaninglessness as lesser animals aren't so ambitious as human to give life a meaning.
Yes! Human as well as Animals feed and breed but Animals don't go around worshiping a sky daddy they smarter than that.

1* What do human and Animals have in common? Basic instinct to feed and breed.

* Is that an utmost meaning to live or survival? Survival.

2* What differentiate human from Animals? Rational thinking

* Is that an utmost reason man gets so ambitious and gives meaning to life? Yes.

* what are the meaning man gives to life?
God
Religion
Politics
Societal stratification
Societal norms
Marriage

i think some species do remain faithful for the rest of their lives..

Wealth accumulation

they dont have ''legal tenders''..
But there's a bird species which accumulates shiny objects it picks.....
Can it pass?

Fun and leisure

yes animals do

Career
Technological improvement for easier living

yes..some animals create ''tools''

Luxury

yes..its very common

Power and respect etc.

power...a very very definite yes...
Respect ..yes..

Now tell which animal strive to own all of those listed above.

its pretty common in nature.

urheme:
for some years now i use to astral travels.... a situation religion could not explain to me....on one of my astral travels.. i was chased by a wild beast... i finally slaughtered the beast..and while i was cutting it to bit it was changing in to some white ancient Greek god, these greek and roman gods kept resurfacing for a fight.....

Then they got tired of fighting me...and they started negotiating with me.

i remember i met some one on Nairaland forum called DIVINERSPELL WHO SAID NEXT TIME I KILL I SHOULD MAKE SURE I EAT IT, THAT THOSE DEMONS ARE TASTY ... disgusting ... i will never eat demons....mind you at this stage i was still an atheist

One sunday in October........pastor mount pulpit and the word came........"there is some one here... you are be chased by a god...they are demons.... " the prayers became very hot, ....the pastor was so angry ........so i ran out with other people....pastor collect anointing oil and began to touch people ooo..oo...... then it got to my turn......BANG!!!!!!

I blackout.....is like my brain stopped functioning........no legs to leave the alter...... no brain to think..... the ushers now know their customer.......na so them rubbish the silly demons for alter floor.......until i got my self a bit..... just me alone of all the multitude that ran out.....it is well....so i stepped out of the church and decided, ... i must see the pastor that day in order to clear this confusion in my head.

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Eat demons?
hahaHah damn!

damogul:
Government of dem dem by dem dem for dem dem

the troll king is here

AnonyNymous:
First off, I am not an agnostic atheist. As for the above question, there is nothing wrong with accepting the outcome of an experiment.


I keep correcting this, and you keep repeating it. Maybe its because some of the atheists on Nairaland tend to speak like gnostic atheists. Replace 'there is no god' with 'I don't believe there is a god'. There is a big difference. The former is an affirmative statement that the motion is false. The latter is merely an opinion, which can be changed upon the arrival of irrefutable proof.


Neither will a gnostic theist, if it is shown beyond reasonable doubt that there is no god. I find both 'gnostic' positions to be highly illogical, because there is insufficient proof.
Gnostic theism holds a candle because the available 'proof' which everyone else claims is insufficient, is deemed sufficient by them

boooom!

KingEbukasBlog:
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Caseless:
an authentic hadith ?

yes..

Seun:
You changed an "or" from the definition to an "and", which totally changes the meaning. Why did you do that?

If you want the truth here it is: "agnostic" is what atheists call themselves when they want religious people to like them. For example, let's say I meet a Christian lady tomorrow and I wish to get into her skirts. When she asks me about my beliefs, my best bet is to say "agnostic". The word "atheist" conjures an image of someone that is vehemently opposed to religion in their minds. The word "agnostic" sounds more friendly. You can also call yourself a "pantheist", which allows you to claim to believe in God by asserting that everything around us is God. What a neat trick.

simple.

tartar9:
As in,Atheists stiff-neck dogmatism is beneficial to them-imagine the sort of mental crises agnostics will be going through,especially at the time of death.The only possibility they would consider then will be that of God actually existing.

what sort of mental crisis does an ex-muslim experience before death?

Caseless:
I've never read anywhere Muhammad rode a flying horse and I'm a Muslim.

its in the hadith...not the quran.

KingEbukasBlog:
You just quote names of random fallacies to appear smart

i can say that for your irrelevant muscular words...

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You want to take the idea that because no one opened a thread because of it..therefore it didnt change anybody's belief...thats purely fallacious...
Heck,guests are prevelant on this forum...
Heck not everyone who de-converts creates a thread for it
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Or Are you ominiscient?
ideas of your religion are becoming preponderant on your thinking

Jainism and Buddhism are religions and their adherents are atheists , they are religious atheists . There are also the Jewish and Christian atheists . Atheism is the rejection of gods not religion . Deists and panentheists who acknowledge the existence of God are not religious.

So do you see how your petty subterfuge backfired ?

That means people who believe in God like the Deists and panentheists while rejecting religion are indeed intelligent while the religious ones who are atheists like the Buddhists , Jewish atheists , Christian atheists , and Jainists have low intelligence..

whats that about atheists having 16 percent of the worlds populace again?
I see it way above 25 percent..do you really want play this card?
You're just rambling do you know that?
Heck you didnt bother to check the article..
here is a page on the journal
which shows that disbelief in God was a function of the study...you might wanna download the


[url=www.go.galegroup.com/ps/anonymous?id=GALE%7CA211061622&sid=googleScholar&v=2.1&it=r&linkaccess=fulltext&issn=10639330&p=AONE&sw=w&authCount=1&isAnonymousEntry=true]FULL DOCUMENT[/url]
and check how twas done..
Before you draw your silly hasty conclusions

NOTEwhen you click on the second hyperlink..it will say ''error''..
So in that ''error'' page...edit the page url and remove www.
and allow it to start from go.galegroup.com.... then you can access the site

sorry to bust your excitement tho
[color=green]here is another article
which shows that atheists have higher IQ's than your religious friends..
NOTE:This one was done on DISELIEF IN GOD and was drawn from OFFICIAL SOURCES

[color=Navyblue]Many studies have proved this..atheism has a positive co-relation with intelligence bro!..dont sweat it...facts are facts[/color]

Click on this and do the math : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nonreligious_Nobel_laureates

lol..this is silly..
You expect me to take the names one by one and count them?
I was expecting a nobel prize journal which adds credence to your statements..or a scientific journal or something...if you dont have one...then drop your ridiculous notion

Medieval Catholic mathematicians and philosophers such as John Buridan, Nicole Oresme and Roger Bacon were founders of modern science

i dont know what you mean by ''founders''...you're a bit vague there...wanna elucidate?
Founders can be different from only founders...so be less vague..so i can take your ludicrous assertions down

The father of computers , Charles Babbage , was a Christian.

the father of modern computers, is an atheist;Konrad zuse..so?

Hebetude ?



Prove it

you're making a conclusion by trying to reduce facts to an absurd stance...

Adherents of Jainism , Buddhism , Jewish atheism , Christian atheism are atheists

1)adressed above..
2)Also are you ready to choose a stand of a definition of atheism/irreligiousity we're going to work on?
I dont like someone jumping from tree to tree..
3)we dont call buddhists atheists do we? Per general terms?

Read and understand : http://www.livescience.com/50370-worlds-religious-population-will-grow.html

outright dishonesty..
Let me make what i said clear again..

no...your own source says..atheists will increase in NUMBERS... was the world 8billion 32 years ago?...

and your link buttresses the bolded...
So whats the fuss?
Elucidate or ''die''

KingEbukasBlog:
Young man , not a single person become an atheist because of this thread . This thread has been to front page before and how many people abjured because of it ? NONE..

argumentum ex silento!....

The research does not understand that deists/panentheists and so many adherents of other philosophical propositions reject religion but still acknowledge the existence of God . Do you know that deism is a philosophical proposition for just intellectuals ? Do you know that deists since the time of the Ancient Greeks are not religious ? Why shouldn't I impugn the credibility of this research seeing that it overlooked this important factor.

what factor?
Cause you just muffed soome words..

Dismissing religion does not make you an atheist . Typical atheist who just regurgitates without being incisive.

heck!
Are atheists irreligious?----Yes
does irreligiousity have a higher co-relation with higher intelligence?-----Yes..
Ceteris paribus,,,atheists have high intelligence.

Christian Nobel prize laureates : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_Nobel_laureates

Non religious prize laureates : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nobel_laureates

Just the Jews have more Nobel prize laureates than the atheists : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jewish_Nobel_laureates

how does this try to propel your point?
You said 89.something warefa!..
I need the proof..
Or did you expect me to count it name by name?

The most profound scientists have been religious . The founders of modern science are Christians..

oh..i guess the arabs were suckling at their mothers breas.ts right?
Founder ni,Founder ko!

the person who propounded the Big Bang is a Catholic priest etc..

the father of computer science is an atheist

There are influential Christian scientists like Isaac Newton , Blaise Paschal , Max Planck etc
likewise atheists...

You can continue here : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christians_in_science_and_technology

i dont see how these help your points...

It only proves you wrong



The irreligious will increase in numbers not atheists..

a reductio ad absurdum?
I guess the atheists have a religion right?

Its a decline when compared to the world's population in 32 years time

no...your own source says..atheists will increase in NUMBERS... was the world 8billion 32 years ago?...

Non sequitur

KingEbukasBlog:
And trust me , after today , it will be forgotten . Not a single person will abjure his belief in God because of a Nairaland thread suffused with false stories and illogical arguments..!

you wish...they will..
Denying reality does not change it..



There is no evidence for this .[/quote]www.independent.co.uk/news/science/religious-people-are-less-intelligent-than-atheists-according-to-analysis-of-scores-of-scientific-8758046.html
thats your evidence..

Atheist states like China and North Korea impose atheism on people so you saying all Chinese and all North Koreans are intelligent ?

no where did i say ''All''...you're either trying to create a strawman or you misunderstood...
All i said is----atheism and intelligence has a higher co-relation than religiousity and intelligence..

Like I always say 89.5 percent of the Nobel Laureates are religious and more than half are Christians while atheists,agnostics , freethinkers combined have 10.5 percent in the past 100 years .

drop proof na..lets start something here...not whistle talk

Another empty claim



The most profound scientists in the world are religious , past and present . Not only scientists are exposed to knowledge , there are so many other fields in life this guy

No..you said...---''atheism is a transitive state in individuals''...as fact...
But clearly..you're lying...
If it were so..we wont have older scientists believing in God less...
So drop the joke okay?
The most profound scientists have been irreligious..

Atheists , agnostics , deists and the irreligious combined are only 16 percent of the world's population and it will reduce to 13 percent in 32 years time according to researches..

i dont see how this helps you...
Your own citation shows ''atheists will DEFINITELY increase in numbers...
So gentleman whats your case?
Or you do not know the planets population is increasing?

. Also remember , atheism has the lowest retention rate so its likely going to decline much further than expected..

yeah right..thats why the only four multiple nobel laurates are all virtually atheists

Christians don't pose as new users , atheists do that !

na so...
When you're ready to say the truth...delete this lame statement.

where are our christian FBI's na?

KingEbukasBlog:
Pained at what

that the thread is ''Gold'',of course..

Its rather disappointing . The hatred for God can push many to do stupid things they'll regret later . Like I said yesterday , atheism has lowest retention rate in the world..

yes..thats why atheism has a positive co-relation with higher intelligence...

its a transitive state in individuals.

yes..thats why scientists;people with more/a higher exposure to knowledge tend to disbelieve in God more as they grow older abi?

many who were born in atheist families abandon atheism later in life..

not even close to those born into religious homes who become atheists..

Even on Nairaland , so many people who were once atheists are now Christians / Deists . I can name as many as possible , but how many atheist converts have you seen ? One atheists having 6 or 7 accounts . That does not count

Just like this one https://www.nairaland.com/3299206/exposed-truthman83-lied-deceived-nairalanders

oh..but christians having 6-7 accounts count abi?
You're in the dark bro.

KingEbukasBlog:
damogul finally this unverified stories told by a God-hater is on the front page of Africa's largest forum

i can see you're pained!
Here...its helpful

tee59:
I know ur parents are igbo who lik money dan anytn.. Money is d only language dis igbo women understand, dat is why dey encourage their toddlers to get married to rich dudes wtout considering their happiness and joy. Igbo people and money, only God can separate dem. I kno d guy must be rich.

seems your myopic nature didnt see eloho?

KingEbukasBlog:
Hilarious
www.cnbc.com/2015/01/14/the-religion-of-millionaires-.html

the poorest countries are the most religious! Ciao

jonbellion:
the argument was still unfair
Especially when the hub of discovery was Europe and the middle east at the time. And atheism didn't really start to gain grounds until the age of enlightenment.
There were almost zero prominent athiest achievements. A lot if people weren't athiests at the time
Even people that weren't christians practised other religions or belief systems in secret in fear of the catholic church. Not to mention during the end of the medivial period you wont want to be caught preaching heretical doctrines or doctrines that were against the church before the inquisition your ass
Would Richard Dawkins have survived
He'd have had his skin flayed and impaled on a spike through his anus. Her be impaled in such a way that his vital.organs wont be hit and he'd die slowly
Or he'd have been stretched to the point of cracking his bones
The medivial ages in Europe was a bad time to not be a christian not only athiests
in general
The athiests could have never survived this
And you knew it
But you went along with the thread anyway huh
I award you the scumbag hat

outright dishonesty brother...
I even know a lot of atheists who were killed because of it..
I have laws outlawing atheism in those days..
Laws infringing/slashing the rights of atheists...
Even books which atheists wrote to publish were burnt and forbidden to be read by the public(put on index)...