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uvalued:
any way this thread is not about you oh super intellengtia that that is too enlightened to understand that SUPERNATURAL/MAGIC IS BEYOND SCIENTIFIC ANALYSIS. will wait for hardmirror to answer my kwesion.. so long dude


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while you at it dont forget my question stands here



supernatural - of a manifestation or event) attributed to some force beyond scientific understanding or the laws of nature.

magic- the power of apparently influencing the course of events by using mysterious or supernatural forces.

refrence google.

are these you stated based on supernatural/magic




can TRICKS BE MAGIC?

stop derailing this thread pls

chrmn1:
Hope you'd have the patience to read all these:
Without question, the destruction of Jerusalem in A.D. 70 is the focus of this text.

so he was talking about the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D in luke 21...when he made it clear it was the end of the world?

luke 21:25
There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and
tossing of the sea. People will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on [size=18pt]the world[/size] for the heavenly bodies will be
shaken

in the destruction of jerusalem...
Did the bolded happen?
Or are the bolded not what is said to show jesus's second coming in revelation?

luke 21:32
“Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened

35 For it will come on all those who live on the face of the whole earth. Be always on the watch, and pray that you may be
able to escape all that is about to happen and that you may be able to stand before the Son of Man

how does the bolded fit into jerusalem's destruction in 70 ad?
Clearly..he was talking about the end of the world..
So...Fake prophet he is?

Gift101:
Matthew 16:28
"Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom."

Now i can see you were not a devoted christian during your early days Seun.
One thing about you athiest is that you just read the bible without studying it to understand and comprehend the meaning of the passage.
Let me explain what Jesus was telling them there; One thing you should or must have learned about Jesus is that he speaks in parable. Jesus was telling them that some of them standing (including his disciples) there will not die before seeing how it'll look when the son of man is coming the second time.

so he was still telling the high priest who condemned him that he will see a vision of jesus's second coming abi?

Mark 14:62
I am,” said Jesus. “And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the
Mighty One and coming on the clouds of
heaven.”

?

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even the visions his disciples saw..shows that it was going to be in their lifetime nau..

1 Thessalonians 4:15-17
15 According to the Lord’s word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep.
16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.
17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air And so we will be with the Lord forever.

Even john of patmos in revelation

Revelation 22:12 King James Version (KJV) And, behold, I come quickly and my reward is with me, to give every man
according as his work shall be.

how do you redefine quickly?

jcjoof:
While urging you to retrace your step back to Christ I will not want you to bring CAC Campus Fellowship FUTA into your story because I was one of the leaders in the fellowship for the session you quote and we did not have record of anyone that died due to fasting. I will still want to refer to you as brother because I know that it is still in the power of God to save you. Jesus love and will like to receive you back. Enjoy your day...

seems you were a guest before..
You're humbly invited to this thread...
www.nairaland.com/3477844/christians-point-out-hardmirrors-lies
your story is needed on that thread.

Gift101:
When Jesus was telling them is that some will see the vision of him coming down to earth in his second coming. And all can testify the fact that some of the early christians and disciples saw visions of Jesus and his second coming, Heaven and Life After Death. If you were familar with the bible, you would've clearly note that Apostle Paul saw the vision of the second coming of the son of Man (JESUS). You can also read the book of Revelation as proof to the fact that John saw the vision of the second coming of Jesus while he was alive (before his death). So pls do not be deceived.

27 For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father’s glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what they have done.
28“Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”

so in their visions..did they see themselves being judged and rewarded while alive on earth in their visions?

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was jesus still talking about visions here.. ?

Matt 24:30,34?
30 Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven.And then all the peoples of
the earth will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven
with power and great glory. 34 Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these
things have happened

?

Verse 36 shows he's talking about his second coming for all eyes on earth..so?
False prophet?

chrmn1:
I know you're not happy with me because of my work on this thread. It's a forum, you can call me brainless, a fool, just anything at all and I'll say a simple word of 'thank you' to you. Warm regards.

not happy with you?
How? Whats special about you that i'd be all over you or something?
Smh...
i said i meant no offence by the brainless word..but if you took it up..sorry tho..forgive me
But i wont retract my statement that the bolded was stupid...about saying atheists would say an amputee healing was staged..

damogul:
We are on the road and you are on the roadside so sit there and eat your banana with nuts. Just dont throw the peel onto the road...its uncivilized and not a smart thing to do.

okay sire

damogul:
How am i not shocked you would jump on that comment since it blinds you to the real reason behind this thread. I have asked you to B E A P E D E S T R I AN.

so as a pedestrian i cant buy banana by the roadside again?
Haba bros...

jonbellion:
so far this is one of the mist intellegent theistic comments on this thread

hes one of the theists i like conversing with..
He's one of the few christians well versed in history here..

TheSixthSense:
So many aspersions being hurled around. I'm disappointed just managed to read to the end. A lot of christians cannot see the fraud in their pastors right in front of them every Sunday then talk of telling which story is true or not. What is so difficult to believe that a fervent christian can become an atheist? Is Hardmirror the first or is he going to be the last? There are numerous similar stories like his, even from people with more experience and works in ministry. So, what's the big deal?

Christians should challenge their faith as they say 'Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored' and if truth is absolute then it should be synonymous with curiosity and knowledge. Reading the New Testament in context as a historical text - since all the multiplicity of churches claim to be NT churches-. Read about the history of the religion you practice. Read about how the Bible you uphold came to be. Read about the doctrines you have come to believe. Read about history of your race and black people and civilisation. Read a bit of philosophy and Gnostism. I say these because no one can remain a fundamentalist with knowledge these, that's if one doesn't become atheist themselves.

What HardMirror pointed out clearly at the beginning of his story is that the supernatural in christianity is real but what is deceptive is the reason/motive behind it. His story, other than renouncing christianity, is simply saying that the miraculous experiences are not exclusive to christianity. In fact one only needs to be an illusionist with knowledge of hypnosis to perform these 'shows of miracles' synonymous with christianity. So, if these are what sustains you as a christian then some words of advice: 'Ignorance is Bliss' and don't read about what I mentioned earlier because if you do then maybe you won't be surprised anymore when you hear of stories like these. Most ex-christian are pushed into atheism by pentecostal and charismatic circles and this shouldn't be a mystery to its adherents but it is apparently. And also many people haven't experienced the shock of knowing what they have believed is untrue for most of their lives probably why they think becoming an atheist is some super spiritual battle. But it is not.

I was an atheist and I am now a christian and I don't find Hardmirror's narrative too ridiculous to believe, quite the contrary and I still do not doubt his story except he has been proven otherwise. Although, I think mentioning the name of a deceased person for the sake of an argument is a huge low but since it got to 10 pages because of a name l guess it is anticipated.

It should be helpful if HardMirror would respond:
Please share the books or documents you came across in your research about christianity that got you absolutely convinced about your current perception christianity. And also the materials on hypnotic techniques that pastors use that are not of christian origin.

Meanwhile, Jesus Saves!!! 'If you continue in My word, you are truly My disciples. Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.'

the bolded is what i dont understand about the christians here..
They are jumping upandan but real pastors do deconvert daily...

Bluezy13:
Maybe I should comment on this thread since the person in charge proves to be an advocate of sanity and rationale.


I was brought up in a Christian family, every member of my family is a "core" Christian, I found myself to be categorized under them (Christians) but as young (about 13-16) as I was, I never liked going to church, I didn't know why.

I'll even prefer playing football. sometimes, I'll happen to be in church only when dad must have threatened hell if I hadn't and even when I'll go, I'll go very late (not intentionally) but I would just find myself going late and would always sit behind even when pews are empty.
I didn't understand why I had no zeal to attend church although sometimes I'll really want to but it never just happened.

Through my friends, I happened to attend Anglican and Catholic but I didn't quite understand what they were doing... it was ritualistic or sort of.

Now it as an adult, my concern with church and Christianity as a whole is eroding gradually as I advance. Christianity stuff doesn't interests me any longer.

If I should manage to go to church, I would either be sleeping at intervals, browsing, playing games or reading one article or the other while the sermon is on.

The problem is not that of Proverb 23:6 or 22:6 or 6:23...whichever but it talks about bringing up a child in the way he should go etc. My parents did their best to raise me up in the Christian way as can be seen in the lives of my sisters but he didn't just work out.

I happen to be intelligent, I seldom lose an argument ( I know it is unethical), I possess other characteristics which is not why I'm here to tell, but I'm very humble, quiet or do I say an introvert who always look at things critically.

Now, my problem is not that I want to be an atheist (after all, I still pray to God), my problem is not that I don't wish to be God's instrument per say. My problem is not that I detests all church doctrines or Christianity teachings or biblical views of things.

you do not need to become an atheist...
You can be a deist etc

My problem is that I have many questions...very many questions without answers that even the so called atheists have not been able to answer neither has high reputable men of God. And these questions had made Christianity to be something I "know not what". I don't understand it.

If atheists could answer my questions, I would be an atheist.

Meanwhile, a few questions for the atheists:
"If we don't believe in any religion, if we don't believe in God,
if we would account our existence to no one, if we believe in nothing, if we are free thinkers, Why do we have to come together in the name of "Atheists" and who are we coming together against?? Why do we come together as persons of common thought when we are supposedly called free thinkers??

nobody comes together in the sense that you speak of...
The only common binding is simply the disbelief...
Atheists do not have a doctrine or some sort to agree on..

Coming together against religion or God or whichever deity makes us an indirect faction who actually believes in something and that thing is undebutably called religion and that means that we are fighting religion with religion unconsciously and if this is the case, why then does the word atheism exists??"
Why? Why?? Why??"

it just exists..because theism and religion are major factions of life...just a way of identification....for easier warefa..not a necessity..
There's no name for people who dont play football..

the word atheism exists..not as a conflict/opposite to religion but theism...

The bottom line is that if everyone is a free thinker, then no two persons must think the same and hence no coming together under a particular name.


Please, I need answers...

atheists are free thinkers..likewise deists...a free thinker does not mean you cant have a similar view with another person...its just means you form your own opinions..
And like i said..there's no doctrine or dogma or any belief binding atheists together...the only bond is the disbelief...and a disbelief is not a thing

i think you have a wrong meaning of atheism.
Shalom!

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pastor worshipper..abeg tell your pastor i wont be a victim of his scam...okay?
And reduce the long scripts if you want them to be read.

shvt just got interesting... Damogul, morning! ...got yOur mention... Cc me when you post your findings...

tunene66:
Be civil n polite in your response

hello? Who is you pls? ''Disclaimer'':no offence...evaded your eyes?

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Jackossky:
hmmm...seems I will focus on my Jupeb...I don't think Uniben is ready to release any list....see u guys in level 200...

which course did you apply for bro?

chrmn1:
you don't need to be abusive and abrasive, it's a simple point I made. Whether the miracle is about raising the dead, healing an amputee, healing the blind, etc you would try to discredit it by either saying it was staged or something. Don't be angry over nothing. Not worth the trouble dude.

stop being deluded bro...
Make sense pls.

jonbellion:
Ooooooor the little dude has continuously observed what people do in such events and then attempted to do the same
Basically a case of monkey see monkey do
the learning of a process without an understanding of why it works.

Monkey see,Monkey do..
Its a perfect example

Tiffbuxas:
really after it was described as an illusion??light mirrors and stuff??hope you read oo

Me? noo oo..m not that dumb...
Its our official no 1 most intelligent nairalander---Promise10 that said it is evidence for the supernatural..
Mbannu akant say such!

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How people allow their lives to be determined by 2k year old stories still amaze me!

hopefulLandlord:
when they challenged Promise10 to perform miracle, he suddenly traveled from anambra to anambra

when he challenged someone on blood money and the person accepted, he stylishly avoided the thread

that guy is one massive joke

I actually overlooked everything he's doing but I couldn't get past this eedeot trolling ceoMYN just because he opened a thread on a challenge he is having

asin ehn...
Many are mad but few are roaming.

promise10:
If you tell this to me, i will look on your face and say "YOU ARE A FOOL! ".

you know why? because even if it happens you will still say the miracle was staged. if it happens right on your face, you will still say you were drugged or hallucinating.

No room for truth.

Mr chris angel walking on water= proof of the supernatural..abeg relax...you have nothing to say

shadeyinka:
In context, Raphie, the message wasn't meant for you.

okay sire

frank317:
i will put hot rod in his anus

hahah..guy

Seun:
He said he was coming soon. 2000 years is not "soon" by any honest definition. He also promised that some of his followers would not taste death before his glorious return, but they are all dead, which technically makes him a false prophet.

lol...very fake one at that!

shadeyinka:
A little knowledge of quantum physics tells you that a certainty /probability of 0 or 1 is impossible to guarantee.

The law of conservation of energy says energy can neither be created nor destroyed but can only be changed from one form into another.

All laws of physics are still approximations. How about the 0.000001% deviation/perturbation, what do they contain?

Death is the beginning of a new existence with a Body not of Flesh and Blood.

your own theory kills your doctrine...do you know that?

plappville:
Thats my point. Muslims are encouraged to Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against them.

But they kept fighting innocent people who careless about thier religion and allah. The Pope should have known that Muslims are terrible people. Instead of him to pour water in the fire, he added petrol to it.
Yet He is supposed to be a spiritual leader..

how do you guys think sef?
So saying he will defend his own mother is a sin now?

hopefulLandlord:
Matt 10:23

But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.

I guess those guys are still fleeing 2000 years later

they are christians...its their nature...lies

jonbellion:
let them come and give us a logical explanation of how all eyes would see Jesus on a spherical earth or how horses can fly
Mohammed went to heaven on a flying horse. They don't believe this but they believe
their lord and saviour is coming back on a flying horse The only way to do that is to start [color=seagreen]idiotic conspiracy theories that the earth is flat. [/color]

the funny and amazing thing is that people believe it..when evidence of a spherical earth is being splashed on their faces everyday...on a general term.

Wilgrea7:
no bro..

an agnostic doesn't believe in God... but he isn't screaming that God doesn't exists... he's simply saying that he doesn't know and some agnostics reject religious views

you are right about deists... they reject religious views cuz it doesn't seem to them like the character that an all supreme creator would portay

[color=copper]but a non agnostic atheist.... oh lord help me.. [/color]

an atheist will put his/her ignorance on a showglass singing that a supreme being doesn't exist meanwhile they can't prove that a supreme being doesn't exist

@colored...a gnostic atheist...not a non agnostic atheist(whatever that is)

osjoshua:
its really frustrating..those admitted won't feel the pain, buh rather mock us...
Keeping hopes alive for months, giving out supplementary form,..
Mehn na this year uniben chop money pass...Postume is jux d best, before 2 weeks students ll jux know their fate just like jamb., not keeping their hopes up for months, inviting them for screening...
How can an institution admit students without any criteria?..jux giving raffle draw admission upandan

lol..raffle draw..
Smh

Lennycool:
The bolded is really the crux of the matter, the rest are just your irrelevant beliefs.
Deist reject the religious text because they accept that today's humans are just fooling themselves with their religious texts.
Isn't it strange you sort to argue by bringing up a deistic point of view.
Aren't you a christian why didn't you bring up Yahweh.
Do you now accept that the theistic way is illogical.


Again you arguing using a view point that's not compatible with yours. Deism and theism are not the same. I wouldn't regard the evidence as overwhelming, that depends on your view point. And most atheist only reject religious Gods, they have no stand on a deistic God.


What do you mean by intellectual, men you're really arrogant and ignorant. Isn't religion how most people claim to have found God?
Theism is just mass delusion.

me sef no understand the guy these days