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geoworldedu:
Could it be as a result of fear? As much as I know, Xtians are the most fearful set of people on earth. They fear that the world will end SOON. They fear rats and shout blood of Jesus. They fear just anything.

Atheists why don't you complain of witches and wizards and only Christians do, even praying DIE BY FIRE?

because witches are a figment of our imaginations.

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blueAgent:
And still yet virtually all of the world inventions and scientific acheivements where done by Christains?

Get sense. i have added a link already for you.
get sense apps.

www.getandinstallsense.com

the bolded...please prove it..

[quote author=blueAgent post=50264154][/quote]you mean the internet is a product of christians? Can you please prove this?

shadeyinka:
Its you who need fear if other hells exist not me!

Interesting, following your pangolo reasoning:
What are the conditionalities of not going into the other hells? You may be surprised that I may still pass! LOL

But you, an endless rotation of term.

the condition of the islamic hell is simple:accept allah and follow their weird quranic rules
some hells are gone to..irrespective of your life style..I.e its the only afterlife...

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reincarnation nko?...

4everGod:
Goodmorning! kids are fine. I should ask you same but i guess marriage has not crossed your mind yet or is there a baby mama somewhere?

na...hasnt crossed at all..
No babymama's till buhari steps down.

Good!..we are getting somewhere

shadeyinka:
1. I have answered you! Put in other words God is NOT moved by anyone's Fate on Earth not Even Jesus on the Cross. Except you received Grace you must be subject to the curse of mans inhumanity to man which is a function of freewill!

forget jesus...the death of jesus was his plan..since before earth was created 1peter 1:20...
Now to the question,,your answers kills off God as presented from the bible...

2. God will actually have to intervene several million times a day to prevent men from succeeding in exercising their freewill. Then, there would be no free will

so when he does miracles nko?
Does he not interfere with it?
Remember the miracles in the bible?
Now back to the question..
Is the little child not being assaulted against her [size=18pt]will?(freewill)[/size]
i need a simple answer...

After experiencing freewill, If God gives you another chance to make a choice between being Absolutely Free or Being a Robot what will you choose?

freewill doesnt have to be a myopic Good and Bad...
Freewill can be a variation of Good choices..
Eg..im going to a business meeting...and i see a stranded girl on the road..
1)i can choose to give her a lift to her location in my car
2) i can choose to give her money for her tfare.
3) i can choose to call her parents to notify them
4)i can call someone else(a friend) to help me do the job since im late for the meeting
5) i can take her to the nearest police station etc...
You have the will to choose between any of these choices and its still FREEWILL..
Shey there is no Bad in heaven?
Does it mean you wont have freewill there?

4everGod:
Must you want to have an argument over everything? Stop chocking on Christianity and open your eyes to a whole lot more out there. Your tunnel vision is sometimes repulsive (yeah i said it and you know i always say it as it is)

Lighten up and to answer your question from my angle, GOD IS GOOD! .....do not reply for sake of argument because my perspective will always differ from yours.

morning boss..
How are the kids?

shadeyinka:
Not interested!
I can always go for my own whenever I need it. But you, you have to wait for someone to smuggle it out for you!

i said some other hells..
So you have some hells to visit for a long while....
Dont you?

shadeyinka:
My dear, God being Good is always said in respect to man!

his words in the bible..
So if he defined himself in accordance with the physical law...so he is subject to it...
So is God Good?

hopefulLandlord:
the title of this thread is a huge clickbait

look how people are rushing to view it, Christians hoping Seun is really born again

lol...yeah!

shadeyinka:
RaphieMontella, who tell yo that? There is no time there o!

its an expression..

After you have spent 300,789,990,777 years, you will still think its just 5 minutes of bliss running after butterflies , swimming in the living waters and climbing the tree of life among others.

Trust me its still better than 5minutes at the other side.

butterflies?
Do animals and insects go to heaven? Lol...

shadeyinka:
I do pray sometimes for some of my good atheist friends especially donffd. I just have a special liking for him. He is sincere, the only issue is that his default is Agnostic Atheism until some physical overwhelming evidence turns up.

I wish for some of them, their default will be Theism until an overwhelming no iota of doubt evidence convert them to something else.

How can one seek a physical proof for that which is NOT subject to the physical laws? It is an impossibility!

is God Good?
Is Good not OUR definition?
If he is Good...then he is subject to his laws...

shadeyinka:
Thnaks o for the offer!

raphieMontella, someone is volunteering to serve (smuggle out) red wine for you o.

The only problem is that it contains 0.3% alcohol! She you'll manage

sure...i'll share it with you...
You have some other hells to visit for a long while..dontt you?

shadeyinka:
I have already answered you.

no you have not.. And its clear for everyone to see...

raphieMontella:
raphieMontella: a simple question for you.. are you saying that he should care/does care more about the rapists freewill to rape than about the the fate of the victims?

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i want to ask another question? if God perfomed a miracle as the rapist is about carrying his act..how many people's freewill will be interfered with at that moment?

so please answer me and stop the circumlocation..

I dont understand this your circumlocation oo

shadeyinka:
Freewill has serious consequences! And Grace is not earned! Favour is given NOT because of who you are or what you've done.

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No one receives grace simply because he's a child!

raphieMontella:
raphieMontella: a simple question for you.. are you saying that he should care/does cares more about the rapists freewill to rape than about the the fate of the victims?

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i want to ask another question? if God perfomed a miracle as the rapist is about carrying his act..how many people's freewill will be interfered with at that moment?

this is the simple questions i asked o...

daremiarchs:
I'll help you with red wine and some suya

so you think you'll be in heaven?

DeSepiero:
Heaven would be absolutely boring, much more boring than church.

much more boring..
I will just be looking at jesus..he'd be smiling back..after a minutes rest i continue my eternal praise on him..
Christians get mind o

shadeyinka:
The consequence of freewill is all and encompassing. This same Freewill can cause man to perform the ultimate sacrifice in doing GOOD or commit the gravest Evil.

Freewill simply means Freewill!

raphieMontella:
a simple question for you..
are you saying that he should care/does
care more about the rapists freewill to rape
than about the the fate of the victims?

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i want to ask another question?

if God perfomed a miracle as the rapist is
about carrying his act..how many people's
freewill will be interfered with at that moment?

lol... Simple... Seun howfa? Abeg no forgot to dey smuggle water come gimme for this hell! But seriously..is hell the reason why you are a christian?

Okeyson4wisdom:
This is where my God almighty pass them ( after all their exploits they died and the ones still living will still die) and face that person they denied.

did the christians not also die?
And meet who sef?

Lol you dont know!
Keep on giving me fuel for my fire bruh...

shadeyinka:
The earth is Gods gift to man plus an individual gift of Free Will to every body including both the 2 year old and the rapist. Freewill have consequences of which the rape is one.

[size=18pt]ANSWER THIS: Would there be Freewill if God prevents us from doing every Evil but only allows the good things?[/size]

a simple question for you..
are you saying that he should care/does care more about the rapists freewill to rape than about the the fate of the victims?
i want to ask another question?
[size=18pt]if God perfomed a miracle as the rapist is about carrying his act..how many people's freewill will be interfered with?[/size]

Now, the same you will protest why the God of LOVE should throw an EVIL person into Hell for Eternity! THINK.

will burning the rapist for eternity unrape the little girl?
Will it make her feel fulfiled?

shadeyinka:
Its still an exam, unfortunately this hypothetical 2 year old got shot in the cross fire. Its like someone born blind, born lame, born deaf. Its still part of the exam!

Its just the way the fallen world is set up. The fallen world wasn't Gods fault, it was mans fault. But, its not about blame every one of us will solve his exam question.

I have a friend who is badly lame in one leg (polio) but with respect to this, he is more extrovert than I am. With his crutches he praises this same God you dispise. He is a cloud of witness against you Raphie. You are complete. But with respect to the question of being born lame, he passes and you with a far much easier question FAILED!

lol..and hows that adressing the op?
In the exam hall...he helps those who are sound...and ''leaves'' the person who was unaware,not taught,not exposed to anything etc and in the end...the unfortunate ''fails and fails out'' tho he helped the normal ones....hmm?
But he is supposed to be Good,love and just...

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you didnt answer the direct question i asked o..
What should your dad do?
Or if you were your dad..what would you do?

Ranchhoddas:
There is so much we don't know. That's why we exercise faith.

you know where faith-talk leads to..

Ranchhoddas:
Saying it's his plan make it seem as if God is complicit. It's just the dynamic.

if a God who is supposed to be the definition of good cannot favour the oppressed as he said..
He is complicit or allowing his plan to flow..its simple as that...
You cant tell me helping someone find his car keys is more important than helping a child about to be raped...unless he(the God) doesnt exist.

shadeyinka:
I see your point. You are capitalizing on the word "forget" in my expression. For me the forgetting was not the issue, but not knowing the correct answer. So, its not the case of apportioning blame but focusing on not knowing the correct answer.

Now, to your question all the same;

You rephrased the analogy in a twisted manner. You laid some premises which is not part of the analogy

1. You were not told you will be doing an exam
You were given a conscience as your first teacher and scriptures which tells you how to answer the questions (live your life)
2.You were not taught anything in school before
Since you were born every experience is a class and an exam
3. You were suddenly ushered into the exam hall which has a fail and fail out nature
The exam is a minute by minute exam till you die.
4. Your Father helps other people except you.
The exam consisted of several thousand questions. You have had help from your father regarding some other questions except this.



I believe I have answered you

sorry we're talking about a two year old girl..
Fix ''her'' in your analogy..
Make your analogy valid...its still invalid.

Ranchhoddas:
It has be in line with his will. Romans9:15 I will be merciful on whom I have mercy, I will be compassionate on whom I show compassion

here's the verse on jesus's wahever
1peter 1:20

shadeyinka:
Sorry raphie, I can't seem to get it.

The bolded was just to say "I have to make a discission" and I don't know the answer. Like in life situations we face challenges which require our response. Every good/ bad event in life is an exam question.

forgeting an answer is your fault...

let me rephrase your analogy for you...
you were not told you're gonna have an exam...you havent been taught anything in school before etc,,and suddenly that day..you were ushered into the hall to write your graduating exam..on the basis of fail and fail out and you're now sweating in the hall..but your dad helps other people in other exams...
if you were your dad?
Would you help you?
Or what should your dad the vc do?

Ranchhoddas:
It has be in line with his will. Romans9:15 I will be merciful on whom I have mercy, I will be compassionate on whom I show compassion

Lol..
See your bible...
I need not remind you..from the same bible..
God is love..but wait

psalm 145:9
The Lord is good to all: and his tender mercies are over all his works..

so who are more inclined to this mercy?

psalm 140:12
Lord, I know that you defend the cause of the poor and the rights of the needy

Psalm 146:7
He always keeps his promises; 7 he judges in favor of the oppressed
and gives food to the hungry

unless it was his plan..
So again...was the rape his plan?

shadeyinka:
OK!?

lol..wrong analogy!

My Father is the VC of my University, I am
doing a qualifying exam which will truncade
my plans. He enters the exam hall only to see
me his dear son sweating because I forgot the
answer to a YES or NO question. My father
knows the answer yet he allowed me face the exam without his help. I am sad and mad at
him at the same time. Wicked father who
wouldn't lift a hand to save his only son.

shadeyinka..here's your paradox.

Ranchhoddas:
Not his plan per se. Just a consequence of the already established dynamic. Rules have exceptions. In some cases, the 'laws' are altered when a set of conditions are met, hence the answers to prayer....... You are the only one who seems to understand my post, the rest are just saying what I don't know.

the death of jesus was his plan of ''redemption''
honourhim says he had this plan since the creation of the world(before creating earth).. (supported with a bible verse too)
cc.honourhim
2)the normal perspective seems it was his plan after man supposedly ''fell''...

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1)a little girl of 2 years..can she pray?
2)some girls are raped at ages at which they are conscious enough..do you mean they dont pray?/call out on God in such events?
3)''testimonies'' of ''unmerited favour''...how does those cases happen?