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Mimidiva:
enter bush na if you are a mad man

copy cat...be innovative

mecussey:
My bro...there is difference between real and apparent....ask physics. Blood money is apparent...its not real. I can manipulate you to believe sth is real but its not.

the same way they believe chris angel has supernatural powers

murphyibiam15:
Yes I already knew your brain capacity is too low...you just confirmed it yourself

bad guy!
I love what you did there...

Gluthatione:
Bros there is no need of arguing if blood money is real or not, if u want to really know u can donate your head to the ritualist and see how things goes. Shikena

instead of commenting stupidly...dont comment at all

mrZENographer:
Pls advise him to come to The Lord's Chosen @Ijesha Bustop Lagos. He will be free, God will forgive him and break the yoke. The Lord's Chosen is a powerful church that set people free from their evil.

the worst advice ever...

IamRogerdattin:
[color=#990000][/color] The spiritual controls the physical.

so the spiritual can make you richer than bill gates? Where the juju man dey?

melejo:
I've been following your ignorant posts that attempt to deny the existence of spiritual world. You feel like a winner because I feel many adults on NL avoid your childishness. Before you say your known anthem which is always " you have failed to address the subject matter", let me try to counter you a bit. I personally believe blood money exist because I believe there is a spiritual realm where virtually anything can happen. I have seen men who become reach mysteriously and siblings, parents and close associates began to die mysteriously. Just as people will speculate that someone is an Armed Robber and it will turn out to be true so I believe there is blood money. In philosophy it is wrong for you to say absolutely that something does not exist because you don't have mathematical proof. It presupposes that you have an infinite knowledge that covers all the happenings in the universe or that everything can be mathematically proven. Again demanding that everything must be scientifically/mathematically proven before it can be taken to be true is self-defeating because even the statement that demands the prove of everytging is itself not scientifically proven. Do you believe armed robbery exists? If yes, why not Nigeria Rob USA to go out of recession? Do you believe that internet fraud exists? If yes why not Nigeria defraud Qatar to overcome recession? I personally believe that abortion is real but I've not witnessed it before.

wrong premise....
Do you believe twins are evil
That a group of persons believe a thing....does inn no way validate it...

EyeHateGod:
Am in Nigeria not in Rome!

lol

KingEbukasBlog:
Steve jobs and Bill Gates are not atheists.

agnostics...ironically atheists... Steve jobs rejected christianity outrightly...

KingEbukasBlog:
I modified my post . Read it again .

yep...but
the instigator is a christian..
Likewise the case of stalin,mao and the likes..(atheists)


although atheism is not political and christianity is not in link with ''dynasty''

KingEbukasBlog:
[size=14pt]The Taiping Rebellion was a civil war . Its called Taiping Rebellion or Taiping Civil War [/size]

but mao's great famine was not/is not because of dictatorship?

Taiping rebellion...
christians and christian initiatives huh?
So?

lordnicklaus:
Paul was quoting a Greek translation of the Old Testament. He quoted it correctly. Jesus bore the curse of sin by becoming a sacrificial lamb.

pauls teachings most times contrasted jesus's own...
I can show you some....

KingEbukasBlog:
That's a good question . I mean there are myriads of testimonies of people whose lives changed for good because they accepted Christ . They are so happy in Christ and everything . What can atheism offer to those people ? Hopelessness , loss of any sense of purpose of life , depression , and the illusion of being logical and intelligent of course .

secular humanism?

adoyi8:
The Bible also has a good record of people that kill and accords respect to them. The bible endorses killing but atheism doesnt. The only connection i have with anybody that calls himself an atheist is the fact that we dont believe in God. any crime he commits and the punishment he receives for it is his own cup of tea. why do you leave out other Good atheists like Alan Turing etc he spent their lives serving humanity

alan turing--father of computer science(atheist)
steve jobs--brain behind the ''apple'' company(atheist)
bill gates--''microsoft''(atheist;an agnostical one)
mark zuckerberg--''facebook''...(sworn atheist)
the killings led by christianity...
www.nairaland.com/3355430/evil-nature-christian-god-genocidal#49525544
and their democides when in power
www.nairaland.com/3355430/evil-nature-christian-god-genocidal#49525666


couple that with their love for hell...
And the number of people that have walked planet earth...
And tell me who advocates killingg...

KingEbukasBlog:
[size=16pt]Atheist leaders killed over 200 million people in 100 years . From your statement as per the emboldened text , you support the mass killings of innocent religious people because you see it as a right decision since atheism was the animus . [/size]

https://www.nairaland.com/3286519/communist-leaders-killed-millions-because

Such wickedness !!

cc : Winner01

you wan start?
A war/rebellion started by christian initiatives...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiping_Rebellion
best estimate 20---30m killed
highest estimate(inclusion of other factors of war) 100m killed...


Are you happy now?

zzyco... What have you been smoking?

Lennycool... Well done..

Ignorance they say; is bliss...

winner01:
But this is not true. The available evidence points strongly to creation. Christianity is not science although christians have had major impacts on science.

Science is a way of observing and discovering the realities of Nature. Christianity is the internalization of more permanent values.
Atheist need not cling to science in a bid to combat religion. Both are different fields. You may want to read more books on the Christian history and effects on democracy and world peace and stability.

this would have been true...
If the religions didnt have ''holy-books''...
Which were supposedly handed down(dictated) to them,,,by the creator(s) of this universe...
But religions claim this...
So it becomes distinct from science;since the stuffs mentioned in those books are wrong frm what we know....
Btw the available evidence points to evolution

so the pastor still get mouth ??


The priests of the shrine would be like this..

mank1234:
Go back and read again. I referred to atheist and you not scientist; not all atheist are scientist.
Here's the original text: How come it's easy for an atheist to believe that it takes light from a star more than a year to reach earth but difficult to believe that there's a creator?

Most atheist don't have the luxury of looking through a telescope nor any means to verify what cosmologist/astronomers postulate. Likewise you and I. For you to accept what you can't proof, that's faith.

Again, even if you're a scientist, you can't be all knowing in all field. Science is a very broad subject. So you still have to depend on some form of believe which I call faith to accept what scientists in other field postulate.

Cosmology/astronomy as a field in science is full of so many divergent and conflicting views.

wrong...thats ''fact'' to those working there...and ''trust'' for us..
Not ''faith''
you dont believe your parents by ''faith''...but by ''trust''

and mind you...individuals have telescopes...also private space companies are plenttiful..
Also quest for world dominance...
I see no reasn why ''russia'' etc would participate in a lie...when they have intentions of usurping usa...

mank1234:
Lol. To demonstrate gravity purely due to the two objects in the test, you need to do it in a vacuum, otherwise other forces will act on it (eg gravity due to earth, earth's magnetic field, etc).

Yes gravity keeps us on earth but what you wanted to proof is the gravity between the two objects in test and not that due to earth. So to do that you need to eliminate gravity due to external environment - the earth. And hence the need for a vacuum.

true though lol
.but my aim was to show ''how gravity works''...
Be it space or earth...it ''attracts the bodies''...
The vacuum and the inertia causes the orbit...
Catch my drift?

gaelllic:
1. A model, in order to be valid must accurately resemble the real life object. A scale model Mercedes must resemble an actual one. A scale

model 747 must resemble the real thing. Otherwise, all inferences made from that model are invalid. Your sheet demonstration does not represent

the shape of the physical universe. The environment does not consist of a plane surface upon which objects rest. It is a 3-dimensional space

what is the third dimension sir?....time... So??
Its an analogy bruh..you're mixing it up

containing 3-dimensional objects within it. Your model is automatically invalid because it is not true to life.

because you just dont want to know about gravity...
The Third d is time bruh...

1b.And even at that. If the relative difference in mass between balls is the same (as between sun and earth), the orbit effect should be

observed if this sheet demonstration is held in a vacuum. I assure you it will not.

the vacuum causes the orbit...
The curvature/dip of gravity causes the attraction sire...
The mass of an object causes a ''dip'' in space..

2. However, let us humour the absurdity.

ignorance is not a right to folly bruh...

You'll want to read this twice, I think. As per your position...

The sun is roughly 93 million miles from earth.

The earth is about 240,000 miles from earth. ( a relatively insignificant distance)

The earth is about 81 times heavier than the moon.

The sun is well over 300,000 times heavier than earth.



So why does the earth have any gravitational effect on the moon at all? They are both roughly the same distance from the sun.

The moon is smaller than the earth and thus ought to feel sun's gravity more acutely. Why is the earth's gravity effective on the moon at all?

like you said...the earth is heavier than the moon..
The moon is closer to the earth than it is to the sun...and so it is in the earth's hill sphere ..
Also the ''force'' of earth's pull on the moon is greater than the sun's ''pull'' on the moon...
The law of universal gravitation gives the answer bruh...[f=(Gm1m2)/r2]

Distance and mass..matters in gravity

Your link:

It is rather like a tether ball. Think of the top of the post as the Sun and the ball as the Earth. The string between them is like the force of gravity keeping them the same distance apart. When you hit the tether ball it spins around the post. If there were no air or rope friction, the ball would spin forever without getting any closer to the post. That is essentially what the Earth is doing


Now imagine a smaller ball attached by a much shorter string to this 'tether ball'. Can it possibly maintain an orbit around the tether ball?

Simultaneously with the tether ball maintaining its orbit around the post? Or are both not swept together in an arc around the post?

the answer is ''above''...
Now imagine a lot of balls...with different strings to that ''post''..
The uneven distribution of the ''masses'' causes ''dips'' at uneven locations

3. 'Empiricism'. Are you simply stubbornly refusing to look it up? Please do look. Nothing you've brought forth yet qualifies.

no bruh..you should look up ''emperical''...not me...
U asked for emperical evidence...
I told you ''gravity keeps you to the ground''...thats the observation you need....


If youre expecting emperical evidence of space from me...then disbelieve the speed of light and the speed of sound in air...

DoctorAlien:
"The same intelligent scientists whose theories are responsible for all the comforts we enjoy in the modern world, have told us..." -Argumentum ad verecundiam. This is a fallacy.

Actually, scientists have come to agree that Natural Selection cannot be the driving force behind evolution. This is because the driving force behind Natural Selection has to be mutation, and all known (albeit very rare) cases of mutation have proved fatal and destructive to the mutant individual. Thus, mutation brings extermination instead of development in species.

Maybe y'all atheists need to read more and think with your head and for yourselves, and stop committing the fallacy of appeal to authority/accomplishment.

funny!
Heard of game theory?

Ontarget:
Just as the earthly realm and the space realm follows different laws and patterns, the realm of God is different on its own working system. On earth anything we throw up must surely come down, but it doesn't work like that in the space realm. In the earth and space realms everything that has a beginning must have and ending, but it doesn't work like that in the realm of God with an entirely different working system.

how can you be equating the effect of gravity to ''realms'' ?
How does it sound to you?

promise10:
But what about atheists who grew up in an atheistic environment. Atheists who weren't into any faith.

Why don't they argue about zeus, batman, spiderman, the invisible yellowish black lemon transparent unicorn?

they argue on the one they feel has more ''effect'' on people around them/world...
It could be islam,christianity,etc it all boils down to ''persona''

shadeyinka:
Sorry Bro!

thanks man those botss can be annoying fa'!

winner01:
https://www.britannica.com/art/Early-Christian-art


cc: raphieMontella

simeone de beauvoir's revolutionary
feminist book ''THE SECOND SEX''...inspired from her atheism...
The god delusion-richard dawkins...his atheism
art;
the starry night by vincent van gogh...awe of the universe...

richard francis burton discovered lake tanganyika as a result of exploring nature...(love for nature)

shadeyinka:
Sorry for the late reply..work exigencies.
Hm! I admit that some things are not easy to comprehend when treated as a isolated fact in the scripture.

However, I can relate the case of Pharaoh with you raphieMontella. You are an Atheist, did God hadden your heart or did you choose to be an Atheist by yourself? If you claim that God hardened your heart, you may have a case however if you are consciously in control of your choices then Irrespective of what a third party says, you are still ultimately responsible for your decision.

Do you think Pharaoh was acting oblivious of his choices? Finally, even if God hardened his heart, it has nothing to do with salvation or punishment of hell which is the issue in contention.

like when asked to let the israelites go...he refused...but how does he know he is willingly refusing their freedom? It may seem so..bt a ''destiny'' is a destiny...
Read romans 9:17

For Judas, there were 12 disciples, who says it must be him and not Peter or James! If he didn't love money that much, it may not have fallen upon him

read psalm 41:9
john 13:10,18(mark 14:18,20)
matthew 26:23,25
john 13:26,27
link all these bible passages...and explain judas wasnt destined to bleep jesus...
P.s would have posted the verses mentioned above here..but am afraid of a ban from those bots

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also...i have bible verses which signify that god predestines some persons to heaven...''elect'' or sommething..

gaelllic:
First, I would like to congratulate you for your effort at an argument.

Please listen carefully.

For this...description to begin to be worthy of discussion you would have to demonstrate that there is indeed

a physical environment resembling your elastic sheet upon which we all live. There is not.

And even if I chose to humour you...how then is it that your little ball does not spiral around its partner in turns of diminishing length?

Why does it roll straight down the dip? Is that what 'planets' are supposed to do?

Perhaps you saw Carl Sagan perform this activity on a cable program. That is not science.

Please note my courtesy in even addressing this post, it is not empirical evidence.

If you don't know the word, look it up.

Don't be lazy or embarrassed.

lol...clearly you lost interest in ''physics'' at a tender age....
The larger the mass...the larger the effect of gravity oga..
The orbit...the total of the kinetic and potential energy keeps the orbit going...(in a vacuum the earths speed doesnt drop)
The elastic sheet is just used to represent the curvature
click here

DoctorAlien:
The four gospels are complementary. One does not record everything that happened. We read the four of them to get a more complete picture of Jesus' life.

Matthew gives an account of Jesus healing two men, without naming them. Mark reports that same incidence, and evidently knew one of the men who were healed, and so gave his name "...blind Bartimaeus, the son of Timaeus..." (Mark 10:46).

Both accounts are correct as they give additional information. Matthew says nothing about them begging, but Mark does.

The fact that these accounts differ a little is proof that these writers did not copy one another, as hypocrites and infidels and skeptics like you would say had the accounts been exactly the same.

did he heal one or two?

mank1234:
It takes light 8.3minutes to reach earth from the sun while it takes 4years to reach us from the nearest star, Sirius.
Check out at the link below.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/education/clips/znt6n39

Devote a little of your time and watch NASATv online. If you do on a regular basis, not only will you be amazed at the orderliness of the universe, which can only be possible through careful design. Such design can only be possible by my God.

you said scientists believe ''light'' by faith...
So?

lordnicklaus:
The whole expanse is governed by a set of laws, either physical, chemical or sub-physical. The known laws in science can not entirely quantify that which set the universe in motion. Quantum physics sets to explain the idea of virtual/sub-atomic particles arising from a vacuum unaided but can not verify the Big Bang theory which proposes the idea of a universe originating from the expansion of infinite singularity.
Certain mathematical precepts have been developed to explain the higher Mathematical law governing the entire cosmical pathway. Now, will all universal mathematical laws need a Mathematician or can each laws write and supplement themselves. The cosmos was caused by something quite incomprehensible and there are attempts to explain what it really is and that is where Theism comes in. I personally view this higher and absolutely infinite complex order as a being who sees to the driving laws of the multiverse but there are others who view this causative order as a quantifiable force and I have no problem with their views. This discussion should not be one of taunts and tantrums but should be well ordered and answers could be answered in other threads just as my brother johnydon22 does.

So, this thread is simply a recap of a similar one I started. The question is, from what piece of factual hypothesis do you draw your premise?

Note: I will only call people who are mature in discussions as this. I might forget to call you but if you see yourself as being grown up enough to discuss without resorting to insults of any ksort, kindly join the discussion.

Cc johnydon22 hopefulLandlord hahn JSoE weah96 Lennycool raphiemontella dorox shadeyinka donnffd et all.......

ahk...
Small small bots bannning me anyhow

mank1234:
Not true dear. What pulls the ball is elastic energy which is very different from gravitational force. You need a very massive object, a less massive object, both suspended in a vacuum to demonstrate gravity - this is very very infeasible except for space exploration agencies.

error from you...wat youre even trynna say is entropic elasticity sef...
But i never askked him to ''stretch'' the band...
Just norrmal placing at two ends...any material can do...so long it is flexible and a ''dip'' can be created...like gravity is the curvature/dip of space time...
Gravity keep you to '' earth''...not only works in ''space''...