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Iamgrey5:
No sir,

Your land was not wilderness when you got there . You migrated into Yorubaland via our closest neighbors who are the Ishekiris.

That is why the Apoi who are the earliest settlement amongst the tiny Ijaw community in Ondo state assimilated the Yoruba culture and started adopting Youruba first names.

Nah.

we originally lived with the ilajes in the Lagos area, I've forgotten the name of the village.

we eventually traced our way back to our current location after a few decades.

it's why our dialect is closest to ilaje dialects.

Iamgrey5:
Bro not a single Yoruba dialect does not not have variation.

I am tempted to think you are not from Ondo, otherwise you should know this perfectly.

Most people from outside Yorubaland believe the Oyo-Youruba dialect is the only Yoruba dialect that exist.

What unites Yourubas is our cultural heritage i.e ourligious believes, names, societal norms. etc.

I don't wanna keep going in circles.

just take me as a sample of an Ondo ijaw belief, I am Ijaw, and I am Yoruba, but the only tribe I rep anywhere is Apoi.

I don't want to keep going in circles, but just take me as a singular sample from the tribe.

I don't see myself as Yoruba the same way the Owo people do.
to me, I am Ijaw and I am Yoruba.

I am an Apoi man, and that is the only tribe I rep.

rosebowl01:
Thanks for this response to op, in addition, I am an Ekiti man from Oye LG. We are not a separate tribe, but a sub group of Yoruba culture. And yes, we originated directly from Oduduwa. So please don’t try to throw confusion with history here. Migrating through the riverine areas does not make you a native to other people’s land. If you like a dual identity as you claimed, just go back to your ancestral land and do that there. For example, I am fourth generation Lagosian, but my ancestral land can never be Lagos, and I cannot claim to sometimes be Awori and sometimes Ekiti when it suits me. That’s just pure and undiluted garbage. Thanks.

ours was a different case. the land was just wilderness when we migrated there and owned by nobody.

we cleared it, developed it, and had lived there for more than 10 generations before Nigeria was even conceived.
we've even been winning court cases over it.
it's our land alright.

I'm not saying we are not Yoruba, I'm saying we can only be called Yoruba by location and diffusion of culture.

we're the farthest from the Yoruba's in everything cultural and origin compared to other tribes.

Iamgrey5:
Ilaje, ikale, issua ekiti, owo are all part of the Yoruba ethnic group.

Like Oyo and Egba, Egbado, Ijebu etc.

So what is your point.

I'd like you to tell that to someone from that tribe and hear their reply.

My mum is issua ekiti by the way.

Iamgrey5:
Ilaje, ikale, issua ekiti, owo are all part of the Yoruba ethnic group.

Like Oyo and Egba, Egbado, Ijebu etc.

So what is your point.

I'd like you to tell that to someone from that tribe and hear their reply.

My mum is from issua ekiti by the way.

I know of akoko, ilaje, ikale, apoi, arogbo, Ondo, ekiti, issua, owo, but I've heard there are more.

Once you realize that most of these tribes exceed 7% population, my statistics start making sense to you.

Iamgrey5:
Bro how can you be 7% to 10% when you only occupy the one the least occupied local government area in Ondo state.

You are not even the only ones in Ese Odo, there are some Ilaje amongst you.

Finally, can you mention the other tribe in Ondo state.


Please also tell me how the Deputy governor Aboola Ajayi is an Ijaw as you alleged

He's from my local government (An Ijaw Apoi from Kiribo).

Ondo state has a lot of tribes and you'll find that the ones with the highest population don't form more than 15% of the population.

Ijaws are indigenous to one local government, but we've spread to most major towns and cities in Ondo south to central.
From ore, oppa, Ondo, Akure etc.

I don't know much about ekiti history beyond our split though, so I can't comment much.
maybe some of our ekiti members can enlighten us.

helinues:
Are you a confusionists?

I'm trying to say it's not straightforward
it isn't a yes or no question

helinues:
Ondo state is a Yoruba state..
Relocating/migrating to New York does not make one New Yorkers

it does if you've been there over a century.
it also doesn't if you maintain your culture

Charleys:
Ekiti does not have any history of Oduduwa, check your records.

I suspected but wasn't sure

MelesZenawi:
Is absolutely light. You can't just wake up and say u not yoruba..

You speak, u dress, culturally infact every every u like them...even raybaba as moniker...and you decide to come up with this.

I don't agree or try to enforce Ignorance.


Ondo is a Yoruba state and you are a Yoruba man.

that's what I'm trying to get at.

Our culture is not the same. we do a lot of things differently and we have different gods. we have oborowe and some others here not Ogun and the rest of their ilk.

we have different cultural dresses, our marriage ceremonies differ, and more.

we're guilty of being Yoruba by association and not by origin.

we're too different to be core Yoruba even though a lot of us see ourselves that way.

I'm not being political or anything like it, I'm just trying to establish certain facts which is that we are a different type of Yoruba

Success1020:
No one ruined the other thread, we just gave you afonjas a dose of your own medicine. You like to divide other people especially Igbos in SS. Now when they do it to you, you go mad.

the problem with that is that instead of sharing knowledge, it becomes like hearing 5-year olds argue.

I'm also guilty of slinging mud myself sometimes, but I've always swung it politely

Mcreloaded:
Thanks young man.
Am more enlightened now.
NOTE first time i am reading a thread of a reply about Ijaws and there is no threat of violence. Sorry to say i was disappointed because i was expecting the usual Ijaw threat that follows all their threads here on nairaland.

Thanks
I've witnessed it a lot myself and I'm always embarrassed.
my people are too violent

MelesZenawi:
Ondo state is a yoruba state....qed..


No addition no deduction.

That is not quite right, I happen to be from the state.

While we can and do claim to be Yoruba, we're more of a grey area.

Ondo and Ekiti are the two southwest states that have more than 40% non-oduduwa groups.

I have sometimes told people not to call Mr Yoruba when I feel like laying claim to either my ijaw or my unique Apoi heritage.

the way some people peddle misery here, you'd think it's what feeds them.
https://punchng.com/nigerian-killed-by-suspected-drug-dealers-in-safrica/

Tribal bigots ruined the other thread for us, so I made this one because I wish to educate others on how we Yoruba Ijaws came to be.



Ondo State is unique because we are a lot like the mid-belt region of Nigeria.

There are so many tribes in Ondo state that it is ridiculous, and many believe this is why the ekitis could leave the state so easily.

I'm not here to talk of other tribes though, I'm here to talk about the Ijaw Apois and ijaw arogbo.

these two groups are the indigenous ijaw groups of Ondo state.

l myself am from Gbekebo, and I'm an Ijaw apoi by extraction.

From the way my father described it to me, we migrated from one of the ijaw state to the Lagos coastal areas hundreds of years ago.

During the slave trade era however, a lot of us moved to the Ondo coastal areas to escape capture and to farm.

those farms gradually built-up as more family members moved in and we eventually occupied what is today recognized as Apoi land. This is why we speak a dialect of Yoruba with a mix of our original ijaw dialect.

I hear the Ijaw arogbos however migrated directly from bayelsa to start living with us apois once our community was prospering. which is why they still retain their original dialect from bayelsa.

Keep in mind that this is a guess, but I'll say we make about 7-12% of Ondo state's population.

this is a ridiculous percentage when you consider that there are over 15 recognized tribes in Ondo state alone.

We don't control the state because the Ondo, Ilaje, and owo people wield more influence than us. we are however the fourth most influential group in the region.

the only reason Akeredolu even became governor is because his deputy is an ijaw man. By the normal arrangements, the next governor will come either from us, the akure people, or from the Ikales.

the majority of us see ourselves as just another Yoruba tribe because of how long we've stayed there, but recognize our own uniqueness enough to distinguish ourselves.

To the average Ondo ijaw man, we are both Yoruba and Ijaw.

I find myself curious, at times, what type of government Buhari is running.

I just found myself thinking of it today as I gazed out at the rainfall.

This government has so far exhibited progressive traits, but their reactionary actions seem to trump everything else.

Traits of a reactionary government often includes:
repression of the rights of citizens
iberiberism
nepotism.
selective fighting of national problems like crime and corruption.
shifting of blames to other people or administrations
inability to handle criticism
seeing shadows everywhere
bad economic planning ability
inability to see future problems currently brewing.

what I'm trying to get at is that if you examine Buhari's administration, it exhibits too many such traits for me to be comfortable with.

Are your thoughts in line with mine?

For all the propaganda would be pro-akeredolu people have posted, this is the one that got to me.
The Yoruba culture of respecting the elderly should never be truncated for any reason whatsoever.

Kudos Akeredolu, you are a true Yoruba man.

candidtalk:
Interesting. Yorubas are the "weakest link" in Nigeria right now and not you Igbos even Ijaws like Asari Dokubo openly mock and challenge?Who takes Igbos seriously in Nigeria for you to even dare mention Yorubas when you are now several tiers below us with the likes of the Edos, Ijaws et al now above you?

We are the "anywhere belle face people" when we thrived in opposition , and never sold out, and brokered the APC merger that ousted PDP that boasted it would lead for 60 years yet your prostitute-like leaders don't deserve that tag more considering they are not interested in building and enduring with any platform and can only run from APGA, PDP and YPP that Ifeanyi ubah ran under only to defect to APC after he won? Yeah Yorubas are the ones with no ideology and a people of 'anywhere belle face'. Hypocrite, look in the mirror the see who is the embodiment of what you claim others are.

I like you

Samson0599:
OK thanks for that

I also agree

ebenholer:
either it is Sowore that is leading the protest or not, the fact still remains that it is high time to get this nation freed from this evil called governance in place.

you would be right, if some people like me did not hate the guy and his actions more than we hate Nigeria.

I would sooner have my people killed than support someone like sowore in anything like revolution.

For all those idiots shouting up and down on this thread, let me tell you a story.

This happened during February's election.

In my local government, we allocate certain appointments and scholarships to people of various ethnicities; whether PDP or APC, Igbo or Urhobo.
It's how we've been doing things for a while now until PDP broke the mold leading up to Jonathan's election. We only had one Igbo woman in my entire village, and I can categorically say she has benefited the most from Buhari's election; her son on scholarship, two daughters got jobs, her husband also got a job.

These were slots that were given to just her hoping she can be a pillar of support for all Igbo's in the local government; it was all politics. Did you know she was the only Igbo that voted for Atiku in the local government?

This was a woman that was given other Igbo's slots because she was the only Igbo who commanded up to four votes in the village (she was the only one in the village but not the local government).

After the election, questions were asked, and her ridiculous answer was that "peter obi is my tribe, I can't vote APC, but I'll vote for you in the governorship election."

Looking at this scenario should give Igbo's an idea of how Yoruba people see them.
It may be just one scenario, but it is not the only one that followed this pattern.

To the average Yoruba man, "if you give an Igbo two out of two children, he/she will still want your wife." The Igbo's have repeatedly demonstrated that their tribe comes first in anything; this is actually a bad thing because it blinds them to their own flaws.

My advice to your people is to think well about the difference between going to school and being educated. One gets you a certificate, the other gets you the ability to think critically and without bias.
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Sowore's revolution is not a Yoruba revolution!!!!

I'll repeat it again. Sowore's revolution is not about Yoruba's!!![/size]

That man is from my local government, and he only won his hometown. This is not because he is not a good choice, most people (me included) simply realized that we were not obligated to vote for a man that had not visited his home for years., simply on the basis of ethnicity.

Sowore lost the election; Yes!!!
Sowore met with Kanu in London; Yes!!!
Sowore is likely being sponsored by foreign interests; yes!!
We need a revolution; Yes!!!
Sowore should lead the revolution; No!!!
The government was right to arrest him; No!!!

There are thousands of little questions like those that influence who supports him. Make your decisions based on these facts and not on whether he is Yoruba or Igbo.

I am a Yoruba guy, and I say categorically that Sowore is not for me.

For all those idiots shouting up and down on this thread, let me tell you a story.

This happened during February's election.

In my local government, we allocate certain appointments and scholarships to people of various ethnicities; whether PDP or APC, Igbo or Urhobo.
It's how we've been doing things for a while now until PDP broke the mold leading up to Jonathan's election. We only had one Igbo woman in my entire village, and I can categorically say she has benefited the most from Buhari's election; her son on scholarship, two daughters got jobs, her husband also got a job.

These were slots that were given to just her hoping she can be a pillar of support for all Igbo's in the local government; it was all politics. Did you know she was the only Igbo that voted for Atiku in the local government?

This was a woman that was given other Igbo's slots because she was the only Igbo who commanded up to four votes in the village (she was the only one in the village but not the local government).

After the election, questions were asked, and her ridiculous answer was that "peter obi is my tribe, I can't vote APC, but I'll vote for you in the governorship election."

Looking at this scenario should give Igbo's an idea of how Yoruba people see them.
It may be just one scenario, but it is not the only one that followed this pattern.

To the average Yoruba man, "if you give an Igbo two out of two children, he/she will still want your wife." The Igbo's have repeatedly demonstrated that their tribe comes first in anything; this is actually a bad thing because it blinds them to their own flaws.

My advice to your people is to think well about the difference between going to school and being educated. One gets you a certificate, the other gets you the ability to think critically and without bias.

Sowore's revolution is not a Yoruba revolution!!!!

I'll repeat it again. Sowore's revolution is not about Yoruba's!!!

That man is from my local government, and he only won his hometown. This is not because he is not a good choice, most people (me included) simply realized that we were not obligated to vote for a man that had not visited his home for years., simply on the basis of ethnicity.

Sowore lost the election; Yes!!!
Sowore met with Kanu in London; Yes!!!
Sowore is likely being sponsored by foreign interests; yes!!
We need a revolution; Yes!!!
Sowore should lead the revolution; No!!!
The government was right to arrest him; No!!!

There are thousands of little questions like those that influence who supports him. Make your decisions based on these facts and not on whether he is Yoruba or Igbo.

I am a Yoruba guy, and I say categorically that Sowore is not for me.

By JUDE EGBAS

https://www.pulse.ng/news/politics/snakes-damage-relationship-between-ondo-gov-akeredolu-and-lawmakers/g4fxxy8.amp


The relationship between Governor Akeredolu of Ondo and lawmakers of the State House of Assembly has gone from bad to worse because of snakes. Who would have thought?
Lawmakers of the Ondo State House of Assembly and Governor Rotimi Akeredolu are having a fight over this story of a snake dropping in the legislative chamber during plenary.
Last week, the lawmakers told the media that the legislative chamber is in such deplorable and decaying state, snakes have been dropping from ceilings and sending them running for their lives.
Chairman of the House Committee on Information, Mr Gbenga Omole, told Punch
newspaper that: “On Wednesday, when we were about to enter into plenary, a big snake ran out of the chamber, which disrupted our sitting, and we had to hurriedly leave the chamber. We were about to sit again today (Thursday) when the ceiling caved in directly where Mr Speaker was sitting; we were agitated and when we looked around, we saw the damage that termites had done to most of the wood work in the chamber.”
As a result of the snake invasion, the lawmakers announced, they were going to embark on a vacation until the assembly complex is given a face-lift.
Call it a protest recess and you'd be darn right.
“When I said we are going on recess, we will continue to come to our offices but sitting in that chamber is what is not going to happen. We have written to Mr. Governor for him to know what is happening here,”
Omole had added.
The Governor denies the snake story completely
A week later, Gov Akeredolu is informing the media that the lawmakers lied about the snake invasion.
The governor who visited the Ondo State House of Assembly unannounced to see things for himself, says the story of snakes interrupting legislative business in Ondo is pure fiction and blackmail from the lawmakers.
“All I have come to do is to verify exactly what happened and I have seen that there’s an attempt to blackmail the state and the government won’t take it”, Akeredolu vows.
“I was given the fact and I wanted to be sure that the Speaker and most of the principal officers are here and have heard from them for us to know what exactly happened and they have told us that no snake fell here yesterday and day before, they were not sitting when the ceiling came down, they only met the ceiling that came down.
“It was reported that they were sitting. No. All the pictures they put all there are fake. So how do they (media) come about their story? So there’s an attempt to blackmail the government and I don’t believe that is the best approach.
“This (legislature ) is an arm of government and they have their votes and the ones they are entitled to is the ones we give them.
“This place is termite infested and certainly the termites have been dwelling here for several years.
“We just spent two years and there is no way termite infestation in less than two years can cause such destruction.
“Something is wrong, this place has not been maintained. Members of the house have always been here, what have they done about maintenance of this place? If they have not been concerned about this place, we all have to sit down and work things out.”
Lawmakers threaten Governor
Now, the lawmakers are threatening not to approve the governor’s request to borrow N30billion for capital projects, for daring to call them liars.
House spokesperson, Omole, was quoted in The Vanguard as saying: “They (the executive) want to borrow money now. I am a member of the Appropriation Committee.
“They want to borrow N30billion. If they did not do what we want, we will not allow that to happen. Out of the money, they said they want to rehabilitate Accountant General’s office, you want to repair the Accountant General’s office, you don’t want to repair the independent arm of government.
“It is not going to happen. The worst is that they will not give us second term but we will do what the people of Ondo State like.
“The truth of the matter is that that place needs attention. The way they merged the issue of snake with the collapsed part of the building is the issue. The termites have eaten the roof of the building.
“To set the record straight, we never sat on Wednesday and Thursday. Actually, we wanted to sit on Thursday, but when we came in some part of the roof had caved-in.
“I granted the interview that on Wednesday that there was a snake and we could not sit, it is not that snake chased us out of the chamber. That was what everybody wrote. Journalists have liberty to write what they wanted to write.
“On the issue of termite, everybody knows that place needs a face-lift; that is a fact that the governor knows. It is the joining of snake with termite that embarrassed the governor.
“The governor accused us of blackmail, why is it that the past leadership of the House has not done anything about it?
“Every year they put renovation of the Assembly in the budget and it was not implemented. The executive brings in budget and you passed it. The place where the budget is passed is termite infested.”
At issue here is the renovation of the Ondo State House of Assembly complex which the governor maintains should be bankrolled by the legislative arm of government from their annual budgetary allocation.
However, the legislature in Ondo State is waiting for the executive arm of government led by the governor, to fix the place.
That meins…
Who would have thought that thousands of years after ruining the relationship between God and man, snakes would still be up to this kinda stuff?

I am not trying to make excuse for anyone,...
but, those countries have a long naval tradition and their sea borders have been completely mapped over centuries of ocean usage.

What I'm trying to say us that, while our Navy can do better,

They do have some excuses for their current performance.

Can you elaborate on job requirements? Things like location and any extra needs you need met in a potential recruit.

Can you elaborate on job requirements? Things like location and any extra needs you need met in a potential recruit.

Besides, increasing naval budget has been historically difficult for any nation that is not Britain or America.

Now in peace time, even the Royal navy and the USN are feeling the Axe big time.

Blue3k:
Nigeria needs to increase it naval budget its that simple. This nonsense has been happening for years unabated. Its crazy to imagine nigeria going to sink millions into deep seaports and debate wheather to increase naval budget.

Get rid of security security votes you can literally double it next year. Long term decentralization police let state and local governments handle the domestic police work. FG should focus on maritime domain and borders.

Maritime security is not so simple ooo...
it took centuries for even the Europeans to deal with it.
the width if the ocean means that tracking small boats for long periods without the latest radar technology (don't bother saying it, they won't sell it to us. not now at least)is impossible.


the navy can only do so much and the government can't really afford the wealth it takes to build a real NAVY.

we'll just have to bear with it for now.

This guy wants to destroy me with laughter....

The presidency and Nigerians would continue to lock horns over Nigerians refusal to surrender their lands to cattle and their Fulani owners. “Moo” (the sound of the cow), perhaps represents a great idea in cow lingo on how to solve the impasse, but only the cows (and one seriously suspects our dear, cow-owning and cow-loving Federal Government) know it. Lately the Aso Rock has been involved in a long drawn fight to enforce cow rights on Nigerians – even if cow rights violate human rights. The underside of the cow rights fight is that President Buhari’s kith and kin may benefit from all these because they lord over the cows. We have already passed Phase Three of the reality show “Big Cow Brother Nigeria” and we are not yet in the middle of the drama. This is still the prologue.
In Phase One, the President told us that the reason Fulani herdsmen were on rampage was because state governments had refused to surrender state lands to herdsmen and give them cattle routes. If this were done, all the economic problems of Nigeria would be solved and cows and Fulanis would be indebted to all Nigerians forever. What is more? Cow would produce more milk and Nigerians would have a bowl of milk in every house. Just for parcels of land.
The killing at Agatu in Benue State occasioned the suggestion. One would have expected the Government to be outraged by the killings and bring the killers to book. But if you had such a fanciful expectation then you must be anti-government. Those who were killed, contrived to kill cows for destroying their lands, and, as you were made to understand in the book “Animal Farm” all animals (man, mosquitoes and cows) are equal… some like cows are more equal than others.
Kill a cow for eating your corn in your farm and you deserve to die by firing squad at the hands of herdsmen. The military even lent credence to this by maintaining that they intend to go after cattle rustlers – not the muderous herdsmen. Nigerians did not cotton to the idea of creating routes for cattle, when we do not even have enough roads for human beings. They rejected the idea.
Good, old Buhari is not one to give up on an idea. Next came the idea of Cattle Colonies. According to how the Federal Government “moo-ed” the idea, every state should allocate land to the Fulanis to run their cattle. The rights of cattle over human beings ought to be respected. That there are several other business which do not have colonies created for them is because there have no history. For too long human beings have been milking cows, but now the cows have a messiah, who has come to help the cows milk human beings in Nigeria. Whether this would lead to cow revolution, is being studied in Aso Rock.
Just when we thought that the matter had been rested, Abuja dusted up the books and came up with the idea of Ruga Settlement. A scheme, which hoped to grab land bigger than most local government areas in Nigeria, for Fulanis to rear their cattle. The Presidency packaged it as the best thing to be thought of in Africa after the invention of akpu and ewedu soup. While they were busy concocting this scheme, the herdsmen were on rampage killing.
It is a mere coincidence that every new scheme is usually preceded by a spate of killings by herdsmen. It is wrong to believe that there is a symbiotic relationship between the herdsmen and the Federal Government. The timing may suggest so but I have it on good authority from a reliable security agent (a boy scout, aged eleven, in my neighborhood) that the Federal Government can never support the killing of Nigerians by herdsmen because it has no coffin-making industry.
He maintains that the reason the herdsmen are not usually arrested and tried was not because the Federal Government supported what they were doing, but because arresting them and convicting them may lead to their cows being stranded and not cared for. So being the most cow-friendly government in the history of the world, the Government would always lookout for cow interest, and this state of affairs, Boys Scouts admire because one of their mottos is “A scout is a friend to all animals.”
But the dust raised by the Ruga idea rose to heights of popular discontent and dwarfed the “moo’s” of the cattle. The Federal Government announced its suspension but with the caveat that it would come up with something else. That will be the Phase Four of the “Big Cow Brother Nigeria” reality show.
The herdsmen would of course keep the discussion on with spates of killing here and there. They would still drive their cows into farmlands and destroy farmlands. They are the lords of the manor and if you do not like it, the borders are open. In this cow country, the powers that be would still find a way to let Nigerians know that no Nigerian is worth more than a cow. As someone who drinks milk everyday I support the creation of cattle routes, cattle colonies and Ruga Settlement in Aso Rock between now and 2023, and the dismantling of them when Buhari leaves office.


By: chief Johnny Michael

https://www.independent.ng/this-cow-country-2/

I'm not surprised. I have always stuck to my own original claim that both parties rigged the election, APC only did it better overall.