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bobdee05:
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Cholls:
my brother for this recession women go marry anything as long as e fit provide even if na...........

I don't think its fair to refer to that guy as "anything".

Nice piece, op.

TheSixthSense:
Listen to yourself, after you would say that you are not supporting him. If it was a junior pastor that was involved in such a scandal what would the head do? Wouldn't there be some kind of disciplinary measures? Every organisation considers image as a priority and when it is under attack from a scandal, a statement is issued as soon as possible and disciplinary measures taken. Sometimes I think christians are under some kind of spell that erases all common sense. If Ese Walters was your sister is this what you would be saying? He doesn't need to apologise to her, he doesn't need to make a statement but he would invite people to his church, great! If I was a church member, I would demand it. Have you or are you out here to stop people from asking whenever they see him?


Of course, they all are living very well. Ese Walters as a christian forgave him. She is married now, happily, I assume. But on his part, yes, he may have confessed to his wife and she has forgiven him, good, but has he reached out to the victim? she is a child of God and her forgiving him may just be in accordance to this verse Scripture: If your enemy is hungry, give him food to eat; And if he is thirsty, give him water to drink; For you will heap burning coals on his head, And the LORD will reward you. (Prov 25:22) So, don't be so quick to conclude and I'll advise you to leave the matter alone. Don't respond to people's comment talking about him, trying to justify what you don't know about with assumptions that he has apologised and he has been forgiven. Assumption is the least level of knowledge, don't use that to justify wrong or right. Simply ignore them.

I also don't know the full story, but all my judgement is from Ese's version of the story.

Well, from what I could gather from all u hv said so far, you've already judged and condemned Biodun over and over again. Calling Ese the victim. Forgetting that many women suduce their pastors and not the other way round.

I think it would be best for me to leave u to hang unto ur opinion and hate. Have a nice day. Bye.

@Thesixthsense. What u r saying is somewhat in order too.

But let me ask u. Based on what we all know about the story, who was really the one that was hurt in the whole thing?

Don't u think that the primary person the pastor hurt and should apologise to was his wife?

And don't u think the secondary persons that was hurt would be coza members?

And as it is, we didn't hear that the wife left him or the members left.... So why r we leaving the object and chasing after the shadow?

The person that was really hurt in the whole issue is Biodun's wife. And from the look of things, she had forgiven her husband and even Ese too. And ppl r there drinking panadol on another man's headache.

lastmessenger:
tell me why u are defending evil?

Look at u. U called urself a human and as such u can do wrong. But u refused to understand that the pastor is a human too, and as such can do wrong too! What kind of person r u?

U called the pastor "God's mouth piece". Whose "mouth piece r u"? Aren't u "God's mouth piece" too? When u teach the younger ones to do good and shun evil, not minding the smallness of the audience, whose mouth piece do u think u r? Yet u expect to be forgiven when u do wrong and the pastor should never be forgiven. Doesn't that make u a wicked man? Ponder on this.

lastmessenger:
tell me why u are defending evil?

I think u r really a kid. And as such, I shouldn't waste my time on u.

lastmessenger:
go and sit down and stop supporting evil. I have done wrong before and may do so in future cos am human but for a man to claim to be Gods mouth piece and be telling others not to sin while he is doing same is the highest level of hypocrisy.
For christ sake the said pastor is a married man and by all means shud be contented with the wives kitten. Stop supporting evil.if he cannot be chaste,he shud drop the bible and open a club and live the live he desire to live. Not forming santimonious and be hitting on gullible cheap ladies.

Lols. Bros. I don't know how old u r. I don't know if u r married yet and a parent or not.

So let me ask u this.... While growing up, I guess ur parents must hv taught u that lying is very bad, that u shouldn't do that. And on certain occasions, u caught them lying (maybe to a fellow adult or stuff like that). Do u now crucify them and call them irresponsible and hypocritical parents? Be honest with ur self. U r able to forgive ur parents or even urself when u do wrong. So why cant u extend same forgiveness to another person? So now, tell me the kind of man u r now. Again, be honest with urself.

And I keep on saying, pastors r not Christ/God. They r mere humans and r not immune to mistakes and sins.

And for ur info, assuming everything EseEse said was actually how it happened.... Then the only person Pastor Biodun really owed any apologies is his wife! And then "his church members".

But u can see he's living very well with his wife. Doesn't that tell u she forgave him a very long time ago? And his church members r still there. Doesn't that tell you they must hv forgiven him a very long time ago? So what then is this flogging a dead horse from u and ppl like u?

TheSixthSense:
True. I don't know the whole story just Ese's version, but it seemed honest and I believed her. Her story didn't read like calumny on the pastor or his church, just a emotionally torturous personal experience. Also, in all my years, I have never seen an innocent person accused of wrong doing who remained quiet. Never. So, I don't know why you are assuming in his stead when the person accused has refused to acknowledge or admit anything. The girl was hurt, she received death threats, in fact at the point of writing she didn't care anymore if she was going to get murdered. From her account, she did everything a christian ought to do but the pastor, who is supposed to know Scripture, stayed mum.

If he has/had come to his senses, he would own up to his wife (Of course, we wouldn't know this) and church then apologise to Ese. Not for the affair, because it was mutual, but for her unfair treatment and dishonouring his position as senior pastor. It is the moral thing to do. It is what a parent would advise his/her child to do.
I once heard a testimony in church of a girl abused by a preacher for years (it may sound mutual, we usually blame the girls but the pastors go as far as telling them it is the will of God, quote scripture and threaten them with biblical curses if they leave). What saved her was NYSC call-up that took her to another state. She stopped church almost became an atheist. After about 8 years she gave her testimony, crying like a woman raped the previous day. Let me ask you, did or has God forgiven that pastor?

I think it is very insensitive for you to say that because the pastor didn't rape her all is fine. Maybe you didn't read the story. Why don't you leave the matter instead, rather than tacitly support the pastor without a testimony.
Pastors have apologised for all sorts of things, nobody leaves the churches, but only a christian who fears God would apologise.

Bros, like I said. We don't know the full story. And im not supporting/protecting pastor biodun in any way.

My issue is why should it be that anytime anything about coza is mentioned, some ppl will refer to Ese Walter's case? What even made me make this post is that I read a post made here on nairaland about Pastor Benny Hinn coming to coza and some ppl were saying he should go and ans the Ese Walter's case. What has Benny Hinn's coming got to to with Ese Walter?

And mind u, i read the story. Ese Walters side of the story. And if you r honest enough, you'd agree that no one will judge himself wrongly while presenting a case. Ppl always tells the part the other party got wrong. As for pastor Biodun not telling the whole world his version, thats up to him as to why he reacted that way. Ppl hv different ways they deal with issues. This is someone whose child died, and the church didnt even know about it. Just a very few handful of the senior staff of the church. It was months later, during the Ese Walter's saga that the church got to know about it. Just leave the mattet alone. U dont know what fully transpired. And my point is that its high time ppl (like u also) move on with ur lives...

lastmessenger:
If he cant keep to his wife,then he has no business carrying the bible and telling people not to sin.
Common op dont sell your soul to the devil

Mr perfect! I'm sure you've never sinned. I'm sure you've never quarreled anyone over an offence u find urself committing sometimes (like lying etc). Have u crucified urself cos of that?

That u might not hv identified with adultery doesn't mean u don't identify with other wrongs.

Even the great apostle Paul said "that which I do not want to do, I find myself doing. And that which I want to do, I see myself not doing"..... Nobody is above mistake. That's what I'm saying.

Pidggin:
Who is he preaching to, if he cannot lead by example.

My dear, I'm sure you've counselled younger ones against lying. And perhaps even purnish some for lying. Yet once in a while, u catch urself lying. What do u do then?

TheSixthSense:
I think it is an unchristian (at least my own chrisitianity) thought to hold when you say God has forgiven him even when he hasn't apologised and you laugh at people who demand the truth from him. Has God forgiven Rev King if he hasn't reconciled with the family of those he burnt alive? or those Kenyan pastors that do as they please and abuse their victims.

I read Ese Walter's story and if her account is true, she acted like a christian. The bible says godly sorrow brings repentance, and as such although she sinned - which is not unusual for any christian - because of her faith she couldn't live with her convicted conscience anymore to continue in sin so she approached the pastor, and another one in the church, told her friends but what did she get from supposed christians 'touch not my anointed' and death threats before she went public. That as much as I can remember.

When you sin against God, ie. without hurting anyone eg. having death wishes against your brother, you ask God for forgiveness. When you sin against man ie. you offend another, you ask the person for forgiveness and God. Now, the latter is not a must but as a christian it is the right thing to do because as long as the person holds it against you, one is just deceiving himself/herself as a christian.

What did Christ say about forgiveness?
'If another member of the church sins against you, go and point out the fault when the two of you are alone. If the member listens to you, you have regained that one. But if you are not listened to, take one or two others along with you, so that every word may be confirmed by the evidence of two or three witnesses. If the member refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if the offender refuses to listen even to the church, let such a one be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector.' (Matt 18:16-17)

The point here is three times you notify the person, going subsequently with witnesses that you have been offended.

Confession
'He who covers his sins will not prosper, but whoever confesses and forsakes them will have mercy' (Prov 28:13)
'Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man has great power to prevail' (James 5:16)

Here you can see that acknowledgement to self of transgression is not sufficient rather the next step of confessing becomes necessary. To the to the one offended and the brethren if need be. The second verse also implies that one has become unrighteous and the prayer ceases to have great power to prevail. 'If I had cherished iniquity in my heart, the Lord would not have listened' (Ps 66:18)

Reconciliation
'Therefore if you are offering your gift at the altar and there remember that your brother has something against you, leave your gift there before the altar. First go and be reconciled to your brother; then come and offer your gift' (Matt 5:23)

'If one turns away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer is an abomination' (Prov 28:9)

These imply that all the gold and silver and prayer, becomes an abomination that is unacceptable to God if his word isn't followed to set things right.

Of course, I am a wretched sinner, the worst of them.

It is very difficult but that's what being a christian is about. So, yes I acknowledged and have apologised. It is left to the people to forgive me or not but I have done what is right before God and man. Thank God I didn't have weighty sins against people.

I am not treating the man any kind of way. I only respond to your opinion about it. I'm sure Ese Walters has forgiven him, she is married now. I am only a spectator keeping an ear for his 'divine response' as he promised. Anyway, it's not that serious because it was not sexual abuse but a love adventure between them as told by Ese.

**And honestly, we don't need to know Scripture before we know what's right by our conscience.

Bros, its not as if I don't get u. Or that I'm trying to defend anyone per say. The fact is that u don't know the full story.

Consider this. Both of them had unlawful sexual affairs with convention. The pastor didn't rape her.

Ese Walters didn't go to media immediately after the incidence. So, u don't really know what transpired between the two from the time interval between the said affair and the time Ese felt to come out to the open.

U don't know if the pastor had come to his senses and decided to call it quits, before Ese did what she did (I'm not saying that's how it went down). But just understand u don't know the whole story.

ikorodureporta:
minista of defense!

Minister of accusation!

MARKone:
Yeah I just did bro, but why not gather the said collection and hand it over to the woman, instead of buying the car for the woman, and she subsequently selling same, doesn't make sense, anyway its just my opinion. Peace.

Maybe the pastor got a gift of an additional car and decided to bless someone else with one of his cars... I don't think there is anyway any rational man would buy a new car for a widow.

DjAduba:
Why Pastors now a days giving out Luxury cars to widows instead of giving them cash or start up a small or micro businesses for them.

Consider the possibility that car was a gift given to the pastor. And maybe he has some cars already. So why keep many cars? Then he finds someone who needs financial assistance, and thought "why give her money and still keep many cars (that he really doesn't need), and instead give her one of the cars and tell her to sell the car and use the money to fix her need".

tonio2wo:
You definitely would not know.
I dont need to announce to d whole world that I gave the poorest beggar in my community. I give because am moved to give not because I want the whole world to praise me for giving.

If a pastor gives in secret and u don't know about it, you'd say he doesn't help the poor. If the pastor gives and ppl get to know about it, you'd say he's showing off, that he should hv done it in secret. What a generation!!

MARKone:
I dint know what"s with these new generation churches with car gifts. Open business for the woman and stock her shop or whatever with goods, if you are so so generous, include scholarship for her children. How she wan come maintain the Lincoln Nav, in her current state, madam sell off the thing jare.

Bros be patient and read the whole text. Read the part that says she sold the car to start up a biz.

TheSixthSense:
So tell me, does your christianity tell you to go about doing wrong and hurting people because as long as you confess to God it's alright? The people you offend can go and die for all you care. If that is what you think then, honestly, I have no words for you. May you or anyone you know never get abused by any 'man of God' maybe then you will be smiling at their sorrow because God has forgiven the offender.

Bros, have u never sinned? Have u never hurt ppl in ur life? Would u want the wrongs u did be treated the way u r treating this man? Ans me.

I normally laugh/smile whenever any post is made on social media regarding Pastor Biodun, and the comments that normally follow (Biodun vs Ese Walter's case).

Ese Walter accused Pastor Biodun of having extramarital affairs with her. Biodun didnt say anything about it.

Did Pastor Biodun really do it? I dont know. Maybe he did.

But then come to think of it. I've seen this Pastor Biodun. The guy is tall, very handsome and rich. Honestly for the sex scandals surrounding him to be limited to one lady, I'd score him very high in areas of self restrain n fidelity. Someone like that, gurls would definitely wanna hv affair with him, not minding he's a pastor!

Now, many Nigerians r demanding he apologises. You'd wait a very long time! If he sins, he confesses to the One who has the power to forgive him. When David sinned in the bible, he confessed to God, and he was forgiven.

But its funny how many of us who live with women who aren't our wives and have sex almost everyday are among those condemning this man. Forgetting the pastor is still flesh and blood, and is bound to make mistakes.

oruma19:
Biodun fatoyinbo lied he never bleeped Ese Walters. He has not come out to apologize to Christians for his deed. How come he still preaches to people? Are they reasonable at all? I am not criticizing him because he bleeped, I am criticizing because he lied. He should apologise and repent genuinely before people like me will take him serious. If not, I consider him a yeyebrity and not a pastor. He is free to invite anybody from anywhere to preach but if he does not confess his fault (cos he made the poor girl he bleeped look like a liar, whereas she is a girl of clear conscience), he will just continue to be a sign board(directing people to a place but never going there).

Hahahaha.
U said Biodun lied. How did he lie?
To the best of my knowledge, he was just mute over the matter.
If he really bleeped the gurl (which I continue to say it's possible), he must hv apologised to the one who had the power to forgive him.
Stay there and be full of hate, while the man is waxing stronger.

NB. I don't in any way condone or support pastors having extramarital affairs. But just understand that guy is a man just like any of us. He has tendencies to slip and get up.

ilynem:
But sir, this your post is a hateful one. What's your point?

Exactly! Kettle calling pot black. Lol

oruma19:
a so called MOG with spiritual and financial powers scattered Ese's punany without consequence. Other men of God looked away as if nothing happened either because that are also involved in such things or they just wanted to cover up for biodun fatoyinbo. It's only in Nigeria and Africa in general that you do such things without consequence. Today, he wants to bring Benny hinn to come and preach to who If biodun fatoyinbo does not apologise to Nigerians and the Christian community he should be discountenanced by reasonable and responsible Christians. Nonsense hypocrite.

My good brother....Nobody really knows u exist. Lols

EbukaLive:
Benny Hinn and Pastor 'Pull-down-your-panties' are same of the same. It is really disheartening that Christians have been deceived by religion. The one thing that made Christ very angry and even made him go physical was religion and religious practices, the only set of people he CURSED during his time where on earth were religious people. Yet so called Christians will be claiming Christianity as a religion. If you truly believe in Jesus, you have no religion, you have no church(building/organisation). The only church you belong to is the BODY OF CHRIST... Open your Bible and Read. Little wonder these religious Christian have become full blown BIGOTS(ethnic/religious) forgetting what Jesus commanded us to love our neighbours(sinners, Muslims, pagans, gays, killers, outcast, different race) as ourselves and He also commanded us to love our enemies and even do good to those who persecute us and despitefully use us. That the greatest commandment is LOVE.

But today we see hate everywhere and the temperature of hate is even hottest in the so called churches...

So what really is ur point?
That we should forsake the gathering of brethren?
And this ur issue of calling the pastor "pastor pull down ur pants", r u really better off than him?
U r here spewing of how Christians hate and all that, yet u r there cursing another man whom God had forgiven a very long time ago (that's if he actually did that thing, which is possible he did). Have u ever wondered why the only man God himself called "a man after my own heart" also had sex related offence? Stay there and keep hanging on to old offences that hv been forgiven by God.

sassiemyk:
chisos, I hate this. I can break up with a girl cos armpit and kpekus hair. wharisdis? dirty celebrity.

Bros easy. Calm down. It was part of the make up just for the movie. Lol

Dam5reey:
I don't have to read anything your issue is not speed test....

You don't have 4G or LTE so what are you testing?

The topic should be "why is my phone not on 4G "

Your phone might not support the Band 28 that's all case closed...

Bros abeg pls try read what the OP posted before commenting, to avoid continuing appearing planily stupid.

anonimi:
This is impressive.
However, you don't START building a house from the rooftop.
I hope that he has a robust investment in EDUCATION for children in sciences.
Otherwise these fine fine oyoyo buildings will overgrown with weed, cobwebs etc in no time.


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Bros, in as much as I get where u r going to, but first of all appreciate the man for what he's doing. Its not easy. He's not the richest, but many richer than him haven't even done for the society 7% of what this man has done. U talked about making provisions for the grassroots education and all that. Remember this man isn't ur govt. And besides, the govt has already made provisions for that (ur secondary schs and universities). Pls never u for a second again speak ill of this man's largess.

hilaomo:
[size=18pt]SO make we go die because them get first class from private university abi[/size]

Jealousy! U couldn't even read the post well. Since when did Akwa Ibom State University become a private university?

Adaowerri111:
Why won't he be stuck, see his shirt, fake pastors disgracing Christianity

What is the relationship between his shirt and him being a pastor? If he wears a designer shirt you'd say he's living large while his congregation r suffering. He wears a cheap shirt, you'd say he's disgracing Christianity.

seyiojomu:
Do u wanna go that line for real? Bringing your religous views into a social and modern society discussion? If yes, identify urself pure first cos no sin is bigger than another.

Am no supporter neither am I discouraging people on this subject, dere are advantages and disadvantages, teach ur kids the right ways and its up to them to use their free will and mind on discerning what is right to do or not.

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Oh sorry! I thought u were a Christian! Sorry for bothering u, bro.