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@real Berni
Whats your understanding of this titles,the FATHER and the SON.
Because thats the KEY to the verse(1cor15:27-28)you quoted.
lets start from there.

Good question

[size=18pt]the FATHER....(the Almighty God)[/size] is hereinafter reffered to as 'he' in the context; who ''put all things under His (the son, jesus's) feet''.

27 For[size=18pt] “He[/size] has put all things under His [size=14pt](jesus's)[/size] feet.” But when [size=18pt]He[/size] says “all things are put under [size=14pt]Him (jesus, God's son)

,[/size]” it is evident that [size=18pt]He (the Almighty God)[/size] who put all things under [size=14pt]Him (the son, jesus's)[/size] is excempted.

in summary;

# The Father is Greater than the son.

# the son is under the father, and subject to the father and are not co-equal! even sharing some form of title(s) does not make them equal. as explanations thereafter rendered suspicious statement bare!

# The father even made the son 'lower than the angels at a particular time' before exaulting him.

Am sorry too.
Ok,when am less busy,we can discuss.few hours time.
By the way,WELCOME to the Religion section.

you are welcome too, brother!

i will but address me as Bidam not as i. Chuka

wow! sorry Bidam, im on so many sitss and just mix your name!

@op

i quite agree with you,

i just want to adress tread derailers who are without cortesy and respect first,

Back to buz

i think greed has eaten these modern day so called men of God,

what is the practice among the early christian? setting something aside for what purpose? is it to enrich? no, but the truth is to offset the poors deficiency in the church! lets read;

2 corinthian 8:13-15;

13 For I do not mean that others should be eased and you burdened; 14[size=14pt] but by an equality, that now at this time your abundance may supply their lack, that their abundance also may supply your lack—that there may be equality. [/size]15 As it is written, “He who gathered much had nothing left over, and he who gathered little [size=14pt]had no lack[/size].”

@i chuka

But many do not see how Jesus Christ could also be called "The mighty God, The everlasting Father".

those many people dont seem to seek the truth, let me show you this;

jesus is 'a God' or Mighty God, but not the [size=16pt]Almighty[/size] God, nowhere in the bible shows jesus as the almighty, can you dispute that? show me pls!

you can imagine why God almighty made jesus to be born through the 'house of David' through the tribe of judah,

now, thats why 'the house of David is like God', the same way 'an angel of the lord before them too was like God'

read;

zechariah 12:8 king james version

''and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the LORD before them.

can you see that the capital letter 'G' was actually used above! and not god 'g' lowercase!(note the difference here; Psalm 82:6 "I said, 'You are "gods"; you are all sons of the Most High.',
so,no big deal in calling someone god as you can see in psalms above!

but then;

Exodus 14:19

''Then the angel of God, who had been traveling in front of Israel's army, withdrew and went behind them. The pillar of cloud also moved from in front and stood behind them'',

do you want to know this angel of the lord, 'who is like God'?

there is still more to come, my brother!

@Geevan

@real_Berni

I thought I made it clear I'm only in this to enlighten you and other folks. Nothing more, nothing less! Where did I agree with the superiority of the bible? I guess your english is very faulty! Please read the sentence well.

do you need big lenses? ok get it on and Go to your first post (post 4) and read the last words on the first paragraph;

Please stop using CREDIBLE to describe the bible. The bible is anything but most credible.

"O people of the Book! commit no excesses in your religion: nor say of Allah aught but truth.

then,

questions

Tell me why sharia law never catch any member of nothern parliament,not even a single influencial person for good 8 yrs of its implementation? but an ALMAJIIRI deprived of education not knowing left or right are the culprits! can you deny that?

you amputate the gulible hands because they are poor, then the rich commit worst and gets away! can you see how impotent your sharia is also? you think you are fooling God? answer me these!

Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an Apostle of Allah and His Word which He bestowed on Mary and a Spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His Apostles. Say not "Trinity": desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is One Allah: glory be to him:

you see yourself now, i dont believe in trinity but one God! okay!

(for Exalted is He) above having a son.

must God impregnate to have a son? or even call anyone my son? must you be biological? cant you get life,and stop following this sex monger called muhhammed!

What are the answer to my questions?

have you answer mine questions? no,

i have summarise your answer in the post b4 this, '2 timothy 3:16-17

''all scriptures(all the 66 books OT/NT sacred scriptures) is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching''...
i can quote from paul or from jesus, they are all inspired of God'

Are you running away? Please come back here!

are you not the one dodging questions, answer me again, Is Muhhamed not the cause of Barstards we have today? used for suicide bombings? because he cause husbands not to be irresponsible to their wife, but have many wives and do nothing to care for them?

@real_Berni

I thought I made it clear I'm only in this to enlighten you and other folks. Nothing more, nothing less! Where did I agree with the superiority of the bible? I guess your english is very faulty! Please read the sentence well.

do you need big lenses? ok get it on and Go to your first post (post 4) and read the last words on the first paragraph;

Please stop using CREDIBLE to describe the bible. The bible is anything but most credible.

"O people of the Book! commit no excesses in your religion: nor say of Allah aught but truth.

then,

questions

Tell me why sharia law never catch any member of nothern parliament,not even a single influencial person for good 8 yrs of its implementation? but an ALMAJIIRI deprived of education not knowing left or right are the culprits! can you deny that?

you amputate the gulible hands because they are poor, then the rich commit worst and gets away! can you see how impotent your sharia is also? you think you are fooling God? answer me these!

Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an Apostle of Allah and His Word which He bestowed on Mary and a Spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His Apostles. Say not "Trinity": desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is One Allah: glory be to him:

you see yourself now, i dont believe in trinity but one God! okay!

(for Exalted is He) above having a son.

must God impregnate to have a son? or even call anyone my son? must you be biological? cant you get life,and stop following this sex monger called muhhammed!

What are the answer to my questions?

have you answer mine questions? no,

i have summarise your answer in the post b4 this, '2 timothy 3:16-17

''all scriptures(all the 66 books OT/NT sacred scriptures) is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching''...
i can quote from paul or from jesus, they are all inspired of God'

Are you running away? Please come back here!

are you not the one dodging questions, answer me again, Is Muhhamed not the cause of Barstards we have today? used for suicide bombings? because he cause husbands not to be irresponsible to their wife, but have many wives and do nothing to care for them?

@i chuka

lol.
I can see why you need to focus more on your Video biz(in the business section) and stop trying to GIVE what you don't really HAVE!!

my brother, i expect you to counter 1 corinthians 15:27-28,

its not a fight, ok i withdraw those last words ''can you see why you need to read bible and not depend on what your pastors says''
im sorry for that!

but then, lets discuss the bible 1 corinthians 15:27-28 really nail the head, 'that when the statement that everything 'power in heaven and earth' is beign put under jesus, the person, (God) that put these under him, is EXCLUDED

and further added these to clarify any doubt;

VS28...''then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him who put all things under Him''

you can really see that?

@i.chuka

That in the name of JESUS every knee shall bow,in Heaven,on Earth and under the Earth..Phillp2:10.
Every other name is under the canopy of the name of Jesus.

i can see that you want to learn,....''That in the name of JESUS every knee shall bow,in Heaven,on Earth and under the Earth''..Phillp2:10.

does that includes God, the almighty father? capital no, because God was exempted, read;



1 Corinthians 15:27-28
New King James Version (NKJV)

27 For “He has put all things under His feet.” But when He says “all things are put under Him,” it is evident that [size=16pt]He who put all things under Him is excepted.[/size]

28 Now [size=16pt]when all things are made subject to Him, then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him who put all things under Him,[/size] that God may be all in all.

can you see why you need to read bible and not depend on what your pastors says!

@Geewan

@real_Berni

Bash me? You just made the wrong choice. I'll try as much as possible not to insult you back. You see the problem? You christians always abuse at will. What has my imam done to you to deserve this insult? Obviously that shows you have nothing to offer but insult. I can only enlighten you and the moment I see another insult from you I will take it that you have decided to die in your ignorance. We can enlighten ourselves anywhere!

The bible was written with false pen (Jeremiah 8:. And why would you base you religion not on Jesus (PBUH) but on Paul who never saw Jesus (PBUH)? You can read more in "Misquoting Jesus" by Bart Ehrman.

The Qur'an is best understood in its Arabic form. In that way, it will be hard for mis-interpretation as we currently have it with the bible. That's why sometimes when I read the Qur'an I shed tears for people like you whose heart is sealed.

Do you know how many Muslims have been killed trying to educate BH members? There are bad eggs in every religion and we Muslims are dealing with the BH menace. JTF comprises more of Muslims and they are during the best they can. Though I still insist BH is more of political than religion.

Your ignorance is killing and I know it is intentional. If I say "Kill people not" and you remove the not and say "Kill people" are we still saying the same thing? Definitely not! The entire chapter in the Quran should be taken into cognisanse rather than the verse.

A christian friend of mine just got back from egypt the other day his words are completely different from what you are trying to insinuate here. Sudan's problem has to do with oil and now the countries are relatively peaceful now. I will rather go to Syria and Mali than leave in igboland (just my opinion and I don't mean to be rude). For how long was Liberia, Siera loane, Congo, Rwanda, Angola, etc in turmoil? You cannot cover up history. The progress of UAE, Iran, Iraq (before America decided otherwise), kuwait, Saudi Arabia, etc is a well know fact. These countries would come out strong I can guarantee you that. You said 90% but list just 4 countries out of about 50 Muslim countries that is just 8%. I'm still waiting for the others.

"The 100 - a Ranking of the Most Influential Person in History" by Michael H. Hart, a Christian American, an astronomer, a mathematician, a chess master, & a scientist. After extensive research, he rated prophet Muhammad (PBUH) as number one and to be considered as the most influential single figure in human history.

"My choice of Muhammad to lead the list of the world's most influential person may surprise some readers and may be questioned by others, but he was the only man in history who was supremely successful on both the religious and secular levels. It is probable that the relative influence of Muhammad on Islam has been larger than the combined influence of Jesus Christ and St. Paul on Christianity. Furthermore, Muhammad (unlike Jesus) was a secular as well as religious leader. In fact, as the driving force behind the Arab conquests, he may well rank as the most influential political leader of all time. It is this unparalleled combination of secular and religious influence, which I feel, entitles Muhammad to be considered the most influential single figure in human history."

Mahatma Gandhi, speaking on the character of Muhammad, (pbuh) says in (Young India):

"I wanted to know the best of one who holds today's undisputed sway over the hearts of millions of mankind. I became more than convinced that it was not the sword that won a place for Islam in those days in the scheme of life. It was the rigid simplicity, the utter self-effacement of the Prophet, the scrupulous regard for his pledges, his intense devotion to this friends & followers, his intrepidity, his fearlessness, his absolute trust in God and in his own mission. These & not the sword carried everything before them and surmounted every obstacle. When I closed the 2nd volume (of the Prophet's biography), I was sorry there was not more for me to read of the great life.". Those are not my words. And you are here completely brainwashed & believing in your pastor whose mission is to milk you dry under the guise of tithe.

The similitude of Adam (PBUH) is that of Jesus(PBUH), they both have no fathers. John (PBUH) was sinless. Moses (PBUH) performed miracle as well. Jesus (PBUH) is a beloved and respected messenger of Allah. Show me in the bible where Jesus (PBUH) said he is God and you should worship him. And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God - Luke 18:19.

Christianity is still alive today for economic reasons (missionary scholarship, etc) and people will prefer to dance azonto in church rather that worship God.

I have some questions for you and please no insult.
How old was Mary (May the peace and blessing of Allah be upon her) when she miraculously conceived Jesus (PBUH) and how old was Joseph? Was Jesus (PBUH) truly born in December 25? What religion did Jesus (PBUH) practiced? What is the last name of Apostle Paul and what country is he from? Do you actually believe God is 3 in 1? Did Jesus (PBUH) spoke in the cradle? Was Jesus (PBUH) truly crucified? What is the last name of Mark, luke, Matthew, Timothy, etc?

2 timothy 3:16-17

''all scriptures(all the 66 books OT/NT sacred scriptures) is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching''...
i can quote from paul or from jesus, they are all inspired of God,

muhammed is a joke, a bad exampler, because he causes women to be molested because he cannot control his lust, bastards we have today are from muslems, which culminate in providing an easy tool for suicide bombings,when you are promoting irresponsibilities by not showing love to them, i spent 8 yrs in kano, and the way islam is practiced is irritating and dehumanising.

thank God that bible is older than your quaran! so respect your elder, olodo!

at least you admitted bibles superiority in your post,below

GEEWAN

Please stop using CREDIBLE to describe the bible. The bible is anything but most credible.

case closed, ''The bible is anything but most credible''.

Everything was created through Him and for Him. (Colossians 1:16 NLT)

The key to everything with God is Life.... We must realize that Christ's ascendancy, supremacy, power, ability and all that goes with Headship, is in terms of His prerogative of Life. He is the Son, vested with Life; He has the right given Him of God to give Life to as many as believe. That is why He is Head. We can set up people in office and make Popes of them and they may make great claims, but what does it amount to? When We come up against death, what can they do? But bring in one who has the power of life over death, be he ever so humble on this earth, he is head, he is master, he is lord. You may bring all the greatest physicians that the world knows into the presence of death, and when death takes charge, they are helpless. But supposing you bring in a little, insignificant person who is nobody, with no capabilities whatever in this world, no training, and that one be invested with the power of life over death, he rules out all these others, they are as nothing in his presence, he is lord of the situation.

Christ is Head, not just by appointment, but in terms of Life. We may be very insignificant people on this earth, nothing at all to be taken account of by the world, but if only we have Christ in fullness of Life we are in a supreme position, we make all the great organizations and institutions as nothing. It is a spiritual thing, the impact of Christ; not tradition, not history, not theology, but the spiritual power of His presence in terms of Life through faith and righteousness.

then what is christ relation ship with God Almighty, is God same or under christ supremacy? answer pls, waaiting!

@Geewan

your coming to this tread is out of your boudary but, i will not hesitate to bash you, im prepared for that, and you? lets go!

@real_Berni

Are we followers of Islam complaining? The answer is NO!

why would you complain? do you have a single right in the first place to complain? when Mugun like you have sold your right to dirty immams who dont even have their bath and stinking, immams who impose those rubbish on you! pls tell them to go and shave, and have their trousers touching their feet, ehn, not between their knees and their feet,olodo!

The translated English version of the Qur'an is available everywhere for your reading pleasure.

if the translated version is every where, why confusing your followers with those junk arabic language so as to distract them after rendering them uneducated,

something like this, Alaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa akbar! aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! instead of just saying 'God is Almighty' simple, and the message is straight, instead of stupid stupid stupid arabic without relevance, just noice! okay?
now let me teach you what the bible says on these jargons below;

002.177 لَيْسَ الْبِرَّ أَنْ تُوَلُّوا وُجُوهَكُمْ قِبَلَ الْمَشْرِقِ وَالْمَغْرِبِ وَلَكِنَّ الْبِرَّ مَنْ آمَنَ بِاللَّهِ وَالْيَوْمِ الآخِرِ وَالْمَلائِكَةِ وَالْكِتَابِ وَالنَّبِيِّينَ وَآتَى الْمَالَ عَلَى حُبِّهِ ذَوِي الْقُرْبَى وَالْيَتَامَى وَالْمَسَاكِينَ وَابْنَ السَّبِيلِ وَالسَّائِلِينَ وَفِي الرِّقَابِ وَأَقَامَ الصَّلاةَ وَآتَى الزَّكَاةَ وَالْمُوفُونَ بِعَهْدِهِمْ إِذَا عَاهَدُوا وَالصَّابِرِينَ فِي الْبَأْسَاءِ وَالضَّرَّاءِ وَحِينَ الْبَأْسِ أُولَئِكَ الَّذِينَ صَدَقُوا وَأُولَئِكَ هُمُ الْمُتَّقُونَ

above are the jargons that are irrelevant, and paul was quick to tell us these;

1 corinthians 14:8-14

8 [size=14pt]For if the trumpet makes an uncertain sound, who will prepare for battle? 9 So likewise you, unless you utter by the tongue words easy to understand, how will it be known what is spoken? For you will be speaking into the air. 10 There are, it may be, so many kinds of languages in the world, and none of them is without significance. 11 Therefore, if I do not know the meaning of the language, I shall be a foreigner to him who speaks, and he who speaks will be a foreigner to me. 12 Even so you, since you are zealous for spiritual gifts, let it be for the edification of the church that you seek to excel.[/size]

Please stop using CREDIBLE to describe the bible.[size=16pt] The bible is anything but most credible.[/size]

bolded above, God bless you for forcing you to give bible 'the most credible' against quaran that is not credible but rather as tools for boko haram!

If you care to know what Prophet Muhammed (PBUH) said about education, see below:
Abu Hurairah (May Allah be pleased with him) reported: The Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) said, "Allah makes the way to Jannah (Paradise) easy for him who treads the path in search of knowledge. [Muslim].

so what are you doing by not EDUCATING or showing these to MILLIONS of gulible ALMAJIRIIS in KANO,ZAMFARA,GOMBE,MAIDUGURI,KADUNA ,KATSINA and so on. or do you think that if the 12 old girl raped by Ahmed Yerima of zamfara the sharia master in Nigeria, do you think she will notclaim her right, but i dont blame him, when his oga A SO CALLED PROPHET MUHHAMED salalaam-alaikun-Asalam is a sex monger impregnating UNEDUCATED women at will, what do you expect?

A classic example of quoting the Qur'an out of context.
"Excepting those of the idolaters with whom ye (Muslims) have a treaty, and who have since abated nothing of your right nor have supported anyone against you. (As for these), fulfil their treaty to them till their term. Lo! Allah loveth those who keep their duty (unto Him). Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. And if anyone of the idolaters seeketh thy protection (O Muhammad), then protect him so that he may hear the Word of Allah, and afterward convey him to his place of safety. That is because they are a folk who know not" (Al Qur'an 9: 4-6).

i think you are an INFIDEL,also known as the (KAFIRIs), or the fake muslims, the original muslims are not quoting out of context,all the boko haram need is just that part of verse 5 of surah 9, and puuum! they strike, you better wake up from your slumber!

read the bolded above again, that is [size=14pt](Arabic: جماعة اهل السنة للدعوة والجهاد Jamā'atu Ahlis Sunnah Lādda'awatih wal-Jihad), better known as Boko Haram (Hausa: lit. "Western education is sinful"[/size] depends solely on surah 9:5, if you hold a different view pls pass it on to your colleagues, but if you fail or they refused your edification,then we dont need it on this tread,its irrelevant!okay/

Please list these 90% Muslim countries in war so we can take it up from there. You are wrong you guys have more problems to solve.

i dont think that you have shame, and if you have you think that i will be listing Syria,egypt,sudan,Mali et al, the point im driving at is that blood letting has been sanctioned as the order of the day from your muslim headquarter SAUDI, and if there must be a ceacefire,it must come through saudi Arabia!

maybe you think what true muslims boko haram not fake ones like you are saying is a joke read them below;

Abdulaziz named a former Head of State, Muhammadu Buhari; Dr. Shettima Monguno; a former Yobe State Governor, Bukar Ibrahim; Ambassador Gaji Galtimari; and Aisha Alkali Wakil, and her husband, Alkali as “trusted” Nigerians it would be ready to negotiate with in Saudi Arabia. see the shameless and murderers, sheiks who need your education,

On the sect’s team;

Abdulaziz, Abu Abbas,
Sheikh Ibrahim Yusuf,
Sheikh Sani Kontogora and
Mamman Nur.

http://www.punchng.com/news/boko-haram-wants-talks/

Lastly let me remind you of Allah (SWT) promise to people like you. "We shall show them Our portents on the horizons and within themselves until it will be manifest unto them that it is the Truth. Doth not thy Lord suffice, since He is Witness over all things?" - Al Qur'an 41:53.

bolded above, do you force what you perceive as truth on someone, or you make the person reason? so why must you force someone to reason with you without his or her consent? Al Qur'an 41:53 is impotent in front of all your attrocities, okay?

The problem I have with people like you is you think you are more knowledgeable about Islam than Muslims. I don't see the need for all you said above.

Salam/peace!

you cannot see the need because you support force,willfull murder, and not Al Qur'an 41:53, can you see that had it been that you are challenged or there is room to challenge, the attrocities in islam today would have bee reduced, im ashamed of your clerics who cowardly cheat the uneducated, thereby discouraging education, reducing a productive life to parasites; ALMAJIIRIS and Bara collectors, shame!

@DevotedOne

In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Ever Merciful The Eternal, The Righteous, The Owner Of Sovereignty, The Lord Of Majesty And Bounty, The Self-Sufficient, The Supreme, The Self-Subsisting In Whom All Subsist. The Peace Be Upon You, Everyone.


002.177 لَيْسَ الْبِرَّ أَنْ تُوَلُّوا وُجُوهَكُمْ قِبَلَ الْمَشْرِقِ وَالْمَغْرِبِ وَلَكِنَّ الْبِرَّ مَنْ آمَنَ بِاللَّهِ وَالْيَوْمِ الآخِرِ وَالْمَلائِكَةِ وَالْكِتَابِ وَالنَّبِيِّينَ وَآتَى الْمَالَ عَلَى حُبِّهِ ذَوِي الْقُرْبَى وَالْيَتَامَى وَالْمَسَاكِينَ وَابْنَ السَّبِيلِ وَالسَّائِلِينَ وَفِي الرِّقَابِ وَأَقَامَ الصَّلاةَ وَآتَى الزَّكَاةَ وَالْمُوفُونَ بِعَهْدِهِمْ إِذَا عَاهَدُوا وَالصَّابِرِينَ فِي الْبَأْسَاءِ وَالضَّرَّاءِ وَحِينَ الْبَأْسِ أُولَئِكَ الَّذِينَ صَدَقُوا وَأُولَئِكَ هُمُ الْمُتَّقُونَ
002.177 It is not righteousness that ye turn your faces Towards east or West; but it is righteousness- to believe in Allah and the Last Day, and the Angels, and the Book, and the Messengers; to spend of your substance, out of love for Him, for your kin, for orphans, for the needy, for the wayfarer, for those who ask, and for the ransom of slaves; to be steadfast in prayer, and practice regular charity; to fulfill the contracts which ye have made; and to be firm and patient, in pain (or suffering) and adversity, and throughout all periods of panic. Such are the people of truth, the Allah-fearing. Al-Qur'an, 002.177 (Al-Baqara [The Cow])



Salaam/Peace. DevotedOne

You muslims have a greater problem in the sense that while christians can discuss their own problem openly without hidding under foreign language learned to confuse people, something like this below;

002.177 لَيْسَ الْبِرَّ أَنْ تُوَلُّوا وُجُوهَكُمْ قِبَلَ الْمَشْرِقِ وَالْمَغْرِبِ وَلَكِنَّ الْبِرَّ مَنْ آمَنَ بِاللَّهِ وَالْيَوْمِ الآخِرِ وَالْمَلائِكَةِ وَالْكِتَابِ وَالنَّبِيِّينَ وَآتَى الْمَالَ عَلَى حُبِّهِ ذَوِي الْقُرْبَى وَالْيَتَامَى وَالْمَسَاكِينَ وَابْنَ السَّبِيلِ وَالسَّائِلِينَ وَفِي الرِّقَابِ وَأَقَامَ الصَّلاةَ وَآتَى الزَّكَاةَ وَالْمُوفُونَ بِعَهْدِهِمْ إِذَا عَاهَدُوا وَالصَّابِرِينَ فِي الْبَأْسَاءِ وَالضَّرَّاءِ وَحِينَ الْبَأْسِ أُولَئِكَ الَّذِينَ صَدَقُوا وَأُولَئِكَ هُمُ الْمُتَّقُونَ

is tottally confusing your followers, because they dont need these arabic above, or to learn these foreign languages to get the messages at least you should have credible translations. like the bible now, we have king james (1611) version as the most credible, for over 400 yrs,

and if you want to tell me that this arabic rendering of the quaran rather than focusing on the message, and instead of beign flexible you are rather too rigid,your quaran learned in arabic empowered you to kill,empowered Boko haram (Arabic: جماعة اهل السنة للدعوة والجهاد Jamā'atu Ahlis Sunnah Lādda'awatih wal-Jihad), better known as Boko Haram (Hausa: lit. "Western education is sinful"

have you ever ask yourself why you use internet while other muslims dont even go to school? is your quaran not more impotent to the extent that it empowered you to kill,also empowered Boko haram, lets see the surah verse relied upon by boko haram your co muslims;

THE QURAN 9:5;

Chapter (sura) 9:5;

9:5 When the sacred months are over ''slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them.''.

now, who are the idolaters? anyone other than a bonafide muslim,or a non-muslim is beign reffered to as a non muslim.

so, can you see that your quaran is even a curse to you muslims than blessing?
all 90 per cent of muslim nations are in war today, but they say islam is a religion of peace, can you ask youself what is the meaning of peace, what is a relative peace? i dont mean a graveyard quiet peace but a relative one, can you answer that?

if you cant, why dont you leave the tread for people (christians) who are a world far better than your so called blood letting muslim, and go and solve your problem,

you can open a tread, and let us compare muslim vs christian and you will see that you have more problem to solve.

and beign arrogant to paste a arabic on a page like this shows that you lack recpect!

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MUSULUMI:- Rara o, awa musulumi ko gba bee, nitori pe, Olohun so fun wa ninu Alukurani wi pe, oun ko bimo bee sini, enikan ko bi oun. Olohun tun je ki awa Musulumi mo ninu Alukurani, Suratul-Taobat, ori kesan, ese ogbon wi pe; “Awon Yahudi ni omo Olohun ni Usairu; awon Kristieni naa si n wi pe, omo Olohun ni Al-Masihu (Jesu). Iwonyii ni oro buruku ti o n jade lenu won. Won n fi ara we oro awon ti o se aigbagbo ni isaaju. Olohun gegun fun won. E woo bi won ti seri kuro nibi otito “ (Alukurani, 9:30) Olohun ni oro buruku ni lati maa so wi pe oun bimo. Bakan naa, Olohun tun tesiwaju ninu Alukurani Suratul-Mariyam, ori kokandinlogun, ese ikejidinlaadorun titi de iketaleelaadorun wi pe; “Ati pe, won n sope, (Oluwa) Ajoke aye fi enikan se omo. Dajudaju oro ti o buru ni won n so yii. Nitori oro yii, sanmo fe faya, ile si fe faya pelu, awon oke (apata) naa si fe wo ni wiwo patapata. Nitoripe, won n so pe Olorun bi omo kan. Ati pe, ko too fun (Oluwa) Ajoke aye pe ki o mu enikan ni omo. Ko si enikan ninu samon ati lori ile ayafi ki o wa ba (Oluwa) Ajoke aye ni jije Erusin: (Alukurani, 19:88-93) Nitori naa, Jesu kii se Omo Olohun.

PASITO:- E se pupo, e jowo, e je ki a lo sinu Bibeli, ninu iwe Johannu, ori keta, ese kerindinlogun, eleyi ti o ka bayii wi pe; “Nitori Olohun fe araye to be gee ti o fi omo bibi re kan soso fun ni, ki enikeni ti o ba gbaa gbo, ma ba segbe, sugbon, ki o lee ni iye ainipekun “(Johanu, 3:16) . A o ri daju wi pe ninu ese Bibeli yii, Jesu je omo Olorun kan soso. Sugbon, ki lo de ti e fi n so pe, Jesu kii se omo Olohun, nigba ti, a kaa jade ninu Bibeli wi pe omo Olohun nii se.
MUSULUMI:- E seun, mo fe ki e koko mo daju wi pe iforowero ti a n se yii wa ni ibamu si liana Bibeli, nitori pe, iwe Isaiah, ori kini, ese ikejidinlogun so pe; “Oluwa so wipe, wa nisinsinyii, ki e si je ki a so asoyepo {ISAIAH, 1:18] Bakan naa, a tun ri ka ninu iwe Tesalonika kinni, ori karun-un, ese ikokanlelogun wi pe; “E ma wadii ohun gbogbo daju, e di eyi ti o dara mu sinsin”
Nipa bayii, o se pataki fun gbogbo eda alaaye lati se iwadi finnifinni, ki a lee mo ododo yato si iro, ki a si di otito naa mu sinsinsin,

SE ENIKAN GBODO BI EEYAN,KI OUN TO LE PE ENI NAA NI OMO OUN? A SAA RI ENI TI O JE WIPE KO BI OMO,SUGBON O NPE OMO ELOMIRAN NI OMO OUN, TI O SI NI IDI TI DARA LATI PEE NI OMO OUN, NITIRINAA,BOYA OLORUN BIMO,TABI KO BIMO, IYEN KO YE KI O JE ARIYANJIYAN RARA! JESU JE OMO OLORUN, KO DI DANDAN KI OLORUN BI JESU,SUGBON O LE PEE NI OMO OUN!

@Maximus85,


I brushed thru d tread, and see that you seem to concentrate on an someones error leaving your own error,im not interested in why you guys beefed y'selves or how your church have taught u to reply p'ple, but u need to come out with clean hands,clear up a querry directed at you first which u pretend not to see, its here again,
below you said that you are making a first reply to a fellow;

Maximus85:Mr Joe, this is the first time I'm responding to your post. We have just a little above 7million baptized JWs in the world and if you can judge all of them based on the misbehavior of just 0.1% of them, then I must say you are man of true justice. And with ur sense of judgment can we conclude that all Nigerians are criminals?

your words in quote are denied altogether and you are directed to read again,it can be serious if you dont know what you have written before,

MyJoe: Quote Post

You need to read thread again. Because:

1. No, this is not the first time you are responding to my post.

2. No, I have not used the actions of 0.1% to judge anyone.

u need 2 clear the air,if you want to b taken seriously; are you replying a fellows's post for the first time? or you have replied b4 but shying away?, or have u fumbled in answering questions directed at u? or u are lying? answer dat. thanks

@snowwtea,
let me get u clealy;

If u keep following dis scandal, u'll get tired.Otedola's assignment was to discredit farouk's panel,he has achieved dat.everyoda thing will pan out with tym.Dis is politics in Nigeria.Do not gv urself hyper by expecting anything to come from dis saga!

start with this;

''Otedola's assignment was to discredit farouk's panel''

are you aware that farouk admit collecting the money?

then, ask yourself;,

1, was he forced to accept it?

2,did he carry us along by informing the sucurities?

3,now that he admit collecting the money, where is the money since april..more than 60 days?

or are you saying that fed govt knew that these guys are rougues, but then you cant say someone is a thief if he is not found guilty.

pls answer 1-by-1.

thanks

[b]yes,

@gzib,

@t

@kunlekunle,

since you have failed for the 4th time now to produce one country that practice democracy without

@kunlekunle,

sir,you have not answered my question for the 3rd time despite answering your with examples,again, [size=14pt]NAME ONE COUNTRY THAT RUN GOOD DEMOCRACY NOW, THAT THEIR DEMOCRACY NEVER EXPERIENCED EVEN WORSE THAN WHAT WE HAVE NOW IN NIGERIA,

YOUR ANSWER BELOW IS NOT ADDRESSING THAT;
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i'll define oligarchy for you.
govt of the people by the few for the small few.
do away with text book knowledge, think what you are thought.
my definition and yours are the same.
compare PDP with your definition

pls just one country.

@Davidylan,

And yet , [size=14pt]there is no day in outer darkness[/size] , making it even more implausible that the Lamb will actually be staring at the torment of the wicked through endless ages.

do you know anything called cherrypicking? maybe be you are just too concerned with that area of a context that you feel confortable with but its just unfair of you,no qualms. but can you explain above querry?

@kunlekunle,

you ask me a question,and i have answered yes, and i ask you a question below;

yes we have democracy, and give just one country that its democracy was very smooth from the on-set, just one please,im waiting.....

but instead you have not answered, NAME ONE COUTRY THAT RUN GOOD DEMOCRACY NOW THAT THEIR DEMOCRACY NEVER EXPERIENCED EVEN WORSE THAN WHAT WE HAVE NOW, YOUR ANSWER BELOW IS NOT ADDRESSING THAT;

i was very much around in buhari/idiagbon era. i condemned it then, when i realised how wrong i was. i was sorry for myself and the nation.

anyway you gave your own opinion,that what is being run in nigeria is oligarchy, but where were you when IBB/ABACHA were despotic?

do you even know the full defination and 'application' of oligarchy system of government? let me give you the defination,and countries that run it and compare if they are not better than Nigeria;

first,
oligarchy fully defined and applied;

An oligarchy is a ruling body composed of a committee of shared leadership. In most cases, the members of an oligarchy share leadership in a sort of bureaocracy that allows different people absolute power over certain aspects of government. It has been argued that [size=14pt]Communism as established in Russia and China can be considered an oligarchy because the governing body, the Politboro, makes most decisions and its members tend to have lengthy terms.[/size] The difference between an oligarchy and a democracy is that the shared leadership is not dependent upon the will of the people. Members of an oligarchy achieve their leadership through selection from within the already established members. Therefore, an oligarchy is actually a form of shared dictatorship in which the people have a limited role in the government.

pls again,name one country that operates smooth democracy without first undergo what nigeria is going thhrough now, just one, no name calling.

@rhymz,

I await your response to the issue and not some "legal summaries psychoanalyzing" my comments, you are better off giving strong arguments using verifiable sources and the bible to support your claims.

yet to get your reply now for days!!!

@KUNLEKUNLE,

a very simple question
do we have democracy in nigeria now?
we are in the period of GENESIS CHAPTER 1, where there was no other.

you need buhari as a person to rule at the top

yes we have democracy, and give just one country that its democracy was very smooth from the on-set, just one please,im waiting.....

and from your statements i can see that you have little experience in life, evident in the way you breezed through the whole write-up.

anyway you cannot force buhari on anyone but yourself, thanks

@kunlekunle,

you are good in politics but you cant analyse whats on the ground.
the problem we had in 83 is repeating itself.

oligarchy is the govt of elites, tell me if democracy is not dead.

what we have now is the gov of the people by the few for the small few.think over it and tell yourself the truth.

why buhari took over the govt, democracy was dead.

ok, no problems,

maybe we should return to military rule, because the present 1999 constitution has been rendered impotent by the military because of the immunity clause and very controversial room for the legislators to manuever things, for example farouk lawans case whereby he admitted to have collected a money,but up till now he cant produce the money,and he is walking free is largely due to his constitutional right on immunity,and because of this constitutional rights, jonathan cannot force the legislators to act outside the constitution.and if jonathan seek an amendment to correct that,the legislators knows what they are up to hold the right to accept the amendment on the immunity or not.

so as it is now, not even pastor Adeboye or Alhaji Adegbite or name any perceived good man in the society that can change anything in this present nigeria.

so military rule is the only government that can address problems fast the way you want,but then you as a citizen hold no right to know whats going on in the government,because the government hold the right to manuever things the way they want without public knowledge.

and i think thats where you guys seem to be getting things wrong,democracy allows you and i to be heard when we critisize the govnment without fear or intimidation, we have access to imformation through press,and that is why we can evaluate things going on in the government ourselves,but this is a taboo in military rule because when they starve you of the knowledge of whats going on,they cover their tracks.
for example;
lets see buhari's brief profile,

Buhari moved to silence critics of his administration, passing decrees curbing press freedoms and allowing for opponents to be detained up to three months without formal charges.

He also banned strikes and lockouts by workers

and founded Nigeria's first secret police force, the National Security Organization.

His government sentenced popular musician and political critic Fela Kuti to ten years in prison on charges that Amnesty International denounced as fabricated and politically motivated

Kuti was later pardoned and released by Buhari's successor IBB.

In another high-profile incident that sparked a diplomatic incident with Britain, British officials found Buhari's former transportation minister drugged in a crate marked for shipment to Lagos.

just because its not fresh in the memory of many does not portray buhari a better man for nigeria.

i actualy served as NYSC in his hometown Daura in katsina state,his 2 yrs rule as president is not even evident in the town, the illiteracy level in the town is another topic,as many are not even encouraged to go to school.

i dont have anything against the man,but pastor Bakare is just fighting only for his selfish ambition but playing on the emotion of frustrated nigerian to achieve this.but the profile of who bakare is fighting for is a 'die hard jihadist' 'born to rule activist'.lets tread softly pls.

@KUNLEKUNLE

kunlekunle:

He actually spoke like a man of christ.
Christ saw the ruins ahead of jerusalem, he wept for them.
When challenged of his speech, he said even this temple no stone shall remain on top of each other.
The pastor was simply advising you to know your rights, if not damnation lies ahead.

when paul too was was wrongly judged he appealed unto caeser (court in rome) know your right.

when paul was slapped by a roman soldier, he challenged him == if he had the right to beat a roman citizen.
know your right

most of you talking here where were you in 1983 when buhari overthrown 'a democratic gvernment of shagari' if bakare/buhari is our savior, buhari set us into 16 yrs military exile until it forcefully ended at abacha's death.
To refresh you a bit, buhari hates criticm,just ask people, he closed down daily times newspapers for criticm, he ordered the turture convict and jailed fela kuti for 10 yrs so also beeko ransome kuti,but the sentence was cut short by IBB in 1985,just 2 yrs,fela and beko freed.

go to buhari's hometown and see almajiris in thousands roaming the streets begging for foods, many of who are now ready made tools for 'boko haram'

pastor bakare was on a paid mission to break the christianity community to support the north in 2015 as the hausa fulani vows to gain their power back at all cost.

but that buhari will change anything? its laughable,but lets watch.

[b]@stagger,