THESE FRAUDSTERS MUST BE BROUGHT TO BOOK

agwo2july: She wrote a technical response meaning, their are documents, I think dis woman will be vindicated atlast. Coolu temper people and stop playing to d gallary

@agwo2july

Technical response indeed! what stops her from tendering where inflated costs were approved? i stand to be corrected if there is any document where 1.6m or 255m for 2 vehicles only was approved, if she got it she would have tendered it first at the summons by the national assembly, so evidently she is tight pressed.

Nobody is after her pls, but her insincere attitude is not not good, or even live any hope that this country will be better in the future when monies that can go a long way to better our generation and that to come is spent wastefully,

Granted she may not be the only currupt person but dont you see that the way this case will be treated 'MAY SET A STANDARD, AND EVEN GIVE HOPE TO A COMMON MAN IN THE COUNTRY' im not tribalistic, if you are poor you are poor it cuts accross the tribe.

Why is it very difficult for an a nigerian to throw in the towel rather than getting their case messier? stella now wants to share blame so as to get more people drown, instead of beign patriotic. ah its not a good example

ODUAH'S REPLY; 4.With regard to the procurement of additional operational vehicles (including BMW Security Vehicles), the following due process was observed:

(I) By letter dated April 15, 2013,[size=16pt] NCAA officially requested authorisation from the Federal Ministry of Aviation to procure 56 operational vehicles[/size] through lease financing. This option was proposed to the ministry to enable the NCAA make 36 monthly payments based on receipts from Internally Generated Revenue, IGR.

"NCAA officially requested authorisation from the Federal Ministry of Aviation to procure 56 operational vehicles" costing how much is the question,

Was the inflated and ridicoulous prices discussed at any time before implementation? Mrs stella furnish us with evidences where these high costs were mentioned, your letter is lacking substance we are looking for to nail the N/ASSEMBLY.... waiting pls

@naijacutee

pls help me make this thread on business forum a frontpage, i cant find an option to do that in the buz thread. it will save many from bad experience , thanks

https://www.nairaland.com/1482927/before-buy-electronics-ladipo-mkt

aluko360: Thanks for the info

ok brother, share it to your loved ones, its not worth experiencing, that what you laboured for in months was taken away from you in minutes by some lazy and heartless individuals whose do not believe in God, and you are left helpless. its not worth it!

im really disappointed at the way the police come around there pretending that nothing is happening, when you see a lot of people beign duped are sitting down helplessly for the whole day begging the fraudsters if they can have part of their money back

How can over 500 lcd tvs in 2 particular shop precisely (Zubytex ventures) shop 27 and 28 upstairs WHO OPERATES in the same upstair building FO filling-station opposite the Major big canal in ladipo market ALL ARE SCRAPS WITH NO CHANCE OR ZERO PER-CENT CHANCE OF GETTING JUST ONE lcd tv WORKING ABSOLUTELY VOILATES SEC 419 OF NIGERIA CONSTITUTION OF 'Obtaining under false pretence'

yes i fell in their traps and lost hundred of thousands. but i want to share my experience with NL so that people can learn and not experience the bitter taste im feeling and what to avoid.

I think some individuals are sabotaging 'the little hope an average nigerian have on buying fairly used items' and turn it into an advantage for dubious activities, the little money you have in order to attach more value to it is been taken away from you.

i reported the case to the police even their so called authority in the mkt but nothing was done, but i think if you are reading this share it with your loved ones.

An organised crime was allowed to be perpetrated by some so called igbo big boys in ladipo mkt, who Dare anybody to prosecute them, because they have the money to bail theirself out, they dine regularly with policemen who also take their own share of the cake, and kill your evidence. these guys use big cars ranging from jaguar to infinity fs35,45 etc, you you cant believe that they are not educated!

Hundreds of people fell into their traps daily loosing hundred of thousands to these fraudsters, whose trap are set just around the two warehouses beside the FO filling-station facing the big canal in ladipo market;

see how it works;

you came to ladipo mkt to buy electronics, as you approach the warehouse gate you see some boys coming to you 'oga wetin you need' correct LCT tv dey, make i take you to the real IMPORTER, now the working lcd TV say 32 inches is expensive because the least you will get it is between 35-40 thousand, while you can get same BRAND NEW with warranty at 45 thousand in cash-an-carry SPA, and other stores, now you are pissed off, and as you try to leave some of the boys will come to you saying 'make i take you to the real IMPORTERS'

dont follow them to any importer, those 'they'(the boys reffered to as importers) work with these boys to deliver people for them so as to trick them and commit them to buying scraps. these boys are 'marketers whose job is to spot buyers and persuade them to follow them to a so called importer' this is where you can lose your money and made to suffer

DONT COMPROMISE!


this same FO filling station was an upstair and when you go up there precisely shop 27 and 28 (Zubitex ventures) you will find hundreds of LCD TVs posed as NON-TESTED, wrapped severally to cover traces that they were already been opened and good components were already removed, just very close to the filling station these fraudters have a place that what they only do is to pieces fairly used imported LCD tvs from importers, having removed the vital components, there was another section whose job is to bind with Nylon and taking upstairs to be posed as NON-TESTED.

there was also restuarant uptairs there where people already duped are attended to making them to commit theirself more by pretending to help them to repair the lcd tv but with further deposit of money.

You will ask, that why cant you test the good that you want to buy, and they tell you that dont worry after payment you can take it downstairs to test because since they sell non-tested they dont have electricity to test it that is what they say, but again their boys who brought you will be hurrying you 'to pay' constantly telling you 'oga no problem e go work'

it will shock you to know that these boys will come back and take their own percentage from the money you paid buying scraps, thinking that you buy a NON TESTED


A non tested is never loosened or the bolts showing a touch of screw driver, but in their own case they wrapped these electronics with heavy nylon, but use sugarcoated mouth to commit you, pls DO NOT BUY ANY ELECTRONIC BINDED WITH A NYLON IN PRETENCE FOR FROTECTION FROM BREAKAGES, IF YOU MUST PAY, YOU MUST DEMAND THE NYLON LOOSENED AND TESTED, ANYTHING OTHERWISE IS CALLED COMPROMISE. And DO NOT HURRY TO DO THINGS RIGHT BEFORE YOU PAY.

WHY QUESTIONS,

1,why would the mkt authorities allow repairs INSIDE THE WAREHOUSE LATELY, because it was not there before? this is where the authorities compromised with the fraudsters who allows usefull components removed right there in the warehouse and the scrap posed and and sold as 'non-tested' with zero chance of working.

2, why do we have large rolls of NYLON in the warehouse?

3, why are marketers these fraudsters allowed arround the warehouse?



i have narrated all in the tread here, pls read

https://www.nairaland.com/1482897/lcd-tvs-wrapped-nylons-ladipo

In the 90's when you come to ladipo mkt and buy 5 items of 'non-tested' electronics in the warehouse in ladipo mkt in mushin, four will eventually work while the 5th may need little repairs. infact i supported myself in the university with selling non tested electronics which i sell to my colleages having tested and work it properly at times they pay me in piecemeal or in whole.

But now it has changed now!

How can over 500 lcd tvs in 2 particular shop precisely (Zubitex ventures) shop 27 and 28 WHO OPERATES in the same upstair building FO filling-station opposite the Major big canal in ladipo market ALL ARE SCRAPS WITH NO CHANCE OR ZERO PER-CENT CHANCE OF GETTING JUST ONE WORKING ABSOLUTELY VOILATES SEC 419 OF NIGERIA CONSTITUTION OF 'Obtaining under false pretence'

yes i fell in their traps and lost hundred of thousands. but i want to share my experience with NL so that people can learn and not experience the bitter taste im feeling and what to avoid.

i reported the case to the police even their so called authority in the mkt but nothing was done, but i think if you are reading this share it with your loved ones.

An organised crime was allowed to be perpetrated by some so called igbo big boys in ladipo mkt, who Dare anybody to prosecute them, because they have the money to bail theirself out, they dine regularly with policemen who also take their own share of the cake, and kill your evidence. these guys use big cars ranging from jaguar to infinity fs35,45 etc, you you cant believe that they are not educated!

Hundreds of people fell into their traps daily loosing hundred of thousands to these fraudsters, whose trap are set just around the two warehouses beside the FO filling-station facing the big canal in ladipo market;

see how it works;

you came to ladipo mkt to buy electronics, as you approach the warehouse gate you see some boys coming to you 'oga wetin you need' correct LCT tv dey, make i take you to the real IMPORTER, now the working lcd TV say 32 inches is expensive because the least you will get it is between 35-40 thousand, while you can get same BRAND NEW with warranty at 45 thousand in cash-an-carry SPA, and other stores, now you are pissed off, and as you try to leave some of the boys will come to you saying 'make i take you to the real IMPORTERS'

dont follow them to any importer, those 'they'(the boys reffered to as importers) work with these boys to deliver people for them so as to trick them and commit them to buying scraps. these boys are 'marketers whose job is to spot buyers and persuade them to follow them to a so called importer' this is where you can lose your money and made to suffer

DONT COMPROMISE!


this same FO filling station was an upstair and when you go up there precisely shop 27 and 28 (Zubitex ventures) you will find hundreds of LCD TVs posed as NON-TESTED, wrapped severally to cover traces that they were already been opened and good components were already removed, just very close to the filling station these fraudters have a place that what they only do is to pieces fairly used imported LCD tvs from importers, having removed the vital components, there was another section whose job is to bind with Nylon and taking upstairs to be posed as NON-TESTED.

there was also restuarant uptairs there where people already duped are attended to making them to commit theirself more by pretending to help them to repair the lcd tv but with further deposit of money.

You will ask, that why cant you test the good that you want to buy, and they tell you that dont worry after payment you can take it downstairs to test because since they sell non-tested they dont have electricity to test it that is what they say, but again their boys who brought you will be hurrying you 'to pay' constantly telling you 'oga no problem e go work'

it will shock you to know that these boys will come back and take their own percentage from the money you paid buying scraps, thinking that you buy a NON TESTED


A non tested is never loosened or the bolts showing a touch of screw driver, but in their own case they wrapped these electronics with heavy nylon, but use sugarcoated mouth to commit you, pls DO NOT BUY ANY ELECTRONIC BINDED WITH A NYLON IN PRETENCE FOR FROTECTION FROM BREAKAGES, IF YOU MUST PAY, YOU MUST DEMAND THE NYLON LOOSENED AND TESTED, ANYTHING OTHERWISE IS CALLED COMPROMISE. And DO NOT HURRY TO DO THINGS RIGHT BEFORE YOU PAY, BEWARE

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pls advice me on who to direct my case to because i have my evidences, pls you can kindly forward any good advice on steps that i need to take

my e-mail abas_oba@yahoo.com

thanks.

Bidam

the Op never even mentioned "Trinity" before you went on ur propaganda parade..

please can you go back to my first question to i.chuka in the previous page, it reads ive copied it here for clarity sake;

real_Berni:to i.chuka

then what is christ relation ship with God Almighty, is God same or under christ supremacy? answer pls, waaiting!

i.chuka :to real berni

That in the name of JESUS every shall bow,in Heaven,on Earth and under the Earth..Phillp2:10.
Every other name is under the canopy of the name of Jesus.

it was then that i quoted the bible verse that knocked out any plan to include God "as subject to Christ" when phil 2:10 says 'all things in heaven/earth is BEIGN PUT under christ, 1 c0rinthians 15:27-28 says God 'who put these things under christ 'was not included' but,all all things are put under jesus,jusus himself too will be subject to God who put all things under jesus, while God will be all in all

that is;

God own the wide canopy as while =

christ is a subject under Gods canopy =

all other things are also subject under christ through whom even we direct our prayer to God.

HAVE I MENTIONED TRINITY IN ANY OF MY POST, NO AND IF YOU SEE JUST ONE,PASTE IT HERE! AND IF YOU CANNOT FIND ONE MENTION OF TRINITY IN MY OWN POST, IT SHOWS THAT WHAT YOU TERMED AS PROPAGANDA IS A MISINFORMED CONCEPTION,

IF CHUKA DID NOT REPLY ME THAT EVERYTHING INCLUDING GOD IS UNDER CHRIST CANOPY,AND EVEN WENT FURTHER TURNING ALMIGHTY GOD TO ''A SO CALLED ALMIGHTY GOD IS POWERLESS WITHOUT CHRIST(do you agree with that?)'' I WOULD NOT HAVE REPLIED! OKAY, ALL I HAVE DONE HERE IS TO SHOW THAT BIBLE DID NOT TEACH THAT GOD IS UNDER JESUS CANOPY,IM STILL READY FOR ANY OBJECTION TO THAT WITH BIBLE CATEGORICALLY STATING THAT,AND NOT JUXTAPOSE!

And is there anything wrong if i say Jesus is equal with God? Or do you think i manufactured such statements from my brain? Look @ phil 2:6 and tell me what u think..when i say "equal" i am reffering it in an adjectival phrase of God glory, splendour,majesty,nature, essence, the same in operation or effect and having adequate means or ability..i never said Christ is greater than Yahweh..hope u get the gist.

No, even John 10:30 jesus says "I and the Father are one." does that makes him the same person or equal to God?

'Believers too are of the oneness of God and christ, so are believers equal with God?, see it again;

John 17:21

"Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us [/b]so that the world may believe that you have sent me".

so that the world (including Bidam)may believe that you(God) have sent me(jesus)

jesus did not send himself but a servant of God! so who is the servant here Bidam, and you still see jesus equal to his sender, his oga, na wa ooo. why is it difficult to accept that jesus was sent by a superior?

zechariah 12:8;
[b]The entire house of David [size=14pt]will be like God—indeed[/size], like the angel of the LORD in their midst!

"The entire house of David [size=14pt]will be like God—indeed[/size]"

if The entire house of David will be like God—indeed, then can we say that 'the house of david where jesus was born' are co equal to God?

can you see that?

but an affirmation from christ himself reads

John 14:28

28 “You heard me say, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, [size=14pt]for the Father is greater than I.[/size]

you have a right to your view pls, im not stopping you pls.

c

That's the sole reason i asked you earlier your understanding about the Tittle the FATHER and the SON.
Because,the tittle FATHER and SON was for a specific reason.
Grasp/apprehend the meaning,you can then see through the verse you quoted.

i duly answered you! but got no replies again! but again,im putting up with any false teachings that depicts a different jesus and God, we are to reject it outrightly, read now;

2 Corinthians 11:4

"[size=18pt]For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the Spirit you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough.[/size]


if you are trying to code God and jesus differently so as to rubish a truth you do not want to accept, desist pls, thanks!

lemme help you with this..cos the way you keep on harping on YAHWEH AS IF HE IS DIFFERENT FROM JESUS OF THE NEW TESTAMENT BAFFLES ME..pls have you seen God before? look at what these translation says in John 1:18

So what the bible says now has automatically becomes ''the way you keep on harping on YAHWEH AS IF HE IS DIFFERENT FROM JESUS OF THE NEW TESTAMENT''i did not write what is written in 1 Corinthians 15:27-28.

you are yet to supply a direct scripture that categorically says that God is subject in anyway to jesus! but i have supplied 2,.... (1)1 Corinthians 15:27-28 (2)hebrews 2:9 both scriptures shows that (1)jesus is subject to God,and not the same as God.(2)God even made jesus lower than the angels at a particular time.

read this again for the uptenth time, as it Nulifies the claim that christ is the head but rather "[size=18pt]then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him(God)[/size] who put all things under Him(jesus)"

read

1 Corinthians 15:27-28

27 For “He(God) has put all things under His(jesus) feet.”[size=14pt] But when He(God) says “all things are put under Him(jesus)[/size],”[size=18pt] it is evident that He(God) who put all things under Him(jesus) is excepted. [/size]

28 Now when all things are made subject to Him(jesus), [size=18pt]then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him(God)[/size] who put all things under Him(jesus), that God may be all in all.

Honestly, the perfect answer to the topic have been supplied above

New International Version (©1984)
No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father's side, has made him known.

New Living Translation (©2007)
No one has ever seen God. But the unique One, who is himself God, is near to the Father's heart. He has revealed God to us.

English Standard Version (©2001)
No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father’s side, he has made him known.

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.



International Standard Version (©2012)
No one has ever seen God. The unique God, who is close to the Father's side, has revealed him.


Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
No man has seen God at any time; The Only Begotten God Who is in the bosom of The Father, he has declared him.”

English Standard Version (©2001)
and the house of David shall be like God, like the angel of the LORD, going before them.

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
and the house of David will be like God, like the angel of the LORD before them.

Holman Christian Standard Bible (©2009)
and the house of David will be like God, like the Angel of the LORD, before them.

International Standard Version (©2012)
The entire house of David will be like God—indeed, like the angel of the LORD in their midst!

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the LORD before them.

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
and David's family will be like God, like the Messenger of the LORD ahead of them.

King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the LORD before them.

American King James Version
and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the LORD before them.

American Standard Version
and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of Jehovah before them.

Douay-Rheims Bible
and the house of David, as that of God, as an angel of the Lord in their sight.

Darby Bible Translation
and the house of David as God, as the Angel of Jehovah before them.

English Revised Version
and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the LORD before them.

Webster's Bible Translation
and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the LORD before them.

World English Bible
and the house of David will be like God, like the angel of Yahweh before them.

Young's Literal Translation
And the house of David as God -- As a messenger of Jehovah -- before them.

we are not denying that jesus is a GOD! the way the house of david is like GOD! so also the lords angel's.

but God Almighty is NOT the same as jesus! HE is not subject to jesus when he put all things under jesus 1 cor 15:27-28.

No man hath seen God at any time - This declaration is probably made to show the superiority of the revelation of Jesus above that of any previous dispensation. It is said, therefore, that Jesus "had an intimate knowledge of God," which neither Moses nor any of the ancient prophets had possessed. God is invisible: no human eyes have seen him; but Christ had a knowledge of God which might be expressed to our apprehension by saying that he saw him. He knew him intimately and completely, and was therefore fitted to make a fuller manifestation of him. See John 5:37; John 6:46; 1 John 4:12; Exodus 33:20; John 14:9.

This passage is not meant to deny that men had witnessed "manifestations" of God, as when he appeared to Moses and the prophets (compare Numbers 12:8; Isaiah 6:1-13); but it is meant that no one has seen the essence of God, or has "fully known God." The prophets delivered what they "heard" God speak;

we are not denying that jesus knew much about God, because he was created first by God, before any other creation;

Proverbs 8:22-24

22 “The Lord brought me forth as the first of his works,
before his deeds of old;
23 I was formed long ages ago,
at the very beginning, when the world came to be.
24 When there were no watery depths, I was given birth,
when there were no springs overflowing with water;

jesus was appointed Gods firstborn and NOT THE FIRSTBEIGN.

Psalm 89:27 I will also appoint him my firstborn, the most exalted of the kings of the earth.

colossians 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation

Jesus what he knew of God as his equal, and as understanding fully nature

LIE! BIG LIE!

let me show you what jesus understanding of GOD was

John 14:28
New International Version (NIV)
28 “You heard me say, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, [size=14pt]for the Father is greater than I.[/size]

esus did not give any condition for this statement! He is subject to God, God is greater!

j

That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. As the Scripture says, "Everyone who trusts in him will never be put to shame." For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile -- the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, for "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."

Paul has here quoted from Joel 2:32: "Everyone who calls on the name of Yahweh will be saved." Yet Paul applies the statement to Christ. Consider also Acts 2:21 where the same passage is quoted from Joel and Peter again applies it to Jesus. Or Acts 4:10-12, where Peter says:

Then know this, you and everyone else in Israel: It is by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified but whom God raised from the dead, that this man stands before you completely healed. He is "the stone you builders rejected, which has become the capstone." Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved.

Salvation is through the Son, whether in the Old Testament or the New. Notice also what Isaiah 43:11 says:
I, even I, am Yahweh,
and apart from me there is no savior.

there is no big deal in sharing titles with GOD, FOR EXAMPLE jesus said "i and my father are one''

John 10:30 "I and the Father are one."

are you happy with that? okay see below 'Believers too are part of the oneness of God and christ, see that;

John 17:21

21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us [size=14pt]so that the world may believe that you have sent me.[/size]

so that the world (including Bidam)may believe that you(God) have sent me(jesus)

jesus did not send himself but a servant of God! why is it difficult to accept that jesus was sent by a superior?

Sorry about the lengthy post,but i want you to get a perfect understanding of scriptures

there is NO perfect understanding here except juxtaposing scriptures that do not even relate to the topic, [size=14pt]null void and of no relevance in anywaywhatsoever[/size]!

i chalenge you to show just one scripture that says God is 'subject to christ' or that God cannot do anything without Christ authority.

but i can gladly show you scripture without juxtaposing scriptures! that christ is subject to God! and was even made lower than angel at a particular time!

i.chuka

Paul said in 1Cor1:24 that JESUS CHRIST is the POWER of GOD.remove HIM(JESUS) from your so called almighty..and you have NOTHING!

1 Corinthians 15:27-28

27 For “He(God) has put all things under His(jesus) feet.”[size=14pt] But when He(God) says “all things are put under Him(jesus)[/size],”[size=18pt] it is evident that He(God) who put all things under Him(jesus) is excepted. [/size]

28 Now when all things are made subject to Him(jesus), [size=18pt]then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him(God)[/size] who put all things under Him(jesus), that God may be all in all.

Honestly, the perfect answer to the topic have been supplied above, and if you dont agree with it, others that come on the tread will reason with it. bible never teach that God is under or subject to jesus,never but in your own case you seemed to be angry at the boded verse above, such that you are calling almighty God 'my so called almighty' thats extreeme.

now let me show you that God had at a time made jesus Even lower than the angels,

Hebrews 2:9

9 But we see [size=14pt]Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels,[/size] for the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, that He, by the grace of God, might taste death for everyone.

chuka,

pls who made Jesus, a little lower than the angels?

and, do you see how powerful the ALMIGHTY GOD IS?

comment pls!

@I.CHUKA.....smh!!!!......I can't believe you said this "" without Christ,your so called Almighty
God has no power and can do nothing
without going through Christ"".......

That statement is an insult to Yahweh who is the Father and GOD of Jesus.....your statement is an insult to the[b]one[/b] who gave Jesus life and every single thing Jesus has.........

do you see what the trinity is doing to you and what it has done to you.??....................smh!!!!!..........

can we have a response to this? i chuka

1 Timothy 3:16
King James Version (KJV)
16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit,[size=14pt] seen of angels[/size], preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory

.

bolded above, so God was also an angel?

can you explain that?

i have solved it in my first post, using zechariah chp 12.

@ emboldened, not so fast bro...you are getting excited with your revelations...i posted a scripture for you which you are yet to respond to.

which scripture?

you can read my replies again, there is no scripture that i have not responded to!

.am a bible student not a scholar and i asked questions alot..so who is the Ancient of days in this scripture?

if you ask questions, but dont answer questions, its not fair, it has to be both parties responding to questions,

as for the ancient of days, let the bible aswer that;

Daniel 7:13
13 “I saw in the night visions, and behold, with the clouds of heaven there came one like a son of man, and he came to the Ancient of Days and was presented before him.

ancient of days, its a title, and was used in this context for Almighty God, and ,not for jesus! at least for now!

the greek word in luke 22:69; 'right hand' G1188 δεξιός dexios is traanslated the right side or (feminine) hand (as that which usually takes ): - right ({hand} side).

it does not merge two persons, but still refer to a side, of a person,

see other usage of 'right hand' G1188 δεξιός dexios

Matt 27:38 Then were there two thieves crucified with him, one on the right hand,G1188 and another on the left.G2176

funny..yes na..agreed

good, now we have another 12 thrones, below;

And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel..MAT.19:28.

and later we have thrones,and only one identity of one person was given that sat on one of the throne,
who sat on other thrones were not mentioned! below;

Daniel 7:9

"As I looked, [size=14pt]"thrones were set in place,[/size] and the Ancient of Days took his seat. His clothing was as white as snow; the hair of his head was white like wool. His throne was flaming with fire, and its wheels were all ablaze.

now, it seems that taking the stock of those who sits on thrones already prepared here seemed difficult! and anyone seated must have left or right, so if jesus sit on on one throne, he must have those one the right and left

@ Bidam,

have you agreed that there are more than one throne? because you earlier agreed that there was not more than one, pls dont give conditions because i have supplied otherwise, yes or no, before we proceed!

BRO,you are not getting it.
even saints will have there own thrones,

you are changing the point here, what john saw was rendered in past tence, now you are changing it to futuristic 'saints will have' pls, lets deal with the ones already captured by this inspired prophet, and so you need support the statement

saints will have there own thrones

with a bible verse pls, and if not it remain a mere opinion!

you have earlier claimed there are no 2 thrones in the heaven, but i showed you otherwise, more than 2, now show us 'the saints throne' i want the name 'saint' to be in the verse pls! im waiting for that.

my question to you is the throne Isaiah saw in ISAIAH6,Who is the occupant of that throne?
still busy now,will be more detail later

i have answered it with this verse below before, but you are fighting that verse, its here again;

Hebrews 1:1-3;

1 God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, 2 has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds; 3 who being the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down at the right [/b]hand of [b]the Majesty on high,

the Majesty Almighty God is the one occupying the seat, and he is not the same as the one who sat down at the right hand.

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what a revelation...God bless u bro.. The right hand of God is actually a hand of Power...infact both of God hands are Right hand..i ave never heard of left hand.

if 24 other thrones are sorrounding the throne in the middle, is it difficult to point to the left or sitted on the left or right? pls be sincere!

rev 4:4
[size=16pt]Around[/size] the throne were twenty-four thrones, and on the thrones I saw twenty-four elders sitting, clothed in white robes; and they had crowns of gold on their heads



im sure you need to read it again brother!

So you are trying to say there's two thrones in Heaven?

stop saying that 'you are trying to say there's two thrones in Heaven' but rather what the bible says!

lets see the imformation we have as regards thrones in heaven as revealed by john;
Revelation 4:2-4

2 Immediately I was in the Spirit; and behold, a throne set in heaven, and One sat on the throne. 3 And He who sat there was like a jasper and a sardius stone in appearance; and there was a rainbow around the throne, in appearance like an emerald. 4 [size=14pt]Around the throne were twenty-four thrones,[/size] and on the thrones I saw twenty-four elders sitting, clothed in white robes; and they had crowns of gold on their heads

lets not deviate from the bible, but let me ask at this point, do you agree that there are more than one throne in the heaven with this proof? yes or no, because it seems you have your own personal explanations that is obviously differnt frm what bible teaches!

have you ever seen/heard of a Kingdom with two thrones?
That phrase "SITTED AT THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD"simply means all powers in Heaven and on earth has been vested on Him

sorry, the bible did not teach that, since no bible quote that says that, i m putting it as your personal opinion!

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without Christ,your so called Almighty God has no power and can do nothing without going through Christ.

Are you re-writing the bible? simply bcause you hate to read this truth? my bro, its not the right way to tread pls!

this is blasphemy! my brother, are you saying that God is 'subjected to christ'? after these bolded facts? 1 corinthians 15:27-28

28 Now when all things are made subject to Him, then [size=28pt]the Son Himself will also be subject to Him who put all things under Him, that God may be all in all. [/size]

i tire ooo.

when Solomon was enthrone as King in Israel

There is no basis whatsoever to compare in these situations, because;

if you are assuming solomon=jesus,

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David=God(father) ....as an example,

Then, there was no time at all that God almighty was ever dethroned! that is,God has been and ever been OCCUPYING the greatest throne in heaven, and at no point has jesus ever occupy Gods Majestic throne, but rather when jesus was made to be the heir of all things,or was appointed by his father to be heir of all things, he(jesus) was occupying 'a lower throne' at the right hand side of the MAJESTY! read;

Hebrews 1:1-3;

1 [size=14pt]God,[/size] who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, 2 has in these last days [size=14pt]spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things,[/size] through whom also He made the worlds; 3 who being the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, [size=14pt]sat down at the [b]right hand of the Majesty [/b]on high[/size],

moreover, verse 27 of 1 cor 15 above still point to the fact that;
verse 27;
when He(Almighty God) says “all things are put under Him (jesus, God's son) ”it is evident that He (the Almighty God) who put all things under Him (the son, jesus's) is excempted. (not included as subject under jesus's canopy) plain scriptures!

are we fighting what the bible says? its there in verse 27 of 1 cor 15 above!


but in the case of David,God through appointment appoints his son Solomon to occupy his fathers position, that is,succeed his father and davids throne throne was to be occupied by his son.

any objection?

I BEG, WHICH COUNTRY TB JOSHUA DON FORCAST SAY GO WIN AFCON 2013? NO BE AFTER THE TOURNAMENT DON FINISH NOW WE GO BEGIN HEAR SAY HIM TALK AM SAY NA THEM GO WIN AM

wait till the final now, it will be easy to predict then,even you yourself can do it, but its complex now! lets say ZAMBIA VS IVORY.C final, or NIG vs Ghana final, its easy to predict, okay?

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I just find it hard to believe that over 90% of the posters here believe that adeboye tales by moonlight story. So all you guys believe in vanishing manhoods or bullets not entering its victims pastors curing their members of aids etc. We still have alongway to go before our country begins to progress

my brother, its crazy!

but what do you expect? the man is a brand! anything he says sells!

he is a Doctor of Philosophy PHD holder!

Waiting for your answer! pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeese!