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Bragalane:
Do skyscrapers really cost 200 billion ?
Let say 10 - 15 storeys, I build house n sell n had my sight on accomplishing that but I am yet to even dream of 200 billion talk less of loan owning or borrowing it.

Building anything like a sky scrapper around Marina and Co would gulp heavy sums because of the heavy expense the foundation would gulp. Unlike in non watery locations

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onegig:
1. It is simple security or lives and businesses.

I dare anyone of you to walk around Marina past 7pm. I can't even drive on Broad street in the evening for fear of been attacked. A colleague's car windows was smashed with stones on that street and there are numerous tales of robbery on the Apongbon axis during rush hour traffic or early mornings. Regular gang fights happen on a steady basis.

It's proximity to Isale Eko and the littany of touts, thugs, shanties, slums and rowdy markets around the area makes it very hard to justify investment by blue chip companies. If UBA, First Bank or even Sterling would have their ways they would gladly relocate to VI or Ikoyi in an instant.

I walk and drive around VI at 12am or 1am . I dare not do that in Marina.

Investment thrives in areas of relative peace.

2. Accessibility of the roads.

Road networks are literally blocked around with all manner of wears by petty traders and rickety buses.

Try getting round Marina and come tell your story. Parking in Marina is one of the hardest things you can attempt. From touts extorting you in unauthorized parking spots to inefficient and unavailable car parks.


I wouldn't want to setup a meeting and select Marina ever for a client. So why would you as a developer want to build new structures there?

I picked up an accident victim that had a fractured skull only the general hospital at Marina could take. If you see the driving round and around it took me and time this took before we could navigate the way to the hospital ehn.!

samuelchimmy:
next name after God.? How? Mind the way you draw comparison biko

Go understand idioms o chairman. How did I in anyway compare God with anything?

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Blackpearlxx:
If “cry me a river was a person “ would have been me

Every lady should build herself to become the woman a man can't afford to live without let alone break up with. That's the secret

You're pretty. Heaven bless my path too

Happy Birthday

NobleAngell:
Duncan! You've Been spoiling market for wives and girlfriends since 1900. Be careful.

Lol

MJBOLT:

only idiots neglect their mothers and take care of their wives and it's a fool that will call what duncan has said a dumb statement.

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You didn't ask her if wives don't have mothers too

Owaiye

Aconomist:
Eko Atlantic truly is a masterpiece. Take a look at the progress so far. It's actually progressed further than what is shown in the video. Azuri is complete (except for cladding) work has started on A & A and La Definition. And they now conduct boat tours in the canal. God bless Chagoury Group for bringing this to lagos.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvuuVxmsbW0

I saw good part of Eko Atlantic before the buildings. I like the way it's modelled to offices in buikdings having long term purchase plans.


If this is applied to Eko Atlantic, companies can begin to lure freelancers to come take up work space to work from and repopulate the empty buildings again

Aconomist:
Yea, I've been eagerly awaiting when Dangote builds his headquarters (either in Marina or Eko Atlantic). Total ENP is also planning a building called "La Definition" in Eko Atlantic to house its employees. Facebook is planning its HQ in Ikoyi I think, but it hasn't been announced yet. Folorunsho's Famfa oil is also building in Ikoyi.

Some of the indigenous oil companies such as Amni Oil have decided to go to Eko Atlantic instead of Marina. Here is the prototype of their tower. It is right next to Alpha 1. The big companies are all avoiding Marina

I've come across the masterplan a cross section of the Eko Atlantic masterplan and it's a masterclass. It's worth waiting for and would be a thing of pride to the SW. I congratulate you guys in advance

Only women indeed would understand. Respect to the good Queens out there

Everyone is seeing these days. Smh I want to see my own too. I see that nwaAmikpe is Righteousness89

Aconomist:
I agree. We are failing on so many fronts. If not for the Lebanese in Lagos, the city would be a village. Lekki, Banana Island, Eko Atlantic where all developed by Lebanese investors -- specifically Chagoury Group while we just sit and bicker amongst ourselves.

The yoruba " oduduwa " as a region has many battles left and right and is distracted by the seemingly much battles to pay keen attention on outlining developmental fears


Till now, there's fear in Oduduwa about foreign people being prosperous in Oduduwa. Now, this fear stagnates forward thinking progress

The morbid fear that others will come take over.

The Marina and the likes needs high volume companies like oil and gas baking and telecom to push it up


The honest truth is Lagos, Marina and the entire SW needs more than raw/pure SW power to be able to push it up and this ought to be on the table. Sadly, Nigeria hasn't moved beyond ethnic reasoning

Africans, rather than brain storm ways to improve and how to. They are busying fighting themselves one against the other. Igbos can't do thus, yoruba that. Hausas the other

I won't kill myself over Nigeria lai lai

Christistruth00:
It is good you are thinking forward but I'm not sure it will work.

Why won't it work. What already exists.


I know several buildings in Marina that has this existing structure sef

Aconomist:
I don't like this culture of always starting over instead of finishing what we started. First, we abandon Marina for Lekki, then we abandon Lekki for Ikoyi and Banana Island. Now, we are abandoning Banana Island for Eko Atlantic. It is better to build up one place to world class standards before starting over somewhere else.

Honestly, banana island has become too accessible and the more economically empowered the elites of any society becomes, the more they begin to run towards the next thing.


This psyche in itself is ultimately why Africa becomes a laughing stock.


Lagos ought to have independent blueprints for Lekki/Stretching towards igbobo Ikorodu with excellent ferry transport systems

Plan for Lekki and the likes. By the way Lekki was originally earmarked as a farming no residential location mind you


Separate one for Eko Atlantic. Separate one for Marina


If any engineer with good sense of engineering takes this up, any individual should be able to create series of Municipals blueprint and system and had over to the government


Thanks for the thread. I may take it up for my own state sha since I had something of this sort on my mind for my state

Christistruth00:
How would you deal with all the sewage without polluting the surrounding area and water remember Marina practically almost stands on water

Underground collection Chambers just like many buildings in Marina has underground Chambers and parking lot. Na money go talk

Aconomist:
You don't understand real estate. Marina is full of space, we are just wasting it. Even in the picture above, you can see many short wasteful buildings. In a white country, buildings like that would have been demolished to make way for skyscrapers. That is why cities like Dubai and New York are so tall. They build taller buildings to CREATE more space.

Us Africans are very stagnant people. Even with the astronomical rents on Victoria Island, most of the buildings are still 1 --5 stories. No wonder rent is so high. The housing stock is restricted!

You're right. I get your point


Let's delve into civil engineering and architecture and discuss from engineering perspective



Modern architecture advocates more space by creating pretty large buildings. Something Asians like Chinese and Japanese learnt timely from Western countries necessitating the design and landscape use of new locations like UAE


It wasn't too long in history technological innovation behind sky scrappers became

Mark the word " affordably available "



To Build a sky scrapper like Oriental back in the ages would gulp 200 times the cost of doing so in its original version which even recently at foundational. Level of Oriental would cost billions


To Build Oriental just to its foundation would gulp billions ad I'm not saying 10 billion. Now, how many Nigerian businesses and brand or foreign brands were willing to experiment spending billions on skyscrapers when they could easily rent space in available ones. Take a look at Savannah bank building and the likes that has been under construction for years


The high construction cost back the of buildings in Marina jerked up rental costs which ultimately pushed business costs


Cities like Dubai and UAE were built at a time, Mark the word from my in depth research on sky scrapper were built on what technology has watered down to become extremely cheaper, providing more readily available technocrats and experts unlike limited experts of the past


What I'm trying to say is building mega cities in the past was extremely expensive. Building it in the present like in UAE is extremely cheap now. Hence it's cheaper to build a new Marina now, than it was or than to refurbish. To develop Marina, more Nigerian brands needs to become much more economically viable and the economic viability would stimulate the development



Lekki and Ajah are trending because individuals within personal financial power could afford it. Average housing project 50/300m. Skyscraper 200billion starting cost. Hence it's within the means of.. Bottoming is our corporate world doesnt command the financial power to serve as backbone for a fully industrialised Marina as you would have it in the western world's and the likes

The Lagos state government isn't thinking. It needs to create a Marina Sequestration Plan that entails good blueprint that borders around Rentals, Power, Transportation


Mind you, with ilu birin, eko Atlantic. Dangote refinery axis, without planning, Marina would soon become Atlantis

Aconomist:
You are making excuses brother. If that is the reason Marina failed, then why are people building up area's like Lekki, Ikoyi and Eko Atlantic that are even further away from the mainland? If traffic was the issue, the solution would be to build more density (residential skyscrapers) at Marina so people won't have to commute to work. But Marina is full of abandoned buildings that haven't been converted into apartments and outside of the core business district in Victoria island, the area is almost like a slum.. full of short low density buildings renting for an astronomical amount.

Lol. Bro leave Marina matter for me.

My mother and dad met at Marina almost 45 years back

Even my grandfather after service in the Navy always settles around Marina to chill. I own Marina bro. Whatever I tell you just accept

Anything I tell you about Marina just take it

Let's drive traffic o


Food is ready

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Dominique

MrKnowItAll

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Insane rental costs. Totally insane rental charges. Empty buildings everywhere


Marina doesn't have decent power supply. It has never had since 30 years, Marina never enjoys good power supply

Marina sits on water virtually and with the billions Marina was making, even in its prime didn't see the need for an efficient effective water transport based system. How won't it fall?


The glory has departed from Marina

Aconomist:
Why didn't these factors stop Dubai's skyline from growing?

My parents met themselves in Marina. Passed through or visited Marina for over 25 years. I'm providing answers based on reality


One can't go to marina or return from the mainland without spending hours on such trips. Life happened to Marina. Marina that used to be the next name after God is hardly known or acknowledged by the new generation


Visit this thread



https://www.nairaland.com/6294516/why-igbos-refuse-go-into

Excessive holdup

Diversified business activity centers

The competition got better. I.e Computer Village

Modern business activities can be done from home and not necessarily an office

Cloud-productivity has completely phased out office structure systems. Everyone used to want to go to marina for filing and processing stocks and shares documents for example. With just a few clicks, one can't get many of these things done not making it necessary to visit office buildings

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djon78:
See
Don't ever give up
You will bounce back
But whatever happened
Is a great lesson for you

I was grateful for what I went through
It made me extremely wise
Most people around us
Have no value they are adding
And the earlier folks learn that
The better for them
Especially if your aim is for the top most of the food chain
Not mediocrity or Just living ordinary life
If you are meant the top
You need those lessons

I really need it. Tough. But I'm glad, if I had made it few much more with those friends around. I won't be alive for long. Not that they didn't attempt it multiple times though