Viridis:

Bro post a working link nah not everyone here still has access to there account email
You can send it to my mail bansroja@gmail.com

Pls send to mine too.
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Am just enjoying this two people argument lol the first argument av seen that goes without tantrum and abusive words

For me av always thought about created evolution though the theory hasn't been proving by anyone

I kinda believe everything were created to evolve
Cause the same way life looks too complex to evolve from nothing is the same way life is too absurd and flawed to be created

Am not trying to insert anything..

Even me I don't know

But see the problem here

Evolution try to prove the formation of life which according to you there re already lots of evidence that shows that life can actually evolve but ........ Are we to take evolution serious since "WE DON'T KNOW " how it even started in the first place or it origin.

Did you get it now

Effel tower exist but how can I explain the making of it if I don't know how the foundation started

In this senerio we aren't talking about it's existence, we are talking about it making and formation.

Workch:
I think you have a comprehension problem.

I didn't say that you don't have to know the foundation of the building, you only need to know that whether or not you know the foundation of the building, the building is fact, it exist.
Whether or not you know how the first orgnsims started, evolution is fact.

Whether or not you know how eiffel tower was founded, eiffel tower is fact.

It doesn't mean that you shouldn't know how it was founded, just don't insert your God If you don't know yet. You can simply take the sincere route of "I don't know yet", just like I am doing. Don't lie

"Insert my God " lol creation can't be prove either..... Lol

Anyway according to what you explain , you are tryna said that as far as the building is standing, I Don't need to know how the foundation started. If so then is it not what creation is also insinuating that you don't need to know where God come from .

"You don't need to know how eiffel tower was founded before you agree that eiffel tower exist"

You sounded like a creationist up there lol

Workch:
well, you can see that a house is standing without knowing the kind of foundation that it was built on whether it's German floor or otherwise. You don't need to know how eiffel tower was founded before you agree that eiffel tower exist.

You can see a car and not know the blueprint it was built upon.

You can see a tree and not know how long the root is.

You do not need to know the room MTN started before you know that mtn went through stages before becoming a multinational firm.

You can see evolution and not know how the first life started.
Its not rocket science, it's just common sense which you are delibrately not seeing because you want to look for a gap to insert your God. You don't have to know how the first life started before knowing that the first life evolved.

It's like the law of conservation of energy, you don't have to know how the universe started before knowing that the total energy in the universe is constant. You can know that later

Lol the same analogy I gave recently

A man trying to explain how a house was built and he started after THE FOUNDATION... because he didn't know how the foundation was built

Now tell me
What business does this man have in explaining how the house was built in the first place?

Workch:
We don't have concrete evidence for Abiogenesis yet but we have concrete evidence for evolution hence we didn't come from Adam and Eve or those nonsense stories because we are sure that humans evolved from primitive apes.
Until we find evidence for Abiogenesis, we can't say what we don't know.

Learn to understand a topic before jumping on it next time

Ok impressive

Can you now explain abiogenesis or whatever you call it lol

And before that you already tell me what I want to hear which lordleed already accepted and I was waiting for you to accept too

"Theory of evolution doesn't answer the question relating to origin of life"""". That is enough for me

Workch:
You don't know science, that is why you obviously find very hard to differentiate evolution from Abiogenesis/panspermia.
Theory of evolution doesn't answer the question relating to origin of life, it only answers the questions relating to origin and diversity of species.
The keywords are "life", "species" and "diversity".

The topic that answers the questions regarding the origin of life is Abiogenesis not evolution.

It's like you see a footwear in the market, you are certinsly sure that this footwear was produced and how it was produced (that's evolution) but you don't know how where it was produced (that's Abiogenesis).

If you write a biology exam and you state that evolution explak9thr origin of life, you will fail the exam. It shows that you do not understand the topic

Go on and explain to me if you have different view from lordleed

Workch:
But I offered to explain it to you, you said LordReed already did and you still make comment like someone who's abjectly ignorant of it.

Yeah that's is my problem with evolution.
I actually have problem with it's limited scope , yes for something that try to explain the formation of life should Also try to explain it's origin hence it's still far from the truth.

Is like trying to explain the making of a HOUSE and you started after the THE FOUNDATION HAVE ALREADY Been built by whoever or whatever you can't explain built it ,, so in this senerio you have no business trying to explain how the house was built in the first place

LordReed:


Why is it so hard for you accept a simple fact? Evolution does not talk about the origins of life, why must you want to force it to say something about the origins of life? Your lack of satisfaction with its limited scope is not a problem with the theory, it is solely your problem.

Did he explain evolution from the stand point of origination and if he can't do that then is still a mere speculation.

Workch:
even after LordReed explained to you, you still don't understand that evolution has nothing to do with origin of life.

Is your skull thick?

So why do you think evolution is right since you don't know the origin of the universe?


I don't know too but all those theories didn't add up .

Workch:
We don't know the origin of the universe yet. Do you know it?

Evidence of evolution never stated the origin of it . Big bang does according to leed so my question should be how did big bang started

What causes the expansion and explosion?

Is there an uncaused caused? If yes then what Of creation , cause creation Also claim an uncaused cause

All if them are bird of same feather whether creation or evolution or big bang they are all confusion upon confusion

Workch:
Are you presuming that everything must have a creator and life is too organized not to have been created?

If yes, this is not evidence. You are presenting a philosophical without substance.

BTW, we have myriads of evidence that evolution happened and still happening

Leed has already done so but am not in about whatever evolution try to prove ..

I want to understand the origin of everything which he attributes to big bang though he claims not knowing how it started

Workch:
I think you don't understand the theory of evolution and evolution.
I can educate you if you wish to listen

Pls don't argue with that guy
He isn't honest

kimco:


And people take this guy serious? Simply amazing....no body can be this high.

Like I said am not surprised

See how you bring a logical argument to banter lol typical of a Nairaland theists lol �


Have a nice Sunday

Dtruthspeaker
post=110990182:


O you children are so annoyingly tempting! If you are too lazy a boy to find it, it is not my problem.

I am not even asking you to be a Lover of God, so please, go have sex with Satan, is it me that will suffer from your stupidity OR YOU?

I do not care if you do not look for my Answer and neither do I care if you find it nor do I care if you become a Satanist, nor do I care if you become a Christian.

I really don't give a fu.vk

If you have anything reasonable to say, I will address it but anything outside that, I don't give a fuq.

You think you re smart sorry but you seem cunny not smart that is problem with most of you so am not surprised

Atheist are more straight forward


I dare you to ansa again ........

Dtruthspeaker:


I told you my answer is up there, so if you are interested in it, then do not let laziness stop you.

No ansa again

I see where you are going with this

You are not being straight
Too cunny I guess

Dtruthspeaker:


My Answer is up there.

Oh see you trying to abuse logic
Impressive

So what of you what is your own theory?

Is there an intelligent designer?

Evolution or creation?

Dtruthspeaker:


I did not accuse you of seeing Him.

I accused you of giving an evidence which by Truth, is Impossible for you to obtain.

And as you now confess that it is "a theory" ("I was just contemplating on a theory" ).

Then, it is even more invalid because, calculations, speculations (theories) are not proofs and Evidence.

When you reach the end of your calculation and speculation AND IT IS SOLID ENOUGH, you can come back and argue validly.

Then this argument is void cause I never said av seen him neither do I claim he exist
I was just contemplating on a theory which I never know whether it's already exist
I called it Created evolution which I made claim that both evolution, big bang and creation are bird of Same feather .
Then I said that creation said of an intelligent designer... I didn't even support in the first place ..
You are the one who try to prove an intelligent designer exist which I ask you if the intelligence designer have a designer and then this


So the BURDEN is on you to prove not me .

Dtruthspeaker:


The Truth, which is greater than logic is there, and you have seen it. If you are in Truth a God Lover, for then, it means you know that TRUTH RULES.



This is the Invalid Argument and Fall called Tu Quoque.

And no where did I claim that "I have seen the Intelligent Designer".

But, you on the other hand made the error of trying to act as one who has Seen Him and Has been to His "Village or State" or even spoke to His Neighbours, such that you now possess the Truth Full information and evidence you gave.

Meanwhile, you have never left earth. So therefore, your testimony is invalid, because, it is impossible for you to have acquired this Truth.

Lmaoo are you for real cause I failed to find any logic in this write up

Have you seen the intelligence designer your self?

And life is even not that good to come from an intelligent designer self lol

Dtruthspeaker:


We know that you have never Seen The Intelligent Designer and that you are not capable of knowing what happens in The Intelligent Designers World, so, saying "The intelligent designer has no designer" is Untruthful, for you, do not live "Where He is", you have never being there, neither do you know exactly where He is not are you capable of going there to come back and give us Truth Full testimony of Him and His World.

Therefore, your statement is INVALID AND TRUTHFUL.

The only Valid Information we have as Christians is Simply because "HE SAID, THERE IS NONE LIKE ME; THERE IS NO OTHER god BESIDES ME"!

AND THAT IS SUFFICIENT!

LordReed:


Not directly.

We don't know yet.

Thanks for your honesty

Creation, evolution and big bang remain Bird of same feather

One is trying to claim purpose where there is no purpose and the other is trying to bring purpose into no purpose lol

LordReed:


A simplified form could be stated as follows:
The theory of evolution is a shortened form of the term “theory of evolution by natural selection,” which was proposed by Charles Darwin and Alfred Russel Wallace in the nineteenth century. In the theory of natural selection, organisms produce more offspring than are able to survive in their environment. Those that are better physically equipped to survive, grow to maturity, and reproduce. Those that are lacking in such fitness, on the other hand, either do not reach an age when they can reproduce or produce fewer offspring than their counterparts. Natural selection is sometimes summed up as “survival of the fittest” because the “fittest” organisms—those most suited to their environment—are the ones that reproduce most successfully, and are most likely to pass on their traits to the next generation.

This means that if an environment changes, the traits that enhance survival in that environment will also gradually change, or evolve. Natural selection was such a powerful idea in explaining the evolution of life that it became established as a scientific theory. Biologists have since observed numerous examples of natural selection influencing evolution. Today, it is known to be just one of several mechanisms by which life evolves. For example, a phenomenon known as genetic drift can also cause species to evolve. In genetic drift, some organisms—purely by chance—produce more offspring than would be expected. Those organisms are not necessarily the fittest of their species, but it is their genes that get passed on to the next generation.

No where does it state anything about how everything began. The theory that deals with origins of the universe is the Big Bang Theory. Evolution is not a fallacy because it doesn't say anything about origins that would be like saying agricultural science is fallacious because it doesn't tackle the propagation of light through the vacuum of space. Scientific theories explain specific aspects of the natural world.

Ok so big bag cause evolution right?


Then what causes big bang

Dtruthspeaker:


First Answer: CHANGE OF POST! THE QUESTION STOPS AT THE INTELLIGENT DESIGNER AND NO ONE CAN VALIDLY AND TRUTH FULLY GO PAST THIS LIMIT.

2) THAT IS WHAT IT MEANS TO BE CREATED. IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR YOU THE CREATION, TO KNOW ALL YOU MAY THINK TO KNOW ABOUT YOUR CREATOR.

EXACTLY AS YOUR PHONE MUST STUPIDLY ASK YOU "WHO MANUFACTURED YOU OR WHAT TYPE OF CHARGER DO YOU USE FOR RECHARGING YOURSELF/WHERE IS YOUR CHARGING ENTRANCE?

SO, THIS IS AN INVALID QUESTION.

Quack logic .. The intelligent designer has no designer so it purposely come outta nothing then why did you disprove evolution then

A designer can't just exist ,it has to either be form by reaction or anyother cause

Are you trying to tell me ...that a designer can be an uncaused cause?

LordReed:


The question should be asked of you because I don't think you really know what the theory states. No where in the theory does it say anything about where life in general came from nor does it talk about random reactions or uncaused causes so I should be the one asking you if you know what you are talking about.

Ok sir state the theory of evolution but before that

Also try to explain how everything started from the beginning else because you won't try to explain evolution and avoid how it started, if so then evolution is a fallacy

LordReed:


Show me where the theory of evolution claims we came from nothing.

What are you even saying
Whatever the theory of evolution try to prove came down to nothing

What causes the random reaction ?

Is there another uncaused cause?

LordReed:


There are people who believe that it was the god who started the evolutionary process. However the assertion that we evolved from nothing is not one the theory of evolution makes.

however you wanna put it the fact remain that evolution ended up stating that we came outa nothing..

Evolution and creation come from same background
One is saying we evolve from random reaction then what causes the random reaction..no answer

then the other is saying we created by an intelligent designer then where did the intelligence designer come from ... No answer

According to my little research about life including science and co , I came to conclusion of two theory
1 Life is too good to have been evoluted from nothing

2 life is not too perfect to have been created.
I don Know if there is a theory out there that support this but I can call it created evolution mean in a way it seems we are created to evolve something like that

because life itself looks so reduculos to be created in the first place for instant
Fate and survival of the fittest which exist among us is not a part of supposed creation because they lack purpose which is creation

Creation= purpose
Evolution=lack of purpose

Why is there fate ... Why did our creator choose survival of the fittest method does it means out creator is more ruthless and partial

How can we evolve from nothing
If ACTUALLY nothing can come outa nothing then evolution is useless

According to my little research about life including science and co , I came to conclusion of two theory
1 Life is too good to have been evoluted from nothing

2 life is not too perfect to have been created.
I don Know if there is a theory out there that support this but I can call it created evolution mean in a way it seems we are created to evolve something like that

because life itself looks so reduculos to be created in the first place for instant
Fate and survival of the fittest which exist among us is not a part of supposed creation because they lack purpose which is creation

Creation= purpose
Evolution=lack of purpose

Why is there fate ... Why did our creator choose survival of the fittest method does it means out creator is more ruthless and partial

How can we evolve from nothing
If ACTUALLY nothing can come outa nothing then evolution is useless

Comparing wheel of time to GOT
chai GOT don too chop insult

Is it good to hold shib throughout next year

Why is man united fan shouting up and down
Do you people think we came here to win
Draw is fantastic for us
.. Chelsea is in there best form of there life

Please I need urgent help
I got this Huawei nova 3i but 4g is not working on mtn but it work on glo ..av tried switching both sim but still no avail
I called mtn they told me my sim is 4g ready but is not working on my phone
Help pls

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