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Walk outta thread immediately I saw the price quotation. lubbish

Shebi dem say for a Muslim to wish Christians merry Christmas is haram and even worst than murder. So what will they say now that a Muslim is lavishing injured soldiers with Christmas gifts just to score some cheap political points. I am not understanding.

Whytelyon:

That's what their imams tell them. Imagine telling you to wash your right nostril because Satan sleeps there at night, so they wash it during their ablution and before prayers. Or "Don't say merry xmas to christians, it is haram and worse than murder..."

Let's not go into their religion fully my dear brother, certain things I heard myself I was forced to laugh at the guy, the Muslim guy who came for evangelism the other time I visited Nigeria. The religion cracks me up

Thank you so much. I wouldn't even tell 'em anything on this issue again cus they are brainwashed. I have and I read several Islamic books even though I am not a Muslim.

Hassan080196:
If you have no knowledge of it before, Maria is Araimic (the true language of Jesus). Araimic is very similar to Arabic. Little difference is between them.

Get your fact right man.

Argh!!! So Jesus is an Arab? You can't stop amazing me. You guys like misinforming the entire world.

Hassan080196:
You won't keep amazing me by writing what you have no knowledge of. My question now is , is Maria English word?

You people just keep arguing blindly. Go learn about your bible well before you talk about other people's scripture .

You that is so knowledgeable, was the Bible written in English Language? The Bible was only translated in English language.
So is Marian an Arabic word?

Whytelyon:

Nearly three quaters of whats in the Holy bible was copied into the Quran, For example the 10 commandments , with the exception of few additions, the wife be obedient to your husband thing... etc all was the same in the first books, yes Luke may have not seen Jesus but Jesus inspired the synoptic gospels which is the new testanment laws in which we follow today. Some old testament laws we have renounced - now let me clearify your doubts about certain things. Moses Law is the Law islam Follows - at least one of them. And Moses was mentioned in the bible so you see whats in the bible is basically whats copied into the Quran.

Now We have names like Our Lady of Fatima, Mariam, Maria etc in Catholic Church... sounding the same like the Islamic names, And as the religion has it, Catholic church was the first place of worship or rather would i say the overall headquater , first head of christendom, as we have it in Rome. Basically everything about Christianity, after it moved from Antioch in Syria , Moved to Rome. So you see the poster only doesnt know how to defend himself / herself ...but its different here.

Islam is one of the few newer religions. we have Religions like Hinduism, Buddhism , Judaism, Taoism, magic back then was one of them. islam just came and wants to be boss, inflicting fear into the hearts of everyone, without fear islam would be no where by now. it would have died out long ago. Only some Fools here say Mithraism and Christianity is the same , because of Alexander the great and Rome Whatever, Nairaland Muslims and Atheists make me laugh seriously .

Tired of typing. need to get some work fixed now. just wanted you to see somethings and understand how islam came, dont let Surah 5:51 ruin you. Islam isnt going to be the only religion on earth. It would live, but Conquering the World... I am in Serious doubts. Hitler tried to make the world speak german you speak your mother tounge, so it didnt work, like wise islam ... wont work. Sorry to be this blunt.

Let them know

Hassan080196:
One of the most common myths about the Qur’an, is that Usman (r.a.), the third Caliph of Islam authenticated and compiled one Qur’an, from a large set of mutually contradicting copies. The Qur’an, revered as the Word of Allah (swt) by Muslims the world over, is the same Qur’an as the one revealed to Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). It was authenticated and written under his personal supervision. We will examine the roots of the myth which says that Usman (r.a.) had the Qur’an authenticated.

1. Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) himself supervised and authenticated the written texts of the Qur’an

Whenever the Prophet received a revelation, he would first memorize it himself and later declare the revelation and instruct his Companions (R.A. – Radhi Allahu Taala Anhu) – May Allah be pleased with him who would also memorize it. The Prophet would immediately ask the scribes to write down the revelation he had received, and he would reconfirm and recheck it himself. Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was an Ummi who could not read and write. Therefore, after receiving each revelation, he would repeat it to his Companions. They would write down the revelation, and he would recheck by asking them to read what they had written. If there was any mistake, the Prophet would immediately point it out and have it corrected and rechecked. Similarly he would even recheck and authenticate the portions of the Qur’an memorized by the Companions. In this way, the complete Qur’an was written down under the personal supervision of the prophet (pbuh).

2. Order and sequence of Qur’an divinely inspired

The complete Qur’an was revealed over a period of 22½ years portion by portion, as and when it was required. The Qur’an was not compiled by the Prophet in the chronological order of revelation. The order and sequence of the Qur’an too was Divinely inspired and was instructed to the Prophet by Allah (swt) through archangel Jibraeel. Whenever a revelation was conveyed to his companions, the Prophet would also mention in which surah (chapter) and after which ayat (verse) this new revelation should fit.

Every Ramadhaan all the portions of the Qur’an that had been revealed, including the order of the verses, were revised and reconfirmed by the Prophet with archangel Jibraeel. During the last Ramadhaan, before the demise of the Prophet, the Qur’an was rechecked and reconfirmed twice.

It is therefore clearly evident that the Qur’an was compiled and authenticated by the Prophet himself during his lifetime, both in the written form as well as in the memory of several of his Companions.

3. Qur’an copied on one common material

The complete Qur’an, along with the correct sequence of the verses, was present during the time of the Prophet (pbuh). The verses however, were written on separate pieces, scrapes of leather, thin flat stones, leaflets, palm branches, shoulder blades, etc. After the demise of the prophet, Abu Bakr (r.a.), the first caliph of Islam ordered that the Qur’an be copied from the various different materials on to a common material and place, which was in the shape of sheets. These were tied with strings so that nothing of the compilation was lost.

4. Usman (r.a.) made copies of the Qur’an from the original manuscript

Many Companions of the Prophet used to write down the revelation of the Qur’an on their own whenever they heard it from the lips of the Prophet. However what they wrote was not personally verified by the Prophet and thus could contain mistakes. All the verses revealed to the Prophet may not have been heard personally by all the Companions. There were high possibilities of different portions of the Qur’an being missed by different Companions. This gave rise to disputes among Muslims regarding the different contents of the Qur’an during the period of the third Caliph Usman (r.a.).

Usman (r.a.) borrowed the original manuscript of the Qur’an, which was authorized by the beloved Prophet (pbuh), from Hafsha (may Allah be pleased with her), the Prophet’s wife. Usman (r.a.) ordered four Companions who were among the scribes who wrote the Qur’an when the Prophet dictated it, led by Zaid bin Thabit (r.a.) to rewrite the script in several perfect copies. These were sent by Usman (r.a.) to the main centres of Muslims.

There were other personal collections of the portions of the Qur’an that people had with them. These might have been incomplete and with mistakes. Usman (r.a.) only appealed to the people to destroy all these copies which did not match the original manuscript of the Qur’an in order to preserve the original text of the Qur’an. Two such copies of the copied text of the original Qur’an authenticated by the Prophet are present to this day, one at the museum in Tashkent in erstwhile Soviet Union and the other at the Topkapi Museum in Istanbul, Turkey.

Saying what you have no knowledge of Islam bad for you.

Why did you give us incomplete history or story? So what happened to those surahs that were never included in the original compiled copy of the Quran? What about those Quran reciters who lost their memories and who could not recall numerous surahs which were supposed to be in the original compiled Quran? What about Mohammed's followers who were the best in reciting the Quran but lost their lives in the jihad wars? What about the Quran manuscript that were eaten by rats? What about the Quranic inscriptions that were destroyed during the jihads? The implications of all the above facts is that your so called original documented Quran is incomplete because so many suras were deliberately expunged or were missing during the compilation.

Hassan080196:
You don't have any point. Just writing what the lies your pastors told you in church. Bring proves and not just write what doesn't make sense. Prophet went catholic priest and roman empire to write down Qur'an and still in the same Qur’an that these people you mentioned will go to hell fire. Seriously ironical. You need use your thinking cap and not relent on heresay as the case of your bible. Luke never in his life saw Jesus and have a gospel in your so called holy book. Funny enough that the guy said all what he wrote was based on heresay (Luke 1-3).

Lol.... Islam is the most confused religion on planet earth. Christians do not read the Bible to attack Islam or other religions but rather they read the Bible for their spiritual consumptions and to get salvation. And that is why you will never see anywhere in anything in the Holy Bible concerning the Quran. But you see Muslims reading their Quran just to attack Christianity. The Quran was built on falsehood, lies and deceits.

MicroBox:
Keep busy watching youtube video and books wrote by conspiracy theorist..
There are much more of those complicated stories about Christianity than Islam written by same conspiracy theorist.
It's very illogical to say God himself came down to earth in human form. Please when the so called tomb of jesus was open last month what did you see there? It's better to open your mind if you are really keen about paradise personally and start your own research about through path. You are born a christian, you are made to practice Christianity, it's Christianity you know all your life so how would you not want to defend what you believe?
My dear don't be lazy and get books to read with no sentiments attached.

He read books and gave you the books' analogy but you said they are all conspiracy theorists. What else do you want?

Hassan080196:
Seriously you never quoted anything. You're just playing on words.

I think I've explained what you wrote up there for you.

Argh!!! Is it until I write in Arabic for you before you will understand? You have already been brainwashed and blinded why your imams' teaching so there is no truth and fact I will present to you that will change your mind. Even if I give you the detailed history of the origin of the Quran you will not still believe.
Even if I give you facts on how the Quran had been tampered and many verses changed and expunged in order to have a single and unified Quran for Islamic political uniformity, you will still ignore it.
Even if I prove to you that the Quran was never sent from heaven or your so called Allah to prophet Mohammed you will still form deaf ears.
TheQuran was never meant to be documented that's why the simple and true meaning of the Quran is "recitation".
But moves were made to document the Quran after the death of prophet Mohammed and other followers who were good at the recitation of the Quran, the Islamic community rallied round to document the Quran so that it would not be lost completely.
Any further argument from you I will give you the name(s) of those who documented the Quran after the death of Mohammed.

CandyDiamond:
This one is busy reading Bible and twisting it to fit his taqiyya and consoling himself and feeling good.
[/b]Religion is truly the Opium of the masses[b].

My brother tell him the bitter truth. They are lost and doomed.

Hassan080196:
Give me instances.

How many instances do you want me to give you more than the ones I have quoted in my previous write ups? Don't be a bigot okay. Open your heart to the truth. Don't read with sentiments and bigoted lens.

Hassan080196:
Don't try to justify your so called holy book that is full of thousands of errors

How many overseers did Solomon appoint for the work of building the temple?

Three thousand six hundred (2 Chronicles 2:2)
Three thousand three hundred (I Kings 5:16)
Solomon built a facility containing how many baths?

Two thousand (1 Kings 7:26)
Over three thousand (2 Chronicles 4:5)
Of the Israelites who were freed from the Babylonian captivity, how many were the children of Pahrath-Moab?

Two thousand eight hundred and twelve (Ezra 2:6)
Two thousand eight hundred and eighteen (Nehemiah 7:11)
How many were the children of Zattu?

Nine hundred and forty-five (Ezra 2:
Eight hundred and forty-five (Nehemiah 7:13)
How many were the children of Azgad?

One thousand two hundred and twenty-two (Ezra 2:12)
Two thousand three hundred and twenty-two (Nehemiah 7:17)
How many were the children of Adin?

Four hundred and fifty-four (Ezra 2:15)
Six hundred and fifty-five (Nehemiah 7:20)

Your points are illogical and incoherent of the incoherent. I bet you I will school you on your own religion. Islam is built on falsehood hence the intolerance and violence of the followers. I will give you the detailed origin of the Quran in my next write up. Please just stay tuned cus its gonna be a long write ups.

Hassan080196:
I've been meeting liars in my life, Christians are greatest liars. You quote what is not in the Qur'an to console yourself. I'll write the verses out for you now.

إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ لَا يَخْفَىٰ عَلَيْهِ شَىْءٌ فِى ٱلْأَرْضِ وَلَا فِى ٱلسَّمَآء
From Allah, verily nothing is hidden on earth or in the heavens.Q3:5. On this interpretation, you're completely wrong.

The second verse goes thus:
هُوَ ٱلَّذِىٓ أَنزَلَ عَلَيْكَ ٱلْكِتَٰبَ مِنْهُ ءَايَٰتٌ مُّحْكَمَٰتٌ هُنَّ أُمُّ ٱلْكِتَٰبِ وَأُخَرُ مُتَشَٰبِهَٰتٌ ۖ فَأَمَّا ٱلَّذِينَ فِى قُلُوبِهِمْ زَيْغٌ فَيَتَّبِعُونَ مَا تَشَٰبَهَ مِنْهُ ٱبْتِغَآءَ ٱلْفِتْنَةِ وَٱبْتِغَآءَ تَأْوِيلِهِۦ ۗ وَمَا يَعْلَمُ تَأْوِيلَهُۥٓ إِلَّا ٱللَّهُ ۗ وَٱلرَّٰسِخُونَ فِى ٱلْعِلْمِ يَقُولُونَ ءَامَنَّا بِهِۦ كُلٌّ مِّنْ عِندِ رَبِّنَا ۗ وَمَا يَذَّكَّرُ إِلَّآ أُو۟لُوا۟ ٱلْأَلْبَٰبِ

Q3:7. He it is Who has sent down to thee the Book: In it are verses basic or fundamental (of established meaning); they are the foundation of the Book: others are allegorical. But those in whose hearts is perversity follow the part thereof that is allegorical, seeking discord, and searching for its hidden meanings, but no one knows its hidden meanings except Allah. And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say: "We believe in the Book; the whole of it is from our Lord:" and none will grasp the Message except men of understanding.


Read this verse to the end and never stop at the middle. Clear enough for the men of understanding.

Don't try to justify your so called holy book full of thousands of errors.

You have not defended anything here. Can a Muslim ask serious questions for certain clarifications without being persecuted? No.

Souljaboi1:
I would overlook the condescending tone of your write up and try to school you.


1. Islaam is based on لا اله الا الله which means "no one is worthy of worship except Allaah" and محمد رسول الله which means Muhammad [ﷺ] is the Messenger of Allaah.

Muhammad [peace be upon him] was a Prophet and Messenger of Allaah. A person can be a Prophet but not a Messenger but all Messengers are Prophets..

Sulayman (Solomon), Luut (Lot), Ayyub (Job) عليهم سلام were Prophets but not Messengers as they were not sent to preach to their people.


Nuh (Noah), Yunus (Jonah), Musa (Moses), Eesa (Jesus) and Muhammad عليهم سلام were Messengers as they were tasked with calling the people to worship Allaah. Their languages could have been different but their message was one.


Islaam teaches that all the previous Messengers were restricted to teaching their people or those within their locality. However, only Muhammad [ﷺ] was sent to the entire world. His status is different from other Messenger as he [ﷺ] was sent with the Last Holy Book and he is also the Seal of Prophet i.e. no more Prophet or Messenger after him..

This is the foundation of Islaam and yet the Shias oppose it.



2. The Shia believe that the Angel Jubril (Gabriel) made a mistake when he was sent to Earth to communicate with the new Prophet at the time. They say he (Jubril) عليه سلام was actually sent to Ali رضي الله عنه who was a cousin the Muhammad [ﷺ] and also husband to Faatimah (the daugther of Muhammad [ﷺ]). This statement is enough as evidence that they do not believe in Islaam. The religion has guideline which are to be followed. When you start changing those rules and creating new ones, then you find yourself outside the religion.

Islaam is not only about what you say, as anyone can claim to be a Muslim. Rather it focuses on your words, actions and also the intention. If one of the three goes contrary to what is expected, then it becomes a problem.



3. They also say the Qur'an is incomplete or tampered with. This goes against the Promise Allaah made in the Qur'an about safeguarding the contents of the Qur'an. It is the ONLY book that has remained UNCHANGED since its revealation over 1400 years ago. Not a single letter has been added or omitted.

How then can they be Muslims when they claim the Qur'an is incomplete?


It would interest you to know that Shia are classified as unbelievers worse than the Jews and Christians by the consensus of Islaamic Scholars worldwide. They are not allowed entrance into Makkah and Madeenah if they claim their title (most of them hide their identity when they go to those cities).


I can go on and on, but suffice to say that the Shias are not Muslims. They can pray, fast, dress like Muslims and all that; but in the end they are what they are; SHIA...

Tell me what you know about the Quran and I will give you the full and detailed origin of the Quran. Just stay tuned for the TRUTH.

Hassan080196:
Funny enough that many African christians do fail to use their thinking cap. This is not about copying or editing or whatever you call it. It's about setting the truth from falsehood.

Islam as only the religion of God Almighty is laid on a foundation of knowledge. You just don't say anything without prove. Islam glorifies knowledge and not illiteracy. (Q96-1-5). We don't just only rely on what our scholars say but we do more research unlike you christians. Whatever your pastors say is the final.

What I want from you is just to sit down and read bible from the beginning to the end. There you'll find the truth. Don't just rely on what your pastors taught you in church.

I still repeat it " Islam has been in existence since God created heaven and earth ".

Do your research man.

Lies. In islam, when a Muslim begins to ask serious questions, he can be highly suspected by his imam of having apostatized.
After reading a book, a Muslim asked his imam certain questions about their religion. The imam became very hostile and started persecuting him, suspecting that the young man must have come in contact with some dangerous Christians. The imam is not being unfair, he is only following the quran.
The quran says there should be no questioning by reader or any 'hidden meanings'(Sura 3:5). In islam, it is the policy of "Ta abbudi"- that the quran must "be accepted without criticism".
In sura 3:7 Allah says the Quran is clear enough for anyone to understand, but quickly add
" BUT THOSE IN WHOSE HEARTS PERVERSITY FOLLOW THE PART THEREFORE THAT IS NOT ENTIRELY CLEAR, SEEKING DISCORD, AND SEARCHING FOR ITS INTERPRETATION, BUT NO ONE KNOWS ITS TRUE MEANING EXCEPT ALLAH"
A Muslim who begins to ask probing questions about the Quran is seen as having perversity in the heart and seeking discord.
In the hadith, Mohammed said, "Allah has hated you for asking too many questions."

Hassan080196:
Funny enough that many African christians do fail to use their thinking cap. This is not about copying or editing or whatever you call it. It's about setting the truth from falsehood.

Islam as only the religion of God Almighty is laid on a foundation of knowledge. You just don't say anything without prove. Islam glorifies knowledge and not illiteracy. (Q96-1-5). We don't just only rely on what our scholars say but we do more research unlike you christians. Whatever your pastors say is the final.

What I want from you is just to sit down and read bible from the beginning to the end. There you'll find the truth. Don't just rely on what your pastors taught you in church.

I still repeat it " Islam has been in existence since God created heaven and earth ".

Do your research man.

Lies from the pit of hell. Let me school you on your religion.
Many of those who read the quran at all delight themselves in memorizing it or using it for charms. Portions are used as mascorts; sometimes certain portions are copied with special ink on a board and washed with water and drunk.
Many of those who study the book at all are interested only in memorizing the few verses that will be necessary to attack Christianity. Most of the studies of the quran by muslims have been prompted by the challenge of Western scholars. Some Western scholars know the quran more than most muslims because the latter do not have the freedom of scholarship.
A muslim, especially in an Islamic country, stands the risk of being condemned to death if he dares do a critical work on the quran. This therefore does not encourage any serious study of the book. When some see anything questionable, they gloss over it and pretend nothing is wrong.

[quote author=Hassan080196 post=52252957][/quote]Am telling you, you know nothing about the Quran.
Many of the errors in the Quran-historical fallacies and anachronism, plagiarism of fables and folktales, incomplete stories, endless repetitions, illogicality, disjointed and convoluted grammar and syntax, trivialities and myriads of contradictions would have been pardonable as an evidence of human hand who was unlettered: yes, these would have been overlooked if Muslims had not claimed that the Quran was the word of God dictated to Mohammed piece by piece or given to him as a book once preserved as a tablet in Heaven, and which had not been changes in any way; if they had not claimed the book is devoid of errors- if they had not said the Quran is a miracle , nay, the greatest and the ultimate miracle in the literacy works; if they had not busied themselves flaunting the Bible.

checkolatunji:
Lol abeg no come for me oo cos na United Nation discussion we dey do here oo( friendly chat) just proof your point

Jihad no mean war my friend. War jihad ended with the prophet ( make your findings about last word of the prophet after the last war he fought. )

Like I told you before people twist th Holy book just to sooth their evil deeds i.e Isis, BH etc

Safe

lol.... no lele bros. No be fight.

checkolatunji:
Kindly tell us where in the Quran that preach Hate and Violent as you claim

So jihad is in which holy book? Wishing Christians merry Christmas is haram is in which book? Don't worry I am coming for you.

checkolatunji:
My friend, we no dey fight na and I no dey try bring up anything.

I just want to chip in something.

With what you said and what I believe, my assertion is that they are people who try to twist the Holy books ( Quran, Bible) just to sooth their own believe so that their followers will be loyal to them ( this is the case of these Sunni and shiite issue) like and like other Christian churches too. Talk about Catholic, Anglican and pentecostal churches whereby they all have different doctrine, in which they go against each other.

Like in my area people always tackle jahova withness followers.

This happens in Islam too.

I hope you understand

Safe

Argh!!! but Christians no dey carry weapons tackle dia sef sha hence the difference.

Hassan080196:
I won't abuse you back rather I will debate you.

My first question is, where is your prove in the Bible that Jesus (PBUH) was actually born on December 25?

My second question is, Did Jesus ever made this kind of an ambiguous statement that "I am God, so worship me"? Prove from the verses of the Bible


I keep wondering why Christians are fast to call any Muslim who knows about their religion "fanatics".

Why are you digressing? So if I am a Christian and I don't call Jesus God and also worship Him then who should I call and worship? Mohammed or Allah? You claim to know the Bible so go and do a search yourself.
And let me ask you a question, why do you celebrate idi mualud (the birth of prophet mohd)? You know what? Your religion preach hate and violent so there is nothing you can tell me to convince me on this issue.

Hassan080196:
Never will a knowledgeable Muslim celebrate Xmas.

You so called knowledgeable Muslims aka fanatics are the problems of this world. Who cares whether you bigots celebrate Christmas with the Christians? Live and let other live okay. After all, you would say Islam is a religion of peace. So where is the love? A religion that does not preach religious tolerance is not worth to be called a religion of peace. Get lost with your fanatic brain.

Lucasinho:
U gat a Stone Heart...Repent!

Until one out of a thousand politicians repent then you can come preach to me. I still repeat, I do not give a damn if all the politicians in Nigeria get killed.

frisky2good:
RIP to the dead.

Why can't people just keep articles as simple as possible instead of making things complicated for readers with different grammatical blunders.

lol.... u sef get time to read. I only ready the topic and conclusion then I comment.

Jafar1:
nawao, gunmen killing politicians dis days

werrin concern u? Abi na u dem supposed kom kill? Make all d politicians die sef e no concern me.

AngelsAndStars:
liberal? you mean the ones that blocked the road for the military to pass?

none is liberal among both sect. they are both fighting for political control over Islam.

My bro/sis, you just killed it with your statement. I concur.

AngelsAndStars:
yeah, Iran is their head quarter. they prohibit public Christian practices and also kill any one who converts.

give yourself brain. this is just for sympathy if Christians as against Sunni muslims....

when will you people ever learn that any Islamic sect is deceptive

And the headquarters of the Sunnis is where? Saudi, Turkey or where? Anyways, I still prefer Shiite Muslims to sunni Muslims cus they are more liberal than the Sunnis.

Take it or leave it, Shiite Muslims are more tolerant than sunni Muslims. Shiites tend to respect other peoples belief and practices than the Sunnis. Shiites are more liberal and open minded than the Sunnis.

fiizznation:
lol. And who are the Sunni Muslims? You guys are comedians. I'm a muslim, not a Sunni or Shiite muslim. And that's how many Nigeria Muslims view themselves.

I disagree. Have a lot of Muslim friends who are Sunnis and they don't always want to hear anything concerning the Shiite Muslims. They always refer to Shiite Muslims as fake and even infidels just as they also refer to Christians.