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dalaman:
As I said earlier, I believe the stories were formulated after a person that existed by his followed who wanted to continue his movement. I just try to filter through it and accept what is humanly possible and discard what isn't.

You believe that the story was formulated yet you accepted some part of it as true based on what dalaman?

dalaman:
I just try to filter through it and accept what is humanly possible and discard what isn't. My own account is very humanly possible. The account I reject is simply untrue because it has fictional events and narratives that are just humanly impossible and can never happen in reality. If those stories are true then we will be able to see evidence for them and I stated that Jesus promised those people that believe in him the ability to do greater things than him but those that believe in him can't do any of the fantastic and incredible things written about him because it is simply untrue. It is on this basis that I chose to accept my own version and reject the other version.

Your version now is the authorised version of the event that happened thousands of years ago right? Yet you failed to give me an accurate account of the events that happened to your family line just about hundred years? Now tell me why anyone should take you serious?

dalaman:
It has nothing to do with my stand as an atheist. Those narratives are simply fictional because they are untrue. They are just legendary and mythological. I try to form my opinion on what is humanly possible and what is not based on the report. The miraculous parts are fictional.

Lengedary and mythological yet you foolishly believe part of it? The atheist community will be very proud of you right now

dalaman:
Nobody knows who wrote any of the Jesus stories? The stories were written ananonymously, not by people who witnessed the events or people who knew Jesus or ever met him but by people who lived very long after he died. People later(early church fathers ) on had to assign authorship to the books to give them legitimacy and chose the ones people were to accept as the true ones(Gospels) out of the many others that were in circulation. As for the followers what ever that was written about them is just part of the propaganda since it was written by people that wanted to promote the religiousmovement.

Suddenly you accepted something that nobody could tell you it was written by anybody. An authorless story appeal to you because you can not disprove it all together therefore you feel all you should do is to accept some part and reject some part so as not to be accused whenever you are cornered? Even Darwkin accepted an apologized on live TV. As for you on this faceless forum you arrogance won't even let you accept not to mention apology keep it up dalaman

dalaman:
Whether he was crucified or not is not a problem to me. All I believe is that he was executed in one way or the other. I am also willing to accept that he was crucified but how it was portrayed in the stories is what I do not believe.

This is the greatest problem you have ever had, you battle with it day and night as this is the major part of the said formulated story that you are still trying and working hard to reject, how can you then tell me it is not your problem when you droll over every Christian post on nairaland to disprove the same story?[/quote]

butterflylion:
I don't understand! How can you accept ANY PART of a story you have no way of verifying? Even if you accept a very little part according to you and that little part is that there was a man that was trying to create his own movement which angered the religious establishment and they had him killed.

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That isn't in any way a little part. It's a huge part of the story. You believe Jesus lived and you believe he died or was killed but either way HE DIED! Then you begin telling your own stories which you have no proof about that he did not die in the manner described and never rose again after 3 days.

Your account is as unverifiable as the one you reject so why would you then CHOOSE to believe your own account and not the other one you reject?

If you say those events are not naturally possible this then takes us back to your stand as an atheist who seeks verifiable evidence for events but you have no problem believing Jesus simply existed as long as none of the miraculous events are included.

Also if you say his followers wrote about Jesus in such a fantastic manner would you also say those followers wrote about themselves in the same fantastic manner and eye witness accounts of their own lives even after Jesus was long gone was also part of the advancement of your "Jesus fraud claim"?

Would you also say that documented third party accounts of how these followers died while declaring the gospel was also part of the propaganda?

Here is your comment below



You are saying two different things there and cancelling out your comments by yourself.

First you say YOU DO NOT REALLY BELIEVE HE DIED IN THE MANNER IN WHICH THE STORIES DEPICTED BUT BELIEVE HE WAS KILLED. (statement one)

(Now statement two)

YOU SAID WAS HE CRUCIFIED OR STONED TO DEATH YOU CANNOT REALLY SAY.

BUT STATEMENT ONE ALREADY SAID YOU DO NOT BELIEVE HE DIED IN THE MANNER DEPICTED WHILE STATEMENT 2 SAYS THE DIRECT OPPOSITE WHEN YOU SAID YOU CANNOT SAY FOR SURE HOW HE DIED AFTER SAYING YOU BELIEVE HE DID NOT DIE AS DEPICTED.

Kindly clarify.

dalaman is in some sort of problem this morning

butterflylion:
So without any verifiable proof, you simply believed as an atheist that a man named Jesus once existed. Note I said verifiable proof.

Are these " stories" you said were invented verifiable to you?

Plus would you say ALL the stories about him were invented or some of them? If you say some of them, which ones?

Please answer my questions calmly.

Watch him change the argument, just watch

dalaman:
I stated what was fictional. Virgin birth etc.

You surely love one thing most in your dear life and that's definitely derailing, you've actually tried derailing this thread okay continue

dalaman:
There was a man named Jesus that lived about 2000 years ago. He died and after his death his followers started elevated him to a God. They formed stories about him, how he was born through a virgin (fiction ), how he performed many fictitious wonders like walk on water, turn water to wine, raise the dead etc, they said he was killed and later came back to life (fiction ) and claim he is still alive to this day (more fiction)

The real Jesus died 2000 years ago. Any additional story about him being alive remains fictional. That's why you can not even give me a basic description of him even though yu claim to interact with him.

You can't because you are dealing with a fictional being.

Dalaman version of history. You state it like you were there as it happens. Your hypocrisy is out of this world

dalaman:
Jesus is a mythology character. He is also dead just like my grandfather of the 6th generation thatbisbwhy you can not describe him. You believe he is alive but in reality he is dead. The Jesus you believe is alive is fictional. The real one is dead. He died about 2000 years ago.

Now suddenly he was alive and died many years ago? But before now he was not real. You can go on an keep deceiving yourself and your beloved atheist community

dalaman:
The Jesus character in the bible is no different from superman.

No difference from superman really? Denial is now what us reality to you. Oops atheists are really really wise

dalaman:
My paternal grandpa of the 6th generation died many years ago. I've never meet him, I don't know him. I don't even know his name or have any idea about him.because he died many years ago and my parents and grand parents never told me anything about him.

Jesus on the other hand is said to be alive. That you are comparing a man I admit is dead whom I do not know to Jesus who you claim is alive and feel you are making sense shows how inane your reasoning ability is.

Does his death many years ago make him a fiction? Now you can see what you look like when you call Jesus a fiction.

dalaman:
Use God alone and explain the origin of oxygen.

Why don't you do it without mentioning God?

Benekruku:
Rubbish!

So is God that created oxygen?

Everything about the God is all fiction!

Walked on water, healed the sick, woke the dead, fed a million, converted water to wine, patched a ear and none has been replicated by its believers except staged!

Who doesn't know where oxygen comes from or how it can be produced

All this sheeples sef! God created Oxygen and who created Carbon mono Oxide? Devil?

Mental slavery!

You the slave of your imagination.
You comment above prove only one thing, you are not an atheist but a Christian hater

dalaman:
The difference btw my paternal grand father of the 6th generation and Jesus is that my paternal grandpa of the 6th generation is dead while Jesus is said to be alive.

Did you truly believe you made sense with this inane post of yours? Am sure deep down you don't.

Is this the description of your paternal grandfather? Is this how you answer questions? Is this all atheism taught you? Can't you be better than this? Oh no!
Now tell me how intelligent an atheist can be when you can not answer a question but avoid a simple question like an Ebola plague. Guy you Sabi dodge gan-an ni keep it up.

dalaman:
Am suprise that you are giving this analogy. What is the difference between Jesus and superman? Both a characters in fictitious stories. I will call any body that claims fictional chapters from stories do things. It's that simple.

Can you feel how unreasonable you are? Just tell me any ancient historian that wrote something to make you think Jesus is fictional or fictitious

frank317:
Now u understand why we think you guys might be stupid... Nice analogy there. A christian, works hard an makes money, but like the fool who says superman broke the tv, they say Jesus made them rich... isnt that stupid?

Still saying the same thing nothing new nothing special nothing reasonable just repeating the same thing I stated instead for giving an answer. After now you'll need fuming about how intelligent you are. Ish

lfleak:
Why should he bother disproving ignorance? Stop showing being gullible Jesus won't save you..

Ignorance you call it without any prove, without any form of argument not even a reason given and you want to be taken serious? What the hell is wrong with you?

dalaman:
Are you Jesus? Why get angry and throw tirades and insults at someone who insults Jesus? Did he insult you? Shebi you claim that Jesus is alive, let Jesus respond to the insults himself. Abi him no fit respond? Imagine me getting angry and throwing tirades at a person for insulting something I claim is alive and is also omnipotent? What a load of madness. Why should you fight for this almighty God when he is insulted? Fight your battles when you are affronted and allow Jesus fight his own and stop acting like an Islamic terrorist wanna be.

HopefulLandlord e be like say all the things wey you type up there really pain this our resident mumu.

Would you imagine someone insulting what he claims never existed? Isn't that the highest degree of madness? If your TV is broken in your house and your friend said that superman broke it, how do you see that friend of yours? I guess you will call him stupid won't you?

bobowaja:
The first stage of learning is admitting you don't know anything and prepared to know. But religious dogmas made us accept whatever they gave us without asking further questions (therefore that is not learning but dogma). Part of our work here on earth is to solve the puzzles of life and not to look it at the face and attribute it to some mythical powers. We are part of creator's creations and we are creators ourselves. We are made to further the creator's work (Factories and airports were not built by the Supreme creator, but by us which are also in oneness with Him).

So my dear brother, puzzles were meant to be solved by us and we will solved it eventually either by this generation or series of generation that comes after (the level of technology obtainable at this Era were impossible several centuries ago).

And finally bro, keep your several dollars, I don't need it.


You may be wondering which kind of being I am. Well, lemme give you an insight to myself - I belief in God the Supreme Being but I don't belief in religions

You might have done well by answering if you still could not answer then keep your wisdom to yourself it is not needed here since it serves no purpose
Thank you

dalaman:
What verifiable evidence about Jesus has anyone ever presented like you would parts of a car like speedometer, dashboard, seats, etc. As the story goes Jesus was a man. If I tell you to give a detailed description of him you'll start baaing and mehing.

That last bible verse is a lie like many other bible verses.

Can you give me a brief description of your paternal grandfather for 6 generations? If not why are you this silly?

DeSepiero:
You're going to far. I understand where you're coming from but try to be humble enough to accept something that you missed.

According to the English dictionary, when a question is asked, the response expected is called an "ANSWER".

Do you still accept the fact that answers could be wrong or right? If you do then stop being a dolt

DeSepiero:
Now, that expected response could be correct or wrong in some contexts. It's that simple.

So you accept that there are wrong answers? Then why being this unimaginable? All you want is to dodge the question by raising arguments. If you can not answer the OP then find your way out its not a must you comment

TalkIslam:
Salam!

Do you want to LEARN or CRITICISE.

You either disprove a statement or accept it, stop beating about the bush

Habyz:
If you can't read the Quran why are so disturbed that you lie against it

Why not disprove what he has said instead of this one liner of an excuse?

How could we expect Nigeria to win jollof war on Ghana soil?
When Ghana has been our sworn enemy in the jollof war?
I pity those Nigerians that expect to win

I thought they said there will be no election in Anambra or is it Anambla that will have no election? Just asking before bigots come for my head

Dohgon:
For those who are not yet aware. The Pineal Gland is a gland that sits in the middle of your Brain. It produces the most important Hormone inthe Brain, Melatonin. Melatonin repairs cells at night along with providing various other benifits. Most people's Pineal Glands have become Calcified due to an overdependency on Light and lack of sleep. The whhite man, particularly has a very low functioning Pineal Gland therefore he Theorizes that the Pineal Gland is useless. Yet still he is engaging in producing Synthetic Melatonin (soon to be a billion dollar industry)

No one knows how the Pineal Gland produces Melatonin but Professor MOmOh teaches that it is through a connection to the Spiritual energy of the universe. He has developed various tools to measure Pineal function as well as techniques to de Calcify the gland. Please visit the dohgonuniversity.com where you can contact him directly.

And unproven assertion keep it up

Dohgon:
Understand the illogical reasoning behind the god concept of creation. He (god) being all powerful and wise decides to enter into an exercise by creating similar being to himself, not because he is lonely but because he can. He first did so when he created his angels but then (having being pleased) with his angels (even a defiant one name Lucifer) he decides to create (man) in their (god and his angels) own image.

(The illogical activities begin) He creates a man and a woman (adam and eve) He gives them Free-will to do anything they want (with conditions) by putting all kinds of temptations in their lives (for obedience sake)

That means that Lucifer has thought him things he (god) in his infinite wisdom did not know. (rebellion and disobedience)

Lets fast-forward a bit to understand that the world as it is today is all Lucifer’s fault. Or is it?

God is flawed because he created Lucifer and refused to fix him knowing that Lucifer had the potential to corrupt everything he, God creates.

How can people believe in this crap? The reason is because religious people have no other way to explain their creation so they overlook these illogical flaws in their God stories. They refuse to understand Pure Energy because their awareness is too limited to believe that Consciousness can exist without a host.

Who created DNA? Who created Monkeys and Fishes? Please. Intelligence needs no host. It’s like saying which came first, the Chicken or the Egg? The Brain or Intelligence? I would argue that Intelligence came first.

This statement follows no argument pattern just your doctored mindset.

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Fresh fish pepper soup (this always makes me feel like throwing up)

Bubu is back naira is dropping

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Dohgon:
In referring to the "white man" I am referring to Life unaware in search of truth therefore (theorizing). I am Life same as the white man except he is built to be Curious and Risky and ultimately self rightuous, uninterested in Truth because he believes himself the highest among creation. His behavior is not a mystery when you begin to understand Life. Life is like the Behemoth described in your scriptures. Watch it and marvel at its ways, understand it using the Spirit or be chewed up by it.

Yes the white man discovered Nurons, pyrimidine, cytosine and many other Brain chemicals but he doesnt use that knowledge to understand Life beyond manipulating and controlling it. Again Life doesnt mind because Life is self correcting and purposed to survive and thrive at all costs. Think of how ironic it is that Life is trying to create an android (a mechanical humanoid that cannot die. Conscious and posessing all the knowledge humanity has gained) True immortality but watch him and be careful lest he distroys you along with him. The only way to redirect the consciousness of Life is to pay attention to the Spirit. Decalcify your Pineal Gland so the energy of the universe can help to guide you.

Follow him and his deceptive religions at your peril.

Much word with no message. Just wobbling around like a lost kid. "referring to white man I am referring to life unaware...." like seriously. Like I said before go and sleep guy it's like you've been hypnotised

opal4real:
The difference between us is, I'm not myopic neither am i gullible not to see the good, bad and ugly without saying it as it is.

Hahahahaha OK let's say you are suffering from astigmatism then? You've seen the good the bad and the ugly but the only thing you understand is the bad. OK continue to see and speak ill, it'd your problem not mine

Dohgon:
The white man and his religions have trapped you in a Liniar thinking and understanding of creation. You think that energy needs a Host. I know because I have read the bible and enerytime that your so-called god entered the world you had to provide a vessel until jesus and then after that you are still waiting for signs in a vessel.

What creates thought?
Energy transferring between nerve endings between your two Brain hemesphares. (Neurotransmitters). The firing of multiple transmitters is that generates Thought. If you could see that energy transfer it would look like Lightning. Now tell me this...do you see Lightning in the world? Do you know what kind of energy that Lightning is producing besides fear in people not wanting to get struck by it? Do you know of other regions in the Solar system where tremendus energy is being transferred 24/7?

My creator needs no host my friend and just because my awareness is too limited to truly understand my creators thoughts does not mean I have to resort to Linear Logic for personal satisfaction. If I want to understand my creator and myself I must must must understand myself. Stop limiting your knowledge to ideas that 2000 year old philosophers created.

Was it the black man that taught you about nerve ending? Stop being ridiculously silly here man. How did your lightening create DNA? Can you please explain how a monkey million years ago became a human and that process stopped happening? How fishes decided to live on land and turn out to become mammals? Why dinosaurs are extinct and fishes are still living? Guy if you don't know what to say next just keep quiet

johnydon22:
Jesus christ! gravitation is explained by Einsteins theory of relativity or newton's theory of gravitation before then. please i am not here to do this, you need to improve the quality of your arguments.

What was Einstein explanation of gravitation? As if Einstein started it