₦airaland Forum

saddler:
Where did you dig up these new lies about Oduduwa from?

You accuse the other guy of being a revisionist and yet out of the blue you come up with a new story about the origin of Oduduwa completely different from what has been promoted and written over the years.

What happened to the story of Oduduwa coming from Mecca?

And the believe by yoruba cultural traditions that he fell from the sky?

Answer the question, who is IDU's father?

Olu317:
How do you get your own Igodo historical information about Owodo ?

Th I am interested in it because if indeed Igodo know the origin of Oduduwa, tell us the history of Ogun the man and not the deity.

How many houses founded Igodomigodo ?

Are Urhobo groups part of ancient Igodomigodo ?

Who were the efas in Igodomigodo ?

Who were the Ikas in Igodomigodo land ?

What is the version of how the king's sword got in Biniland ?

Whose house gives the sword to Oba Bini ancestrally ?

Clearly, in scholarly world, linguistic trait is part of determining where ethnic identity is from or aptly if a superior group came to another group's land and impose her language in that land and intermarried with the locals.

This is how you can understand how migration of people can be determined or possibility of it.

Un Ecology of language,studies has shown that a superior teacher's language can affect weak learner's ethnic group language in the hand of such superior teacher's language, if migration or contact arises for whatever reason.

Some examples, the Yoruba language infiltrate Igodomigodo language, in which traces of Yoruba language mixed up with Igodomigodo.

Ibo language having contact with Yoruboid language which makes some Ibo lexicon becomes corruptly pronounced in one way or the other which easily makes such cognates.

Another example is imposition of English language by the British colonialist who use her language as a means of communication in her colonies.

Interestingly, Yoruba language has a means of survival in Nigeria because of Ifaodu( highly detailed sacred memoir of Yoruba religious beliefs and worldview. Besides, the English language borrowed a lot from the Hebrew and the Hebrew-Arabic are enshrined in Yoruba Ifaodu.

The same can be said about Hausa language and her people of a high probability of survival though with heavy influence from Arabic language.etc

Plainly , Oduduwa has history in ifaodu and also in Ileife. So Erroneously information that has littered made it looks like Oduduwa the man is not Yoruba but Edo ? Mind you, Edo people lied or their scholars or kings courtyard historians lied about Oduduwa being on throne when Ileife was visited by the Edo chiefs. Oduduwa the man was long gone.

In between, I am waiting for your answers.

Your response seems too much for him, don't expect any reasonable response other than the usual conjectures. You should have leave it at the question stages. Anyway, good write up there keep winning, as we go into the year 2022 I hope Bini delusionists would find internal peace

When that con artist was deceiving Igbo people these set of monarchs were happy that he was hating on other tribes, now the monster they all created is home to eat them all

OfoIgbo:
Be patient Imo people.

Buhari's murderous government will leave the scene in less than two years time

The APC and Fulani-controlled security forces, who are obviously responsible for these acts of terrorism, cannibalism and murder, will loose their main sponsor in government

This denial will be the end of y'all

petra1:
you can't mix christianity and Islam. Not the same faith

Christianity and Islam have never been the same, they will never be the same

meccuno:
your life and that of your mpa is useless. Omo ale

Ọmọ ìrankíran, atoko wá baléjẹ́

[quote author=obembet post=108113767][/quote]Why was George Weah given the world best that year? Was he European? Stoopid people saying Stoopid things

tarantino1:
You are far from sensible and I will say it for you again.

The data I used for my analysis is online. Go find it yourself and run the math from your own bedroom. Or is simple mathematics difficult for you to you understand?

In your foolishness, you said the purpose of a weak Naira is to encourage export. And I will say it again that the efforts of the CBN governor to stabilise and improve the Naira should tell you that weakening the currency is not the goal.

The fact that you would try to defend the failures of the government using that pathetic excuse of 'encouraging eport' shows that you do not understand currency and purchasing power.

You thought you could post your gibberish online and no one would challenge it, well you thought wrong.

If you have a good rebuttal to what I posted, then state it with facts. Otherwise, swallow your pride and get the fûck of my mention.

You're seriously mad beyond psychiatric help, you will have to visit the dibia in your village

meccuno:
How has your useless state impacted your life?

In anyway that your miserable statement has helped your useless life

CocoaOla:
You are calling for inflation just like Venezuela and Zimbabwe

What do you know about the inflation in Zimbabwe?

tarantino1:
Some of you are not very smart even though you claim to be.

You keep comparing countries like Japan and S.Korea that have deliberately weakened the value of their currency to the Naira that keeps free falling like a recently ejaculated penis.

While those countries have weak currencies, it will surprise you to know that they have been very stable over the past two decades.

In fact, the value of the Japanese Yen has increased by 4.1 percent since November 2001 which shows that it is a stable economy.

The value of S.Korea Won has decreased by only 0.76 percent since 2003 when compared to the dollar.

Compare these currencies with the Naira that has seen a decrease in value by a whooping 197% since 2003.

You are the one who should educate yourself on the subject of currency and purchasing power. You don't know shît about anything in this topic.

The fact that the CBN Governor has taken different methods over the past months to stabilise the Naira (though failed) should tell you that a free falling Naira is not the goal. It is rather the end result of failing system.

Your arrogance on this matter is inconsequential. You want me to delve down to your level which I won't because I'm not stoopid enough not to know your level of reasoning. Where did I compare Japan and Nigeria? Besides that, what is wrong with comparison? Oh you felt it is only you who has the prerogative of doing silly analysis conncorted from your bedroom lmao. Just swerve away, I'm not here for this madness

ajl:
Yea, you got that right. But without the right policy, sound bank credit system and adequate power supply, no sound manufacturing for export will happen. The dumb and evil political elites loves the status quo.

Yes o, politicians love things to remain the same because in the terrible system they are making it big

meccuno:
[s][/s] please stop posting this rubbish IGR. It has no impact in the lives of ordinary Nigerians. No state in Nigeria is doing well. All 36 states in Nigeria are hopelessly useless. Which state in Nigeria can compete with Johannesburg infrastructure? Abeg make we see road

Why you dey vex? Is it because your state performance was woeful?

Oh oh! No wonder it is easy for Kanu to recruit a lot of them. Mkpulummri is at work. I use to wonder why such an enterprising people will be so gullible now I know the reason

Alfamann:
Please tell us what we can buy with #780

Even though the naira is weak in international trade, #750 will still give you a complete meal anywhere in Nigeria unlike one pound in the UK. The purpose of weak naira is to discourage import and encourage export. Y'all should just stop displaying ignorance on currency and purchasing power

aremuforlife:
You don't compare 1naira to 1pound, you equivalent it the counterparts.
Do you know why most businesses man and woman chose China as their market destination?
China purposely devalue their currency.
Like I said, 1pound can't fetch a plate meal, but you can get a plate of meal with #780 in Lagos and more in other part of the country, even cheaper FCT

Many people just make a mess of their economics knowledge when they only make assertions about the naira based on exchange rate and they forget the purchasing power of currencies in their respective domain. 1 pound can not buy in the UK what its equivalent can buy in Nigeria. Although the naira seems weak in international trade but locally it is very much strong. 750 naira can still buy a complete meal anywhere in Nigeria, 1 pound can not do such in the UK

oldtruth:
But he won.

See, no matter where or whom you are. Never discredit people's achievement. It takes hardwork and dedication. Just an advice

Where did I discredit his achievement? The man is old now he should rest abegi
With his experience he should have known when to quit being a whinger. He should put up a good management team that can get him private organisations sponsorship for whatever Guinness book of record fight that he want without harrasing anyone if he is that sure of his Bendel insurance

pyro62:
Old glory. If he desperately wants to fight again, he should freestyle with Mike Tyson. But he should share his properties among his children first

Unfortunately Bash Ali has no child not even a wife

oldtruth:
Bash Ali is a cruiser weight and one of the best in the game with tremendous profile.

So sad we have uncultured kids scattered everywhere. Wish Bash the best of luck

Truth is, Bash Ali refuse to quit when he should.ust he always harras sports ministers? All the fight that was organised for him in the late 90s what benefit did those fight brought him? Even his fight with Akan Abiodun Udoema that was aired live on AIT then was a sham. Make he rest jare

dazzlingd:
The legendary Bash Ali.

Pls who can help us "indomie generation" tell the story of this guy. I use to hear the name but dont know much about him, was a heavyweight champion or what?

Heavy kini? Bash Ali is a Cruiserweight boxer

lkillbrokehoes:
36 children? dude was trying to raise a whole community.

Now that he's dead, how will his wives and children survive?

They will form a militia group and enter the creek

luizpippo:
Since you want to feast on dead bodies, you can go and pick them from the morgue.

Is it aliens that were massacred at the LGT? Where are their families? Why has none ever come to the judicial panel to present their cases? Stop trying to force a lie down our throat y'all should grow up from this nonsense

xelly:
Go for data collection from hospitals in Lagos, ask people around Lekki, interact with military and policemen in Lagos. Do your analysis an present your findings.

I home I am not talking to a dummy? I hate wasting time with dummies.

You wrote about massacre and I asked you evidence of it. Don't you think the burden of proof lies on you who assert? I have done a lot of searching I've not seen any evidence of massacre but you want to force it down my throat like a baby being force fed no I won't take that. If you are not a dummy present your proof. People were massacred at the LGT has been what you people cry and whinge about but those people who were killed there were aliens as their families couldn't come out and prestel their cases at the judicial panel. What a silly joke!

xelly:
You can speak the truth you know. Those that massacred Endsars protesters can do anything. You know that is an act of Terrorism? Are they not Terrorist in Uniform?

Where is the evidence of massacre?

Princeadebayo11:
I owe them N1,000, they supposed to clear my debt

xelly:
NGSycophant, do you mean to say that the minister is brain dead not to know her?

It has become an honour to be "IPOB TERRORIST" You know why? Terrorists are hiding but "IPOB TERRORIST" are on your TV, Bank ,market etc sharing love and humanity.

Sharing love by killing their own brothers and sisters in the name of defiling a mindless sit at home order from one scam artist?

aremuforlife:
Between me and you who is crazy?
You witness a massacre and you can't appear before a panel to give an account of what happens, but you are saying rubbish.
Come out with your fact and evidence, I will be ready to support you and thousands of people are out there ready to support. We all want to see the fact that massacre took place and not some fucking emotion.

It is really annoying to read about how much people talk about massacre but there's none of them that is ready to present evidence. All you'll see is insult and curses whenever you request them to give evidence.

Born2Breed:
No Ifa major ritual or ceremony is considered genuine or acceptable to the gods or ancestors without being wrapped in Edo traditions and involving a typical Bini traditional faith custodian, from Oduduwa�s time until now. This is because both Ifa and Bini traditional faiths have a strong common source, which explains Oduduwa�s easy assimilation into the Ifa traditions. Oduduwa was the spiritual leader of Ifa divinity. The Yoruba (who call Tu-SoS, Olodumare), saw Oduduwa as a direct descendant. His banishment link with the God-son (Ogisos) was kept a secret from the Yoruba. In fact, the Yoruba believed he was a deity from the sky and accorded him great reverence as their leading ancestor and spiritual icon.

The Bini say there are two aspects of man. One half is ehi, which is the spirit essence and the other half is the omwa, which is the physical person. The two interchange existences seven times each, to produce in totality the fourteen phases of human existence. Before birth, the ehi (the spirit essence) of the individual humbly goes before Osanobua (Tu-SoS), to ask for the kind of life he wishes to live on earth (agbon). The requests obviously are made with a baby�s innocence of rights and wrongs and the weight of the karmic debit and credit baggage of the individual from previous life styles. However, the choice of the new life style is patently and entirely the individual�s, and could be any or a combination of scenarios. He may want to be a powerful magician, a rich businessman or farmer, a great warrior, a happy or unhappy family man, a wimp or beggar, a revered medicine man, a famous chief or popular king and even a notorious thief.

The request process is called hi and leads to Osanobua stamping his sacred staff on the floor to seal the wishes. The secret wishes are only known to ehi who is entrusted with the responsibility of ensuring that his second half (omwa) keeps to the promises made before Osanobua. The Bini, however, believe that their ancestors can intercede on their behalf, when faced with failure in life. This apparently is in contradiction of the popular notion of destiny being immutable but then, what is a man�s life worth without hope?

In Yoruba mythology, Olodumare is the Almighty Tu-SoS whose sixteen ministers serve as intermediaries between Tu-SoS and mortals because (Tu-SoS) Olodumare is too great and remote. The ministers include Orunmila, the God of wisdom, Obatala, the God of creativity, Ogun, the God of Iron and Shango (Jakuta), the God of lightening, just like the attributes of the Sefiroth of the Jews. Obatala has the responsibility of creating human forms, while Orunmila endows the forms with sense. Obatala was revered as a great artist and yet deformities continued to smear his record in creating perfect human images. He rushed back to Olodumare to request for the power to mould only perfect human forms. Ajalorun, the gatekeeper to heaven, laughed and put Obatala through a learning process to demonstrate that humans choose what they would look like or become, before birth, and not even Obatala could change that. In other words, failure or success in life depends on ones chosen destiny, says the Yoruba. Destiny is chosen by ori or ori-inu (the inside of ones head or inner essence. Therefore, ori-inu alone, and no one else, knows the content of the chosen destiny. Ori is the spiritual essence of man and precedes him to life, sheds part to animate and monitor the physical self on earth while the other part stays behind with the Creator. The part that animates life returns to the other half on the death of the animated physical body on earth.

This, of course, means that there are two sides to man. The ori-inu, which is identified by the Yoruba with the head, and the eniyan (which is identified with the heart) and includes aspirations, desires, feelings and thoughts. When aspirations fail to tally with immutable destiny, the head and the heart are said to be in conflict and to minimize or prevent this tendency the Yoruba have developed prayerful songs to extol the ori-inu to harmonize with eniyan while on earth. This peculiar song is translated by Prof. E.D. Babatunde to English (published in �Bini and Yoruba Notions of Human Personality� the �Substance of African Philosophy, edited by C.S. Momoh, African Philosophy Projects Publications, Auchi, Nigeria, 2000).

The central figure in Ifa divinity is Orunmila, the God of wisdom who, in Yoruba myth, was witness to earth�s creation. You can�t go further in human history than that. Oduduwa�s link with immortality comes from his sometimes being equated with Orunmila in Yoruba myth. Orunmila uses his special insight as a witness to creation, to guide, help, and teach the 401 spirits sent to earth to organize the world. The spirits include gods of fire, iron, vegetation, thunder, eshu, and goddesses such as, Yemoja the goddess of fertility. These are specialized pockets of karmic or electromagnetic vibrancies, incorporating the spirits of ancestors, who performed incredible feats when alive. They are neither good nor bad, just spiritual energies to tap into for selfish and other ends.

�Ifa� sounds like the Bini �Iha.� Both divinations are oral, secretive in dimension and thrive on words of wisdom from the obvious to the proverbial, the mystical to the esoteric. They are gigantic memory banks of words on all sorts of events on earth and under the heavens. No issue is too trivial to preserve and the information banks� subjects range from births to deaths of the lowly and the kings, wars, evolution of great and small empires and nations, journeys, marriages, quarrels, etc. Every incidence imaginable is carefully catalogued, itemized and stored away ready to be accessed by the trained mind at will. The knowledge banks are constantly being replenished and updated to make them ever fresh, relevant, and comprehensive.

Both Ifa and Iha religious traditions use myths, parables, proverbs, symbols, magic and numbers to conceal truth from the non-initiates. Initiates go through long and tedious periods of training where teachings are memorized rather than written down. Ifa and Iha students start between the ages 7-10. Progress between training grades is slow and laborious, subjecting students to memory and bodily ordeals and tests. Only the very fit, tough, and determined can survive and complete the training and graduate. Many drop by the wayside. Students graduate 12 years later as philosopher-priests, known as Babalawos (or Awos) in Ifa and Obos in Bini. The Ifa library of wisdom is called Odu ifa and consists of 256 verses divided into 16 chapters of 250 minor categories. An Awo, apart from memorizing all these, must be able to recognize and interpret the 16 major signs and the 240 minor ones as they appear or fall in divination.

Language in aid of history

Language is a legitimate tool for constructing history and all the names associated with Oduduwa have deeper roots in Bini language than in the Yoruba. The Arabs or the Yoruba, do not have words like �Uhe� (the sacred name for Bini and Ile-Ife, or words ending with �duwa,� �noyan� or �miyan,� which are typical Bini vowels. �Uhe� is perhaps the most powerful and revealing of all the Bini names associated with Ile-Ife because depending on how it is pronounced, it could refer to something sacred or taboo (such as Virgin or Virginity or Vagina), interpreted as innocence, source, birth canal.

Oduduwa is not the ancestor of the Yoruba

Many Yoruba historians have canvassed the view that Oduduwa was not the Yoruba ancestor and we have now proved it that Oduduwa entered Yoruba history about 900 years ago. There were Yoruba people living in the hamlets Oduduwa stumbled upon. But Oduduwa and his children, the Obalades organized the Yoruba into a nation state and civilized them. Oduduwa was the first ruler in all of Yoruba land and was seen as the Yoruba spiritual progenitor. He introduced them to the idea of rulership. Bini history precedes Oduduwa�s by at least 1,240 years because 31 Ogisos ruled Igodomigodo between 40 BCE � 1200 CE.

Those 1,240 years of early Bini history could not have been deliberately constructed to coincide with Oduduwa�s intervention in Ife so that the Bini could claim to have been the progenitors of the Yoruba? It is the Yoruba that are looking to be someone�s progenitors anyway. Edo simply states the fact that between 1100 and 1200 CE, her Prince Ekhaladerha took 1,240 years of illustrious Edo civilization to some remote non-Edo hamlets he named Uhe (re-birth) and his domicile he named Ilefe (successful escape), and woke up the Yoruba race.

According to Ovbia Oba Edu Akenzua in his book, Ekaladerhan, �the issue is not about whether or not the relationship between Benin and Ife existed, its existence has been proven beyond doubt by anthropological and folkloric evidence. Songs and rituals are performed in both Benin and Ife today which eulogize the link with nostalgia, relish and pride.�

The Yoruba hamlets, Ekhaladarha eventually settled in were obviously no where as sophisticated as Igodomigodo. Yoruba historians attest to the contrast in sophistication between the kingdom Oduduwa was coming from and the Yoruba villages he joined. The question now is, why a people as sophisticated in political and social administration, spanning a period of 1,240 years, would be looking to some unknown alien villages for a king at a time of crisis? Unless through military conquest, such adventure is not normal and the Oduduwa�s hamlets in Yoruba land at the time were not known to have conquered even their neighbours let alone to have ventured as far away from home as Igodomigodo.


prolog311
deadlytruth
areafada

Won't you even mention the writer of this article in the sun newspaper? In case you didn't know that we've gone past this nonsense by Edo revisionists, even the lowlifer Osahon that wrote it knows that it is a futile effort at revision as your ekala was banished to ugoton, lived and die there according to the earliest Benin historical account. Stop all these copy and paste

Olu317:
Explain what Aguda means in your dialect and translate it.

Ṣé olódo ni eléyìí ni?

Olu317:
What exactly do you know about the Yoruba's Tọra-Tura and Hebrew's Tora and not Bible ?

The name Bible came From Middle English bible, from Middle Latin - biblia ("book" (misinterpreted as a feminine from earlier Latin neuter plural biblia ("books"), from Old Greek βιβλία, plural of βιβλίον ("small book", originally a diminutive of βίβλος ("book", from βύβλος ("papyrus" (from the ancient Phoenician city of Byblos which exported this writing material).

The Old English used biblioþēce (from βιβλιοθήκη) and ġewritu (> English writs) for "the Scriptures."

Bible as a word for scripture wasnt Hebrew's but when their written account in classic form of writing such as ideograms were stolen and the elite, from kings, princes, princesses,chiefs, warriors,citizens were captured etc.

It is from this angle that many were killed while some were being taken to enemies kingdoms as slaves and some of them survived to rebel their new adopted kingdoms and got freed through their alliances with the other kingdoms who wage war against such reigning group(s)over supremacy.

The Bible is a book that contains the history of the Yorubas ,from the following
principal one God

Holy spirit,second in command

other spirit servants

God chose a leader amongst spirits to be leader

the creation angle in Eden,

One disobedient spirit being who pride himself

though Eledumare dealth with him.

human antagonists who are disease,death poverty etc

Heaven and earth recognition of birth and death

to ritual observation

Divination system Ifaodu and efaodu

to commandments

intermarriages with darkskin Africans of African descent such as Nubian, Ethiopians, Egyptians of different dynasty

Relationship of sonship between God and man

All these are information are written down but when the early knowledge were taken from the Hebrew, it turned back to memorising, until it was revamp and later lost it out in Egypt.

In present day Yoruba land of Ileife, the semitic inscriptions lay as to the pointer of it all. So, the bible is not static nor was is it , but the account the western world could lay their hands on were in some account misinterpreted while some area have account, which accurately have parallel information found in Ifaodu.

Shut the hell up
Stop dabbling into things you have no clue about. How do you sleep at nights after writing gibberish like this up here?
Holy spirit second in command? Where did that silly idea pop up from? Are you really nut or you're just trying to be mad? What sort of nonsense is this?

Olu317:
So I do not know anything about Africa ? Seriously you need up your studying and find fact which is not based on emotion.

Nothing I mentioned in my previous post , you have full knowledge on yet you boast as if you know much on Ifaodu or even Egyptians historical findings that has to do with dna of Pharaohs that reigned at different times. What about the different form of gods they worship even Ram?

Are you even aware of incest and siblings marriage amongst Pharaohs lineage to assert right to the throne ?

No wonder Africa as a whole with multiethnic groups remain backward, despite over 80%+ world used mineral deposits being genereated in this part of the world's continents.

Who conducted DNA for different Pharoahs that ruled T different times in Egypt? Please who did that in what research work/paper was it published? Who were/was the researcher(s)?

Macof TAO11 your boy has come again o

rhektor:
What diacritics was on Ilorin? Otito? Wipe? Etc
You still haven't made any sense with this yiur gymnastics


Less I forget, you asked for transliteration and not translation lol
Like what the fvck is transliteration of words that were written in the alphabets that both of us are familiar with? Do you actually want the nonsense you wrote to be transcribed into Chinese or Arabic alphabets? Olu317 why do you always jump around whenever you are called out? Answer questions without changing topics, stop muddling things together

Olu317, why have you not responded to these words in bold?