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4kings:
Oops, apparently this subject is a big issue.
http://www.awitness.org/contrabib/history/joshua.html

Maybe you don't know that this has been dealt with in the past. Mr wannabe atheist check this out

http://www.tektonics.org/gk/joshcont.php

iamchybs:
I'm sure you are aware those Igbo guys don't mind giving their lives for this.

they love Nnamdi Kanu and if he dies in the cause of this. We'll see if there won't be war.

Love him to give their lives? OK let's see how it goes

iamchybs:
War looming

There's not gonna be any war

As everyone is a suspect so is everyone innocent until proven to be guilty only in the court but would Nigerian police agree with this? Once they feel they can make money out of you, you will hear "you this criminal" the next thing is a hot slap landing on your face

Jonathan39:
Did kanu also preach for one Nigeria before the biafran war? This is why we call Yorubas coward because they can't be on their own. Unity is not by force, But AFONJAS won't understand.

Did you watch the video or you just hated the fact that he was busted?

An2elect2:
You are wilfully being cunning like every other nominal Christian here. Why? because if you were honest you would clarify my post and not further twist the argument.

For eg. If I assert that something is so and I support it with the scriptures. I don't expect you to jump to another scripture that seems to disagree with me but to first and importantly explain that those scriptures are not saying what I'm saying. There you have it! Isn't that the way I replied you? You said Jesus permitted tithing for Christians and I quoted the only passage that seems to suggest that and first clarified that it wasn't saying what you are reading into it before anything else.

If you can't prove Christians are still to tithe or under the law like someone who respects God then I'm done discussing.

Isn't it just validating what I wrote earlier? You claim that since it was said before crucifixion of the Lord then Christians are not expected to partake in it so I gave you another passage that has been there before crucifixion so how do I now become the dishonest one here?

An2elect2:
You can do better right?
Just be honest and look at the bible independent of your interpretation, you will see a lot of sense in it. Why? because i don't believe you find the bible sensible enough if its still subject to your interpretation.

I assume this is where according to you Jesus granted permission to tithe? Matthew 23:23 "Woe to you, teachers of the law and
Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a
tenth of your spices--mint, dill and cumin.
But you have neglected the more
important matters of the law--justice,
mercy and faithfulness. You should have
practiced the latter, without neglecting the
former Notice: This tenth-of proceeds was a lawful thing and not even among the weightier ones. But it was a lawful requirement.

So they had to tithe and keep the law because Jesus was not crucified yet hence the law was still around. In Colossians 2:14 Christ had taken the requirements of the law away, nailing it to his cross.

Believe me the Word of God does not need our feelings or opinions or sentiments. It is sufficient enough and capable to interpret itself.

He was still alive when he made this statement
Mathew 5:33-37
33 “Again you have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not swear falsely, but shall perform to the Lord what you have sworn.’ 34 But I say to you, Do not take an oath at all, either by heaven, for it is the throne of God, 35 or by the earth, for it is his footstool, or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the great King. 36 And do not take an oath by your head, for you cannot make one hair white or black. 37 Let what you say be simply ‘Yes’ or ‘No’; anything more than this comes from evil.

So we should continue to swear now because everything has been nailed to the cross right?

Stop confusing yourself please

RCCG SUNDAY SCHOOL MANUAL
LESSON TWO
SUNDAY, 10TH SEPTEMBER 2017
TOPIC: TRUE CHRISTIAN WORSHIP
MEMORY VERSE:
‘’God is a spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth." - John 4:24
BIBLE PASSAGE: John 4:19-24
INTRODUCTION:
Worship is a state (an attitude) of the spirit. Since it is an internal, individual action, it could/should be done most of the time (or all the time) in our lives, regardless of place or situation (John 4:21). Therefore, Christians worship all the time, seven days a week. When Christians formally gather together in worship, still the emphasis should be on individually worshiping the Lord. The nature of Christian worship is from the inside out and has two equally important parts. We must worship "in spirit and in truth" (John 4:23-24).
LESSON OUTLINES
1. Worshiping in the spirit
2. Worshiping in truth
WORSHIPING IN THE SPIRIT
Worshiping in the spirit has nothing to do with our physical posture. It has to do with our innermost being and requires several things:
1. We must be born again (John 3:3). Without the Holy Spirit residing within us, we cannot respond to God in worship because we do not know Him (1Corinthians 2:11b). The Holy Spirit within us is the one who energizes worship because He is in essence glorifying Himself, and all true worship glorifies God.
2. Worshiping in spirit requires a mind centered on God and renewed by Truth (Romans 12:1-2). Distractions of many kinds can flood our minds as we try to praise and glorify God, hindering our true worship.
3. We can only worship in spirit by having a pure heart, open and repentant. When King David's heart was filled with guilt over his sin with Bathsheba (2Samuel 11), he found it impossible to worship. He felt that God was far from him, and he "groaned all day long" feeling God's hand heavy upon him (Psalm 32:3-4). But when he confessed, fellowship with God was restored and worship and praise poured forth from him (Psalm 51:17). Praise and worship toward God cannot come from hearts filled with unconfessed sin.
WORSHIPING IN TRUTH
The second part of true worship is worshiping "in truth". All worship is a response to truth, and that which is truth is contained in the word of God. Jesus said to His Father, "Thy word is truth" (John 17:17b). Psalm 119 says, "Thy law is truth" (v. 142b) and "Thy word is true" (v. 160a). To truly worship God, we must understand who He is and what He has done, and the only place He has fully revealed Himself is in the Bible. Worship is an expression of praise from the depths of our hearts toward a God who is understood through His word. If we do not have the truth of the Bible, we do not know God and we cannot be truly worshiping.
CONCLUSION:
Worship is an attitude of the heart. A person can go through the outward motions and not be worshiping (Psalm 51:16-17; Matthew 6:5-6). God sees the heart, and He desires and deserves sincere, heartfelt praise and worship.
QUESTIONS
1. What are the basic requirements for true worship in spirit?
2. What does it mean to worship God in truth?

An2elect2:
You are the ignorant one here. Christians are not under the law and therefore are not required to tithe but give as the Spirit leads their hearts. This has been the status quo from the beginning of Christianity which kick started after Christ's death. The onus lies on you pro-tithers to prove otherwise and not bark at everyone that disagrees with you

To give as the spirit lead? So Jesus was wrong to permit tithing right? Keep it up

Wilgrea7:
the verse i quoted did not say “on these two do the old testament law and prophets hang" ... it said “on these two do all the laws and prophet hang".. the new testament is pro-jesus era.. old testament is pre-jesus .. the jews follow the old testament.. even during the time of Christ.. their scripture was the old testament.. so its not a matter of whether its in the old or new testament.. Jesus showed a good example.. did he pay tithe? if you choose to follow the law.. follow it to the last

Your comment has not addressed anything maybe you should explain yourself because I'm lost

Proudgorgeousga:
it's not a prerequisite for salvation. therefore not compulsory.

and Abraham did not give his income he gave spoils of war.

Madam be sure next time before writing anything here, the other time you accused Christian of cherrypiking now you are choosy in this comment so who is cherrypiking? Anyway let me tell you that Christianity is not just about salvation as one off thing there are other things that follow it up. Where will the work of faith be? If being saved is it. You claim Abraham did not give Tithe of his income but spoil of war really? So the spoil of war is outcome right? I'm really sorry for you. Because you just exposed your ignorance

johnydon22:
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Now here is someone who gets the point

Because he has written what you want

Wilgrea7:
during my days as a liberal .. i went with the saying that the law was fulfilled in a new testament law

Matthew 22:36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law? 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 22:38 This is the first and great commandment. 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

but then.. Christians will still want to run to the old testament to support things like tithes and first fruits.. its like trying to eat your cake and have it.. the law was for the jews.. if someone accepts part of the old testament law... he/she should accept all.. and i mean ALL

Tithes is not just an old testament thing, if it were to be done away with Jesus himself would have condemn it, but he did not. Read Mathew 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
What does this imply?

johnydon22:
It is not about falling for this, that particular post affirms the argument i raise: Does the law apply or not?

If the Law does then all of them holds[which ever type they may be, all can be summarised as the law]

if the law has been done away with then they all must have been done away with, thats the point.

Goshen raised an argument different from yours, he nullified the totality of the old testament law, so this is not a trap for you but another example of Christian doctrinal and theological contradiction

Christ is himself the fulfillment of the law. Either the law hold or not is not your headache

Proudgorgeousga:
That's you own personal interpretation of no other gods. that part was talking about worshipping other gods/idols in addition to Yahweh. it has nothing to do with tithing.

Did Jesus condemn Tithing? No, in the first place tithing was not part of the 10 commandments it predates the 10 commandments. If it should be done away with then Jesus would have condemn it.

DanseMacabre:
Inferiority complex speaking.



Where's Daddy Freeze's reaction when you need it



And who is even Dencia, by the way

Freeze' brain is frozen if it were something good he will attack it but let him face the ills he'll run away and hide. Because he knows that this he's attacking won't reply him but those that would play dirty with him he'll avoid them like Ebola

erico2k2:
You can't drive your car in Nigeria if you don't have your car licenced .for one hour . You will B forever bribing police besides it cost less than 30k to do it yearly.
About taxation trust me I know more than most Nigerians cos I live in England .

Disney I hear you say you can't drive your car in Nigeria without license? You must be outside Nigeria hearing news about Nigeria from Lie Mohammed

mfm04622:
Price increase is really caused by inflation and not recession. Your economy can be growing while you have inflation. Different things

Another grammar, tell us using simple terms don't confuse yourself by trying to confuse us.

erico2k2:
This is what happens when you speak about stuff yoy know nothing about . I bet you do t have a car cos if you did you will realize owning 50 cars means paying 50 vehicle licenses ? 50 road worthyness
So the same thing a one car person pays as statutory is what he will pay 50 .
People already pay taxes in different forms with the govt having nothing to show for it.
Permission and urban planning and other development fess for my house cost me over N1m in PHC . Yet the govt ha e nothing to show as regards what they use such money for.
What they are proposing is called Council Tax where I live . The owners of the houses do not pay but tenants . And if your house is empty you do t pay unless inhabited .

Thank you for your time however if people are paying as you claim I'm telling you it would not get to the level of excessive living maybe you don't know the principles of taxation

onuwaje:
I have been to Okarki
D village dat demarcates Bayelsa from Rivers


Their fresh fish pepper soup still rings on my head (2013)

You are right bro, I used to tell my colleagues that that Okarki is politically rivers but geographically Bayelsa. Funny tho but true

obinna58:
The only valued statement u made that is connected to what we are discussing is this
"For anyone to build a machine to check anything or measure anything it means that thing was there before the machine was built."
If you are able to think critically u will understand that this is not to be compared with time cos you can only measure what you see
listing equipments for time checking and telling me how it's being checked which I already knew doesn't connect with what we discussing
I quite agree with you there are things that can't be proven nor disproven, I think the only way you can understand what i'm saying is moving your brain to different level entirely,
It's easy and rightfully to think that time exist.

Oga Obinna wait a minute did I see you write about measuring what you see? Have you seen time before? What does it look like? A male or female? Chubby or skinny? Living or nonliving? Animate or inanimate? Liquid or gas? Please stop this nonsense. The fact that somebody discovered something recently does not imply that things never existed. Electricity has been since creation humanity discovered it lately. Can you tell me the human created radio wave? Guy abeg stop please stop. Haha !

This is whee I always have problems with our government, the prices of goods shoot up they claim it was caused by recession now we heard that no more recession but the prices are still up. Who is deceiving who? They will now come and be speaking some grammar to confuse us. If you can not explain it to a five years old then you too don't understand it. Please our government should try to always tell us the truth about what is going on. Enough of all these Lai Mohammed things

At least this will curb the excesses of some people, how could just one man be having up to 50 cars and be paying nothing on those cars? How could people build houses and not pay tax on them? And the tax collector will be chasing mama Nkenchi the food vendor and Nnamdi the spare part seller, Bashiru the mechanic and Segun the tailor about? As if it the the poor man that offended the government.
Nonsense

We shall see

Eke40seven:
How was it?

It was fun o, Okarki Engenni to be precise. Oniso Buana. Wonderful people there good bit tough
But their names are always funny to me. South south people dey get funny funny names

Goodhead,
Fyneface
I was like which one be fine face?

FreshShavedBalls:
Does this include those that uploaded theirs during registration?

Yes

chigoziem10:
Please I have a question oo and I will appreciate it if someone can help me out. Someone that used both waec and neco during jamb registration, can the person use only neco during this upload? Thank you

Anyone of the two would do

Sarassin:
You do not have to worry about it, you gave it your best shot! Thanks.

I'm not worried about it it's not a competition so don't make it look like one. You got what you asked for even though it was not what you wanted

gabe:
we evolved to take advantage of the favorable conditions. Irreducible complexity has been disproved over and over again. Also, the complexity of life around us is not by CHANCE. its by NATURAL SELECTION, which is as fine a designer as any process.

Natural selection? So what is the nature in your natural selection? And what made the natural selection select human being and leave monkeys to remain primates? Why have we not been able to see any form of life in the process of transformation from either fish to bird or from cat to tiger?

Sarassin:
Obviously I do not know, perhaps you could explain it to me sir?


Yes, I stated that they were my opinions, what gave you the idea I said they carried any authority? did I say so somewhere? we are all simply exchanging views here.

The premise was to provide a standalone verse where Jesus himself actually states that he came to shed his blood for the 'atonement' of the sins of believers. It still stands

But you rejected the one you were given, so what else do you want?

Sarassin:
Lord in heaven..I must be dreaming! where have I stated that my opinions carry any authority?

And what exactly did you 'give me'? Luke 18:31-33 is a descriptive narrative of Jesus predicting his death and resurrection, no more no less.
Matthew 26:28 talks of remission of sins, it is not the same as 'atonement'
John 12:7 is utterly indeterminate.

Talk of shifting goalposts, you're not even on the field!

Indeterminable you say fur what reason was he speaking of?

Did you not mention your opinion in the earlier post? Check the bolded

Sarassin:
I think that none of the above verses directly promulgates the principle of atonement per se.

Atonement as a theological doctrine/dogma is one of many theological doctrines that can be inferred from scripture just as one can infer the trinity for instance but it is not in my view directly alluded to by Jesus nor is it even strongly propounded in the synoptic gospels, we do not for instance see any foreshadowing of a sacrificial event such as a crucifixion in direct relation to the doctrine of atonement of sins alluded to by the synoptic gospel writers either during the lifetime of Jesus or even after his death.

This should tell us that the doctrine of atonement is retrospective in nature.

As I mentioned in earlier posts, this doctrine was a position proposed by Paul based on what he said was given to him by the risen Christ through a vision.

Paul indicates that (according to him) God accepts the atonement (payment) by raising Jesus from the dead (Rom 3:23-24; 4:24-25)
Paul further expatiates on his doctrine when he begins to speak of Jews and gentiles alike being bought e.g, in 1 Cor 7:23, and also more generally in (1Cor 6:20), but it is clear that the crux of his doctrine was that believers were being bought and freed from the shackles of the law(according to Paul).

Clearly there's a divergence between what the apocalyptic wisdom teacher Jesus taught and what Paul propagates.
Paul states that he is proclaiming Jesus, but he is in fact proclaiming his vision of Jesus and his gospel....[/b]..in my opinion.
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Op sef, laying lifeless after being killed? No ẹ for lay full of life after being killed.
Wetin we no go see for nairaland?