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Servant: One who serves another in learning

John 13:16 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord; neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him.


Disciple: Learner


John 8:31 Then said Jesus to those which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed

John 13:35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another


John 15:8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.


Friend: Can know all things


John 15:14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you


John 15:15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you


John 8:34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin


John 12:26 If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will my Father honour


John 8:35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever


1 John 3:1-3 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the Sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. Beloved, now are we the Sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.


John 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because they say, "I am the Son of God" ?


John 15:20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.

HallaluYAH

Let's hear what Yahshua says about sin:

Joh 16:9
Of sin, because they believe not on me

Pretty simple if you believe it. Sin is NOT believing in Him and obeying what He says.

The rest that the flesh calls "sin" is just the symptoms of not believing in Yahshua and what He says from His Father, God.

Yes, "symptoms" come in different degrees but remember they are NOT sins but symptoms!!

But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

You may want to notice that Peter says there were false prophets as there will be false teachers...

Peter is letting you know that "prophets" are past and "teachers" are now.  But the only True Teacher is the Comforter, His Holy Spirit.

Joh 14:26
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, He shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Ac 15:7
And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.

"Who" is "teaching" you

Ajisafe,

You will be unable to prove to those who believe the Bible is the Word of God that it is otherwise.

Yes, there are "stones for stumbling" in the Bible that those who read in the flesh will think to be untruth but in the Spirit and with the Teaching of the Holy Spirit the Bible is very clear and all Truth.

Ps 91:9-16
Because thou hast made the LORD, which is my refuge, even the most High, thy habitation;
There shall no evil befall thee, neither shall any plague come nigh thy dwelling.
For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways.
They shall bear thee up in their hands, lest thou dash thy foot against a stone.
Thou shalt tread upon the lion and adder: the young lion and the dragon shalt thou trample under feet.
Because he hath set his love upon me, therefore will I deliver him: I will set him on high, because he hath known my name.
He shall call upon me, and I will answer him: I will be with him in trouble; I will deliver him, and honour him.
With long life will I satisfy him, and shew him my salvation.

De 13:3-4
Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him.

Mt 7:22
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

Mt 7:23
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Mt 7:24
Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock

Hnd-holder.

The quote you used from me:

Yes! Yes! Yes! Pay those tithes

I hope you and others know that it was said in sarcasm and added to this:

And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after... for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household.

I do not believe in the tithing the church now teaches

RhodaRose

satan "ruled the earth" here but he still had to have permission from God

Job 1:6
Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
Job 1:7
And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
Job 1:8
And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?
Job 1:9
Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought?
Job 1:10
Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he hath on every side? thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his substance is increased in the land.
Job 1:11
But put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face.
Job 1:12
And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD.

Donnie said everything right

In the Kingdom of God everyday, TODAY, is Sabbath.

Everyday is God's Holy Day

The OT is but a shadow of what the NT brings.

Those outside the Kingdom of God pick their own day to worship the Creator.

Jg 21:25
In those days there was no king ... every man did that which was right in his own eyes.

RhodaRose

nferyn,

I don't really understand what you mean by spirit. This has no real meaning for me.

We have a body (vessel) of flesh to "carry" our soul, which is our mind and 5 senses and also our spirit which is the breath of life. All of these are of the "flesh" and of the earth.

Our spirit is the "life" that makes it possible to use our "soul" of the mind and the 5 senses.

If we "die" to our flesh, this spirit of flesh, and receive the Spirit of Life and Truth then our mind and 5 senses are run by a higher power. A Power that will teach you that there is more to this life than just death of the flesh. The total of that flesh is body, soul and spirit but with the Holy Spirit entering and "reigning" in your flesh, this Spirit is unable to die because it is Life and continues on long after your flesh has returned to the dust it was taken from.

This is why Jesus said:

Joh 11:25
Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

Joh 11:26
And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

"though he WERE dead", God sees us as dead without the Spirit of Life.
Believing brings the Spirit of Life and "yet shall he Live"

"whosoever Liveth" and continues to Believe will never die (God counts this "dying to the flesh" to receive the Spirit of Life as the only "death" you need to go through and THIS gives you the Victory over the death that satan offers you, which is only the death of the spirit of life in the flesh, which you no longer are, but you are alive in Spirit which no one can take from you.

Again, this is very confusing. How do you know that relationship is real?

The same way you know any relationship is real. You spend time together and communicate with each other. Without the other person it would feel like a part of you was missing...

If God truly exist and if God is truly good, then your actions will determine what becomes of you, not your mind, over which you have no control.

Your mind controls your actions and sure you have control of your mind, through your spirit.
If your flesh spirit is in control your mind will hear "flesh" things and be controlled by that but if the Holy Spirit is control of your mind you will hear the Spirit of Truth guiding your actions.

"...and this is bad?...having comfort in this uncomforting world?"

No, it isn't bad, absolutely not. It's just not for me.

Comfort in this world is "not for you" ?

Then by all means do not give up your "critical thinking, logic and cognitive abilities" which apparently bring you comfort and a clear conscience.

RhodaRose

layi,

You have the wrong idea of what the word "christian" means. This is a man-made word and not a God given name for His Church.

can a non christian go to heaven?

Yes

Can a non christian who does not believe in christ go to heaven?

No

RhodaRose

Isa 61:1-19
The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;
To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD...

...and (To proclaim ) the day of vengeance of our God

...to comfort all that mourn;
To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the LORD, that He might be glorified.

And they shall build the old wastes, they shall raise up the former desolations, and they shall repair the waste cities, the desolations of many generations.

And strangers shall stand and feed your flocks, and the sons of the alien shall be your plowmen and your vinedressers.

But ye shall be named the Priests of the LORD: men shall call you the Ministers of our God: ye shall eat the riches of the Gentiles, and in their glory shall ye boast yourselves.
For your shame ye shall have double; and for confusion they shall rejoice in their portion: therefore in their land they shall possess the double: everlasting joy shall be unto them.

For I the LORD love judgment, I hate robbery for burnt offering; and I will direct their work in truth, and I will make an everlasting covenant with them.
And their seed shall be known among the Gentiles, and their offspring among the people: all that see them shall acknowledge them, that they are the seed which the LORD hath blessed.

Ge 6:3
And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

God numbers His years in Jubile years and the number of Jubile is 50

Le 25:8-13
And thou shalt number seven sabbaths of years unto thee, seven times seven years; and the space of the seven sabbaths of years shall be unto thee forty and nine years.
Then shalt thou cause the trumpet of the jubile to sound on the tenth day of the seventh month, in the day of atonement shall ye make the trumpet sound throughout all your land.
And ye shall hallow the fiftieth year, and proclaim liberty throughout all the land unto all the inhabitants thereof: it shall be a jubile unto you; and ye shall return every man unto his possession, and ye shall return every man unto his family.
A jubile shall that fiftieth year be unto you: ye shall not sow, neither reap that which groweth of itself in it, nor gather the grapes in it of thy vine undressed.
For it is the jubile; it shall be holy unto you: ye shall eat the increase thereof out of the field.
In the year of this jubile ye shall return every man unto his possession.

Lu 4:18-20
The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
And he closed the book...

120 years of man times the Jubile is: 120 X 50 = 6000 years

"And he closed the book..."

John 6:39-40
And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

RhodaRose

So you see that the last "day" that is spoken of is actually the last thousand years of a 7 "day" cycle?  or the "day" of rest, or Sabbath, for His Children?


Revelation 20:1-7
And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

And when[b] the thousand years [/b] are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison


You see that this is the last Day that Jesus talks of, not a 24 hour period?

RhodaRose

ProfBills.

You asked:

the question is can a non christian go to heaven?

but the first time you asked:

Can a non christian who does not believe in christ go to heaven?

Two different questions with two different answers...

Please clarify

RhodaRose

nferyn,

I would not want to associate with anything intolerant. I tolerate all behavior, as long as it is not harmful to anyone else.

Our Creator is Holy. In order to enter His presence we must be Holy.
Any behavior effects someone, even if it is only the person presenting the behavior.

And I still do not understand how I have shown any hate toward God. You contradict yourself ...

Yes, it seems I did...but you say:

When I meditate in a natural surrounding (e.g. on a mountain) , I can reach a state of absolute peace and tranquility that is immensely fulfilling. I become one with my surroundings and feel the divine (that's why I do have a pantheistic religious feeling, although it does not include an entity external from the natural world, it is the natural world)

The Creator made this for you to enjoy and find peace and tranquility in. When you "feel the divine" this is His Love you feel and whether you know it or not this does "include an entity external from the natural world". If it didn't then you could meditate and find peace and tranquility on the streets of a busy, bustling city.
This is not a "religious" feeling but one of Relationship with your Creator who Loves you.

I believe, if there were a supreme being, it would be impossible to picture or understand for us with our limited cognitive capabilities

Yes, you believe correctly. God is Spirit and it would be hard to "picture" Him but you can understand Him because He sent His Holy Spirit to Teach us of Him.

You are unfortunately engaging in self serving projection. How can we, with our limited abilities even think that the spirit (as a manifestation of the divine) is real. there is no way for us to know, except by relying on our own limited abilities

God does not limit our abilities when it comes to knowing Him.
A[/b]sk [b] S[/b]eek [b]K[/b]nock and He will open to you.
He wants Relationship and not "religion"

Isn't that realization wonderful enough in itself? Where's the need for an external force?

If "this world is a proving ground" Who do you think is "proving" us? and for what?
...our Creator!!

De 13:3
Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: [b]for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
De 13:4
Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him.

That's exactly my problem. Following God as revealed in the Bible would mean that I have to suspend my critical thinking, logic and cognitive abilities. I cannot in good conscience do that.

Yes Exactly !!! "I have to suspend my critical thinking, logic and cognitive abilities"
"I cannot in good conscience do that" Yes, you can because that "good conscience" is of the "world and flesh"...and you mention "our free will" that God gave us...He gave us this for only one purpose...to choose that His Will be done in our lives. There are really only two choices: Life or death, Choose LIFE!!!

I was talking about the psychological comfort the belief in a supreme being can offer. People ultimately need focus and purpose to get on with life. The fact the there ultimately is no such thing in the universe is discomforting and troubling to many. For these people, belief can help them keep sane.

...and this is bad?...having comfort in this uncomforting world?
"The fact the there ultimately is no such thing in the universe is discomforting and troubling to many"

Then they should read this:

Mt 11:28-30
Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

Joh 8:36
If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed

Joh 14:27
Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.

God is Good, All the Time

RhodaRose

I started something in another thread which I was unable to finish there because it needs a thread of its own.

Ec 1:9
The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
Ec 1:10
Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us.
Ec 1:11
There is no remembrance of former things; neither shall there be any remembrance of things that are to come with those that shall come after.


God created Heaven and earth in 7 "days".
6 "days" He worked and on the 7th He rested.

Peter reminds us:
2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Jesus speaks often of the last "day":

John 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the[b] last day[/b].

John 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 7:37 In the[b] last day, that great day of the feast[/b], Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.

John 11:24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.
Joh 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
Joh 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

John 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the[b] last day[/b].

The last "day" is the 7th "day of rest.
The 7th thousand year
The milliniem, or thousand years of rest.

Digest this and I will add more

RhodaRose

nferyn,

You wrote to GoodGuy:

...the story about the ark is blatantly false in all it's aspects, unless of course God decided to use the mechanism of evolution on steroids to come to our current biodiversity on earth (and then trick us into believing that the genetical clock points at millions of years of evolution instead of a few hundred years).

I hate to comment on this because I am not sure what you are saying...
but...Know this:
Ec 1:9
The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
Ec 1:10
Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us.
Ec 1:11
There is no remembrance of former things; neither shall there be any remembrance of things that are to come with those that shall come after.

He would also have had to temporarily suspend about any law of nature in existence to make the engineering of the ark (out of wood - there are not enough trees on earth to make that possible - and it could still not be structurally sound, actually no material is in existence to make such an ark possible) and the climatological conditions (more water available on earth that all of a sudden just disappeared after the flood) of the great flood at all possible.

Mt 19:26
...With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

I am going to try to explain this in "short-form" but if you do not know the Bible very well I will lose you by not taking time to do this in "long-form"  Try to stay with me:

Ge 1:6
And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

Ge 1:7
And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament and it was so.

Ge 1:8
And God called the[b] firmament Heaven[/b].

Firmament, Heaven, divided the waters, above, from the waters, below...

Ge 1:9
And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
Ge 1:10
And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas

Earth, dry land, was more land mass than we know today and the seas were much less than we know today.

Ge 2:5
...the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth...
Ge 2:6
But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.

Ge 7:4
For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.
Ge 7:10
And it came to pass after seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the earth.
Ge 7:12
And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights.
Ge 7:19
And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.
Ge 7:20
Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered
Ge 7:24
And the waters prevailed upon the earth an hundred and fifty days.

This was the waters above the firmament being released by God upon an unbelieving earth.

Ge 8:1
And God remembered Noah, and every living thing, and all the cattle that was with him in the ark: and God made a wind to pass over the earth, and the waters asswaged;
Ge 8:2
The fountains also of the deep and the windows of heaven were stopped, and the rain from heaven was restrained;
Ge 8:3
And the waters returned from off the earth continually: and after the end of the hundred and fifty days the waters were abated.

The waters returned "off the earth" by the wind moving them and formed the large masses of water we have today, leaving a lot less land.

There is so much more to this than I am able to write but I suggest you study your Bible and get the full story.  You will enjoy it 

RhodaRose

nferyn,

Apparently you have no problem being a bigot or am I misreading you?

Bigot is associated with "by God" and "intolerance" which is a characteristic of God so I would be in good company...

Please indicate to me where I have shown any hate? Why do you have to respond to my perceived hate with real hate yourself?

I mostly responded with Scripture and I am sorry if it sounded hateful to you, it was not my intention. Please accept my sincere apology.
You have shown no hate toward me but toward my Creator and Father. I try always to honor my Father and defend His good Name, which I can't apologize for...

I do not hate God, just as I do not hate the tooth fairy. Both are imaginary creatures from my point of view and even mentioning the word hate is ridiculous, hate is nowhere to be found in my mind.

My God is not imaginary in my mind but very real.
Yes, you are correct that you can not hate something you think is imaginary.

You wrote to wendytilda:

The Bible is written to give the feeble minds of humans an understanding of the divine ...

Yes! Exactly!!

...and is written, rewritten, translated, ... in human language, it cannot possibly be the word of God.

Why couldn't it be the Word of God just because it is rewritten and translated in "human" language?

It would be arrogance to the highest degree to even assume that our minds can understand the divine.

No, our minds of flesh can not understand the divine, that is why the Holy Spirit of Truth was sent, as out Teacher of the Divine Truth of our Creator.

The divine is in the mere existence, in the relationships we have with each other and with this planet.

You have low expectations if you think this is "all there is" and there "ain't no more"...

This is just the "proving ground", this "planet", and the mere existence here is but a grain of salt in all the oceans of this earth compared to eternity.
The most important relationship we can have while on this earth is with our Father, the one and Only Creator of All.

You as GoodGuy:

...my burden of evidence is simple and clear. Give me evidence that can withstand scientific scrutiny and I will believe.

Jesus said:

Joh 20:29
... because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

I have seen many miracles and many I have not seen but I am Blessed knowing they happen without my seeing them... HalleluYAH

Anyway, I am not telling anyone they should not believe. It obviously gives you people a lot of comfort and as long as you do not want to impose your belief on others, all is well.

How can we discuss without imposing our belief on others?
and what is wrong with imposing our comfort on others?
This is love to comfort others...

I am happy for you that you can believe, because that belief has got a lot of explanatory power for things that have no natural explanation.

Yes, believing does have a lot of explanatory power to explain things that have no natural explaination...so why do you expect us to explain and prove to you things that have no natural explanation? You won't believe until we prove it to you but there is no way to prove it to you because it defies natural explanations, therefore "Only Believe"

RhodaRose

Layi,

That was David talking not GOD

That was God talking, by the Holy Spirit, through David....

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nferyn,

Your debating style is not conductive of intelligent discourse. It's a lot of assertions, backed up by no real evidence, wrapped in insults and refusing any questioning of it's basic premises. It is the debating style of an ignorant biggot.

American Heritage Dictionary:

Bigots may have more in common with God than one might think. Legend has it that Rollo, the first duke of Normandy, refused to kiss the foot of the French king Charles III, uttering the phrase "bi got", his borrowing of the assumed Old English equivalent of our expression "by God"

Isaiah 55:8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.

Isaiah 55:9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

Joh 17:14
I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.

I have no illusions of the venom you would throw at me if we were to meet

Joh 15:18
If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.
Joh 15:19
If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

Joh 15:24
If I had not done among them the works which none other man did, they had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated both me and my Father.
Joh 15:25
But this cometh to pass, that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause.

Mr 13:13
And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Fight the "sword" with the Sword, it is the only winning combination...

It does not "tickle the ears" because it is the Truth for all men...

RhodaRose

kismat,

i don't have to have a holy ghost/spirit for me to know that ... working for too many hours and chasing the quick buck means a healthier life

You are kidding, yes?

Who does as you say and not have high blood pressure, ulcers, gall stones, hernias, strokes, heart attacks to name a few....

...doesn't sound like a healthier life to me...

You must go by the premise "Who ever dies with the most "toys" wins....!?

Sad way to think.... "Stinkin' Thinkin' "

RhodaRose

Gods' definition of "fool"

Ps 14:1
The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.

They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

God even said it twice so you would hear:

Ps 53:1
The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.

Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good

Ps 92:5-6
O LORD, how great are thy works! and thy thoughts are very deep.

A brutish man knoweth not; neither doth a fool understand this.

Need I say more...

RhodaRose

kismat,

Jesus said the Kingdom of God has arrived for the past 2000 years

Mr 1:15
And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

Repent and believe the gospel to enter the Kingdom of God

Your King awaits...

Our King is Spirit and George Bush is most certainly "flesh"

RhodaRose

kismat,

This King has been coming for the past 2000+years.

Yes, He has

Mt 6:33
But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness and all these things shall be added unto you.

Those who enter His Kingdom Have a King

Jg 21:25
In those days there was no king ... every man did that which was right in his own eyes.

...Except for those in the Kingdom who have a King....

****************************

GentleOne

AMEN

and may I?....

"join me in a moment of prayer for America,

Father in heaven, I bless Your holy name for who You are, I know that You are with us always and I come before you with a heart of thanksgiving this morning,accept our thanks in Jesus name. Father, I lift up my country America before You this morning and I say Lord, have mercy. have mercy upon us as a nation,as a people and as individuals. Heal our land oh Lord of every form of wickedness and filth and turn our hearts back to You again. Deliver us Oh Lord from every form of affliction, e dawo ibinu yin duro baba!(put a stop to Your wrath oh Lord). turn again our captivity oh Lord and cause us to rejoice again in Your presence. Thank You Lord for in Jesus name I have prayed."

AMEN

Blessings
RhodaRose

christmas is a man-made holiday, as is easter.

You may think you are celebrating the "birth of Jesus" but you are not, Jesus was not born in the flesh in the winter.

If Jesus wanted you to celebrate His birth in the flesh He would have been sure to tell you the date of this celebration.

The Creator Father nor Jesus cared a twit about the birth of any "flesh" but the Birth of the Spirit in which you are born again to the Creator.  The "flesh" is useless to Him otherwise.

Joh 6:63
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Jesus was "born" at His baptism when the Holy Spirit came to Him and that sure wasn't in the winter or He would have had enough sense to not get into the freezing Jordon River  

RhodaRose

babagana,

Nigerians mention God in everything they do but do the complete opposite of what any God fearing/loving person will do.

Example: recent elections were clearly believed to be heavily rigged but very few Nigerians will even accept this simple truth.
Example: a Governor in this country was arrested with funds before the recent one only to be suspended for a short while and later re-instated. The recent Bayelsa event is beyond comment.

Do we really think we can eat our cake and have it or do Nigerians generally think they can cheat God?

Americans mention God in everything they do but do the complete opposite of what any God fearing/loving person will do.

Example: recent elections were clearly believed to be heavily rigged but very few Americans will even accept this simple truth.
Example: a Governor in this country was arrested with funds before the recent one only to be suspended for a short while and later re-instated. The recent (New York, New Orleans, and many more) event is beyond comment.

Do we really think we can eat our cake and have it or do Americans generally think they can cheat God?

Welcome to the real world...

Be[b] in [/b] the world but not[b] of [/b] the world....Seek the Kingdom of God

RhodaRose

GoodGuy, (and kismat)

You still haven't answered my question.

I did answer your question...it is left to the Holy Spirit to Teach you...we have not been able to get through to you in the flesh so you must be spoken to in the Spirit.

The Holy Spirit is the only One who can get through to a hard-heart with the Words of Love from the Father.

We try to prepare the "ground" for "planting" of the "seed" of His Word but sometimes it is left up to the Spirit of Truth to do the Work.

It is the Father who draws you to Him and it is through the Holy Spirit Teaching you the Truth of His Word.

Blessings,
RhodaRose

kismat,

Just read the bible and let God guide you during your day to day activities. Try making a living by reading the bible.

Mt 6:33
But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

I have "worked" less and lived better ever since I have trusted the Creator to take care of me by claiming His promise to us.

Of course I do not "live" by world standards but Kingdom standards.

In the world but not of the world.

The world sees me as "poor" but in the Kingdom I am Rich

RhodaRose

Donnie,

Joh 6:44
No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him and I will raise him up at the last day.

Joh 6:45
It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.

I said:

The Holy Spirit doesn’t need money. God can get his will done without money

Donnie Said:

You do not sound like someone who is involved in this God's number one passion of saving the world ...

We can never "save the world" no matter how much money we have or spend in doing so...

Saving is left for the Creator to draw and Jesus to be their Savior...

I speak the Word to those around me and it doesn't cost a penny...

We need to give Bibles and that is the extent of our "getting the Gospel out" It is up to the person to read and the Holy Spirit will touch their hearts with the Truth and the Creator will draw them to Him and show them Jesus, their Way to the Father.

Sometimes, less said is better then more said...let the Creator do His work in their hearts

RhodaRose

GoodGuy,

I totally disagree with you here. Who were the ones that were writing on their own?

That is why the Comforter was sent to teach us the Truth of His Word.

Without the Teaching of the Holy Spirit you will never learn the Truth of the Bible.

RhodaRose

Opps, double post....maybe it is worth repeating

Kismat,

Does this mean these inaccuracies are attributed to God? Because thats what you christians believe, these books were written by "inspired" people. God talked to them.

Now I showed you what Peter said:

Pe 2:1
But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you...

Yes, the Creator talked to some men but others were just men writing on their own. Do not think the enter Bible was "inspired" except for testing....

De 13:3
Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.

That is why the Comforter was sent to teach us the Truth of His Word.

Without the Teaching of the Holy Spirit you will never learn the Truth of the Bible.

In the OT the Holy Spirit came and went from men but starting with Jesus the Holy Spirit came and abode with Jesus and will abide with us forever, never leaving us and always teaching us the ways of the Creator.

RhodaRose

All this bickering and it is apparent you are not in Heaven on earth....

What I know is that Heaven is real and hell is also real, one has to decide where he/she ought to spent eternity...

Heaven is being in the presence of the Creator and hell is not being in His presence.

So you can also be in hell on earth

Ge 3:22
And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever

Ge 3:23
Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.

Ge 3:24
So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life

The Creator says you must eat from the Tree of Life to life forever.  Those who don't return to the dust with which they were made.  To spend eternity out of His presence...dead for eternity, since the Creator is present everywhere in Spirit, there is no where you could go to be out of His presence except non-existence.

RhodaRose