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oyewoleabiola21: I met this lady 3yrs ago,in a bus why going to work.she look so innocent and beatiful on getting to know she told me a lot of personal things about her and her familly..makin me to bliv she was unexposed,as she continue wit the relationship I discover that she only like to _ me when she feel she is in need of money and once I give it to her she will turn her back and live.she called me about a week ago asking Me to change here curve2 to Touch which I did,just yesterday she told me she is tired of using Touch that I should get her Bold5..I tried to talk som sense into her but she wouldn't listen she told Me I should not call/ping her if I haven't buy the Bold..pls what should I do ? Should I get her d Boldtouch or what ? The most painful aspect of it is that ever since we've bin datin we never had sex..can I jst let her go like that?

choi..... U didn't tell us whether this happened for real or in a dream.

CashVessel: Pls buy her Porsche and Z10 so she doesn't ask again.My friend ask urself if dat's love? Does she love u, or maybe u don't know wat love is? Well read 1Cor. 13:1-13 and dont subject urself to reproach.

oyewoleabiola21: I met this lady 3yrs ago,in a bus why going to work.she look so innocent and beatiful on getting to know she told me a lot of personal things about her and her familly..makin me to bliv she was unexposed,as she continue wit the relationship I discover that she only like to _ me when she feel she is in need of money and once I give it to her she will turn her back and live.she called me about a week ago asking Me to change here curve2 to Touch which I did,just yesterday she told me she is tired of using Touch that I should get her Bold5..I tried to talk som sense into her but she wouldn't listen she told Me I should not call/ping her if I haven't buy the Bold..pls what should I do ? Should I get her d Boldtouch or what ? The most painful aspect of it is that ever since we've bin datin we never had sex..can I jst let her go like that?

choi..... U didn't tell us whether this happened for real or in a dream.

oyewoleabiola21: I met this lady 3yrs ago,in a bus why going to work.she look so innocent and beatiful on getting to know she told me a lot of personal things about her and her familly..makin me to bliv she was unexposed,as she continue wit the relationship I discover that she only like to _ me when she feel she is in need of money and once I give it to her she will turn her back and live.she called me about a week ago asking Me to change here curve2 to Touch which I did,just yesterday she told me she is tired of using Touch that I should get her Bold5..I tried to talk som sense into her but she wouldn't listen she told Me I should not call/ping her if I haven't buy the Bold..pls what should I do ? Should I get her d Boldtouch or what ? The most painful aspect of it is that ever since we've bin datin we never had sex..can I jst let her go like that?

choi..... U didn't tell us whether this happened for real or in a dream.

manmustwac: use the report to moderator link next time you'll get my attention a lot quicker that way

Yea ryt. Thank you for pointing it out. Didn't notice.

manmustwac: Is this what you found insultive? Anyway I have hidden it now.

Not that. Dat shdnt strike me as an offence cos itz actually hard 2trust anyone. My protest was the picture and I believe you saw it. Thanks again.

Good evening moderators. I created a post with the title: 'Palm Sunday'
www.nairaland.com/1234897/palm-sunday/1#1234897.32
and the thread is being derailed by Ifetex(m). Not just that is being derailed, but being derailed in a most insultive manner. Trying to give Pope John Paul II a bad image. I'm not speaking on bias because I'm a Catholic or because he was the Pope before. But if Ifetex had any sense he will know that the man is dead and that he should be careful of what what he does or says about dead pple. Please that post is offensive and I want it off my thread as soon as possible. Thank you..

Good evening moderators. I created a post with the title: 'Palm Sunday'
www.nairaland.com/1234897/palm-sunday/1#1234897.32
and the thread is being derailed by Ifetex(m). Not just that is being derailed, but being derailed in a most insultive manner. Trying to give Pope John Paul II a bad image. I'm not speaking on bias because I'm a Catholic or because he was the Pope before. But if Ifetex had any sense he will know that the man is dead and that he should be careful of what what he does or says about dead pple. Please that post is offensive and I want it off my thread as soon as possible. Thank you.

I guess you all know this story. "DANIEL IN THE DEN OF LIONS". But as for those who do not know, read Daniel chapter 6. Daniel was a young man who LOVED, OBEYED and FEARED God in ALL his ways. And because of his lifestyle, sm pple set him up by makin d king to issue a decree dat for d nxt 30dayz nobodyshd worship and god or anything xcpt him (the king) knowing fully well dt Daniel will ntpartake in dat.
So, you can see. Daniel was thrown into the DEN of LIONS. Why? Because of his BELIEF and STEADFASTNESS in Yaweh. Is it that God had 4gotten dat Daniel loved him so much? NO!
Dear reader, God allows us to go through trials SOMETIMES in order to reveal his glory to us once more. I said 'SOMETIMES' because dere are MANY TRIALS which Yaweh averts from us. So many which we don't even knowof.
Now the truth of the matter is that there is NO TROUBLE you are experiencing right now, that has not been experienced by someone in the past, and that will not be experienced by someone in the time to come. St. Paul admonishes us in 1st Corinthians 10:13 saying: "No trial has come to you except the one which is COMMON TO MAN. God is FAITHFUL, and He'll NEVER allow you to be tempted BEYOND WHAT YOU CAN BEAR. And even in the temptation, He'll provide A WAY OUT so that you can bear it". Remember that trials are BOUND to come you way by virtue of your Christian faith. It is a MUST. Without TRIALS, there will be no TESTIMONIES. Matthew chp 5:11-12 says: "Blessed are you when they revile & persecute you and say all kinds of evil against you falsely FOR MY SAKE. Rejoice & b glad 4great is ur reward in heaven. For de also persecuted d prophets who were before you". In John 15:20, Jesus' message was clear. "They persecuted me, so they will persecute you also". (Can you see dat persecution and trial is part of christianity?).
Most times, we tend to have the feeling that God has abandoned us especially in times of trial. Is this true? NO! Daniel testified in verse 22 of chapter 6 thus: "My God sent his angel and SHUT the mouth of the lions so dat I wasnot hurt by them".
You remember Shedrach, Meshach and Abednego? An angel was with them wen de threw them into d fiery furnace. (Read Danielchapter 3). Dear Reader, God has NEVER Left you for a minute. He is seeing what you're going through, because Hebrews 4:13 makes us understand that God sees EVERYTHING. He knows what you're passing through. Remember, a teacher/ lecturer is ALWAYS quiet during a test/ examination. God has notleft us for a moment despite our sinfulness. Matthew 28:20-"I am with you, even till the END OF TIME". This is a message of reassurance of God's presence by you.
Now back to the Daniel's story. When you read further......yo u'll discover what happened to the people who set him up in verse 24. "And the King gave d command, and de brot out d men who had accused Daniel, and de cast dem into d den of lions...and the lions OVERPOWERED them and BROKE ALL THEIR BONES INTO PIECES BEFORE THEY EVEN REACHED THE BOTTOM OF THE PIT. Wow. Powerful. Watchout. All those who have accused you falsely, they'll receive a fatelike the accusers of Daniel. AMEN! Proverbs 26:27 says: "He who digs a pit 4u shall FALL INTO IT, and he who rolls a stone will have it back on him". In the name of JESUS! AMEN.
Just be strong, Beloved. God is with you and has not left you. Remember, there will be NO TESTIMONIES without TRIALS and there will beNO VICTORY without a BATTLE.

God bless you.

Ifetex: A BETTER WAY TO CELEBRATE IT

Photoshop. A clear look will tell that that bottle is NEAR his hand and NOT IN his hand. I know how to work on Adobe and Corel draw man. Go and find something to eat instead of looking for honw 2tarnish d image of d Catholic Church. What you just did is an evidence of hunger. Itz obvious ur hungry.

ELgordo: And I beheld another beast
coming up out of the earth; and he
had two horns like a lamb, and he
spake as a dragon. And he
exerciseth all the power of the first
beast before him, and causeth the
earth and them which dwell
therein to worship the first beast,
whose deadly wound was
healed” (Revelation 13:11-12).
Looking around the political and
religious world in which we live, it
would seem that prophecy is
starting to speed up into overdrive.
Much speculation has been made
of signs and seasons that beckon
the possible soon return of our
Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. No
other prophecy is more central in
symbolism than the prophecy
concerning the False Prophet to
come that will support the “deity”
of the Antichrist.
Since I was a small child I have
heard of one religious institution
the Antichrist and/or the False
Prophet would come from. Not
withstanding that there a lot of
people that make this
denomination the home of their
worship, I do not intend to
denigrate their belief system, as
there are many good people who
follow this denomination and only
wish to follow God to the best of
their ability. But here are the facts.
What denomination am I speaking
of? You know, already. It is the
Roman Catholic Church who has
held sway over political and
religious power for nearly 1400
years, and only in recent history
has its power waned from it’s
“glory” days of full and complete
power over all of mankind,
including kings, princes, and every
economy on the face of the earth. I
have written many articles
concerning this “church” as they
believe to have been founded by
the apostle Peter, as the first pope.
I am reading and have yet to fully
finish the book by Tom Horn and
Cris Putman titled, Petrus
Romanus - The Final Pope Is Here.
I must encourage everyone who is
looking for the signs and seasons
of our Lord’s return to secure this
book. In it you will find the sullen
history of the popes and anti-
popes that were nothing short of
demon possessed and filled with
the lust of the flesh and desires of
earthly pleasure/power. Their
antics and affairs would make any
Christian’s hair stand on end. It’s
not an indictment per se, but its
history of the debauchery, the
blood letting -- the “church” falling
away from being the church that
Jesus spoke of in Matthew16.
“And I say also unto thee, that thou
art Peter, and upon this rock I will
build my church; and the gates of
hell shall not prevail against
it” (Matthew 16:18).
The church delivered to the
apostles started out on the right
foot but during the next few
hundred years that church ran
aground and instead of the church
of God, it became the church of
men seeking power. Of course as
any true Christian believer can
determine for his or her self by
doing a study of the “Rock” that
Jesus spoke of, He was speaking of
Himself, not Peter. Peter would go
onto to deny Him three times and
be asked also, three times if he
truly loved the Lord. But the
Roman Catholic Church holds to
the premise that Peter was the
first pope. Of course that is not the
focus of this message, as you can
find all the sordid details that I
learned in Bible College at an early
age in their book. This book only
re-enforced my recollection of
what I already knew. The Roman
Catholic Church has always been
about power, and very little about
the gospel to hold men in their
grips.
Saint Malachy’s Prophecy
A lot has been said, pondered, and
much titillation of the senses about
the coming of this “last pope” in a
vision by this 12th century Irish
Catholic priest by the name of St.
Malachy. You can read all you want
in any encyclopedia or even online
at Wikipedia to get the history of
the Catholic priest that has many
saying that his predictions were a
forgery by those who used his
name to promote, Cardinal
Girolamo Simoncelli’s bid for the
papacy in the second conclave of
1590, and that it was divinely
ordained. I am a little bewildered
how some of his late predictions of
modern history popes have a
smack of fulfilled prophecy. But I
am cautious to believe a long dead
priest, noting the forgeries and
shenanigans of the Roman Catholic
elite to further their nefarious
claim to power. But it is an
interesting tidbit of spice to add to
the smorgasbord of intrigue
related to the Roman Catholic
Church. But one thing I do note, if
there is a power struggle and
power to be had then you can bet
your bippy that the Roman Catholic
Church is involved. My friend,
count on it. It is their M.O. and
their sordid history.

Have you eaten something today?

Segeggs: and long live ur foolishness

can't u c dt ur not mature?

PALM SUNDAY.

This is the Sunday that begins the 'HOLY WEEK' of the Church. The feast marks Jesus' triumphant entry into Jerusalem. Palm Sunday is usually marked by the use of palm fronds(sometimes tied to the shape of a cross) together with 'Hosanna in the highest' chants by the congregation while the do a PUBLIC procession on the streets in a similar manner like 'Christ the King'.

BIBLICAL BASIS:
The symbolism is captured in Zechariah 9:9 "The Coming of Zion's King – See, your king
comes to you, righteous and victorious, lowly
and riding on a donkey, on a colt, the foal of a
donkey".
According to the Gospels, Jesus rode a
donkey into Jerusalem, and the celebrating
people there lay down their cloaks in front of
him, and also lay down small branches of
trees. The people sang part of Psalm 118: 25– 26 – ... Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord. We bless you from the house of the Lord ...
The symbolism of the donkey may refer to the
Eastern tradition that it is an animal of peace,
unlike the horse, which is the animal of war.
A king came riding upon a horse when he was bent on war and rode upon a donkey
when he wanted to point out he was coming
in peace. Jesus' entry to Jerusalem would thus
symbolize his entry as the Prince of Peace, not as a war-waging king.

So, go out tomorrow with the other members of your Church, proclaiming JESUS as the PRINCE of PEACE. Goodevening...

italo: @ Richieboyn, thanks for the educative post.

Yea.... U welcome broda. I didn't know the picture I put didn't upload. Av uploaded one now..

italo: @ Richieboyn, thanks for the educative post.

Yea.... U welcome broda. I didn't know the picture I put didn't upload. Av uploaded one now.

For those who have been attending mass regurlarly, you must have noticed that since last sunday (Fifth sunday of Lent) the crucifixes and other images and statues in your Church have been covered in purple cloth. Now, why is this so? What is it's significance? significance?

Well, the Fifth sunday of Lent is the beginning of the two weeks of 'passiontide' in the Church. The first week is known as the Passion week and the Second week which we shall begin tomorrow with The celebration of Palm sunday is known as 'HOLY WEEK'. Going through the readings of the Passion week, you'll notice the INCREASING HATRED the Jews had for Christ. They accused him of being a blasphemer, sorcerer, being possesed by an evil spirit and so on.

The old Gospel reading for Passion Sunday (fifth Sunday of Lent) from the eighth chapter of Saint John's Gospel ends with these words:
“They took up stones therefore to cast at him. But
Jesus hid himself and went out of the
temple.”-John 8:59. (This Gospel was read on Thursday).

According to Saint Augustine, at this moment when "Jesus hid himself," Christ in fact became invisible by virtue of His divine nature. Saint Augustine writes: He hides not Himself in a corner of the temple, as if afraid, or running into a cottage, or turning aside behind a wall or column: but by His Divine Power making Himself invisible, He PASSED THROUGH THEIR MIDST.
To help signify this mystery, Catholic statues and images are veiled with purple cloth on the evening before Passion Sunday. Jesus "hides Himself." The processional crucifix and other small crucifixes are unveiled for Veneration(Kissing of the crucifix) on GOOD FRIDAY. The other images and statues are unveiled on Holy Saturday. This is the moment at which the fast of Lent ends and the glory of Easter begins. This
unveiling reveals that Christ has revealed himself as risen and victorious..

So in Summary: "The veiling of the crucifixes and statues symbolizes the fact that Christ's
Divinity was hidden at the time of His Passion and
death, the very essence of Passiontide."

manmustwac: was just about to submit it myseLf. Its a nice topic but then topics to do with adeboye usually make the homepage so fingers crossed this one should to.

Oh yea? What's so special about Adeboye please?

Boomark: why not do the noble thing and apologize. italo and Richieboyn, who insulted me few minutes days ago will say the same thing and i woun't go searching for those numerous insults.

In your heart you know how much you have insulted me. Are you no longer a christian? why are you trying to be like logicboy03?

Why will I deny the fact that I insulted you? I'm not denying. I did so because you deserve to be insulted. You are a MUMU. Because you claim 2kw, but u don't know, and you don't wnt to kw. And ur making noise all over d place. What other word is better 2use in describing you than MUMU? It fits you very well. My name is Bookmark, but my guy name is MUMU.

ijawkid: Hehehehehehe.............thank you....you might as well start calling Jesus an i-diot because he would be telling you the same exact things I'm telling you......

Quit the use of the rosary and the bowing down to a dead graven image......

MUMU oooooo

frosbel: Is that what your 'humble' pope taught you ? To call people fools

Leave the pope out of this and face me. If you had any form of education, you would be able to recognise a 'PROVERB' when you see one.

frosbel: sorry friend, you know I am not one to beat around the bush , all the aforementioned are pagan practices and have nothing to do with Christianity, stop defending the indefensible, why are you guys not content with Jesus and the bible ? Why addd Paganism into the mixture ?

Silence is the best answer to a fool. Let me break it down to ur level of understanding. Fool=mumu.

chukkynwob: I have one question please,

I am not a catholic so let me talk of what concerns christians in general.

That model that poses as christ in pictures,how did christians come to conclusion that he is the replica of christ?

Okay.... First of all, I will like to commend your tone. I like you manner of approach. There is something called 'apparition'. Check ur dictionary 4clearer meaning. Some early christians(catholics) received this apparitions and made paintings of what appeared to them. That is why you'll see that the images vary but are similar. Because different images appeared to different people @ different times. Its 2serve as a reminder. Itz not a god. Shey u get?

Now here comes the third accusation. "Catholics are Idolaters"

ARE CATHOLIC'S ARE IDOL WORSHIPERS?
The ignorant and unlearned say we are all going to
hell!!! "Catholics worship statues!" People still make this
ridiculous claim. Because Catholics have statues in
their churches, goes the accusation, they are
violating God’s commandment: "You shall not make
for yourself a graven image or any likeness of
anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
you shall not bow down to them or serve them" (Ex.
20:4–5); "Alas, this people have sinned a great sin;
they have made for themselves gods of gold" (Ex.
32:31). It is right to warn people against the sin of idolatry
when they are committing it. But calling Catholics
idolaters because they have images of Christ and the
saints is based on misunderstanding or ignorance of
what the Bible says about the purpose and uses
(both good and bad) of statues. Anti-Catholic writer Loraine Boettner, in his book
Roman Catholicism, makes the blanket statement,
"God has forbidden the use of images in
worship" (281). Yet if people were to "search the
scriptures" (cf. John 5:39), they would find the
opposite is true. God forbade the worship of statues, but he did not forbid the religious use of statues.
Instead, he actually commanded their use in religious
contexts! God Said To Make Them People who oppose religious statuary forget about
the many passages where the Lord commands the
making of statues. For example: "And you shall make
two cherubim of gold [i.e., two gold statues of
angels]; of hammered work shall you make them, on
the two ends of the mercy seat. Make one cherub on the one end, and one cherub on the other end; of
one piece of the mercy seat shall you make the
cherubim on its two ends. The cherubim shall spread
out their wings above, overshadowing the mercy
seat with their wings, their faces one to another;
toward the mercy seat shall the faces of the cherubim be" (Ex. 25:18–20). David gave Solomon the plan "for the altar of incense
made of refined gold, and its weight; also his plan for
the golden chariot of the cherubim that spread their
wings and covered the ark of the covenant of the
Lord. All this he made clear by the writing of the hand
of the Lord concerning it all, all the work to be done according to the plan" (1 Chr. 28:18–19). David’s
plan for the temple, which the biblical author tells us
was "by the writing of the hand of the Lord
concerning it all," included statues of angels. Similarly Ezekiel 41:17–18 describes graven (carved)
images in the idealized temple he was shown in a
vision, for he writes, "On the walls round about in the
inner room and [on] the nave were carved likenesses
of cherubim." The Religious Uses of Images During a plague of serpents sent to punish the
Israelites during the exodus, God told Moses to
"make [a statue of] a fiery serpent, and set it on a
pole; and every one who is bitten, when he sees it
shall live. So Moses made a bronze serpent, and set it
on a pole; and if a serpent bit any man, he would look at the bronze serpent and live" (Num. 21:8–9). One had to look at the bronze statue of the serpent to
be healed, which shows that statues could be used
ritually, not merely as religious decorations. Catholics use statues, paintings, and other artistic
devices to recall the person or thing depicted. Just as
it helps to remember one’s mother by looking at her
photograph, so it helps to recall the example of the
saints by looking at pictures of them. Catholics also
use statues as teaching tools. In the early Church they were especially useful for the instruction of the
illiterate. Many Protestants have pictures of Jesus and
other Bible pictures in Sunday school for teaching
children. Catholics also use statues to commemorate
certain people and events, much as Protestant
churches have three-dimensional nativity scenes at Christmas. If one measured Protestants by the same rule, then
by using these "graven" images, they would be
practicing the "idolatry" of which they accuse
Catholics. But there’s no idolatry going on in these
situations. God forbids the worship of images as
gods, but he doesn’t ban the making of images. If he had, religious movies, videos, photographs,
paintings, and all similar things would be banned.
But, as the case of the bronze serpent shows, God
does not even forbid the ritual use of religious
images. It is when people begin to adore a statue as a god
that the Lord becomes angry. Thus when people did
start to worship the bronze serpent as a snake-god
(whom they named "Nehushtan", the righteous
king Hezekiah had it destroyed (2 Kgs. 18:4). Hiding the Second Commandment? Another charge sometimes made by Protestants is
that the Catholic Church "hides" the second
commandment. This is because in Catholic
catechisms, the first commandment is often listed as
"You shall have no other gods before me" (Ex. 20:3),
and the second is listed as "You shall not take the name of the Lord in vain." (Ex. 20:7). From this, it is
argued that Catholics have deleted the prohibition of
idolatry to justify their use of religious statues. But
this is false. Catholics simply group the
commandments differently from most Protestants. In Exodus 20:2–17, which gives the Ten
Commandments, there are actually fourteen
imperative statements. To arrive at Ten
Commandments, some statements have to be
grouped together, and there is more than one way of
doing this. Since, in the ancient world, polytheism and idolatry were always united—idolatry being the
outward expression of polytheism—the historic
Jewish numbering of the Ten Commandments has
always grouped together the imperatives "You shall
have no other gods before me" (Ex. 20:3) and "You
shall not make for yourself a graven image" (Ex. 20:4). The historic Catholic numbering follows the
Jewish numbering on this point, as does the historic
Lutheran numbering. Martin Luther recognized that
the imperatives against polytheism and idolatry are
two parts of a single command. Jews and Christians abbreviate the commandments
so that they can be remembered using a summary,
ten-point formula. For example, Jews, Catholics, and
Protestants typically summarize the Sabbath
commandment as, "Remember the Sabbath to keep it
holy," though the commandment’s actual text takes four verses (Ex. 20:8–11). When the prohibition of polytheism/idolatry is
summarized, Jews, Catholics, and Lutherans
abbreviate it as "You shall have no other gods before
me." This is no attempt to "hide" the idolatry
prohibition (Jews and Lutherans don’t even use
statues of saints and angels). It is to make learning the Ten Commandments easier. The Catholic Church is not dogmatic about how the
Ten Commandments are to be numbered, however.
The Catechism of the Catholic Church says, "The
division and numbering of the Commandments have
varied in the course of history. The present catechism
follows the division of the Commandments established by Augustine, which has become
traditional in the Catholic Church. It is also that of the
Lutheran confession. The Greek Fathers worked out
a slightly different division, which is found in the
Orthodox Churches and Reformed
communities" (CCC 2066). Idolatry Condemned by the Church Since the days of the apostles, the Catholic Church
has consistently condemned the sin of idolatry. The
early Church Fathers warn against this sin, and
Church councils also dealt with the issue. The Second Council of Nicaea (787), which dealt
largely with the question of the religious use of
images and icons, said, "[T]he one who redeemed us
from the darkness of idolatrous insanity, Christ our
God, when he took for his bride his holy Catholic
Church . . . promised he would guard her and assured his holy disciples saying, ‘I am with you
every day until the consummation of this age.’ . . . To
this gracious offer some people paid no attention;
being hoodwinked by the treacherous foe they
abandoned the true line of reasoning . . . and they
failed to distinguish the holy from the profane, asserting that the icons of our Lord and of his saints
were no different from the wooden images of satanic
idols." The Catechism of the Council of Trent (1566) taught
that idolatry is committed "by worshipping idols and
images as God, or believing that they possess any
divinity or virtue entitling them to our worship, by
praying to, or reposing confidence in them" (374). "Idolatry is a perversion of man’s innate religious
sense. An idolater is someone who ‘transfers his
indestructible notion of God to anything other than
God’" (CCC 2114). The Church absolutely recognizes and condemns the
sin of idolatry. What anti-Catholics fail to recognize is
the distinction between thinking a piece of stone or
plaster is a god and desiring to visually remember
Christ and the saints in heaven by making statues in
their honor. The making and use of religious statues is a thoroughly biblical practice. Anyone who says
otherwise doesn’t know his Bible.

Anyone catholic bowing before any of this images is STRICTLY on his own.

Now Here comes the 3rd accusation of Idolatory. Yet another false one.

ARE CATHOLIC'S ARE IDOL WORSHIPERS?
The ignorant and unlearned say we are all going to
hell!!! "Catholics worship statues!" People still make this
ridiculous claim. Because Catholics have statues in
their churches, goes the accusation, they are
violating God’s commandment: "You shall not make
for yourself a graven image or any likeness of
anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
you shall not bow down to them or serve them" (Ex.
20:4–5); "Alas, this people have sinned a great sin;
they have made for themselves gods of gold" (Ex.
32:31). It is right to warn people against the sin of idolatry
when they are committing it. But calling Catholics
idolaters because they have images of Christ and the
saints is based on misunderstanding or ignorance of
what the Bible says about the purpose and uses
(both good and bad) of statues. Anti-Catholic writer Loraine Boettner, in his book
Roman Catholicism, makes the blanket statement,
"God has forbidden the use of images in
worship" (281). Yet if people were to "search the
scriptures" (cf. John 5:39), they would find the
opposite is true. God forbade the worship of statues, but he did not forbid the religious use of statues.
Instead, he actually commanded their use in religious
contexts! God Said To Make Them People who oppose religious statuary forget about
the many passages where the Lord commands the
making of statues. For example: "And you shall make
two cherubim of gold [i.e., two gold statues of
angels]; of hammered work shall you make them, on
the two ends of the mercy seat. Make one cherub on the one end, and one cherub on the other end; of
one piece of the mercy seat shall you make the
cherubim on its two ends. The cherubim shall spread
out their wings above, overshadowing the mercy
seat with their wings, their faces one to another;
toward the mercy seat shall the faces of the cherubim be" (Ex. 25:18–20). David gave Solomon the plan "for the altar of incense
made of refined gold, and its weight; also his plan for
the golden chariot of the cherubim that spread their
wings and covered the ark of the covenant of the
Lord. All this he made clear by the writing of the hand
of the Lord concerning it all, all the work to be done according to the plan" (1 Chr. 28:18–19). David’s
plan for the temple, which the biblical author tells us
was "by the writing of the hand of the Lord
concerning it all," included statues of angels. Similarly Ezekiel 41:17–18 describes graven (carved)
images in the idealized temple he was shown in a
vision, for he writes, "On the walls round about in the
inner room and [on] the nave were carved likenesses
of cherubim." The Religious Uses of Images During a plague of serpents sent to punish the
Israelites during the exodus, God told Moses to
"make [a statue of] a fiery serpent, and set it on a
pole; and every one who is bitten, when he sees it
shall live. So Moses made a bronze serpent, and set it
on a pole; and if a serpent bit any man, he would look at the bronze serpent and live" (Num. 21:8–9). One had to look at the bronze statue of the serpent to
be healed, which shows that statues could be used
ritually, not merely as religious decorations. Catholics use statues, paintings, and other artistic
devices to recall the person or thing depicted. Just as
it helps to remember one’s mother by looking at her
photograph, so it helps to recall the example of the
saints by looking at pictures of them. Catholics also
use statues as teaching tools. In the early Church they were especially useful for the instruction of the
illiterate. Many Protestants have pictures of Jesus and
other Bible pictures in Sunday school for teaching
children. Catholics also use statues to commemorate
certain people and events, much as Protestant
churches have three-dimensional nativity scenes at Christmas. If one measured Protestants by the same rule, then
by using these "graven" images, they would be
practicing the "idolatry" of which they accuse
Catholics. But there’s no idolatry going on in these
situations. God forbids the worship of images as
gods, but he doesn’t ban the making of images. If he had, religious movies, videos, photographs,
paintings, and all similar things would be banned.
But, as the case of the bronze serpent shows, God
does not even forbid the ritual use of religious
images. It is when people begin to adore a statue as a god
that the Lord becomes angry. Thus when people did
start to worship the bronze serpent as a snake-god
(whom they named "Nehushtan", the righteous
king Hezekiah had it destroyed (2 Kgs. 18:4). Hiding the Second Commandment? Another charge sometimes made by Protestants is
that the Catholic Church "hides" the second
commandment. This is because in Catholic
catechisms, the first commandment is often listed as
"You shall have no other gods before me" (Ex. 20:3),
and the second is listed as "You shall not take the name of the Lord in vain." (Ex. 20:7). From this, it is
argued that Catholics have deleted the prohibition of
idolatry to justify their use of religious statues. But
this is false. Catholics simply group the
commandments differently from most Protestants. In Exodus 20:2–17, which gives the Ten
Commandments, there are actually fourteen
imperative statements. To arrive at Ten
Commandments, some statements have to be
grouped together, and there is more than one way of
doing this. Since, in the ancient world, polytheism and idolatry were always united—idolatry being the
outward expression of polytheism—the historic
Jewish numbering of the Ten Commandments has
always grouped together the imperatives "You shall
have no other gods before me" (Ex. 20:3) and "You
shall not make for yourself a graven image" (Ex. 20:4). The historic Catholic numbering follows the
Jewish numbering on this point, as does the historic
Lutheran numbering. Martin Luther recognized that
the imperatives against polytheism and idolatry are
two parts of a single command. Jews and Christians abbreviate the commandments
so that they can be remembered using a summary,
ten-point formula. For example, Jews, Catholics, and
Protestants typically summarize the Sabbath
commandment as, "Remember the Sabbath to keep it
holy," though the commandment’s actual text takes four verses (Ex. 20:8–11). When the prohibition of polytheism/idolatry is
summarized, Jews, Catholics, and Lutherans
abbreviate it as "You shall have no other gods before
me." This is no attempt to "hide" the idolatry
prohibition (Jews and Lutherans don’t even use
statues of saints and angels). It is to make learning the Ten Commandments easier. The Catholic Church is not dogmatic about how the
Ten Commandments are to be numbered, however.
The Catechism of the Catholic Church says, "The
division and numbering of the Commandments have
varied in the course of history. The present catechism
follows the division of the Commandments established by Augustine, which has become
traditional in the Catholic Church. It is also that of the
Lutheran confession. The Greek Fathers worked out
a slightly different division, which is found in the
Orthodox Churches and Reformed
communities" (CCC 2066). Idolatry Condemned by the Church Since the days of the apostles, the Catholic Church
has consistently condemned the sin of idolatry. The
early Church Fathers warn against this sin, and
Church councils also dealt with the issue. The Second Council of Nicaea (787), which dealt
largely with the question of the religious use of
images and icons, said, "[T]he one who redeemed us
from the darkness of idolatrous insanity, Christ our
God, when he took for his bride his holy Catholic
Church . . . promised he would guard her and assured his holy disciples saying, ‘I am with you
every day until the consummation of this age.’ . . . To
this gracious offer some people paid no attention;
being hoodwinked by the treacherous foe they
abandoned the true line of reasoning . . . and they
failed to distinguish the holy from the profane, asserting that the icons of our Lord and of his saints
were no different from the wooden images of satanic
idols." The Catechism of the Council of Trent (1566) taught
that idolatry is committed "by worshipping idols and
images as God, or believing that they possess any
divinity or virtue entitling them to our worship, by
praying to, or reposing confidence in them" (374). "Idolatry is a perversion of man’s innate religious
sense. An idolater is someone who ‘transfers his
indestructible notion of God to anything other than
God’" (CCC 2114). The Church absolutely recognizes and condemns the
sin of idolatry. What anti-Catholics fail to recognize is
the distinction between thinking a piece of stone or
plaster is a god and desiring to visually remember
Christ and the saints in heaven by making statues in
their honor. The making and use of religious statues is a thoroughly biblical practice. Anyone who says
otherwise doesn’t know his Bible.

ijawkid: How would you have seen it when you were busy at your lil shrine bowing before that tiny graven image of mary and the cross and repetitively reciting the hail mary mantra.....rubbish!!!!.......image here and there,........absolute idolatry......

I am not suprised at all you are saying. No matter how much u try 2bathe a PIG like you, the PIG will always go back and lie in the mud. With a basket brain like the one you have, knowledge cannot be retained, and datz why everything we've been giving to you has been draining away. Well someone just told me not to argue with i.diots cos de'll drag me down to deir level and beat me with experience. I am not an id.iot so I may not be able 2put up with you. You can keep on making noise. May the Blessed Virgin Mary, Mother of God interceed for you to her Son, to forgive you of your sins.

I will stop here. No time for i.diots.

Dogohson: 1 Timothy 2 vs 5, "For there is one God, and one Mediator between God and Men, the Man Christ Jesus". From the above scripture, it can be deduced that praying to God through any other means other than Christ Jesus is wrong. He (JESUS) is the only mediator between we and God not some saints as the catholics profess. The above scripture settles that fact, whosoever debunks it only shows the level of ignorance he or she is wallowing in. Mary herself cried out to God as her 'Saviour' in Luke 1 vs 47. This is the same Mary that the catholics regard as the "mother of God", what nonsense! And whosoever tells you that the Bible was compiled by the catholics did you great injustice. After the Roman soldiers killed Christ, they persecuted Christians likewise, but the more they persecuted them, the more they became widespread. Since they (Roman empire) couldn't get a grip on the christians, they dabbled into the church with their fertility goddess (as this was the god they worship in those days) regarding her as virgin Mary. They also dabbled into the church with all the fetish doctrines you see them practicing today. There are documents to back this up, I'm not speaking out of my own fertile imagination

Why are you talking too much? Show us the Documents! And Mary is the Mother of GOD! Jesus is God the son. John 10:30-"I and my Father are ONE". What are you talking about Mr. Basket brain we HONOUR mary ooooooooo!!!!!! Check ur dictionary if you have one. There is a difference between Honouring and Worshipping.

anthonypeters: so I honour my father by making an
image that I 'feel' looks like him? I honur
my mother by making her image and then
bowing and praying before her image
right? It is such a pity when people fool
themselves. People now want to give God
a shape and a form aaaaah! God have
mercy!
I do not know whether you have ever
came across where Jesus said, I am the
way the truth, and the life, NO ONE
COMETH UNTO THE FATHER BUT BY ME......
John 14.6. Jesus never said some people
will come through me while others will
come throguh Peter, others can as well
choose to come through Mary, some
might as well choose Maria. No one
cometh unto the father but by me. The
word of God is clear, human philosophy
and logic does not explain it, The word of
God standeth sure, it never fades, it does
not change with the course of time.
Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven
image, or any likeness of anything that is
in heaven above, or that is in the earth
beneath, or that is in the water under the
earth. Thou shalt not bow down theyself
to them........... Exodus 20:4-5. God
instructed Moses to make the serpent,
yes! Should anyone bitten by the snake
look upon it be healed, yes! God never
told them to bow to the brazen serpent,
God never told them to pray nor design
prayers to them, God never also told them
to make altars or prayers with them. By
the way, the brazen serpent was made on
God's instruction, Moses never woke up
and thought it to a good thing to design
an image or a brazen serpent rather. The
brazen serpent was made STRICTLY on
God's instruction. On whose instructions
were those images you use designed?
At the wedding in Cana, Mary the mother
of Jesus begged Jesus to help the cuple
wedding, that they were running out of
wine, Jesus actually did that but I want to
draw you back to what Mary the mother
of Jesus said to the servants serving a the
wedding before she left..... John 2:5 His
mother said unto the servants,
whatsoever he saith unto you, do it. Mary
was actually telling the servants that she
cant do anything with regards to their
need at that point in time, the only person
that could help them was Jesus!
There is only one mediator between us
and the father, and that is Jesus, none
other. Jesus is the only way.... There is no
other means to the father except Jesus.
Believe me if I tell that I was a Catholic for
20 years, wallowing in false doctrine and
human logic. I can boast here on
Nairaland that no one knows the Catholic
doctrine more than I do. I studied it, lived
it, baptised in it, communioned in it,
confirmed in it, bread and buttered in it,
and received awards as a faithful scholar
and teacher of the Catholic doctrine, until
when I went down to the roots, started
afresh and God showed me the truth I
never wanted to accept. Thank God Christ
Jesus!
I do not have time to enter deeply into
this, if you the poster should get to study
the Catholic Church, its doctrine..... Infact
everything about it, get to know the truth,
I tell you that you will..........
I am not saying that the Catholic Church in
itself is evil, NO! All I am saying is that
some of their doctrines should not be
practiced by anyone who actually is a
Christian. Have you done any studies on
buddhism, hiduism and other pagan
religions of the world ?
I cant actually say I am a protestant, NO I
am not a protestant, I am a Christian
saved by God's grace and mercy. Till today
my parents are Catholics, my siblings are
all Catholics, my relations both maternal
and paternal are all Catholics, even my
community is 90 percent Catholic except
me. Thank God for Jesus! I am not trying
to claim anything here please, try to
understand that I do not hete the Catholic
Church nor Catholics, I wish people will
get to know the truth. You cant imagine
the rate of hatred and insult I got from my
family when I declared Christianity, my
family hated me so much just for that
singular reason, but they failed cos they
saw that the change that brought to my
soul when I declared Christian is spiritual,
and as such came with many spiritual
gifts and blessings.
I wish I could have time and enough
space to discuss this, but I believe that a
word is enough for the wise.
God bless you!
Be rapturable because that is the greatest
message not pagan idols and biased
religions.
Once again, God bless you!

I didn't even have time to read ur whole stuff when I discovered u were talking 'OUT OF POINT'. "Nobody on Nairaland knows the Catholic doctrine more than I do. Bla bla bla". Then you turn around 2 say we BOW down 2 Mary's image? Is that d doctrine you know?? Hahaha.... Yudeserve a good laff. D church has NEVER, I repeat NEVER directed anyone 2bow down 2Mary's image. Anyone doing that is strictly on his/her own. Then as 4u to compare the potrait of ur father or your mother to that of the Mother of the Saviour of the World, can't you see that you problem is complex?

Then again, when u always talking about what I 'feel' she looks like... I stand 2 DiSAGREE with you. YOU ARE WRONG! Itz not just mere feelings. Ur protestant Churches will always claim de've gone 2heaven and come back where they saw God and bla bla bla... The Catholic Churchhas never claimed to go 2heaven and return. There is something called an 'Apparition'. Check your dictionary for the meaning(datz if yu have a dictionary). Mary and Jesus have appeared to Many individuals on DIFFERENT OCCASSIONS and @ DIFFERENT PLACES to give DIFFERENT MESSAGES. The person who was appeared to decides to make a drawing of who appeared to him. And u still say datz what de 'FEEL' it is? Or you think Jesus has stopped appearing like He did in the past? NO! He said "I am with you till the END OF TIME" Matthew 28:20. Have you ever seen any Catholic with the image of God the Father? NO! because no one sees God theFather and remains alive.....dat is why Moses has 2hide his face on d ground @ d site of d burning bush.


Yes, Mary said to his disciples: "Do whatever he tells you to do". But does that mean she didnot contribute to d help of d couple? She had fulfilled her part. D intercession! His disciples wer 2continue. Or do you expect ur mother 2work when u have 12boyz following you? And where have you seen the Catholic Church say that Mary is occupying the role of Jesus My friend, please allow some knowledge in2 ur brain na. Gosh! She does the same thing now. She interceeds 4us.....while the angels carry out the work. Why can't the heads of u protestants be opened up?

And lastly, you talked about your being amember of the Catholic Church for 20years? WHO CARES?! Has ur exit from the Catholic Church made us any less in standard? Has it stopped the unity between us? That the readings proclaimed in ur village are the same proclaimed all over the world? Unlike that of the protestant churches where the gospel of 2churches in THE SAME TOWN will be different. Has ur exit from the Church made us to have no pope, bishops or priests? NO! Instead we are increasing daily. U said u've discovered d truth. Oya go na! Nobody is forcing you. The rest of ur family who stayed behind are wiser. The earlier others like you who do not care 2know the real truth leave the Church.....d beta for us. Make we know the people wey we de deal with.

(I was a member of d catholic church for 20years bla bla bla bla bla.... Mtcheeeeew!)

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Ubenedictus: abeg talk truth make devil shame, una just get weytin dey scratch una body wey make una dey open thread up and down even make arguement wey no make sense.
I just read one of such arguement by u where u seem to imply dat prayer stop been prayer when it is said on beads. So it is insane to compare ordinary prayer with those that were counted.
That is an example of d kind silly arguement una dey make.

U can imagine! Av nt even seen that sef.

ijawkid: The bolded wan kill me with laugh...

Show me where in the scriptures that says mary is the queen over christians........stop worshipping mary and aSsigning titles to her.....

You are just an educated illiterate that is why it is sooooo hard 4u 2comprehend that we don't worship Mary. D Bible u always make reference to was authored by this same Church u despise sooo much. Yet, u love the Bible? 4ur information, d Church is senior to d Bible. How then were they teaching before d advent of the Bible? Dere ws no Church den abi? Can't u see dat ur nt informed?

ijawkid: Queen of which patriarchs??......queen of which apostles??...what rubbish are you spewing??.........now I can confidently conclude that you guys are idolaters...make ona no vex abeg........queen of which family??.......make ona take ona time o ........

She's even a queen over you, despite you foolishness. Just the way your mother will love you no matter what you say and do to her.

JeSoul: Oga give it some time now, you just submitted it yesterday. I've submitted it so give it a few days (but that's no guarantee it'll make it as its up to the supermods).

LOL....okay, thanks. I didn't understand it dat way. U've explained beta now. Thanks

Boomark: "mother of her God" is missing. I dey come back.

Yes. She is the MOTHER of God the Son. Tell the world I SAID SO.

Awww.... Mods, ntn has yet been done about my request concerning this post being moved to FP.

www.nairaland.com/1231864/hidden-truths-catholic-church-revealed#1231864.11.

I'm still hoping.... And optimistic. Thanks