₦airaland Forum

AntiChristian:
Your exhibition so far as been of the highest form!

Because I am hammering your skull with the truth

AntiChristian:
It was not an Islamic state till Allah used Muhammad to change it to an Islamic state! It was a Kufr state before that! An Islamic state as used here is a country that uses Islamic laws.

Since you know this why attributing establishment of islamic state to muhammad?

Are you aware that he (muhammad) forcefully acquired Saudi Arabia to an islamic state?

👉 You didn't answer this question, I've asked it before and I will repeat it again, THE DOMINANT RELIGION(S) PRIOR MUHAMMAD IS/ARE WHAT?

AntiChristian:
He lived in and around Saudi Arabia! Before he became a Prophet, he travelled further than that!

Ahahahaha Name the country he traveled to outside Saudi Arabia? Answer the question with proof

AntiChristian:
You should first understand what as Islamic state mean!

If you want me to teach you what and how islamic state were formed, you will be shocked again! But that is not where we are going to.

An Islamic state is a state that has a form of government based on Islamic law (sharia)


👉How did Muhammad established an islamic state you're attaching him to? Explain and tell us the state he established as an islamic state

N.B. If NO answer, accept you made a mistake to have used the word ESTABLISHED

AntiChristian:
Who said there are Elohim in front of the gods?
I said the gods is translated from Elohim in Hebrew!

The bolded below who put it there, is it not you? You can't show the version you got it from, you are a disgrace and colossal failure to islamic word

AntiChristian:
Deuteronomy 13 from 6
If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you embrace, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods "(Elohim)” (which neither you nor your fathers have known, 7the gods (Elohe) of the peoples around you, whether near or far, whether from one end of the earth or the other), 8you must not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity, and do not spare him or shield him.

AntiChristian:
You need to calm down as the way I see it your reasoning seems like that of a kid!

You saw the translation in brackets and you are still complaining!

Is a thing you can show us the version you got it from as simple as ABC

AntiChristian:
If you use the words of abuse next time na to report you!

AHAHAHAHAHAHA I laugh in Spanish you just come back from a week ban, you will soon go back again. Thank your brother Lukuluku69 that stood by you when you are away

AntiChristian:
It will be better if you can address your point one by one instead of confusing yourself with petty folly!

My pretty joy is seeing you guys displaying your nonsense and stupidity on nairaland..

Here are the questions again, you don't have to hide your shame but let me make it easy for you by giving you options

👉Is Saudi Arabia not an Islamic state? YES or NO


👉DID MUHAMMAD WHILE ALIVE LIVED IN ANOTHER STATE, NATION OR COUNTRY ASIDE SAUDI ARABIA? YES or NO

👉How did Muhammad established an islamic state you're attaching him to? Explain and tell us the state he established as an islamic state

AntiChristian:
See attached from your link, go there and scroll down! Liar!

The concept of God/god (Elohim) in the Bible is deceptive and can easily be translated as one wishes.

Son of God
In the Bible we see that Moses was God for Pharaoh, Satan is the God of the world, Sons of God came to sleep with humans, God fought Jacob and lost, Jesus is the son of God, Even you are Gods. Most of these Gods are from "Elohim" in Hebrew. Elohim which can be translated as "gods" can be used in the singular sense for God, for god, Angels, Superhuman, and for people of authority such as a Judge or ruler.

Elohim as God aka Yahweh
Take note that in Gen 1:1 In the Beginning God (Elohim) created the heaven and earth.

Used as gods
Now I know that the LORD (Yahweh) is greater than all other gods (Elohim), for he did this to those who had treated Israel arrogantly.” Exo 18:11

“Whoever sacrifices to any god (Elohim) other than the LORD (Yahweh) must be destroyed. Exo 22:20

As an Angel (Cos i don't think Jacob can fight God.)
“Your name will no longer be Jacob,” the man told him. “From now on you will be called Israel, because you have fought with God and with men and have won.” Gen 32:28

Humans are God (Elohim)
Then the LORD (Yahweh) said to Moses, “See, I have made you like God (Elohim) to Pharaoh, and your brother Aaron will be your prophet. Exo 7:1

“I said, ‘You are “gods" (Elohim); you are all sons of the Most High.’ Psalm 82:6

WHY DID YOU INSERTED ELOHIM TO THE BELOW VERSES YOU DROPPED HERE?

AntiChristian:
Deuteronomy 13 from 6
If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you embrace, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods "(Elohim)” (which neither you nor your fathers have known, 7the gods (Elohe) of the peoples around you, whether near or far, whether from one end of the earth or the other), 8you must not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity, and do not spare him or shield him.

The verses above has NO Elohim infront of gods, tell us why you inserted the word Elohim to suit your stupidity and where did you get your own version from? Are you this rascal just because you want to make yourself happy with your ignorance about the word of God?

AntiChristian:
Established an Islamic state from a disbelieving (Kufr) state!

I never mentioned Saudi Arabia!

Be guided and re-read what you typed earlier

AntiChristian:
Saudi Arabia will pass judgment before sentencing anyone!
And that's the correct judgement!

No jungle justice in Islam!

AntiChristian:
This is the thought of one filled with holy Spirit!

The rightful thought is that the Shariah ruling in an Islamic state is slightly different from that in a democratic state!

Who typed those nonsense above? Is Saudi Arabia not an Islamic state, DID MUHAMMAD WHILE ALIVE LIVED IN ANOTHER STATE, NATION OR COUNTRY ASIDE SAUDI ARABIA?

How did Muhammad established an islamic state you're attaching him to?

AntiChristian:
The Prophet established an Islamic state with an Islamic ruling system which the Sahabas followed!
No mouth shut!

You are a colossal failure!

AntiChristian:
Allah says in Qur'an 53:19-23
Have you then considered Al-Lat, and Al-'Uzza (two idols of the pagan Arabs)
And Manat (another idol of the pagan Arabs), the other third?
Is it for you the males and for Him the females?
That indeed is a division most unfair!
They are but names which you have named, you and your fathers, for which Allah has sent down no authority. They follow but a guess and that which they themselves desire, whereas there has surely come to them the Guidance from their Lord!

You quickly rushed in quoting the verse but that is not where I am going.

Was Allah known as the name of Islamic God prior Muhammad?

AntiChristian:
Your God said anyone that worships other gods should be killed! What's the difference? Recharge your spirit please!

Other gods are idols (idolaters), your own Allah with his messenger were against Christians and Jews, they both affirmed that you should kill Christians and Jews, does Bible says WE SHOULD KILL YOU MUSLIMS? Can you see that the different is clear


You have to move away from the two blo0dy incanates (muhammad and allah) please

AntiChristian:
Check those verses as translated from Hebrew!

I've checked from Hebrew translated I still don't see the reason why you inserted ELOHIM just because you want us to see how ignorance you are

AntiChristian:
Deuteronomy 13 from 6
If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you embrace, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods "(Elohim)” (which neither you nor your fathers have known, 7the gods (Elohe) of the peoples around you, whether near or far, whether from one end of the earth or the other), 8you must not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity, and do not spare him or shield him.

Elohim and Elohe are used for Yahweh or gods! Anyone goes!

Anytime you want to have discussion with me, always endeavour to keep away from LYING. The bolded above, where did you get it from? You inserted it to suit your stupidity isn't it?




https://biblehub.com/deuteronomy/13-6.htm

RightChannel:
I do tell you guys to stop being in a haste to comment or type trash. The first one also says idols which are gods. Read verse 8 of that chapter

I said read verse 8, is this your verse 8 of 2 Chronicle 15? Why are you so eager to comment, hope you've not been frustrated already?

AntiChristian:
2 Chronicles
11.At that time they sacrificed to the LORD (Yahweh) seven hundred oxen and seven thousand sheep from all the plunder they had brought back. 12Then they entered into a covenant to seek the LORD(Yahweh), the God (Elohe) of their fathers, with all their heart and soul. 13And whoever would not seek the LORD(Yahweh), the God (Elohe) of Israel, would be put to death, whether young or old, man or woman.

Always read before commenting

AntiChristian:
Do open your eyes and see what I typed!
You still comprehend like a toddler!

I said :The Prophet [b]established an Islamic state with an Islamic ruling system which the Sahabas followed![/b]

You are telling lies that I said he created Saudi Arabia!

Why not check your dictionary for the meaning of ESTABLISH? You said your messenger ESTABLISHED an Islamic state, how did I lied against you? You can relief yourself by checking for the meaning

AntiChristian:
So which is superior in those states, the constitution or Shariah?

Did you read this or you just look away because it doesn't favours you?


The adoption of Sharia law violates Article 10 of the Nigerian constitution guaranteeing religious freedom


Should I give you some instances where your sharia law is superior than Nigeria constitution in those states?

AntiChristian:
This is why i hate your Holy Spirit! It takes a while to understand people! Please recharge it.

The number one law in Nigeria is not Sharia but the Constitution of FRN!
The number one Constitution in an Islamic state is the Shariah!

See you have to humble yourself for adequate learning. Since 1999, a declaration of full Sharia law was made in the twelve states as a main body of civil and criminal law in twelve Muslim-majority states. Jihadi Ahmad Sani Yerima the then Zamfara state governor pushed for the institution of Sharia at the state level of government.

The adoption of Sharia law violates Article 10 of the Nigerian constitution guaranteeing religious freedom. You just have to humble yourself and learn is that clear?

AntiChristian:
The Prophet established an Islamic state with an Islamic ruling system which the Sahabas followed!
No mouth shut!

So your prophet established, founded or created Saudi Arabia? Did you know the history of Saudi Arabia at all, did you know the dominant religion in Saudi Arabia before Muhammad forcefully acquired it? Did you want me to expose your religion the more?

Did you just go to Saudi Arabia to perform your idolism without not doing findings on how it was created? smh

AntiChristian:
This is the thought of one filled with holy Spirit!

The rightful thought is that the Shariah ruling in an Islamic state is slightly different from that in a democratic state!

Ahahahahaha Jesus Christ of Nazareth you're still twisting your own words to bring more calamity on thyself.

Your sharia ruling is there in Kano, Kaduna, Sokoto etc states, are you saying the Islam you're practicing in Nigeria is nonsense?

AntiChristian:
No "gods" in the first one!

I do tell you guys to stop being in a haste to comment or type trash. The first one also says idols which are gods. Read verse 8 of that chapter

AntiChristian:
The "gods" are translated from Elohim as your Yahweh!

Where is your source on this? And I will proof to you that Allah is an idol from a reliable source

AntiChristian:
In English the creator is God! All other things people worship apart from God are gods!

Good that you spoken well here, did you now get the context? You can't serve God with any other gods (idols). But your own messenger said kill anyone that renounce his religion from Islam to Christianity or Jews, why is muhammad hatred against Christians and Jews this much?

AntiChristian:
Allah is the only one God!

Why did the same Allah attributed himself to female goddeses in Saudi Arabia, If he is only one God as you said?

AntiChristian:
Which narrator?
Is that how Hadith are interpreted?

Look for the holy Spirit first and come back!

How is your Hadith narrated? I will screenshots now to keep your mouth shut. I am expecting you to say it is da'if

AntiChristian:
Saudi Arabia will pass judgment before sentencing anyone!
And that's the correct judgement!

No jungle justice in Islam!

What are you now insinuating? Are you saying the Islam you're practising in Nigeria is nonsense?

AntiChristian:
Yeah!
Muhammad lived in an Islamic controlled society!
Nigeria is not an entirely controlled Islamic society like Saudi Arabia!

So that is the setting!

For violating apostasy law in Nigeria, are you aware that some people were killed? Is Nigeria an Islamic controlled society like Saudi Arabia

AntiChristian:
Yeah!
Muhammad lived in an Islamic controlled society!
Nigeria is not an entirely controlled Islamic society like Saudi Arabia!

So that is the setting!

But the narrators are not specific or rigid that killing anyone that renounce his islamic religion should base alone in Islamic controlled society or do they?

AntiChristian:
What i sent was a Bible verse!
Why would i be banned?

Did you read where it says gods?

Can you differentiate between God and gods? What category did you placed Allah, is it God or gods?

AntiChristian:
So what is the context there?

And how is it different from below:

1. They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

2) If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)

Did you read what you sent very well again before you will be banned for another week?

AntiChristian:
Great!
What's the context?

Now back to your question, I gave you different narrations so that you won't say one is da'if

Muhammad as been narrated from different narrators gave a warm instructions to kill anyone that changes his religion from Islam to Christianity, atheism, etc. This is a very clear statement in which you must abide with as a true followers of muhammad

AntiChristian:
Great!
What's the context?

Sunan Ibn Majah 2535

It was narrated from Ibn`Abbas that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said:
“Whoever changes his religion, execute him.”

حَدَّثَنَا مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ الصَّبَّاحِ، أَنْبَأَنَا سُفْيَانُ بْنُ عُيَيْنَةَ، عَنْ أَيُّوبَ، عَنْ عِكْرِمَةَ، عَنِ ابْنِ عَبَّاسٍ، قَالَ قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏(‏مَنْ بَدَّلَ دِينَهُ فَاقْتُلُوهُ ‏)‏‏.‏

AntiChristian:
Great!
What's the context?

Sahih al-Bukhari 6922

Narrated `Ikrima:

Some Zanadiqa (atheists) were brought to `Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn `Abbas who said, "If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) forbade it, saying, 'Do not punish anybody with Allah's punishment (fire).' I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah's Messenger (ﷺ), 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'"

حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو النُّعْمَانِ، مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ الْفَضْلِ حَدَّثَنَا حَمَّادُ بْنُ زَيْدٍ، عَنْ أَيُّوبَ، عَنْ عِكْرِمَةَ، قَالَ أُتِيَ عَلِيٌّ ـ رضى الله عنه ـ بِزَنَادِقَةٍ فَأَحْرَقَهُمْ فَبَلَغَ ذَلِكَ ابْنَ عَبَّاسٍ فَقَالَ لَوْ كُنْتُ أَنَا لَمْ أُحْرِقْهُمْ لِنَهْىِ رَسُولِ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم وَلَقَتَلْتُهُمْ لِقَوْلِ رَسُولِ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ "‏ مَنْ بَدَّلَ دِينَهُ فَاقْتُلُوهُ ‏"‏‏.‏

AntiChristian:
Where did you find such law in Islam?

Sunan an-Nasa'i 4059

Ibn 'Abbas said:
"The Messenger of Allah [SAW] said: 'Whoever changes his religion, kill him.'"


أَخْبَرَنَا عِمْرَانُ بْنُ مُوسَى، قَالَ حَدَّثَنَا عَبْدُ الْوَارِثِ، قَالَ حَدَّثَنَا أَيُّوبُ، عَنْ عِكْرِمَةَ، قَالَ قَالَ ابْنُ عَبَّاسٍ قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ "‏ مَنْ بَدَّلَ دِينَهُ فَاقْتُلُوهُ ‏"‏ ‏.‏

Lukuluku69:
Lol

Your head need a wobble. In fact several wobbles!

The followers of Prophet Muhammad are the "Objectors and infidels"

Another problem for Islamic world, the last time you said Muhammad was a pagan and now you followers of Muhammad are infidels

Lukuluku69:
No wonder the Christians are anyhow people. You understand nothing.

If we Christians are anyhow people that understand nothing, shall we say Allah was a wayward or he was so stupid to have directed muhammad and his allies to seek for knowledge from the Christians and Jews?


Quran 10:94 Irving & Mohamed Hegab

If you are in any doubt concerning what We have sent down to you, then question those who have read the Book (Bible) before you: Truth has come to you from your Lord, so do not be a waverer;




👉 Shall we know the name of that your damsel?

Lukuluku69:
The "Objectors" are who?

If don't have any inclines on the purport of that verse but you lots like quoting it.

The objectors are you the followers of muhammad and muhammad himself. Allah said if you do not know this, ask the people of The reminder (Jews and Christians).

Had it been if the objectors are infidels or pagans according to your own stylish stupidity, why was Allah directed them to ask the Christians and Jews and not you Muslims?

Lukuluku69:
So, Prophet Muhammad is the Objector to his own Message?

You are too daft, novice, dull, etc Allah was passing a message to muhammad isn't it? Muhammad was the second person here, so how is muhammad now objector to his own message? Is muhammad the author of Quran

You subjected Muhammad to a pagan which I am well pleased with but had it been you are in core Northern Nigeria, you would have become a thing of the past

Allah sees muhammad and you his followers as unlearned persons, he mandanted you to asked Christians and Jews questions that will widen your understanding of basic things but the shame Allah made you to encountered with by revealing this disgraceful verse won't let you surrender yourself for knowledge. Na your problem be that!

This is a clear case with that of Lazarus, we can proceed to your damsel your raised the other time, so who is that damsel?

Lukuluku69:
Dunce, the infidels are the Meccan Pagans.

Why are you people bereft of any sense as this?

The Verse is telling those who oppose/object to the Prophethood of Prophet Muhammad to go ask the Jews if there is any similarities to what he is preaching now with the Message as contained in the Torah.

Gosh...

Fool, numskull is muhammad now mecca pagan? You're a disgrace to Islamic world, muhammad is now a pagan according to your stupidity

You never see where Allah saId Muhammad? This is just a four lines statement but frustration won't let you understand simple comprehension


Quran 10:94 M. M. Pickthall

And if thou (Muhammad) art in doubt concerning that which We reveal unto thee, then question those who read the Scripture (that was) before thee. Verily the Truth from thy Lord hath come unto thee. So be not thou of the waverers


Quran 10:94 M. Farook Malik

The Messengers which We sent before you, O Muhammad, were also human to whom We sent revelation. If you, O objectors, do not know this, then ask the people of the reminder (Jews and Christians)


Quran 10:94 Al-muntakhab fi tafsir al-Qur‘an al-Karim

We never sent and inspired before you O Muhammad but men chosen from among the town dwellers whose deeds were natural to man, therefore, you -infidels- may ask those who are well versed in the antecedent Scriptures -Jews and Christians- if indeed you do not know

Allah was a disgrace to his slaves @Lukuluku69