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PDP, the octopus, is spreading its ten(hundreds)tacles.
Use your votes well, na true I dey tell you,

Nsiman:
Going by your comments, U guys hate gej on prejudice not on basis

And you love him on "basis"? Go and read your own posts and you will be sorry at the level of your own credibility. Let us debate FACTS on Goodluck Jonathan. You

He will not leave easily. Like somebody said, when was the last time he heard an engaged tone on his phone or No from anybody!

uglybetty:
Who send them?

Precisely. Especially as you, an individual in Nigeria, know better than those people in Egypt what is in their best interests.

^^^

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-582664.0.html

http://english.ahram.org.eg/News/3365.aspx

Egypt's Muslims attend Coptic Christmas mass, serving as "human shields"

Egypt’s majority Muslim population stuck to its word Thursday night. What had been a promise of solidarity to the weary Coptic community, was honoured, when thousands of Muslims showed up at Coptic Christmas eve mass services in churches around the country and at candle light vigils held outside.
From the well-known to the unknown, Muslims had offered their bodies as “human shields” for last night’s mass, making a pledge to collectively fight the threat of Islamic militants and towards an Egypt free from sectarian strife.

“We either live together, or we die together,” was the sloganeering genius of Mohamed El-Sawy, a Muslim arts tycoon whose cultural centre distributed flyers at churches in Cairo Thursday night, and who has been credited with first floating the “human shield” idea.

Among those shields were movie stars Adel Imam and Yousra, popular Muslim televangelist and preacher Amr Khaled, the two sons of President Hosni Mubarak, and thousands of citizens who have said they consider the attack one on Egypt as a whole.

“This is not about us and them,” said Dalia Mustafa, a student who attended mass at Virgin Mary Church on Maraashly Street. “We are one. This was an attack on Egypt as a whole, and I am standing with the Copts because the only way things will change in this country is if we come together.”

In the days following the brutal attack on Saints Church in Alexandria, which left 21 dead on New Year’ eve, solidarity between Muslims and Copts has seen an unprecedented peak. Millions of Egyptians changed their Facebook profile pictures to the image of a cross within a crescent – the symbol of an “Egypt for All”. Around the city, banners went up calling for unity, and depicting mosques and churches, crosses and crescents, together as one.

The attack has rocked a nation that is no stranger to acts of terror, against all of Muslims, Copts and Jews. In January of last year, on the eve of Coptic Christmas, a drive-by shooting in the southern town of Nag Hammadi killed eight Copts as they were leaving Church following mass. In 2004 and 2005, bombings in the Red Sea resorts of Taba and Sharm El-Sheikh claimed over 100 lives, and in the late 90’s, Islamic militants executed a series of bombings and massacres that left dozens dead.

This attack though comes after a series of more recent incidents that have left Egyptians feeling left out in the cold by a government meant to protect them.

Last summer, 28-year-old businessman Khaled Said was beaten to death by police, also in Alexandria, causing a local and international uproar. Around his death, there have been numerous other reports of police brutality, random arrests and torture.

Last year was also witness to a ruthless parliamentary election process in which the government’s security apparatus and thugs seemed to spiral out of control. The result, aside from injuries and deaths, was a sweeping win by the ruling party thanks to its own carefully-orchestrated campaign that included vote-rigging, corruption and widespread violence. The opposition was essentially annihilated. And just days before the elections, Copts - who make up 10 percent of the population - were once again the subject of persecution, when a government moratorium on construction of a Christian community centre resulted in clashes between police and protestors. Two people were left dead and over 100 were detained, facing sentences of up to life in jail.

The economic woes of a country that favours the rich have only exacerbated the frustration of a population of 80 million whose majority struggle each day to survive. Accounts of thefts, drugs, and violence have surged in recent years, and the chorus of voices of discontent has continued to grow.

The terror attack that struck the country on New Year’s eve is in many ways a final straw – a breaking point, not just for the Coptic community, but for Muslims as well, who too feel marginalized, oppressed, and overlooked by a government that fails to address their needs. On this Coptic Christmas eve, the solidarity was not just one of religion, but of a desperate and collective plea for a better life and a government with accountability.

eewule:
You will hardly see a Moslem return such a favour. Most of them pretend to be peacefull people but are actually murderous folks. Both the Bible and Koran preach peace and love to your fellow man, but its only the christians that make effort to practice it. Allah forgive all fake Moslems who sin in the name of their holy book. There own version of hell is waiting for them.

Most muslims. There are 1b of them. and you can talk about 510million people?
If most are murderous, do you think anybody can walk freely in any place where there are muslims in the majority
Some violent places have majority christian population

mummy3:
I concurrred with you my brother.

When the minds of people are made up on negative things, they will not face up to facts. Tell me, have christians ever fought themselves?

Actually it is ignorance on the part of christians that is the greatest threat to peace. Muslims are under obligation to protect their allies.

But look at the larger picture, the christians for their own sake at that rally. The muslims are more. If they allow the pro-mubarak overwhelm the muslims, they (the christians) will be swiftly despatched

Also notice that the pro-mubarak thugs were firing into the square at night. I am not sure that the bullets could distinguish between the christians and the muslims. So those in the square are in the same boat - muslims and christians

Now ask yourself - have you ever had a muslim classmate in Nigeria? Did they ever come to your rescue in a fight? Or did they gang up with muslims from other schools to attack you? Be honest!

Ify27:
''''''Looking at the posts here, it is foolish for muslim to entrust his life into the hands of christians. The trademark of christians in Jos is to kill and dump the corpse in wells (Kuru Jenta, Jan 2010 and recently the wife of a STF commander). Without corpses, it is difficult to see the iniquities of chrsitians''''''

so instead of saying no i bet you would join shabe?

i thought it is a sin to kill

Go and read my posts. Let us be realistic - christians only believe negative things about Islam.
Last week, there was a post about a gay being killed in Uganda. There was nothing about religion on that thread. If it happened in Tunisia - it would be Islam, Islam. Yet 85% of Ugadans are christians while in Tunisia (since 1956) you cannot marry more than 1 wife!

I cannot really believe that muslims will be so violent and they are more than 1million in this country and we are not in perpetual turmoil.
A christian whose father was a muslim said here 99% of muslims are cold-blooded murderers. Will I entruest my life to such people. Yet they paint such a sanitised picture of christians you would think that there would be no crime wherever you find christians

If my life is in danger, I seriously doubt if a christian would help me, going by the posts here.
I am not talking about misunderstanding. I am talking about systematic, deliberate maligning of muslims. I know there are christian armed robbers. Such would also come here talking about how wicked muslims are

Navi:
diaz nothing lyk living in peace, muslim's frnds plz take note.

Exactly. Christians friends of IRA, Jukun christian friends of Tivs (vice versa), christian friends of ETA (spain) plz take note

Yinkade:
since when did muslims start praying while sitting on a chair, comeon that pic aint real nau

It is interesting that people know so little about Islam and pronounce authoritatively.
‘Imraan ibn Husayn said: “I had haemorrhoids and I asked the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) about that. He said, ‘Pray standing; if you cannot do that, then (pray) sitting; if you cannot do that then (pray) on your side.” Saheeh al-Bukhaari

thweraja10:
It can happen in Nigeria Christians can keep watch over muslims to do their things but muslims can burn up christians doing their own thing.

I wont be comfortable for muslims to guide me na suicide be that oooo

Looking at the posts here, it is foolish for muslim to entrust his life into the hands of christians. The trademark of christians in Jos is to kill and dump the corpse in wells (Kuru Jenta, Jan 2010 and recently the wife of a STF commander). Without corpses, it is difficult to see the iniquities of chrsitians

bigdoo:
Just a point of correction to fstranger1.  I know Soludo as UNN graduate and not Uniben.  He graduated from UNN (University of Nigeria Nsukka) in 1983 with a first class honours degree in Economics before pursuing his postgraduate studies and professional career.  I must tell you that UNN standard as at that time could compete even with Oxford standard if not better.  I too studied at UNN when the standard was indeed very high.  I have also sat in the same class with a graduate of Oxford university during my post graduate studies in a top university in London and I did not find anything special about the Oxford graduate in my class.  I even asked him what is so special about Oxford university and he told me that he did not see anything different between Oxford university and University of London.  All the hype about Oxford university is not real.  When you compete in the same class with graduates from Oxford university, you will find out that they don't even measure up.  This is from my own personal experience.  Academic-wise I feel that Soludo is by far brighter that Aganga.  Oxford university is only great by its name, their graduates are not better in any way.

Nobody can fault the academic brilliance of Soludo. And he is a prof while Aganga is not!
However this comparison of Oxford and UNN na wa.
So how many nobel prize did UNN get at that time compared to Oxford?
How many world class books did UNN lecturers author compared to Oxford?

If Bakare says that no, let us do it this way, because God told me
What will happen?

Will the Ijaws protect the Itsekiris like this?

Christians have a sanitised view of christianity that has no relationship with reality. Who make the most weapons? Who has caused the most wars? Who have killed the largest number of people = christians

Nigerian christians in particular will tell you thou shall not judge when you are talking about christians but they judge and abuse muslims all the time

Look at the posts here, even if a muslim kills himself to protect a christian, some will not believe it, some will be happy that, yes, that is one muslim less. Only a few will believe it

Kindly show me where christians have condemned any bad acts of christians

If somebody from Mars came upon this thread, he would be wondering why there are even police stations with homicide divisions in predominantly christian areas

Segeorex:
Quote from: kemisuga on Today at 01:46:27 PM
Wat is the prove that they are Christians

if they were muslims they too would be praying,

All muslims do not pray at the same time when they are under attack. This is not to dispute the post but to correct a wrong impression.

9ja voice:
it amazed me when people says egyptians are fighting one course? which one course?  How many of us here has been at cairo before?  Can anybody here sincerely say they are fighting for the good of their beloved country?  let me ask a question:  Do you think that  egyptians(muslims) will accept a better qualified christian egyptian president to rule them after mubarak vacuate the seat ?  the answer is "NO".  That woundn't happen.

Will America or any country with majority christian population accept a better qualified muslim US or fellow countryman president to rule them after the incumbent vacuate the seat ?  the answer is "NO".  That woundn't happen.

Democracy is by number by the way.
From our history, it is said that the SW did not allow Zik to rule in them while Zik on the other hand did not allow somebody from SS to rule in SE

9ja voice:
See! Mubarak this mubarak that, is just because they believe he is Isreali and western ally.  They want a president who will be a western(christians) and Isreal period enemy. Go to cairo "young christian ladies are missing on daily bases",abducted by muslim man and yet government can't do a thing to help out,after 5years or so they will allow the lady(that now mother of 2 or 3) to come out to meet the parents and come back ,yet police can't do a thing to this muslims, fighting for one course my foot.

When did Mubarak become US/Israeli ally? Yesterday? Is that the reason why they protested in Tunisia? or are protesting in Yemen, Jordan, Algeria? Because all those are US/Isreali ally?

Why do christians like to spread falsehood so much

Beaf:
The current administration is just 9 months old, so the bolded above is nonsensical. It was yar Adua's govt that promised and failed. We need some honesty in our discussions.

Thank God, there is positive movement in power supply at long last. We have waited many govts for this.

Johnathan became Acting President on Feb 9 2010 (upon which he reconstituted the cabinet and  changed the national security adviser. You cannot do that without real powers!) - that means in a week or so he will be 1 year old in office.

Thank God people posting here were old enough to know this

calaway:
@Righton:
You are losing sight of my point. Yes hausa people were killed and dumped in wells. But who drew the first blood? Who kills women and babies? who is more cruel? You dont expect christains in Jos to just sit back and watch hausa killed them do you?  You  see the Christians reacted to the aggressors.  You act as if you donot know your people. Hausa do not need a reason to unleash death to any soul. Others fight for land wealth money territory etc. But an hausa man can kill an Igbo man in kano cos a derogatory cartoon of Mohammed (SAW)was made in Denmark.  Even as we blog now HAUSA PEOPLE PLANTED A HUGE BOMB IN A CHURCH IN BAUCHI CITY. Truly you r not in a position to call any hausa man to order but you can spread the message in you mosque to you friend and i bet you the rippling effect will take hold and you will see a change.

Jos as it is now with all the tension is a total manifestation of Hausa desire.

People know the hausa character now. Just accpt it and create the change needed. REBRAND HAUSA.

All news out of Jos and indeed Nigeria to the internet are all lies especially SR and AP these news source are mongers of falsehood.
Anyway I dont expect a leopard to change his spots even and hausa soldier sent to enforce peace with the nations guns turn the barrels on babies.

HAUSA TRIES TO BOMB XTAIN CHURCH IN BAUCHI CITY. whos cow was stolen here?

You are rasing a lot issues and contradicting yourself
If the hausa leopard cannot change its skin, what is the essence of saying I should go and appeal in the mosque
If you continue to insist that christians cannot sit back, then do you think hausas will listen to any appeal for truce?
So why are you saying my people anyway?
Why do you think it is only the issue of cows that will make people fight
So you think christians are not killing women and babies - the wife of that STF commander is a woman
Look at the link that I posted and show me if christians have been the victims ALL the time
Now what media should I use since you have discredited AP and SR. Please do not quote Nigerian press - they kept very quiet when Muslims were dumped in wells last year but made sure they gave full coverage to the reprisals in march

As for drawing the first blood - read this story.

I Actually read it first in Next when the people were still surrounded and they sent a text message to anybody who could help them get a message across
I also saw the email by the owners of zamani Farms at Kuru jenta

http://carmenmccain./2010/01/23/massacre-at-kuru-jentakuru-karama/
http://234next.com/csp/cms/sites/Next/Home/5514478-146/jonathan_orders_troops_to_jos_religious.csp

calaway:
@ righton :  You are  one of the reasons the crisis in Jos still lingers lies beget negative manifestation. First of all I am disappointing that you walk the path of the of those that Kill babies and women in retaliation for 100 cows that where stolen. FYI this is the story the Police commissioner came up with to justify an attack on helpless villagers by Hausa killers escorted by soldiers of the Nigerian Army while the unsuspecting villagers slept. I believe that you are from the north and you more than any other blogger here must know that to rustle even 20cows is a herculean task for even 20 non fulani cattle thieves.  Unless the thieves brougth bicycles for each cow to quickly ride away with them, cows move very slowly and will not get far before the thieves are caught up with (100cows haha very likly).  Even the alleged Fulani owner of the said cows was not harmed so why must they go to kill women and children babies in place of cows? your group must really think very little of human life or is it christian life. Believe me you are not sounding civilized sympathizing with baby killers. Please correct you notion about the situation in Jos, There is no war raging there are only attacks by Hausa on Villages, Travellers, Students,Children,women,igbos,yorubas,tiv,idoma,calbar,igala, etc and Christians defending themselve against these attacks and of course advanceing in the course of defense sometimes. Tell me of any time there has been a breach of peace in Jos that did not originate from th Hausa baby killers quarters. Even savage warlords have rules of engagment, babies,women and strangers are never dragged into a war if ever there is one. Have you ever heard that Hausa women or Children where killed in any christain defence? Look call a spade a spade and let us take positive steps
towards peaceful living.
I have never been in favor of killing any human being but we all know that if left unchecks these Hausa killers will kill every soul until their authority is not challenged or their objective attained. You r not helping matters too. Ask them to stop the killing and give peace a chance and stop dragging the Hausa tribe in disrepute. You can fool some people sometimes but not all the time.

Jega has pedigree as far as you know or want to believe but ask you self what sort a person would forget the aspirations of 150mlln pips
thrusted upon his shoulders (dont talk about all the money given him) and selfisly say to the hearing of the world that if he is exposed to any pressure he will resign the sensitive office at this crucial time. (in otherwords I got Nigeria by the balls).Good pedigree by your standards.

My friend get real your not the only smart poeple in Nigeria.

You are mistaken. Who is claiming to be smart. You started an anlysis in your post but ruined it because of bias. When there are silent killings by both sides, what do you call it? When muslims dress like christians when going to christian-dominated areas and vice versa, what is that. When a hausa electoral officer being escorted by soldiers is attacked and killed, what is that? You think all these will happen in Lagos, Abakaliki, Makurdi now.

I posted links to show that hausas have been victims, it does not matter. We must keep insisting that it is just the hausas, the hausas only. During Ijaw Itsekiri war, were the aggressors hausas, in Umuleri/aguleri? ife/modakeke? Face reality, anybody attack reprisal attacks after fighting gets to a point. And this cycle continues. Blaming one party as you are benton doing will never solve the problem

So it is only the hausas that have been attacking since over 10 years ago? What about the people dumped in the well. Let us acknowledge facts of life and human behaviour. Do you know that I have observed that it is very, very difficult for a christian to admit that christians have done anything bad. Yet there are a lot of criminals in the SE. I used that example because christians dominate the region. Does it occur to you that they regard themselves as christians? Do you know that people like them may be in Jos? I am not exonerating anyone. To find peace, we need to re-examine our assumptions

In that situation, desire for vengeance is overwhelming. If I carry away a christian's taxi and he knows where it is, what do you think he will do? Do you think that while coming to my area in an environment of silent killings, he will not arm himself. Forget the fact that the person is a Nigerian, anyone will not enter a dangerous place without weapons and the person will use it if attacked. That is human nature. Is that what happened in Jos, I don't know. But I am sure that the hausas tried to recover their cows and they wnet on that mission armed.

You will notice that people carry guns all over Jos now - irrespective of tribe and religion.

Do you seriously think that you are more civilised than me. Do you think it does not take a re-orientation to kill children? Do you think it is everyone who has taken a life in error or deliberately that will be able to sleep soundly at night? Forget writing on the internet and cheering one side, real lives are bring lost. Dreams are being truncated, hopes are bing dashed, widows are being made, sorrow continue to deepen, warm faces are being replaced with bitter and spiteful, mien. These are realities in a lot of homes. Has it occurred to you that hausa victims also include babies and women? Do you think my response justifies killing women and children. My point is this - if you cry about women and children of one group, you need to do that for the other. Otherwise you act in accordance to the southerner's views held  that hausas are no better than their cows. From this position, the hausa will not also see you as human beings. Again, my point is that fighting to death never solves any problem. It just fuels the next round

You believe that hausas are always the aggressors. Is that confirmed? During the civil war, we assumed that everybody in the North was the aggressor. Now we have identified the sole aggressor as the Hausa. Consistency please

You are talking as if I live in Jos and I can call anybody to order. When you say if left unchecked these killings will allow the hausas kill every soul. Now  how do you reconcile these two positions. Every time you take action to check the other party or teach him not to mess with you, he has a fresh reason to attack

Look at this
http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2011/01/27/nigeria-new-wave-violence-leaves-200-dead

ddc machine:
The violence in the north is an handwriting on the wall which simply means that as a s.southerner is definitely going to win the April polls as president, there's the need for violence to stimulate the military to take over which may favor them. God forbid that the military takes over!

There was a state of emergency in Jos when Obasanjo was President! Boko Haram first took on the Nigerian state under Yaradua. Tell another lie.

Limaoscar:
Yep you're right. it will NOT!!!

Blakanisation! Forget it. My own person must rule over the entire 6 GPZ before any breakup!

calaway:
. Last week when 18 women and babies where killed in a local governmt in Jos the Pollice commissioner Abdul,   issued a statement that the killing of these babies and women was in retaliation for the theft of 100cows. How can you think that people who equate human life with cows are reasonable and justice serving?  
You dont think that the disgruntled Hausa/fulani will allow plateau state An atmosphere that is conducive for registration, normal business activities and life if it will give the Plateau indigene a chance to selve determination do u? Lets get real and place the blame at the right doorstep. People are Dying stop talk politics and condemn the Impunity of the Hausa.

Right b4 us another sequence of hausa impunity is played out in the person of JEGA and I dont see you stirring up the waters now, I gues you are waiting for the dawn of total failure to place the blame on Govt(JEG). We know that Never in the History of Nigeria has any electoral umpire been given all the funding as requested but this was the case with Jega. and yet he failed to give basic training to the field workers, even now he is boldly asking for more oil money to help him capture ten finger prints for each eligible voter or else the exercise will not succeed. we all know that no two individuals have identical thumb prints so why not allow the process continue as it is instead of creating avenues for chopping money. Th sad part is that the entire populace Nigerians go along with him cos he is Hausa instead of challenging the rational behind the new procedure (He will soon ask for toeprints or even pic of the back of Nigerian heads as a basis for more wood for the fire). There is no patriotism in these people imagine this former VC of Bayero University openly threatened to resign from INEC, If he  perceives any pressure from Govt(He made this statement on Hausa service of BBC).  How convenient he has collected his share so let is spoil who cares. This culture of impunity by the Huasa/fulani must be address by exposing, resisting and dismantling the basis of the unnatural positioning. The like of you must stop asking other Nigerians to strike a balance by rolling over to get screwed in the interest of peace. This contry belongs to every one if we must be in it.

A lot of clever but UNTRUE arguments. People fight over several things - insult, women, resources etc. In the present situation in Jos, if the Hausas steal anything belonging to the Beroms, the Beroms will arrange to recover it. So going after those cows is to be expected. You cannot take another person's means of livelihood and expect to keep it without the owner doing anything about it. And will the hausas seek to recover those cows without carrying arms. Even in the best of times, nobody will do that let alone a time of war when you are going into enemy's territory

Condemning only the Hausas will serve no useful purpose at this stage. There are now silent killings everywhere. Ibos are sending their wives and children home already. The commander of STF has been a victim
http://www.burningpot.com/frontpage/2246-jos-wife-of-task-force-commander-murdered

You will notice that the idea of hiding corpses is modus operandi of the christians. It was first noticed in a year ago
http://thenationonlineng.net/web2/articles/33671/1/Jos-crisis-150-corpses-found-in-village-wells/Page1.html
http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/01/23/us-nigeria-clashes-idUSTRE60M0RR20100123

Turning to Jega. You are certainly biased. Jega was appointed in a rush after the Americans forced Jonathan to sack Iwu. Of course Jega has got the money he wanted. Let us not forget that ordering that large number of DDC machines within a narrow time window put INEC at the mercy of the suppliers. If they fail, Jega is done for. And we know that Avante has defaulted.

We are still in January when the registration should have ended, yet the machine came into this country this month. Let us assume that  they came in by 1st week of January, INEC had only 1 week to train those guys before deploying them by 15 of January. This is not just about money

Let me tell you another thing about the problem INEC is facing. They could not do any redelineation of centres. They simply adopted the centres inherited from Iwu. So you find people in built up areas having more machines than newly developing areas. You can register in Yaba in minutes but not so in Ogijo - a suburb of Ikorodu.  
People have been lenient with Jega because of his pedigree not because he is Hausa. Afterall, you guys keep calling his fellow northerners Atiku, IBB thieves forgetting that have done their bit too in damaging this economy.

adconline:
Some people and their way of thinking. Some of these Ugandans dont have the balls to demonstrate  like the Arabs against  their life time President, Museveni, whose wife is also  a cabinet minister , but only take in fun killing an innocent man whose sexuality did not in anyway contribute to their misfortune and poverty. They are poor, ignorant, and gutless folks. It's corruption that has killed and continues to kill Africa, not sexuality.

Of course becoming gay is the way to go, isn't it? Is that what catapulted Chinese economy to no 2 or Japan to no 3? Nigerians living abroad often reject anything Nigerian as long as it contradicts what they are led to believe in the west. I did not see any hue and cry from Ukrainians when the govt refused the adoption request by Bono and said that they did not believe that Bono (and his partner-in-crime) was married in the eyes of Ukrainian custom.

Nigerians living in the west want to belong, quickly embrace aberrant ideas, look down on the customs of their country, posture as being  civilised. But I have not seen what this set 'with their superior intellect" have contributed to shape the thinking of the "new society they belong to"

manny4life:
Why do u think I asked him if he has been following the thread since the second page

I really don't understand what the fuss is all about; murder can NEVER be justified like some people say "Immoral act" thought I disagree with them but let's assume it for a sec. They have a right to practice whatever they choose, so let them be. They are not forcing you to accept them, in fact whether you accept them or not, it's irrelevant, all they asking for is the "right" and "freedom" to express who they are.

It is not murder - it is execution. People are put on the electric chair, injected with substance all the time as part of criminal justice administration
If people don't like justice, they should not cross the judicial system

eldee:
They don't want you to like what they do, all they want is to be accorded their rights as human beings and not selecting when you want to obey the rule of law.

Ok. Please can you enforce my neighbour's "right" to marry his 21 year old younger sister or to ravish his dog, or pump the corpses that he watches over at Atan cementary. Please be tolerant

Right, my ? They don't have it. They should just take hemlock!

queensmith:
Its really funny you should say that- there are groups that are pushing for acceptance of 'love between young boys and grown men'
pedophillia is accepted in africa isnt it?? or where else can a grown man sleep with a 12 year old and not fear prison?
when u really think of it necrophiliacs are doing no one any harm?? so maybe one day they will be accepted! ( the idea is hilarious)

but yes homosexuality is a perversion, but since its not harming anybody they should be left alone! people dont have to like it   they just have to live with it!

Of course every group wants to sell its perversion to people. You can sleep with 13 year old in Spain, Comoros and Burkina Faso. Of course I cannot imagine the children of a deceased not feeling severely aggrieved if they catch a man pumping their dead mum.
Homosexuality carry more health risks. They transmit infections faster. Some of them have to wear diapers. Just go to any nearby HIV/AIDS centre and take statistics.
We depend a lot on foreign aids to fight HIV in Nigeria

queensmith:
Its really funny you should say that- there are groups that are pushing for acceptance of 'love between young boys and grown men'
pedophillia is accepted in africa isnt it?? or where else can a grown man sleep with a 12 year old and not fear prison?
when u really think of it necrophiliacs are doing no one any harm?? so maybe one day they will be accepted! ( the idea is hilarious)
are we no longer talking about uganda?? or did uganda become London overnight and im the last to hear about it??

Lets start with its very poor economy!
moooving on to the children with aids and the orphans that roam the streets
on to the fact they regularly suffer from drought
then we can move on to most of its children not having primary school educations
the healthcare in that country is DISGUSTING

or did what some men do in the privacy of their bedrooms all of a sudden become more important?

hatred is a terrible thing!

Uganda has been among the rare HIV success stories, one of the reasons being openness.[35] In the 1980s, more than 30% of Ugandan residents had HIV; this had fallen to 6.4% by the end of 2008, the most effective national response to AIDS of any African country

In 2000, Uganda was included in the Heavily Indebted Poor Countries (HIPC) debt relief initiative worth $1.3 billion and Paris Club debt relief worth $145 million. These amounts combined with the original HIPC debt relief added up to about $2 billion. In 2006 the Ugandan Government successfully paid all their debts to the Paris Club, which meant that it was no longer in the (HIPC) list.

Suppose the Ugadans do not want to become "London". There is a trade off for most things. Suppose the preservation of their way of life is more important than a rapid increase in GDP. BTW the Ugadans have received more commendation than most countries for their battle against HIV/AIDS. Perhaps their commendable stance against homosexuality is part of the strategy fro curtailing HIV prevalence.

And the argument that until ALL their problems (including natural disasters) end, they must tolerate an idea that will snowball into huge social and economic problems in the future to fester is silly

Ugadans have the right to hate homos and their deadly lifestyle

olojoro:
I think the kind of rhetoric directed towards homosexuals is quite extreme a lot of the time. I think it's normal that some are disgusted by and opposed to homosexuality, but the comments are sometimes so hateful, that it seems obvious to me the intent is to hurt people. To each his own I guess, it just seems like a very petty and insensitive way to object to something.

What is wrong in hating perverts who argue that perversion is normal? If they admit they are sick, the issue can be dealt with like other forms of afflictions. But they say no, if you are opposed to us, you must be secretly gay. So that argument makes everyone opposed to homosexuality closet gays the same way defence of properties make vigilante groups looters at heart.

queensmith:
I read about the story not long ago- its really sad  

u would think ugandans will have far more important things to worry about than a few gay men!

hopefully the rest will fear for thier lives and keep themselves private

freedom of holding your gay partners hand in public is overrated

its not worth dying for imo

Important things like? And you are the judge of what they should focus on? While "millions of clueless Ugadans" cannot identify their priorities, you with your supehuman intellect can. Right?

Babalegba:
Nigeria, the country of ne'er do wells now has her citizens advocating murder for what is to many a natural affliction. I worked with gays in the uk and the average one has more truth in his life than the average hypocritical, lying, stealing, boastful, evil, greedy , brutish nigerian. I hope you will not be upset the next time you religious nigerian "intellectuals" see a video of a hapless black man being lynched by the KKK for being black and yes only errant pastors are meant to be defended with the words "judge not". A nation with upside down moral values pretending to have some semblance of virtue.

Please go to your country of ever-do-wells. And please take your fellow gays along

kosoro:
Such killing is satanic and whoever supports it for whatever reason is equally satanic. Period. Such is exactly the thinking of terrorists - that if you are not a muslim, you are an infidel and do not deserve to live. You can't hate terrorism and embrace senseless killing of a fellow human-being because of their sexual orientation. That's double standard. You can't have your cake and eat it.

This is also a satanic argument. terrorists kill for various reasons - ETA in spain on account of ethnicity, Tamil Tigers for same, IRA for religion/ethnicity etc. Don't mix up issues

If a society says it doesn't want drug dealing, faggotry, armed robbery etc, doing away with the guilty is not senseless killing or murder; it is justice

johnkent:
Most people who usually speak very strongly against homosexuality turn out to be gay themselves.
And for Nigerians in Nigeria, U might not believe the statistics, but there are more gays in Nigeria than in all of Africa combined.
As long as Human race exists, there will always be the White and Black race and as long as both races exist, there will always be gays and heterosexuals.
We just have to deal with it regardless of our religious beliefs. If you can't, this is the one time I would be an advocate for suicide. Take Your OWN life and maybe this world would be a much better and safer place for our kids to live in.
Thanks

The suicide should be committed by the homos. And where was this census taken? At whose instance? Who funded it? How was the result disseminated.
Your gay agenda shows, but keep it in the US. The country has enough landmass to take all Nigerian gays and more.

SEFAGO:
Man I am going to get an email/personal image from the moderator for sure. LOL another sefago derailed thread. I gotta stop this.

Your discussion is interesting. But you really need to focus it by opening a thread for it. A lot of people who would have benefitted from your discussions may not see it because they might be put off by the title of the thread

[quote author=Riff-Raff link=topic=593966.msg7631591#msg7631591 date=1296355843]Its Amazin how Ignorant Some People Can be.
Oh, d Next Time i See a Chinese, a Muslim & an Arsenal Football Club Supporter, I will Kill Him Because i dont like China, Islam & Arsenal,  Crazy Logic.
Because u dont Like Gays Doesnt Mean they dont Have d Right 2 Exist.
If 2 Conscentin Same sex Adults Decide 2 Have a Relationship, that is Not my Problem. Wateva People Sexual Orientation is thier own Business as Long as they are Not Hurtin Anybody Else.
2 Relate Homosexualism 2 Phedophilia, Beastiality & co is just Plain Rubbish. How does Molestin an underage Kid equate 2 Homosexualism?
U just cant have a Reasonable Discussion with Some People.
Dont Let your Emotions Blind u.
Simple Question Why do u Hate Homosexuals?
I have looked at d Whole Arguement From d Moral, Religious & Other Perspective,  My Conclusion is: People have d Right 2 Their Sexuality.
Some will say it is Not "Natural" then Why are People Exhibitin d Trait if it is Not Natural? What Exactly is Natural? Isnt Sexuality Part of Nature?
Because u hate Something Doesnt Mean other People Shouldnt Live With it.
Homophobia is Not Enough Reason 4 Homosexuals 2 Cease Existin If Not, We should Condone Racism (KKK anyone), Murder, Sharia e.t.c[/quote]They don't have the right to exist, at least not in Nigeria
So because some people enjoy serial killing, we should say it is natural? As for paedophilia, who is an underaged kid? Less than 13 as in Spain or under-15 as in Sweden?
2 consenting adults! What about incest? What about the health implications of homo behaviour - I hope you know that some adults use diapers because of those abnormal traits? Of course, STI rate is higher for homos

SEFAGO:
Really why dont we start with you? Wanna be the appetizer?

Why? Is he gay or a lesbian. The recommendation is right - homos should go to the void!