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IslamRe: What's The Proper Punishment For A Muslim Apostate? by Rilwayne001: 9:40pm On Jun 22, 2016
lexiconkabir:
You have to study the science of hadith, to fully grasp why i am so rigid on this issue, and why i believe in all ahadith classed as SAHIH.
Okay.

This verse doesnt refers to apostates, or does it?
It refers to it, unless you can prove otherwise.


Surah Yunus, Verse 99:
وَلَوْ شَاءَ رَبُّكَ لَآمَنَ مَن فِي الْأَرْضِ كُلُّهُمْ جَمِيعًا أَفَأَنتَ تُكْرِهُ النَّاسَ حَتَّىٰ يَكُونُوا مُؤْمِنِينَ

And [thus it is:] had thy Sustainer so willed, all those who live on earth would surely have attained to faith, all of them: dost thou, then, think that thou couldst compel people to believe,
IslamRe: What's The Proper Punishment For A Muslim Apostate? by Rilwayne001: 9:29pm On Jun 22, 2016
lexiconkabir:
ALL SAHIH ahadith are revelation, some sahih hadith might not go down well with you if you dont have the proper understanding of it, so get the proper understanding, you need to study.
grin grin we all need it. However we need to scrutinize whatever we are been taught.

Leave the Bible out of this, the Quran has made it clear that the bible is not a book to be followed
Still doesn't change the fact that the writers of the hadith were not eye witness just like the writer of the Bible.


Yes, All SAHIH AHADITH are revelation, the most healthy book on earth is the Quran, followed by Bukhari, i hope that answers your Question.
The fact the Quran is followed by Bukhari makes the Quran more viable than it in all way. And so the Quran says"let those who reject faith reject, Allah (swt) will judge them" and the hadith says"kill all those who reject faith" isn't this outright contradiction?


WAllahi i used to think in your line in the past, but i have tried to study more, hence my line of thinking changed.
And since you are no longer thinking in that line, would you kill any of your relative should they abandon faith? **3rd time**
IslamRe: What's The Proper Punishment For A Muslim Apostate? by Rilwayne001: 9:11pm On Jun 22, 2016
lexiconkabir:
Muslims takes rulings from the authentic sayings of the prophet and the Quran, if the Quran keeps Quiet about the punishment of apostates, doesnt mean it contradicts the hadith of the prophet.
This falls back to the question asked in my last post: Remember hadith were written centuries after him"what makes you think that all that he was alleged to have said was truly said by him?"


And how is this not inline? youve not given us a verse that tells them to go scot free,
Surah Al-Kahf, Verse 29:
وَقُلِ الْحَقُّ مِن رَّبِّكُمْ فَمَن شَاءَ فَلْيُؤْمِن وَمَن شَاءَ فَلْيَكْفُرْ إِنَّا أَعْتَدْنَا لِلظَّالِمِينَ نَارًا أَحَاطَ بِهِمْ سُرَادِقُهَا وَإِن يَسْتَغِيثُوا يُغَاثُوا بِمَاءٍ كَالْمُهْلِ يَشْوِي الْوُجُوهَ بِئْسَ الشَّرَابُ وَسَاءَتْ مُرْتَفَقًا

And say: "The truth [has now come] from your Sustainer: let, then, him who wills, believe in it, and let him who wills, reject it." Verily, for all who sin against themselves [by rejecting Our truth] We have readied a fire whose billowing folds will encompass them from all sides; and if they beg for water, they will be given water [hot] like molten lead, which will scald their faces: how dreadful a drink, and how evil a place to rest!<< unless you want to give this another interpretation of yours. It evident here that the Almighty wants us to know that he is the only one that have the right to punish them.


this is what we call contradiction, you have a misunderstanding of these things i must say.
Well, that's you opinion.


They are both revelations from Allah, and we must adhere to both in order to be guided, the prophet said, if we hold on to these two weighty things, we will never go astray.
Refer back to my first question.


I seriously don't wanna go further.
Neither do i. I however find this ridiculous.
IslamRe: What's The Proper Punishment For A Muslim Apostate? by Rilwayne001: 8:35pm On Jun 22, 2016
lexiconkabir:
Why cancel the part where i asked, "hope you know hadith is also revelation",,
I didn't cancel it sir. I believe hadith are revelations but not all. Just like the Bible, is the mixture of truth and false. I however believe we can remove the false with the quran. And then my questions are:
Are all hadiths revelation from Allah? Is the hadith superior to the Quran?

the Quranic verse you quoted does not in anyway contradict this hadith,
Maybe you should answer my question then.

moreover, we are asked to follow the messenger, [/quran]

Yes.

[quote]as the Quran fully confirms that he doesn't say anything except he is being inspired to say it.
But what makes you think that all that he was alleged to have said was truly said by him?

Just like the Bible, what makes you think all that was written about Jesus was not truly about him?
IslamRe: What's The Proper Punishment For A Muslim Apostate? by Rilwayne001: 8:23pm On Jun 22, 2016
lexiconkabir:
How does this contradict the hadith?
Can you then tell me why Allah (swt) didn't proclaim death for those who abandon faith in that verse, instead, he said he would bring forth people who will love him?

Here is another one:
Surah Aal-e-Imran, Verse 90:
إِنَّ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا بَعْدَ إِيمَانِهِمْ ثُمَّ ازْدَادُوا كُفْرًا لَّن تُقْبَلَ تَوْبَتُهُمْ وَأُولَٰئِكَ هُمُ الضَّالُّونَ

Verily, as for those who are bent on denying the truth after having attained to faith, and then grow [ever more stubborn] in their refusal to acknowledge the truth, their repentance [of other sins] shall not be accepted: for it is they who have truly gone astray .<<<we see Allah Almighty rejecting the faith of those who keep coming back and forth to Islam. In order for a human being to accept Islam as his religion, he must be certain about it first. Allah Almighty's path is wide open, and his mercy is greater than this universe. This Holy Verse also does not order the death of those who leave Islam.


BTW you don't believe in hadith?
No, I do believe. However I don't believe those ones that are not in line with the Quran.

Or you just follow the ones that suits you?
The ones that suits? In what quest if I may ask?

Hope you know hadith is also a revelation?
Is it superior to the Quranhuh
IslamRe: What's The Proper Punishment For A Muslim Apostate? by Rilwayne001: 8:08pm On Jun 22, 2016
lexiconkabir:
Are you going to follow your whims, or you gonna follow clear proofs?
I still can't see the clear proof there. The Quran says one thing, and the hadith says the other, isn't it obvious that there is a problem somewhere?

Like she asked above, if your sister abandon the religion, would you kill her?

Thinngs like these makes me really sick sad
IslamRe: What's The Proper Punishment For A Muslim Apostate? by Rilwayne001: 8:05pm On Jun 22, 2016
lexiconkabir:
Because?
Surah Al-Maeda, Verse 54:
يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا مَن يَرْتَدَّ مِنكُمْ عَن دِينِهِ فَسَوْفَ يَأْتِي اللَّهُ بِقَوْمٍ يُحِبُّهُمْ وَيُحِبُّونَهُ أَذِلَّةٍ عَلَى الْمُؤْمِنِينَ أَعِزَّةٍ عَلَى الْكَافِرِينَ يُجَاهِدُونَ فِي سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ وَلَا يَخَافُونَ لَوْمَةَ لَائِمٍ ذَٰلِكَ فَضْلُ اللَّهِ يُؤْتِيهِ مَن يَشَاءُ وَاللَّهُ وَاسِعٌ عَلِيمٌ

O you who have attained to faith! If you ever abandon your faith," God will in time bring forth [in your stead] people whom He loves and who love Him - humble towards the believers, proud towards all who deny the truth: [people] who strive hard in God's cause, and do not fear to be censured by anyone who might censure them: such is God's favour, which He grants unto whom He wills. And God is infinite, all-knowing.

undecided
IslamRe: What's The Proper Punishment For A Muslim Apostate? by Rilwayne001: 8:03pm On Jun 22, 2016
Antina:
Ask him ooo, sheikh Agege sometimes ago laid emphasis on some these hadith quotations that there are some wrong ones which we all know prophet cannot say, people are shouting here and there that he doesn't knw what he is saying, so, in a case where God says and prophet says to Sahih Buhari says, please which one do we count as authentic?
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IslamRe: What's The Proper Punishment For A Muslim Apostate? by Rilwayne001: 7:39pm On Jun 22, 2016
lexiconkabir:
Your Question will be answered by theses following points,


(1) This is the ruling of Allaah and His Messenger, as the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "Whoever changes his religion, kill him." (reported by al-Bukhaari, al-Fath, no. 3017).

(2) The one who has known the religion which Allaah revealed, entered it and practised it, then rejected it, despised it and left it, is a person who does not deserve to live on the earth of Allaah and eat from the provision of Allaah.

(3) By leaving Islaam, the apostate opens the way for everyone who wants to leave the faith, thus spreading apostasy and encouraging it.

(4) The apostate is not to be killed without warning. Even though his crime is so great, he is given a last chance, a respite of three days in which to repent. If he repents, he will be left alone; if he does not repent, then he will be killed.

(5) If the punishment for murder and espionage (also known as high treason) is death, then what should be the punishment for the one who disbelieves in the Lord of mankind and despises and rejects His religion? Is espionage or shedding blood worse than leaving the religion of the Lord of mankind and rejecting it?

(6) None of those who bleat about personal freedom and freedom of belief would put up with a neighbour’s child hitting their child or justify this as "personal freedom," so how can they justify leaving the true religion and rejecting the sharee’ah which Allaah revealed to teach mankind about His unity and bring justice and fairness to all?
Smh.. angry sad

I don't accept this.
FashionRe: Miss Nairaland Contest 2016 - Elimination Round 2 by Rilwayne001: 11:35am On Jun 21, 2016
I vote
Lanicky
Mysticgal
Refiner
Ivvy
Mimzy
Optional1

Etc.. Etc... grin

Cc: nljega
PoliticsRe: Sahara Reporters Unveils Fayose's Number by Rilwayne001: 11:13am On Jun 21, 2016
Demmzy15:
Did he reply you?
Yes, he replied me once. I asked him where he sees himself after his tenure as Ekiti governor. He replied by saying God is his driver and only him knows. I tried to further question him, but he wouldn't reply.

His number has been unveiled by SR for a while now. Other governors inclusive.
PoliticsRe: Sahara Reporters Unveils Fayose's Number by Rilwayne001: 5:10am On Jun 21, 2016
The clown is on WhatsApp. I chatted with him sometimes ago.
Christianity EtcRe: The Salvation Plan by Rilwayne001: 9:07pm On Jun 20, 2016
WarRLaY:
*About the rotating bible, I thought and still think the holy spirit rotated the bible ..
Holy spirit rotates the Bible? Lol! For what reason or purpose do you think the Bible is being rorated?

If you ask me, I see no purpose really. Seems more like a very poor magic that you couldn't notice. Smh.
FashionRe: Miss Nairaland Contest 2016 - Elimination Round 1 by Rilwayne001: 1:25pm On Jun 20, 2016
I vote

Mysticgal
Lanicky
Mimzy
MissGdope
Ivvy
Refiner
Optional1
Diasyluv



Cc: NLjega
Christianity EtcRe: The Salvation Plan by Rilwayne001: 9:55am On Jun 20, 2016
DuchessLily:
At the bolded - in an alternate realilty the man didn't answer in that way ... If he had, the story would have ended there I'm sure.... But in the man's egocentricity (as it is with men usually ) he said " ...... its the woman U gave me...... " the reason men are left to find their own wives now... Since adam put d blame on God for his (adam's) stupidity
well I guess Adam and eve would be in hell on the day of judgement, or what do you think?
Christianity EtcRe: The Salvation Plan by Rilwayne001: 9:50am On Jun 20, 2016
vizkiz:
Like I mentioned earlier today. when you discover his mightiness you wouldn't be able to THINK
Well, I guess the underlined is the exact point the op was trying to make. grin


and elaborate with mortal intelligence
More intelligence? Can you elaborate your point here?
Christianity EtcRe: A Test: Do You Have The True Jesus? by Rilwayne001: 5:07pm On Jun 19, 2016
Oladim001:
Rilwayne001 see the way they are arguing their own religion. Confused set of people hahaha.
Oladeegbu is even more confused than truthman2012, only that the latter is just the opposite of his moniker..
Christianity EtcRe: A Test: Do You Have The True Jesus? by Rilwayne001: 4:51pm On Jun 19, 2016
Princewell2012:
Yes you have a point there.

But remember he left with a phisical body?
perhaps he was walking around naked, because we are told that his burial clothes were seen in the tomb.

Naked God.. Lol grin
Christianity EtcRe: Why Always Islam!!!! by Rilwayne001: 10:42pm On Jun 18, 2016
gimakon:
Smh, you are Blind. Christianity and Judaism is like the distance from the earth and the sky.
You are joking right? grin
PhonesRe: Unboxing The Tecno Camon C9 In Pictures by Rilwayne001: 9:07pm On Jun 18, 2016
Cute though, but na money kill am.
CrimeRe: Pastor And Apostle In Gay Sex In Enugu (photos) by Rilwayne001: 10:25pm On Jun 17, 2016
Smh

EducationRe: DIRECT ENTRY Admissions 2016 by Rilwayne001: 10:12pm On Jun 17, 2016
taiwo05:
saw a guy who submitted after admission, that y I said not really. and moreover it of no used. maybe future reference
Thank you very much sire....
EducationRe: DIRECT ENTRY Admissions 2016 by Rilwayne001: 8:49pm On Jun 17, 2016
GSteve001:
There is a deadline! Though they may not announce it. They.ll stop collecting few days after the reg closes. If you are not sure, visit their office. But for pete's sake speed things up grin
Okay! Thanks sire smiley
EducationRe: DIRECT ENTRY Admissions 2016 by Rilwayne001: 5:59pm On Jun 17, 2016
taiwo05:
hmmm not really man, but just submit b4 you were given admission of ya sch..
Sure
EducationRe: 2016/2017 UTME And Admission Process Thread by Rilwayne001: 5:59pm On Jun 17, 2016
littlemistress:
Does anyone know if UNILORIN has announced the sale of its screening form (post utme) for 2016/2017??

cc: rilwayne001
Not yet. It should be around July ending or early August.
EducationRe: DIRECT ENTRY Admissions 2016 by Rilwayne001: 4:34pm On Jun 17, 2016
taiwo05:
hey dia z always a deadline for submission of transcription, 2014 it was early Sept, and list was out in October, last yr ws early Oct sub ends.
get ya fact right, transcript is part of the requirement needed for admission and it impossible to screen all candidate in two weeks it take more than a month to before the list is out.
Is there any deadline for Jamb submission of credentials?
IslamRe: Terrorism Of Salafism VS Islamic Rules Of Engagement by Rilwayne001: 4:21pm On Jun 17, 2016
MrOlai:
For innocent minds that might be following, the OP is a shia.
I was actually expecting you to counter his point and not tell us that he is a shia. Are those truly the rules of engagement as according to salafism?

I am willing to learn.
PoliticsRe: Boko Haram Launches Radio Station, Goes On Air by Rilwayne001: 3:29am On Jun 17, 2016
Liamm:
Still doesn't change the fact that you're an APC dunderhead. grin
And so in the pithy aphorism, you didn't attack me because you find fault in my signature-you know clearly there was not-but you attacked me because you suppose that I am an apc supporter... Lol.

I know doofus like you. I will sure pass. cool
CrimeRe: Ritualists Murder Pregnant Woman In Kwara, Remove Foetus by Rilwayne001: 7:57pm On Jun 16, 2016
cry cry
PoliticsRe: Boko Haram Launches Radio Station, Goes On Air by Rilwayne001: 7:47pm On Jun 16, 2016
Liamm:
see your life? I don correct you now you no wan take correction.... You dey form prof.... grin


But that's none of my business though... cool
Goat! Since you are too blind to see that the word 'cogito....' in my siggy is embedded with a link to my diary where the meaning of cogito ergo sum was revealed, instead, you just pop up and started calling me all sort of names. Well, I pardon your stupidity. Would you now go back and click on the link to educate yourself?

Yo-yo grin
PoliticsRe: Buhari Extends Stay In London Till Sunday by Rilwayne001: 1:05pm On Jun 16, 2016
I said it. grin

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