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I ask a simple question, where in the bible Jesus command it followers to worship Mary ? Were did muhammed got this idea from ? Instead you guys are qouting catholic prayer book for me. The first brother even make sense more than you guys.

malvisguy212:
there are many places the people wanted to worship the disciples and even the prophet, but they were rebuke BUT Jesus never rebuke thoes who worship Him.

Jesus was worshipped by various people the wise men, the disciples, a leper, a synagogue official, a woman of Canaan, Mother of Zebedee's children, a blind man, angels, and everybody in heaven.
The Bible clearly indicates that God alone is to be worshipped, if this people were wrong Jesus would have rebuke them.

Jesus claimed to have many of the
attributes that God alone possesses.
Jesus claimed to have sent the prophets:

"Therefore, behold, I am sending you
prophets and wise men and scribes;
some of them you will kill and crucify,
and some of them you will scourge in
your synagogues, and persecute from city to city, ( Matthew 23:34)

However, the Old Testament indicates
that God sent the prophets. Therefore,
Jesus was claiming the authority that was previously reserved only for God.

Jesus claimed that His origins are from
heaven, whereas men are from the
world:

"And no one has ascended into heaven,
but He who descended from heaven,
even the Son of Man. ( John 3:13)

And He was saying to them, "You are
from below, I am from above; you are
of this world, I am not of this world.
( John 8:23)

Not only did Jesus claim to come from
heaven, but He said that it was "my
kingdom" Isn't heaven God's kingdom?
that you may eat and drink at My table
in My kingdom, and you will sit on
thrones judging the twelve tribes of
Israel. ( Luke 22:30)

Jesus answered, "My kingdom is not of
this world. If My kingdom were of this
world, then My servants would be
fighting, that I might not be delivered
up to the Jews; but as it is, My kingdom
is not of this realm." ( John 18:36)

Jesus claimed to have existed before He
was born in Bethlehem:

"I tell you the truth," Jesus answered,
"before Abraham was born, I am!" At
this, they picked up stones to stone him,
but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds. ( John 8:58-59)

The claim included the term "I am" - a
reference God made of Himself when
talking to Moses. The Jews immediately recognized that Jesus was claiming to be God and attempted to stone Him.

Jesus also claimed to have existed
"before the world began":

"And now, Father, glorify me in your
presence with the glory I had with you
before the world began." ( John 17:5)

This statement is an obvious claim to
deity. Not only did Jesus claim to exist
before the creation of the universe, but
He claimed to share the glory of God!
Jesus also claimed that He had "all
authority... in heaven and on earth" and
that everything of God was His.

And Jesus came up and spoke to them,
saying, "All authority has been given to
Me in heaven and on earth." (Matthew
28:18)

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Firefire:
You see your logic ?

What about it?

Wike went to court to unseat Amaechi kangaroo elected LG chairmen and the court ruled in his favor and he (Wike) will still ask his thugs to start bombing ?

SMH vigorously....

Keep shaking it

OREMUSSANCTUS:
Watch ur fingers!

Firefire:
The thugs are loyal to who ?

Of course to their Chief thug WIKE

OREMUSSANCTUS:
North cum southwest cum APC is involve

overdrive:
check well it could be Zimbabwe dollars

LWKM

Demmzy15:
Bros I saved a page sometimes back, I knew people like this malvisguy212 would bring up gibberish points. A group of Arabia Christians worshipped Mary and even some Christian saints wrote letters warning them!

"The Christians of the seventh century had insensibly relapsed into a semblance of paganism: their public and private vows were addressed to the relics and images that disgraced the temples of the East: the throne of the Almighty was darkened by the clouds of martyrs, and saints, and angels, the objects of popular veneration; and the Collyridian heretics, who flourished in the fruitful soil of Arabia, invested the Virgin Mary with the name and honours of a goddess."

-E. Gibbon, The History of The Decline & Fall Of The Roman Empire, 1994, Penguin Books, p. 177.

There existed a sect in Arabia that worshipped Mary as god and included her in the in trinity.

Also,

St. Epiphanius, Bishop of Constantia, in Cyprus, writing in the fourth century against the Collyridians, says:
"After this a heresy appeared, which we have already mentioned slightly by means of the letter written in Arabia about Mary. And this heresy was again made public in Arabia from Thrace and the upper parts of Scythia, and was brought to our ears, which to men of understanding will be found ridiculous and laughable. We will begin to trace it out, and to relate concerning it. It will be judged (to partake of) silliness rather than of sense, as is the case with other like it. For, as formerly, out of insolence towards Mary, those whose opinions were such sowed hurtful ideas in the reflexions of men, so otherwise these, leaning to the other side, fall into the utmost harm...... For the harm is equal in both these heresies, the one belittling the holy Virgin, the other again glorifying her over-much. For who should it be that teach thus but women? for the race of women is slippery, fallible, and humble-minded...... For some women deck out a koutrkon that is to say, a square stool, spreading upon it a linen cloth, on some solemn day of the year, for some days they lay out bread, and offer it in the name of Mary. All the women partake of the bread, as we related in the letter to Arabia, writing partly about that...... Yea, verily, the body of Mary was holy, but was surely not God. Verily, the Virgin was a virgin, and was honoured, but was not given to us to worship; but she worships Him who was born from her according to the flesh, having come from heaven out of the Father's bosom......"

- C. H. H. Wright & C. Neil (Editors), A Protestant Dictionary, 1904, Hodder & Stoughton, London, p. 390 (Under "Mary, The Virgin".

jcross19:
you tend to twist your koran to suit your motive and I can't help than to bow out.

jcross19:
"k" according to your signature.

jcross19:
allah and God are different thing entirely,

am talking about the living God not allah.

If jesus can make a bird made of clay to become living by his breath then it means jesus and God share thesame power because allah made first man from clay and breath into him, then if jesus can dp thesame to a bird it means he can mould a man from clay like that of bird and it will turn to living being.

Its funny when you are writing english and you substitute the word "GOD" with your own dialect . Does it make sense . If you want to write arabic then write everything in arabic but adding arabic word into english something is wrong somewhere. Example. Olodumare is great it make sense?. Think wisely sir.

malvisguy212:
Are you not educated ?

Is Jesus the one say catholic should worship Mary ?

Beside catholic will never agreed they worship Mary.

Just like you muslims. You will never agreed you worship the black stone.

jcross19:
he turn staff to a snake then back to the staff

and he was instructed by God

but jesus only breath into clay and a clay to a living thing,

no where in your koran that say the living thing turn to clay again then my question is this?

Who can give life?

Don't compare moses here.

ZUBY77:
Tribal bigot.

Who

We are waiting for your hurricane response.

I guess your ministerial appointments is fast.

We are patiently waiting for another election.

donholy28:
Shut up olodo...Jonathan did not recover tem...

so rescue them Instead of criticizing him.

jcross19:
I asked simple question who is authorise to give life? Is there any man that can turn non living thing to living thing? Even your book of poems can't deny His authority. Through the same jesus allah the demon was made .

jcross19:
[s] what you posted is more than allah wisdom [/s] like what I said how can christ give life to clay and the clay became a living thing but you said he can't do anything on HIS own yes you are right is in God and God is in him automatically is God in flesh then tell me from the book of your poems is there any prophet that have done what isa masi did ?

jcross19:
he was called isa masi then tell me the meaning of that masi?

malvisguy212:
you are Not making sense at all, infacte the first muslim brother that coment make a lot of sense than you do. Is it biblical to worship Mary ? Catholic worship Mary or not is none of my business. The quran say:
Surah 5:Verse 116, And behold!
Allah will say: O Jesus the son of Mary!
Didst thou say unto men, "WORSHIP ME
AND MY MOTHER as gods ........?

All what we need to do now is to do some searching,did Jesus say we should worship Mary? Jesus in the bible never for once ask anybody to worship Mary , where did this idea came from ? It is very clear , muhammed was GREATLY influence by some christians teaching heresy.hence the question, were did this idea came from ?