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TheTransformer:
They might be small in population but if you know where to look, you can find Somali Christians:

http://somalichristians.org/
http://www.somalibiblebelievers.com/

omg stop embarrassing yourself all you did was googled somali christian, you're so lost

Somguy:
The trolls on Somali sites have mostly been African American or Kenyan. I'm not making this up as I used to be very active on somalinet and some other forums many years ago. I never said that they were Nigerian. My point was that we get trolls from other African nationalities as well. We even get Ethiopian trolls.

I'm actually quite shocked that you haven't seen Nigerian/Somali couples in London. I know personally of two and have heard of others in the past. Yes, it's a problem that many Somalis will disown the couple, but I'm seeing progress. It takes time to change certain mentalities.

As for Arabs, then I'm cool with most of them. But certain Arab nationalities have some cultural vices such as wife beating, which is why I would never marry my own sister or daughters off to them unless the guys are exceptionally good. I know of far too many cases of domestic abuse in that community. Not all Arabs do this, but certain nationalities from amongst them are known for this. Same with Asians (of all religions).

Horners usually intermarry with Southern Yemenis who are culturally and genetically very similar to us (many of them are black or mixed). Northern Yemenis are closer to Saudis. Domestic abuse is very frowned upon in our community and the clan will usually take back their daughter if the husband mistreats her.

Oh yes ive known Yemenis to be close with Somalis, and I consider Yeminis to be more a bit more African than arab, they have cultural ties to the horn right?

Yes true, it'll be kenyans or others, but you'll barely find a Nigerian trolling your forums, we barely do that, but these somali trolls on nairaland could cause a wave of that actually happening. It has tempted me before, im being honest, you'd think trolls shouldn't effect how we perceive others, but it can actually work in their favour when they do it constantly.

when he said Somali Christian, that's when I knew someone was smoking Pot LMAO
what kind of nonsense, only a person that haven't been around somalis would say that, but im still confused why TheTransformer is here debating this with no substance to add to the discussion, just here to play Mr.Objective

TheTransformer:
Curses? you have memory problems... try and remember (with you fish brain - I know it is difficult for you) who started the insults... stay f00lish for life...

run along small pikin...

carry on oohhh God is good

TheTransformer:
Small pikin... go and drink breast milk.... there are Somali Christians... f00lish boy, they exist... they might be the minority but they do exist... got it... he-goat be gone.

ahaha continue with the curses, it's a sign of true defeat. Also go and look for your Somali Christian since they exist (like looking for a unicorn) LOOL tell a Somali you know that and they'll laugh at you, I am 100% certain you've never met a Somali before, you're just here to comment, instead of listening to Somalis or other Nigerians who have actually associated with somalis. Stay ignorant

TheTransformer:
Dumb i.d.i.o.t... did i touch a nerve small boy? You are just too st.u.pi.d to speak for all Nigerians. There are Somali Christians in Kenya, UK and USA....

The thing must have pained you... lol... may you die of your foolishness... small pikin with china phone...

1000 Somali Christians in Somalia... is what you mean... du.mb a.ss!

Even Somguy is telling you that you're wrong.
Yes It pained me to see your replies because you're Nigerian and you sound like a MuMU, like an ignorant fool, it pains me to see another nigerian embarrass himself, just stop before you confuse everyone even more, for your own sake

Somguy:
You're right. I should not have told you to stfu for simply sharing your perspective. That was very rude of me and for that I apologise.

Secondly, yes I'm not going to lie, many Somalis have a general dislike for Africans who look "Bantu". There are many reasons for this, but they are all based on ignorance. But let's not pretend like other Africans do not look down on each other based on skin pigmentation, culture and religion. Racism is not exclusive to Somalis.

Anther reason why many Somalis, particularly in the UK, hate West Africans is due to the fact that when the first large communities arrived in the UK back in the 90's, the Jamaicans gave them hell and used to harass them simply for being different.

With that said, the younger generation tends to be far more open-minded than the older one.

I haven't got pictures of Somali/Naija couples, but I've spoken to women who are married to Nigerians and they are very proud of it. Some sections within our community might ostracise them for marrying someone who is foreign, but they personally don't seem to care.

Me personally, I'd much rather have my sisters marry African Muslims than Arabs or whites.

As for the trolls, then sadly these people thrive on the attention that people give them. These losers actually believe that having soft hair makes them superior. Reflect on how effeminate it is for a man to seek pride in his facial features lmao.

We get plenty of African trolls who post pictures of starving Somalis on Somali forums as well so I guess it's just the nature of social media which creates these slimy losers who crave the attention.

The only reason I even signed up here was to dispel a few myths and distance my people from these little worms. I absolutely do not blame anyone who responds in kind to these animals. The blame is squarely on these trolls who antagonise people on their own forum.

Thank for your response,
I'll reply to your points with my respective opinion on it.

But let's not pretend like other Africans do not look down on each other based on skin pigmentation, culture and religion. Racism is not exclusive to Somalis.

This is true, but that is more of a caste/social idea about lighter or darker skin, it's never an argument, it's only directed towards linking light skin with beauty and women, and linking dark skin with strength and men. But another reason for Western (white) standards that have been perpetuated all over Africa. But our discussion involves nationalities within Africa, our relations, our cultural exchange and support. But these somali trolls have not allowed Nigerians (in Nigeria) to support Somalis on a social-networking level.

Anther reason why many Somalis, particularly in the UK, hate West Africans is due to the fact that when the first large communities arrived in the UK back in the 90's, the Jamaicans gave them hell and used to harass them simply for being different.

The jamaicans did the same thing to us Nigerians in the 80s and they'll live to regret that because Nigerians have contributed to the Black-British experience and they know we can be their biggest ally in the demographic, we have also intermarried with them, but we still hold very seperate values from them, don't mix us up with Jamaicans, they're great, but they can be hypocritical.

...We get plenty of African trolls who post pictures of starving Somalis on Somali forums as well so I guess it's just the nature of social media which creates these slimy losers who crave the attention.

show me proof of this, ive gone past somalinet before and ive never seen this, give me a link of nigerians on your forums doing this and ill believe you

I haven't got pictures of Somali/Naija couples, but I've spoken to women who are married to Nigerians and they are very proud of it. Some sections within our community might ostracise them for marrying someone who is foreign, but they personally don't seem to care.

Me personally, I'd much rather have my sisters marry African Muslims than Arabs or whites.

Until I see one with my own naked eye then ill believe bro and the fact that a percentage of the Somali community turn away from that coupling should be concerning to you, not looked over. The same with the Nigerian community, it's gonna take a looonnnng time before that's the norm mate. In that time it will be the norm for nigerian muslims only, many nigerian christians exist more in the UK tho.
And you seeing your sisters with other africans instead of arabs or whites is good, but we both know somalis either mostly marry somali or arab
Tell me what you think of arabs? I thought somalis were cool with them, are you?

TheTransformer:
If she is NOT a Christian I would not try to marry her in the first place... and yes there are enough Somalis that are Christians.

I am a Deist... but since it is hard to find people like me, i would just go with my former religion (Christianity) which all my family members belong to.

Not all Nigerians take culture seriously please... examples are my Paternal grandparents, they relocated to Lagos when they where very young and hardly went back to their villages.

You litereally just put random words together to reply to me, stop wasting my time you sound like an i.d.i.o.t
your grandparents? moved to lagos? and haven't been back to their village what does that have to do with culture? WTF.... shut the hell up
and w.t.f... Do you even know what Somalis are have you ever met Somalis? shut up
You will never meet a Somali christian in your life, I swear to you, there are under 1000 somalis in the world that are christian under 1000, (research this now) and shut up, stop wasting my bloody time

Somguy:
Read the actual articles and research papers. This isn't a matter of personal opinion. Your logic is quite primitive to say the least.

Poor infrastructure is the responsibility of the government.

stop calling other nigerians primitive for backfiring these trolls and start schooling your somali brothers about respecting us.
The only reason why we reply to these trolls is because our Mods don't do anything about them, let them post BS regularly and post pictures of your women.
These threads are then searchable on google, people would see the racism and hate spread form these Somalis online. a lot of the pictures and posts are taunting nigerians and spreading this type of somali supremacy, it making a lot of Nigerians dislike Somalis that they've never seen before.

Somguy:
As for Somali culture being different from other horn cultures, again, the difference between Muslim Somali culture and Muslim habesha or Oromo culture is very minimal. Oromo and Somalis intermarry all the time. Tigre people from Eritrea are nomadic Muslims just like us and we get on quite well with one another. I know of Somali/habeshas who are married. I also know people who are half Somali half habesha. One girl I know has a father who is Amhara and a mother who is Somali.

You really don't know what you're talking about.

And if your parents really are that narrow-minded, then you must come from a very primitive family.

Primitive?? don't comment about my own family when it's the same for every Nigerian family, stop right there because you sound just like your somali brothers that troll on here 24/7. Secondly isn't that the same for MANY somali families, how dare you ignore your own hypocrisy, watch your tone, because you're starting to sound like these trolls

And i didn't ask you about other horn-african intermarrying each other, obviously that happens and obviously Horn african nations are closely related, that's not what this topic is about.

TheTransformer:
Now, you need to speak for yourself. What my own mother looks out for in a lady that wants to marry me are these:
* is the lady well behaved and well mannered?
* is she a christian?
* does she have a job or source of income?
* do you (me = her son) really love her?

The fact she does not know Nigerian culture can be LEARNED!

If a Somali girl agrees to marry a Nigerian guy, she would do everything to ensure her family accepts him... so, please don't group all Nigerians in your classification of "Nigerians cannot marry Somalis"...

ok lets start to speak for yourself, you want to play Mr objective.
you're a christian, so if your mom wants you with a christian girl too, did you know Somalis are all muslim and will do what other muslims do to their daughters if they see her with a Christian, disown or kill her. Your own mom would not want you to be unequally yoked as a Christian so get that out of your head or try it and fail.

Next, either you don't know, nigerians take their culture seriously as well as other africans, somalis are the same, so idk why you're pretending and ignoring that, stop reaching for imaginary points. People are all the same, but we are talking about nigerians as a collective.

@ Fulaman198 more complaints are piling, please start getting rid of those troll accounts, even other Somalis don't want Nigerians to get a bad idea of them from these racist threads created.

TheTransformer:
Nigerian men marry can marry any woman of any Nationality as long she is beautiful or well behaved.
Nigerian women can marry any man of any Nationality as long as he is well behaved or has a decent income...
This includes Somalis also..... Nigerians are not that racists.

What is your point, sure Nigerians are not racist, but we are very 'proud', we take pride in our culture and heritage, especially well-off Nigerians, non-Nigerians that marry into the family have to prove their worth like everyone else.
If a Nigerian guy brings home to his family a Somali girl or an Ethiopian girl, he has to prove to his family and especially his mother why she should be his wife and it's harder when she doesn't know the culture very well, she doesn't have to know the language, just the culture.
Furthermore, our culture involves family-exchange, if the somali girl's family does not accept the nigerian side because of their racist intent (e.g. calling other africans adoons) then the marraige cannot go on, we are a proud people, we will not be degraded by africans that look down on us, especially when their own country isn't stable

Somguy:
I know of at least two women in the UK who are married to Nigerian men. Somali women marry other blacks such as Jamaicans, why wouldn't they marry a Nigerian?? Don't believe the BS that these Somali trolls spew on here. This is 2016, anybody can marry anybody.

Somali culture is not all too different from the culture of Muslim Africans so a Muslim Nigerian would have a lot in common with a Muslim Somali, especially if both of them were raised in the West.

I have plenty of Nigerian friends (Hausa, Yoruba, Igbo etc).

Stfu, your family would not "disown" you. You're just trying to appear "uppity" lol.

first of all, im not here to degrade your somali background or culture so don't tell me'stfu', don't get heated this is my opinion and point of view.

Im merely stating that i have never seen a nigerian & somali link yet, If it exists then its very very rare. I live and grew up in London, with a large Somali community, I went to school with somalis, have a lot of somali friends.

I'm already aware that there are some somalis that date Caribbean, that's nice but it's also very very rare, don't pretend like somalis are not a little racist against west-africans and carribeans, especially the older generation, calling other africans 'adoon' and all that nonsense. It's similar in reverse, other africans are a bit rude towards somalis.
But the younger generation are more open, I also know your communities are very religious (very islamic).

This is 2016, but africans are still divided over cultural and ethnic lines, more time would change things.

You are the first ever somali person on the site that doesn't actually BS 24/7 about us, so im very surprised we are even having this discussion, just realize that a percentage of somalis will continue to talk sh*t about us, it's partly your job to change that mindset in your own communities especially if you like going on nairaland.

Since those trolls started coming on here (~2010) they've been spreading extreme hate, hate towards Nigerians who have never seen or spoken to somalis before, most nigerians on here have never left nigeria to visit the diverse communities of africans in places like the UK or Canada with a lot of cool Somalis. So now their first impressions of Somalis are of racist, rude and vile East-Africans

So the image these trolls have painted have been very damaging, i saw your new thread, you are right, the mods should ban those trolls, but we've already asked them to do so and they still haven't yet. Please i need to know and see these nigerian-somali couples you're talking about if its true, so i can show the trolls their BS

Somguy:
There are plenty of Nigerian men who are married to Somali women. Don't hate on Somalis based on a few stupid trolls on Nairaland.

pleeaaase i beg you show me the proof and reciepts of nigerian men marrying or dating Somalis ??
It's very very hard to believe
Yh I understand that this site has several somali accounts devoted to trolling nairaland, I know somalis in person, I know you're not all ignorant and rude towards other fricans.
But when it comes to Nigerian men marrying or dating somalis, from what i know that's impossible..
mainly due to a huge difference culturally when compared to other horn africans. Personally if my family caught me dating a somali girl they'll disown me

I still don't understand why Somali women are being mentioned on this thread.
Who's asking for them?? I've never met a Nigerian guy or girl that will ever date a Somali, so people don't get over your heads, stop mentioning Somalis

hmmph:
Those Ethiopian women must be poor and desperate. They will marry anything these days. Poor things

Poor and desperate ? Are you trying to insult Nigerians ? As if we're not the most successful Africans in the continent

Nigerian men , Ethiopian women

(Sorry been busy I hadn't replied to your last comment)

The first Ethiopian song I listened to was a remix of Flavour's sawa sawa le, but I didn't know the Ethiopian artists names

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rLa03jU2-Y

Ednite:
Yeah, how you know him? It's amharic, Is it just you who knows him or. . .

Why don't you hear 'zebenay mariye' -lij michael
So much better than this

I love davido, i was hearing FANS MI few minutes ago

I heard his songs in an ethiopian party i was invited to here in the UK
oh i enjoy zebenay mariye ! i like the Live version, he makes songs that are very catchy even though i don't understand amharic .
Yhh Naija music is reaching East Africa, I listen to some Ethiopian and Kenyan songs too.

Ednite:
I know you are right. I exactly know that i was supposed to ignore silly comments. But i just can't. I can't

Anyway my favourite Ethiopian artist is Lij Michael, he blends hiphop very well with what i think is ahmeric..right?
Like this song is awesome!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99bK65R830w

Lagos would forever stay and grow because it has every group from every part of Nigeria and no one wants to cause ethnic trouble in the commercial capital

Ednite:
I DON'T TAKE GETTING A MEDAL AS A BIGGGGG SUCCESS! I am just trying to give you example for our differences. WE HAVE WON LOTS OF GOLD MEDALS BUT WE NEVER GIVE SUCH A BIG SHII! You have to understand what I am saying. There is always a good thinking and bad thinking nation of the same country and i agree that there is a % who says bad thing about west Africa. And i have my own reason to talk about Kenya.

I am being so frank to tell you we hear Nigerian songs here. But after i read a topic which says "Ethiopians worshiping p square" i have never felt right about ur music, and i will tell you this aint an easy comment. No Ethiopian jokes in religion. WORSHIP?!

And again i don't feel right in the way you comment, it's like you gon eat me. Tot you were a cool guy, what's wrong with you? I better stop here before your bad senses got worse, Remember that i created this topic for peace but not for the opposite

I have no problem with no body, keep this in mind

I'm not here to demotivate you more, i only checked you on your comment, you need to broaden your mind wwhen you learn about us and other africans.
Example You saw a random topic that said "Ethiopians worshiping p square" and now you don't feel right about our music??
that's sad, just enjoy the music and don't let a stupid Nigerian give you the wrong idea.

(repeating ) ignore those small small comments you see online from ignorant people. They are not serious.
Meet Nigerians face to face, travel, meet us in other countries, some of us come to Addis Ababa, some rich and educated nigerians travel there for holiday, so you'll see us.instead of online because it will pollute your mind of what you think we do

Ednite:
But wait a minute, what about the Nigerians who did offend us? There were lots who go on like 'small Ethiopia can't do that' when they hear a good news about us. Not only Somalis! I have some good Nigerian friends, very cool but some are as disappointing as hell. Muafrika2 is also right. There was this Nigerian who asked me 'can you Ethiopians sing[/b]?' and there was the other one,when i ask him what you guys think about us, he was like '[b]we don't think you are civilized at all.' Did we ever say any thing when we win you in athletics? Also when Kenyans beat u up? None of the Kenyans and Ethiopians come here and spell bad words to tell you that we won ya. But if it was reversal, you guys could have done it! Cuz i've read what ya said after we have a foot ball match and you won us. I won't say anything but let God give us the love like Ethiopia and Kenya have. You can see both of us (Ethiopians and Kenyans) fighting for a gold medal but we tolerate each other and we are one. I hope Muafrika2 understands me cuz i mean it when i say dat i love Kenya. And i admit they are better than us in lots of things. So we must improve. But I love them for real and am happy that they are our neighbors. I bet Nigeria could as Kenya one day.

Uhhh? That doesn't make sense
Winning medals shouldn't be a reason for you to compare us with each other, that's just low
That has nothing to do with this conversation.
If you want to start that narrative and say Ethiopians don't say anything back, don't think I'm ignorant, I know a % of Ethiopians say bad things about west Africans.
And this conversation is not about Kenyans, that's a different story. A lot of Nigerians are in Kenya, Kenyans love Nigerian music and culture.
And I'll repeat myself. STOP
Just understand that people online are nasty and fake. They really don't mean what they say and don't even know much about Ethiopians, listen to the people who have actually spoken and associated with Ethiopians, not a Nigerian online that has never left Nigeria. Stop getting upset by the small small comments you see about football matches, we always win but it's not serious, it's just patriotic

Muafrika2:
If you don't want to discuss how Nairaland is full of insults that are abetted by your people, all you have to do is avoid me.

you either didn't read my comment or you're seriously trolling this site..mumu

Muafrika2:
The Site and its moderators are Nigerians. Those comments stay up there because some Nigerians have allowed, abetted, encouraged and let them.

The comments insulting Nigerians (which makes up 90% of the forums) ALSO are allowed to stay up, even when users like myself have complained about them. Our mods have responded and said they'll sort this out, so I completely agree with that and it's be discussed already, it's not just bantus who are being insulted. Nigerians and Non-nigerians alike bullsh*t a lot on this site
But at the end of the day, high-censorship means a lack of freedom on this popular social media site. Our Mods will get to the bottom of this, in the meantime move on and discuss other things

Ednite:
Thank you for letting me know that. Its always somali ppl ruining our name. hope u know Ethiopians don't do such things

yes you won't have to worry about how Nigerians view Ethiopians in general.
I live in the UK and I've had a lot of Somali, Ethiopian and eritrean friends, especially in Uni. In real life East Africans are proud to be African and embrace west Africans too. But on the internet, people can be very nasty.