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How many blacks did the white minority in South Africa killed during the repressive apartheid regime? Please answer this. How long did it take for Mandela to kill the people responsible? He didnt, he called for reconciliation so that the country will move forward, Saddam kept alive would, in my opinion, have formed a basis for reconcilliation, the fact is that America wanted him gone and gone for good, they said he had WMD, they found none, they said he harbours Terrorists, they couldnt trace one, suddenly it became wiping out a dictator for the people of Iraq, who made Ameria the soldier of the world? Who? There was no UN resolution to go to war, hence Bush went, so who is a terrorist here? Who has caused crime against humanity with over 600,000 dead in a meaningless war? Tell us!

It was not the IRAQis that pushed Saddam from power, it was America - so don't fool us by saying IRAQis wanted him out because he was a dictator. Iraqis are now left on their own after America's failure to keep peace, who will account for the souls of over 600,000 people killed in IRAQ so far? Who will acccount for the souls dead in Afhganistan? Who?.

chidexy:

Ronkebaby. You are really a bigotted ignorant. If you remain in your locality, fixated with your idealized nonsense, how would you know about such polished great literary minds. Historically, at least within the contemporary nigerian literature, the yorubas have been more inclined to playwriting, while the Igbos dominate the prose. can you give me a decent prose written by a yoruba that's worth reading, apart from a few from Soyinka.

Donzman:

You don't know Elechi Amadi?. . . You're even more ethnocentric than I thought.

Donzman:

@Ronkebaby

Have you ever heard of Zulu Sofola? Professor Ossie Onuora (Ossie Melody) Enekwe? Professor Catherine Chinweizu Acholonu, Okechukwu K. Ugorji, Paul Ndu, Obiora Udechukwu, Ernest Emenyonu, Buchi Emecheta and Elechi Amadi just to name a few.

How do you imagine a people like Igbos, so enterprising with reach far and wide haven't produced any notable playwrights?. . . Ok o
hh!

Donzman:

Lol @ Ronkebaby and Thiefofhearts

Donzman tribalist?. . . You have to dig deeper, I'm not that shallow. I'm trying to tell you what I believe is true and you're delusional not to see that.

Mamaronke, you're alone with this particular opinion because Osuofia is popular all over Africa. Read accounts of him visiting Cameroon with large groups of Cameroonians coming out to catch a glimpse of the legend. If Baba Suwe visits my house, I could mistake the
clown for a beggar!

chidexy:

@ Ronke Baby and Thiefofheart,

I never said that the Yoruba films started then. I said the "mainstream" yoruba movie, implying the post Nollywood or do you prefer home video" yoruba films started off due to percieved marginalization. These are at least what I gleaned from the various publication. I am not part of the industry - unless as a movie lover. I only stand for less rancourous relationship by the practitioners within the industry irrespective of what part of Nigeria they are from.

By the way, the late Ola Rotimi, Wole Soyinka and other great literary minds that we have in Nigeria are not who they are or achieved what they have achieved because of their genetic heritage, but because they are talented and have put their talent into good use. I hope you get that!

chidexy:

I know the mainstream yoruba movie in Nollywood as we have it today started off as a "protest" against the perceived "marginalisation" by the Igbo (mostly, or so some thought) producers. Having made their point, they could at least have started making some movies in English so that genuine movie lovers like us, who are not yorubas can at least enjoy their stories. Movies are all about stories, no matter how stupid or non-professional it may seem to you, it's still a story and someone, may just find it interesting. Afterall, hundreds of films are produced in Hollywood, but just a few make it to the headlines. Just watch some tv channels dedicated to films.

Donzman:

You must be blindfolded if you cannot admit that he's the best Nigerian comic on screen at the moment,

Orikinla:

I am not a tribalist.

gbengaijot:

@orikinla, i will personally disagree with you that Baba Suwe is better than Usofia. Babasuwe hasnt got a comedy talent, he only forces himself to do it. Have you noticed that he is never part of a script?, He only chips in, which is not too ethical. I think latin is yoruba's king of comedy.

Baba latins way of talking, as well as that of usofia is even funny. The way usofia talks, his english, his face, are all comdey in itsel;f. But i kind of believe that usofia is a born comedian anyway, and he acts naturally,

what do you guys think?

eniola1310:

According to her. she said she was a lesbian and she does not do it no more.
mind u, weird mc has a child and he's almost 40 years old!

Donzman:

@Mama Ronke

You can diss all you like but chances are Donzman is smarter than you are.

The only people Yoruba actors and actresses are better than are white actors in Nollywood!

Donzman:

Yeah "C" student indeed. You have nowhere to go now, Donzman has you cornered, now start pleading for you life?

We can be friends, but you have to admit that you're wrong.

sorry to disappoint you. I am an "A" student and only stick with pple of my class. you bore me with ur reasoning, the more reason why i ain't lowering my standard!

Donzman:

@Mama Ronke, Not only are you delisonal but you also cannot read and[b] comprehend[/b]:


After saying that Jegede and Zebrudaya are not part of Nollywood, the clown Orikinla goes ahead to post this:

Did your bigoted mind miss that or something Mama Ronke?, I see you're blind to facts and the truth.

Truth is that Yoruba actors and actresses aren't that good, end of story!, Look at the both of you and Orikinla, you're both delusional and can't produce coherent arguments. Constant contradictions because you're not telling the truth.

Donzman:

@Orinkinla

Aren't you a basket of contradictions?

You claimed Jegede and co. weren't Nollywood and then you went ahead to pull up Zebrudaya's interview regarding himself and Jegede as members of Nollywood?, Delusion, are you? haha

Wait, who swallowed hundreds of wraps of coke again?, A top Yoruba actress. You won't find any top Nollywood star doing that, Nkem Owoh and co. are well paid. I hope you're not trying to argue that Yoruba movie actors make more than Nollywood stars?

Donzman:

Sorry you feel that way, I just don't think Yoruba actors are better than their Nollywood counterparts. Try again Mama Ronke!

the thot is enough to give u sleepless nights. ride on dear brother. meanwhile your stand has been defeated as the popular opinion in this forus already swings to what the author of the forum said. hope u get some drugs to calm your nerves.

Consultant:

@ Ronke,

@ Ronke, i have one small comment to make in response to your comment about Pastor Bim. Pastor Bimbo would never advocate divorce. In fact she warns youth to make the marriage decision carefully because once you are in, there is no going back. She used to say "a broken courtship is better than a broken marriage" but once married, she was a firm believer in till death do us part.

Analytical:

@ronkebaby,

Yes, as a christian you have to submit to the will of God, even above your own, in all circumstances, marriage and courtship inclusive.  The problem is that many don't know what is the will of God, even our christian leaders and teachers.  If you really solely on your senses, you will miss it in most things of life. Cheers.

Analytical:

@ronkebaby,

I respect your opinion about Christian Courtship/Engagement. However, that you were involved in one that didn't work doesn't mean that is how it is with everybody. Yes, there are misconceptions and deceit, I can tell you there are also genuine ones.

I happened to be involved in a christian courtship that worked- from beginning to the end. And it wasn't all about spiritual- we prayed, studied, played, quarelled, made-up, and all. We had so much fun that we became inseparable two to the admiration of many. We worked at it to make it so. Many did not give us a chance but I'm proud to say we will soon celebrate 6 years of marriage!

[I'm sorry if I Sounded harsh at first.]

Donzman:

You guys are idiot including threadstarter himself. Obviously, Nollywood movies are geared towards the mainstream which will not always appeal to the so-called critics. That isn't what this thread is about, this thread is about the actors/actresses. Listing Yoruba movies does not prove your point, listing the actors/actresses who are better will do it. It's a pity you really can't because they are not better.

Again, why will you be better at something but receiving lesser compensation for it?, This is analogous to what you see in music. You have the "underground" musicians claiming they're better than the mainstream musicians because the mainstream musicians are commercial. Think about it, these mainstream musicians have gone through the "underground" scene, they've efficiently allocated their talent to something that will compensate them more. They're clearly better than those nuts who are stuck doing "underground" music even though 99% of them won't admit it. This same logic applies to Nollywood or any other entertainment industry. You can go about criticizing what they put out as more commercial and mass appealing but you cannot deny that they're more talented than those below them on the wage scale.There is a reason why they make more money, they have better talent and it's quite simple.

Only dumbasses (read Orikinla) will believe that someone who makes less is better than someone who makes more. Why do you keep earning less if you're better?, Again, stick on topic, we're discussing actors/actresses and not the movies. Yoruba movie actors are not as good as their colleagues in Nollywood for reasons already stated. Quit listing Yoruba movies, list these actresses who are better than the top actors/actresses in Nollywood. You can't even follow your own thread?, What an Igbo man!

kitaun:

My take? 2face is more good-luking and makes more sense with his songs than D'banj but D'banj comes out as being more outspoken and prolly more intelligent, Michael E is D'banj's producer(don jazzy i mean) and not his sidekick or was P Diddy B.I.G's sidekick?

Consultant:

@ Gridlock

From your definitions, it is clear that you are biased, and not necessarily in a good way. Allow me to attempt a more objective definition of terms:

"Going Out": This is a common term among secondary school kids and sometimes university students. The participants in this kind of relationship are typically not looking for a marriage partner, just sampling the thrills of interacting with the opposite sex. Typically they are also too young to be contemplating marriage anyway. When young ones engage in "going out" without proper sex education or grounding in God, there will likely be negative consequences - too early exposure to sex, broken hearts, maybe even pregnancy. This to me, is definitely a no-go area for christians.

Dating: This is slightly more serious than going out, but again is a trial and error method of finding a life partner. The basic principle of dating is that you find the right "one" by trying out a number of relationships to see which one fits best, kind of like pressing all the loaves of bread in a supermarket aisle in order to pick out the freshest one. Again for christians, i would say no to this. Why? See below.

Courtship: In levels of seriousness, this is a step above dating. You are essentially doing something similar to dating .i.e. initiating a relationship with the opposite sex with the hopes of finding a life partner. The fundamental difference between courtship and dating in the Nigerian context, is that the clear intention of courtship from the get go is marriage. Hence there is a level of commitment already between the two people involved even before marriage.

Engagement: Again in the Nigerian context, this is the point where the courting couple make their commitment to get married known clearly to everyone else.

Now back to why i favor courtship over dating. First, dating by nature, encourages trial and error. It's message is, "if it doesn't work, just move on". Unfortunately, emotionally, its not that easy to just pack your bags and move in and out of relationships. It is hurtful and very painful for the parties invloved.

I also think dating psychologically prepares people for divorce. Once you get used to packing up and moving on once there is a problem in a relationship, then it becomes that much easier to do it after marriage.

My third reason is practical. If you are a christian, who firmly holds on to the Bible's admonition to avoid sex before marriage, then you have no business dating. Sexual abstinence is not the easiest thing in the world. An 18 year old christian, who is not ready for marriage but starts to date is much more likely to have premarital sex than someone who waits till they are nearing the age of marriage - say 21 or 22 and then prayerfully and carefully enters into a relationship with the intention of marrying this person - if all works out well. Then you have a clear purpose, and both persons in the relationship are working towards a similar goal, and the courtship is just long enough to know each other well, but not so long that the pressures of abstinence become too much to bear.

Clearly from my previous posts, i do not support the doctrine of some churches that do not allow courting members to have private time to get to know each other well. Going out together, spending time discovering each other's likes and dislikes, hopes and dreams, and goals in life (outside of the pastor or elder's gaze) are all important parts of the courting process. Marriage is both spiritual and physical, therefore finding a life partner should also be done by using both your spiritual and physical senses.