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DrinkLimca:
www.nairaland.com/4100775/nudity-using-what-get-what

Coming from a lady that preached about using what you have to get what you want and even supporting nudes of Beyonce and co....

The hypocrisy is alarming...

If it was amarabae you guys will bounce on her thread calling her a hypocrite...
So matinee why are you two faced?
Below is a screenshot of you supporting nudity of using what you have to get what you want...
cc


Even her dp on her www.nairaland.com/lawlahdey is opposite of what this thread is about...

When you try so hard to make a point but end up sounding pitiful anyway. I’ll let marine deal with you

donstan18:
If you have a free mind, you'll rarely get into a fight with someone. That's the truth.

I asked her a simple question "Who is a classy lady". She couldn't attempt that, had it being she gave a definition, it would have helped me agree to her point just like you did. But she didn't.

Why? Because she was looking for an avenue to insult me just like RuthDaniels did

Them go die on top my matter one day

okay

TSOM:
So, basically, there are different rules for different females and a female can get excuse if she portrays herself as primarily a sexual object as long as it favours her. It's alright to be slutty as long as you benefit from it, yes?

It's alright for me to leer at a female who projects herself as a sexual object if it futhers her cause?

Adele doesn't dress slutty. There are several other females who don't project themselves as sexual objects and are still famous and successful as can be.

Ayana Curry is the wife of multiple time NBA MVP, Steph Curry and she's a celebrity in her own right with a voice...and she never dresses as a slut.

When you, a female, creates different rules for different females just to advance your own agenda then it leaves much to be desired.

So much for equality. So much for equality treatment.

I never said it’s okay to dress slutty. I’m not an advocate for that at all. I’m simply saying there’s a reason behind why they (celebrities) HAVE to dress in that nature, to sell records. I’m not saying it’s okay, but that is a part of their brand. The likes of Adele, Whitney Houston and these great singers, if you understood the music industry you would know why they don’t need to be sexy to sell records. Their voices alone carry the weight of their success, whereas Beyoncé, Rihanna and the likes need that added sex appeal to get on their level.

Now tell me how this relates to everyday people? You people need to be more realistic when it comes to your arguments. I don’t understand how comparing tinuke from balogun street to Rihanna and Beyoncé is even practical? I mean in this context, it just doesn’t make sense.

donstan18:
You made a point.

@Embolden. Yes, indecent dressing gives negative thoughts to people, i'm not disputing that fact. But when preaching about class, you shouldn't totally condemn, give your point based on a personal level, just like you used your personal definition to drive home a point.

You don't just condemn those who aren't in line with you.

The problem with you ladies sometimes is that you won't even bother to understand what your opponent is arguing about, you see every argument as an avenue to insult people. Smh!

Look many things are subjective in life. But there’s normally a general definition that most people live by. That’s the definition that marine is trying to defend. You don’t have to agree with her, but don’t try to act like what she’s saying is total garbage, when you know damn well what she’s trying to say.

Mariinee:
The last statement is just what I was about to say. "You dress the way you think and what you think is what you are!" So, if you dress like a ho; it's because you think like a ho and that's essentially what you are.
Why are these people finding it hard to process this? Gosh.

I guess people like to deceive and subconsciously lie to themselves. You can’t look in the mirror, see your breast and ass hanging out, and then use that same mouth to tell me you have class/respect for yourself. This is the thing I was talking about on page 0, women victimising themselves. When subconsciously they know what they’re doing and then cry wolf when they reap the repercussions. Just saying..

donstan18:
That's my point sir.


Appearance isn't reality, a classy lady could still appear like a LovePeddler, it doesn't make her classless.

Yes. But speaking for everyday people, how you dress is normally a reflection of who you are. Yes we know they’re exceptions to everything, and we know they’re virgin amaka dressers that are “whores” on the inside. But majorly speaking, what goes on in the head of someone who wears bum shorts with a very revealing top? What is the aim? Your thoughts are normally a reflection on how you dress. 80% the time.

RuthDaniels:

You’re really using an urban dictionary to defend your point. Well each to their own. Classy is very subjective

donstan18:
How can she GOT me when she copied someone's article to post here.


@Embolden, you are right, that was why I made my first comment on this thread concerning her inferiority complex. But due to the fact she stole the article, she couldn't understand me.


Not making up is class, which means Dangote's daughter isn't classy.

Dress morally is class...which means Nikki Minaj isn't classy.


OP too foolish abeg

Classy is subjective. I’m going to speak for myself. When I think of classy I think elegant, sophisticated and proper. When i think of those words, I don’t think excess makeup to the point where my eyelashes are floating in the air, and my eyebrows look like eagle wings. When I think classy I don’t think bum shorts and and revealing tops. If you constantly carry yourself in a way that differs from classy then yes you cannot put yourself in the classy catergory. Nicki Minaj is not classy to me. Her brand revolves around sex appeal and being raunchy. From her lyrics to her dressing, this is what she has branded herself to be. She’s an entertainer and that’s who she is. Dangote daughter wearing excessive makeup on her wedding day, may not exude classy to some people. Although I think classy focuses more on your persona/dressing, Mariine is entitled to have her opinion. Not everyday fight fight. Jesus!

Mariinee:
Lol. Perhaps, we don't see the same pictures.
Like I said, Beyonce does that because she's an artiste and an entertainer. It is what her showbiz demands, that's why she's showing. Now, if you aren't into showbiz, why are you 'showing'? Lol.
You just strengthened my point. People who emulate entertainers and dress like shit even at their weddings, are they all trying to be entertainers? Averagely, people now dress like they see their celebrity role models dress even in settings where that kind of dress isn't appropriate.
Like Safiaa said, class is relative. Cardi B might also be some people's definition of class.

Well, we have different classes too. And, some people are just gutter class.

I completely get what you’re saying. Using celebrities as an example completely misses the point. It’s their brand to be sexy. At all times, even. Their sex appeal is all apart if their image, they need this to sell records. They need to dress in that manner to appeal to their male audience. They make profit off this, but this doesn’t apply to everyday people. You aren’t branded to dress half naked walking down the regular streets. Emulating celebrities is just not a good idea, because you gain nothing from it.

mycoplasma:
i get you very well. But what you fail to grab is the fact that there are exceptions. And since gaps exist unconditional love can be invalidated. Besides, you give your example from one angle ignoring how it may look like from other angle. And one crazy thing about me is that, I use the slightest loophole to pin hold my opponent.

If I'm to play my argument game again, I could counter your analogy cos even a father could exhibit what you cited as example of mother to child unconditional love.


Anyways let me you save you the stress of all this long chats.
Rephrase your point/statement to:
There are mothers who exhibit unconditional love to their child but this doesnt explicitly confer and implies that unconditional love only exist between mother to child.

okay you win!!!

Classy is subjective. Let everybody have peace and stop shouting upandan

ericsmith:
you made such an unholy statement and end it with jesus,, tiwa savage needs to know she is known & a star today by her music,, if she thinks otherwise let her stop singing try be a sultry video vixen lets see much money n fame her saggy dark breast n buttock cheek all expose will fetch her.

i donnt even know the color of adeles bra whenever she comes on stage but she rakes in grammy pass nicki minaj

If you were so holy, your bible teaches you to mind your business and not judge others. She’s doing her job, let her be and leave it to God.

mycoplasma:
Face-palm.
Ohh god of Jerusalem.

Nothing more to talk about this.

For your information, yes. The Christian god loves only the Christians while the Muslim god loves only the Muslim. Same applies to other god.

there are 4200+ God of which the christian god is one.. I used the biblical god as an example because you mentioned jesus which Gave me the impression that you're a Christian.

This is a pure lie. Need me to quote the Bible for you?

Can you love someone and still send that person to eternal damnation?

Now, lemme play your card here to explain better. You stated earlier that no matter what a child does to his/her mother, the love would still be there. How come god love is either you serve him or rot in hell?

We can all find bible quotes to back our claims, at the end of the day I can’t force you to believe My opinions. To your last question, look at it like this. Your mother trains you, she teaches you right from wrong. As you grow you become rebellious and antisocial to society. You decide to murder someone and as a consequence for your actions, you end up serving the rest of your life in jail. The mother supports the judge with the life sentence. Does this mean the love for the child dies? What I’m trying to say is we as humans need to take responsibility for our actions. Our actions lead to consequences. If you live a life of sin, you shall suffer the repercussions. This doesn’t take any form unconditional love away. This is strictly the point i’m trying to make.

I genuinely believe some people are born gay, whilst some aren’t. Science cannot explain everything, they’re some things we humans cannot understand.

mycoplasma:
I believe you know them. Well just incase you don't, Obedience is one.

Be a Christian (sure you know all the attributes of being a Christian), obey his teachings and believe he's the one and only true son of god/god himself. Failure to abide to any, hell straight away.

Now is there unconditional love above? Or a love without "any" condition from the above?

So if the child doesn’t obey their parents, the love for the child dies? I’m confused sir, and you know this is not true.

So God only loves Christians? God’s love is unconditional to all human beings, whether you’re a believer or not. But when you die, you must face your own consequences of your sins. That has nothing to do with his love, that’s more so the reason why he tries to touch the heart of non believers.

How does wiz kid look older than him and he’s 27. Healthy living is good for the soul.

Toks2008:
You too grandchild and say hi to mummy for me.

thank you, will do.

Is she supposed to be standing 15ft away from him.

She is at work, she’s a performer. When you’re at work you go into professional mode and abide by the rules. This is what being a performer is all about, why can’t you people just be logical for one moment. Jesus.

mycoplasma:
I'm the one who's suppose to be learning something new cos there is nothing like unconditional love in all ramification. this was why I asked, "maybe" unconditional as a word has gat a new definition from the generally accepted one, which made u cling to the so called mother to child/God unconditional love

Anyways, below
unconditional
ʌnkənˈdɪʃ(ə)n(ə)l/
adjective
not subject to any conditions.

The keyword above is "any".

Nobody can meet that criteria/criterion "without any condition"

So what are the conditions generally that a child MUST have for a mother to love him/her? What are the conditions that a human MUST have for Jesus to love you?

CAPSLOCKED:

LOL, WHAT DO YOU WANT... A 46MILLION NAIRA CAR?

WAIT UNTIL THAT YOUR GUY PROPOSE TO YOU WITH 2 FOWLS.

loooool

You’re actually really funny. I won’t lie

TonyeBarcanista:
I admire your high intelligence...

Thanks for the kisses... Wish it was real though

Lol use your imagination.

Toks2008:
Ok I guess you dey do online forming...

Let me do it codedly....oya PM me and send your account details make I dash you small money to prove to you that I mean business...

As long as you are above 18 no wahala..

Have a wonderful day grandad. Rest well.

mycoplasma:
I don't want us to drag this cos your points are self defeating. Besides, this is romance and not religion.

I disagree with this - mother to child.
Besides, maybe unconditional love gat new definition to you (Ad hoc). Well if I'm to got strictly with unconditional definition in the dictionary, then your argument cannot hold water. Even your analogy will fall flat cos there are exceptions.

Your last sentence settles everything. Nothing more to talk about

Please educate me on unconditional love. I might learn something new today actually, I’m enlightened.

Toks2008:
Ok I will increase the money...im serious o
.

Sorry sir, I don’t do expired/saggy scrotums, it’s not worth any price. Good luck in your search though

TonyeBarcanista:
Again you missed it Darling...

The child of a mother is seen as the flesh of the mother (and father too). Mother's love for their Children is borne out of the fact that mothers see their children as theirs. The new born is not just a child, he's an extension of the personality, flesh and blood of the mother. The new born came from her womb and was nurtured from day zero by her. The new born is her just as Jesus is considered son and part of His Holy Father (God).

No other relationship has such strong connection. We choose to love and fall in love based on our perception of the personality of the person involved and how we anticipate the person will fit in our lives perfectly. If in the course of the relationship we find irrational personality traits or realise that what we had perceived runs counter to reality, it is only rational to reappraise the situation and decide whether or not the love would still exist with the "new" person.

If I meet you, I asume you are a spiritual girl (Christian), decent and a virgin and fell in love with your personality (person) but I later realised that you are a club girl, indecent, cheat and non-virgin, it is only rational that I do a reappraisal to determine whether your person (upon this realisation) will fit into my ideal requirement. If it doesn't, the rational thing for me to do is to break up and thereby falling out of love.

You are just proving my point that the only true love is between a mother and child. But you win the argument! You win!

Toks2008:
I joined nairaland 11years ago so instead of me getting involved in childish banters I feel the best I can do is give valuable marital advise regardless of whether I am single,married,divorced or whatever.. at least an advise is best given by one who has experience.

You dey call me agbaya but If I woo you and make you a side dish with £1k as minimum monthly allowance you no go gree?

Toks you are talking about side dish, this is beyond your age. You are too old for this. Your mates are talking about university for their grandchildren, you are talking about side dish. Side dish ko diagonal dish ni. Old man please your retirement is around the corner, prepare for it and stop disturbing yourself on Nairaland. You are old enough to be my grandfather. Oba of agbayas

Blackfyre:
An hopeful invitation to your wedding.

sure

mycoplasma:
This is not a religious topic neither is it religion section. But lemme point out some contradictions/inconsistencies in ya message
This is a blatant lie. The love doesn't remain except you you wanna shy away from the truth because if it does, the concept of heaven and hell won't be in existence. So jesus loves us conditionally


Yes. But when these children deviate, you scold them, cane them etc. And if the gravity of their offense is high, some parents disown their children. I'm sure you can testify that parents disown their children. Even wives, when they cheat on their husband, they both separate. There is nothing like unconditional love. There is always a string attached.

Same applies to everything. Even I cited the god love us analogy.

There is nothing like unconditional love. We all pay price

There is heaven and hell due to the consequences of our actions. Jesus loves you regardless of whatever sin you commit, but when death arrives you must face the consequences of your OWN decisions. That has nothing to do with the unconditional love that we’re talking about. A child must face the consequences of their bad actions, regardless of the unconditional love a parent will have for their child.

All I’m trying to say is that, mother and child love is unconditional. Whatever that child may do to you, whatever characteristics they have or do not have, you will love that child forever on this earth. They’re minor exception like parents disowning their children, but for the most part it doesn’t happen.

TonyeBarcanista:
The condition of a loosed girl is that she is a loosed girl, she is a girl who is loosed, her personality and behavior is unworthy of our commitment. Kindly know that her personality is her person, it is HER and not inseparable from her. Her condition (personality) is the same as her, it isn't a factor different from her.

.

I knew this was going to be one of the counter arguments. When a mother delivers a child out of the vagina, an instant love for the child is born. This child has no persona/personality this is the type of love that has no attachments to it. This is the only type of love that exists in my world. You love that child for the creation of their dna, no forms of condition to it.

As we get older we begin to develop certain characteristics. These characteristics may change as we we continue to grow. You can’t say certain characteristics are inseparable to humans, as the only thing constant in life is change. But whatever characteristics we develop, may attract someone to love us. Now those characteristics tend to change as we age, that’s when we hear phrases like “ I fell out of love” when it wasn’t love in the first place, because you can’t fall out of love with your child. The conditions you loved the person for are no longer available. That’s why I say conditional love is not real and the only true love is between mother and child. Get it?

TonyeBarcanista:
No romantic love is unconditional, only Christ love unconditionally but making heaven is conditional my Dear.

If you expect any love to be unconditional then you must go back to check the meaning of the word 'love'.

Exactly, so then can we really call that true love? I don’t think so, I don’t define that as love. You love the conditons that come with the person. Not the person themselves.

Tallesty1:
There's no such as unconditional love, not on and not even in the realm of the spirits. Even God's love isn't unconditional otherwise there would no need for him to ask us to keep his commandment and believe in Jesus.

No. despite all these commandments, whether we decide to abide by them or not, the love Jesus has for us remains. Just like as a parent you expect your child to abide by certain rules, but regardless you’ll still love them and treat them as your own. That is unconditional regardless of whatever.

Now in a relationship, man to woman, take some certain conditions away, and the love will eventually fizzle out. You love them based on what they can offer you, not for simply being who they are. That’s the difference.

TonyeBarcanista:
No romantic love is unconditional, yet it doesn't mean it isn't love. All romantic love is conditional.

However, if certain things befall a partner like accident, amputation, illness etc love requires we stand firm BUT when a woman has no vagina (she's not a woman BTW), sickly or handicapped from the onset, the man has the choice to commit or not to commit as long as she opens up to him from the onset else it becomes deception on her part.

BUT

When a woman engage in illicit conduct or misbehavior, dumping her becomes necessary and it doesn't invalidate the love that once existed.

If love is conditional it’s not true love. Period!!!!! No if buts or maybes.