pendo89:
IT SHALL BE WELL.I CONGRATULATE THE KENYAN PEOPLE FOR THE SUPPORT THEY HAVE SHOWN TOWARDS THE VICTIMS.
CONGRATS TO THE SECURITY FORCES ,SO MANY WOULD HAVE PERISHED HAD THEY NOT STEPPED IN ON TIME,THEY ARE STILL ON SCENE.
59 DEAD,MANY INJURED, THE TERRORISTS ARE NOW CORNERED,
SHAME ON THEM WE WILL NOT BE COWED BY ISLAMIC TERRORISTS,KENYA GROWS STRONGER WITH EACH ATTACK.

Babes, it took the security forces 20 MINUTES to get there.

This is not in the desert or in the safari. This in the middle of the capital. In a country on terrorism red alert.

That is pathetic!

But my criticism by some is just using your mouth drive motor.

Happywoman:
Did I hit home?
Well if it stings u too much, run to Westgate now , and show those guys who the erudite hostage expert u claim u really are.
that's the only way I will beleive u are really vexed.



Kenyan People Stand Resolute!

No, you did not hit home.

You just did not make sense.

You ask me a question thinking I would get stuck but when I used just pure common sense to tell you what should happen next, you came up with you beer parlour arguments.

Now can you hit home with something that meets the threshold of sensible?

Beey: I get what you mean,but perfection in such a situation is hard to attain when there are a million thoughts running through one's mind.The fact that he put his life at risk is more important than what he should have done & didn't do or what he wasn't supposed to do & he did.The fact that he went in to save lives is much more important,the rest are secondary.

Correction: this is not about perfection. This is about being good.

Good training gets your brain to handle the million thoughts in your mind. This why it shows these people are not trained.

He put is life at risk is good, but it takes just a little sense and hardly no extra cost to be a million times better.

Such failure to be a million times better is repeatedly exemplified by Africa operators.

No wonder all Nigerian airways ALWAYS fail!

GH PATRIOT:

How do you want the Kenyans to handle it? What is the difference between kenya's method and the Indian(india is not an African country) method?
This is not Hollywood where the chief negotiator volunteers to sit with the terrorists and negotiate demands.
These guys(al-shabab) do not intend coming out alive.

I don't know how Indians handled theirs.

But what is your point?

If Indians are hopeless it justifies Africans to be hopeless?

Happywoman:
Ok we have heard ur point loud and clear encyclopediaSagamitica ? The situation is live and going on as we type .
Pray sir, what is your suggestion on the way forward?
We can't start training the Kenyan Force now using your curriculum .That will be next semesters pre-requisite course for them.
so for the NOW proffer a solution from your arsenal of knowledge or forever hold your peace.

Kenyans Stay Strong!

I am not a security expert.

But my common sense would tell me that (and I am writing this inchoately):

- First get a master plan of the building.
- Sweep it room by room, floor by floor and even all the ventilation systems to see if there is anyone hiding there or injured to rescue. And to find where the terrorists are.
- Once you know the locations in the building the terrorists are, secure it and cordon it with your armed officers without engaging in a fight.
- Then start negotiating but be ready to go in if you hear one shot.
- Negotiators can possibly help you get at least any kid hostage out.

Jakumo:

Since your sense of humor is intact, SagamiteMAN, I will withdraw the petition about you that I have already submitted to my Babalawo.

Ergbe!

Stand corrected. Nothing to be ashamed about it, instead of trying to disparage. There is nothing wrong with being corrected sometimes.

papi365: Y are u blaming them? which afro country is developmed?

Well, it is not rocket science to be developed in these simple security tactics.

But saying that is apparently mere "pontification".

Beey: The Somali guy in the pictures,he's Abdul Hajji the son of former Kenya's defense minister Yussuf Hajji He's said to have saved many lives in yesterday's attack at the westgate mall.

Good for him.

Brilliant he is quite brave.

I don't know if this makes him a civilian or a security official.

But if he is a security official, I would expect him to have been provided with an identification like a police vest or badge in his car. It costs peanuts.

If I was the Prof from Ghana that died or a tourist from France, I would not know which Minister's son he is. All he looks like is Al-Shabaab with a gun and I might be tempted to run from him and meet the real Al-Shabaab in my fright.

If he is a security official, I would expect him to put his gun in a set and ready position and move carefully to the cover of the toddler and her family and escort them to full safety. Not tell the toddler to take a dash like if she is the main character of "Rambo 7: the young ones" and risk getting shot.

But, I apologise, that is just my pontification.

emmatok:

My Brother terrorists have full knowledge of their environment.

They know how to attack the US and developed countries, inflicting heavy damages.

The last time they attacked Russia, the Russians went in and kill both Terrorists and hostages.

If they try this on Israelis, the whole of Gaza and Westbank will be paying for it.

But they attacking Kenya because they know how the Kenyans will react.
These people were able to kill Nigerian Soldiers because they know the system very well.

It is not easy fighting Terrorist in Africa,even if you're a
President.

I am not blaming them for terrorist attacking them. That is what terrorism normally is: "unexpected".

I am blaming them for their unplanned and unprofessional response.

Apparently such criticism of the repeated sub-standard and failure of how Africans do things is pontification.

But I am happy to be called "Pontiff"!

Africans love to celebrate their mediocrity even when with the same resources employed they could be reasonably good.

Jakumo:

I hereby declare Oga Sagamite the winner of ALL debates past, present and future. Na your eye we dey look.

Cut the crap, mate.

You have no point.

Litmus:
MR I.T.K, Soldiers are trained to point rifles down in such situations just as the Kenyans were doing.

Condolences to the bereaved

Where?

In Idi-Araba training centre or Alaba market?

sweetcheecks:

Geez, man enough now with your analysis from behind a pc. People are dying there and you are busy laughing at their short comings, really? This is starting to irritate the hell out of me.

Where did I laugh at people dying's short-coming?

Are you using your brain?

I laugh at those that are supposedly trained to protect them.

Beey: yes he's of Somali descent but looks like he's working with the law enforcement.I don't think Alshabaab crazies would be divided,saving lives instead of killing as their mission states.Clearly he saved the woman & the baby as seen on the pictures.

I know he is working with law enforcement but how can you tell the difference in an instance?

He did not save anybody. He told them to walk this way.

If there was a terrorist in that area and saw that toddler running and fired, there would be nothing the quack can do.

The height of irresponsibility.

But in Africa, such makes you a STAR!

Jakumo:
Clearly this is a very emotional subject for you Sagamite, and since you feel that your military training, derived from watching Youtube videos, is superior to that of Kenyan special forces, I will resist the temptation to fluster you any further by challenging your dearly-held perceptions about counter-terrorism tactics and firearm protocol.

Take a deep breath, and just let it go, Ogami Sagamite. At least we can agree that the folks still trapped in that hostage situation have way more to worry about than we internet pontificators whose primary concern is making academic points to total strangers.

What I would expect from you is to back-up your argument that they need to raised their arms 90 degrees up with evidence. Not ridicule the evidence I brought you via youtube.

What are you trying to say? You would prefer I merely state it than provide video as evidence?

Don't be ridiculous, my friend. Your argument was not reasoned and did not show evidence of knowledge of security operations.

If you make an assertion and you are corrected. Stand corrected! You aint flustering nobody.

If advocating that Africa has to always try and be the best in everything they do is pontification, please let me be "Ponfiff".

I don't stand for sub-standard. I stand for always trying to be the best you can be within the resources limitation on you. That to you is pontification, to me it is way of life.

If Africa takes that as a way of life, I can guarantee you that the loss of life in these kind of situation would be limited. It costs peanuts to give this training in the current world of free information we live in.

It is a joke you give excuses for a country that is under red-alert not to plan for situations like this.

Africa needs better brains to do better.

Next time if you don't have a point, stand corrected.

I never like to use an alternative account but I would make an exception today because I need to educate.

cap28:

^^^^^

Mutant Chimp - how is that your massive forehead? has it developed a life of its own yet?

i noticed you took that your awful picture down so fast after we crucified you over it - next time you put it up make sure you attach a warning first cos i had some serious nightmares after seeing it

Weyree!!!

Pop you pills.